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Keygen Beats Windows Product Activation

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

February 15, 2002, 1:07 AM

UPDATED "All IP protection technologies will be cracked at some point; it's just a matter of time," Allen Nieman, Product Manager of Activation at Microsoft, told BetaNews in an interview last May. But this week Nieman's concession became a reality as a key generator capable of creating unique, valid installation and activation codes for Windows XP came to light.

While patches and cracks for Windows Product Activation have existed since the release of Windows XP, would-be pirates were forced to physically modify system files and risk invalidating their operating system with updates. If it desired, Microsoft has the ability to instantly void such cracks or leaked keys with service packs or security patches.

The key maker, apparantly released by a group calling themselves "The Blue List," poses a more significant problem to Redmond - discerning legit keys from those generated by ill-intentioned users.

Microsoft has always been quick to point out that pirated copies of Windows are ineligible for technical support and warranty protections. Although if the created keys are indeed genuine, a user running a shared or downloaded copy of Windows will appear no different to Microsoft support personnel than one who purchased a copy in the store.

"The only way Microsoft would know it's a generated serial in this case is if customer service asks for the x0- number on the CD and that is highly unlikely," an informed source told BetaNews.

Most surprising is the relatively little work it takes to compute a valid key. Tests by BetaNews resulted in two keys and twenty-nine failures in just under seven minutes of heavy CPU usage. As the included information states, "not every random cd-key [can] be made valid, so it usually needs more than one try to compute a valid cd-key." Both keys were each able to correctly activate a retail copy of Windows XP in the test lab.

Microsoft said it was currently looking into this particular "potential crack of product keys." A company spokesperson told BetaNews, "As with all of our anti-piracy technologies, Microsoft anticipates that there will be attacks on these technologies and works to ensure a rapid response. Microsoft is committed to taking down any illegal postings of bypass keys or illegal software. It is important to note that Microsoft's Product Activation technology is one of many measures the company is taking to address software piracy. Thwarting software piracy on many levels is not done with a single, silver bullet. Microsoft will continue to improve activation and other intellectual property protection methods over time."

But in the eyes of Microsoft, WPA may have already far exceeded the company's expectations. "The measure of success is not completely stopping software piracy, which is probably an unattainable goal. Success is more likely measured in increased awareness of the terms of the license agreement and increased license compliance," said Nieman last summer. With WPA one of the hottest topics of 2001 and Windows XP out-selling its predecessors, there is no doubt Microsoft has done just that.

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By beiniam

edited Dec 27, 2007 - 12:50 PM

i have windows xp home sp 2 license.how can i activate without connect or phone?please help me .thanks

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By jarrad90

edited Oct 27, 2007 - 9:43 AM

I wouldn't even try to imagine humans having a life if programming a computer helps you move your mouth from who knows where, the point is that there really is no life in the term 'lazy' for humans.

Get a life!.

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By dipiway

edited Sep 1, 2007 - 7:20 PM

i have windows xp pro sp 2 license.how can i activate without connect or phone?please help me .thanks

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By ash_isg

edited Jul 20, 2007 - 3:00 AM

I have a license windowsXPro sp2. how can i activate. does it need another key? where can i get this key?

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By FAIQ FIKRI

posted Apr 5, 2007 - 12:10 AM

I have use the windows service pack 1 but my problems is I have to activate the windows.My computer has not connected to the internet to this activation.Please help me

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By LiL Nismo

edited Mar 7, 2007 - 12:04 PM

Hey, I was just wondering...is there any way that my CD key on cs could get e-mailed to me some how? Reply ASAP please, thank you.

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By joefren

edited Nov 20, 2006 - 10:19 PM

I have a license windowsXPro sp1. how can i activate. does it need another key? where can i get this key? I don't have internet connection or phone.

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By 1Jesus1

posted Mar 22, 2006 - 1:36 PM

is there a way to find out the key on my windows xp office cd i lost my key

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By akinaae86

edited Jul 21, 2005 - 1:00 AM

about the blue list keygen, i tried it but xp sez key is invalid although the program stated that it is valid, btw, my xp is xphome w/ sp2, does that make any difference?

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By Hallaz

posted Aug 30, 2002 - 3:29 AM

By patching WinXP to offer full campatibility with piracy
software like Kazaa and Grokster:

"Windows XP Application Compatibility Update, April 2002

The Windows XP Application Compatibility Update is a package of software updates that help Windows XP users to expand their application compatibility support - or avoid common issues - with certain applications. Microsoft recommends that you download this compatibility update if you are having problems with any of the programs this update is designed to support.

System Requirements

This update applies to Windows XP.

How to use

You don't need to do anything after installing this item.

How to uninstall

Click Start and then click Control Panel.
Click Add or Remove Programs.
Click Windows XP Application Compatibility Update and then click Change/Remove.

This update addresses issues in the following programs (US versions only, unless otherwise noted):
102 Dalmatians Puppies to the Rescue - Disney
Audigy Utilities - Creative Labs
AVIChop - Vasili Papaconstantinou
B-17 Flying Fortress - Microprose
BackWeb Lite Installer - BackWeb
DrEye2001 - Inventec
Emergency Fighters for Life - WizardWorks
FIFA 2002 - EA Sports
Grokster - Grokster, Ltd
Half-Life CounterStrike - Sierra
Hoyle Card Games 5 - Sierra
Humongous Registration Program - Humongous Entertainment
IConfig - SCM Microsystems Inc.
Jamella Diablo II Editor – Jamella (US and Korean versions)
Jekyll and Hyde - DreamCatcher Interactive
KaZaA - Sharman Networks 2002
Midtown Madness - Microsoft
Midtown Madness 2 - Microsoft
Moon Tycoon - Legacy Interactive
MTV TRL Trivia - Take2 Interactive
Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed - Electronic Arts
NHL 2002 - EA Sports
Official Formula 1 Racing - EIDOS
PhotoDeluxe Business Edition 1.0 - Adobe
The Playa - Project Mayo
PrintMaster 4.0 - MindScape
Sasami 2000 – Nuclei (Korean only)
SimMania for Kids: SimTunes - Maxis
SimMania for Kids: Widget Workshop – Maxis
SimMania for Kids: Sim Park - Maxis
TaxCut Deluxe 2001 - Block Financial Software
Triple Play 2002 - EA Sports
Ventura 8: CorelDraw - Corel
Works 2001: Calendar - Microsoft

Note This update rolls up and addresses issues included in the previous Windows XP Application Compatibility Updates and is intended to replace them. The list of programs that were addressed in the previous update can be found in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) Article Q313484, "Windows XP Application Compatibility Update - December 17, 2001."

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If M$ really checks the validity of your s/n before aloowing you to update, then get your downloads from the corporate Windows Update website:

http://v4.windowsupdate....ault.asp?corporate=true

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By lgumbiner

posted Aug 21, 2002 - 6:06 PM

I tried the keygen and it worked for installing Wiindows XP. However, when I tried using it for a Office XP installation, the generated key worked fine during installation, but when I tried to activate Office, I received the message that I had an invalid product id.

Has anyone had the same experience or been successful in using the keygen for Office XP?

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By bingobango

edited Nov 24, 2005 - 3:48 PM

hi,
i have a windows xp oem cd that i installed on my pc. it's without service pack 1 or 2. it's waiting to be activated. i have 13 days to activate. can you give me something to keep it from activating it? or a legit key so that when i call microsoft i can get service pack 2 without any problem? you can email me at
alidabiri@citynet.net

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By suspicious

posted Jan 10, 2004 - 11:45 AM

Hi...i have a big problem whit my registration of XP...I need to register on phone becouse i have a illegal copy,but can i call microsoft and tell them the code that is written in the win XP registration document and then get a key of only numbers and still be safe?or can i download or get a key somewhere els?

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By 50266953

posted Sep 11, 2002 - 7:02 AM

Who know the windows 2000 datacenter server registration code?

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By aqu4ri4n

posted Aug 7, 2002 - 6:53 AM

Ok, after contemplating for months, I have just recently got WinXP(he) for my own use. With the anti-piracy issue nowadays (which was almost non-existant till recent, where I'm at) I'm facing a dilemma. What if, I said IF, my harddrive breaks down, and I have to get a new one (read:brand new), what happens when I try to reinstall WinXP using back the same CD, same serial no, which might I add is authentic, won't the activation process reject the code? Then perhaps again, some other part of the PC gets thrown out, or I might tweak the hardware/system to somewhat extent...then what happens? Am I supposed to go down to the store to get another copy? Hmmm...is the WPA thingy a cover-up to enable more profit-making from consumers, who have no choice but to get altogether a new copy of WinXP whenever installation takes place?

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By cptcobra

posted Aug 7, 2002 - 12:23 PM

no it doesnt really work that way
i have reinstalled xp he on my computer about 8-9 times to date and only 2 times did i have to manually call in
usually they just ask you why you are reinstalling
if it sounds reasonable to them they give you a new code

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By cptcobra

posted Aug 7, 2002 - 3:16 AM

WOULDNT YOU ALSO NEED A KEYGEN TO BYPASS THE ONLINE REGISTRATION AND IS ANYONE WORKING ON THIS PART
MY THINKING IS ANYONE CAN USE A CD KEY THAT IS VALID ON MULTIPLE COMPUTERS

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By suspicious

posted Jan 10, 2004 - 12:40 PM

anyone know how to bypass the registration part in windows XP..my XP has "locked" becausse i havent reg it in 30 days...soo now i dont know how to do..The alternatives is to reg it online but i cant do that..the other is to call microsoft by phone and give them a code that is written and then get a new key back,,a key of only numbers.I have been searchin for keys on the web and kazaa,DC and everything but not find anything else then the usually 25 long letter and number key...what should i do?

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By mrhex

posted Sep 22, 2002 - 8:02 PM

Microsoft might be able to change the algorithm for single install versions of Windows, but those clients that VLKs I think Microsoft is gonna be hard pressed to figure out a simple solution. The reason why I say this is because those who buy VLKs are installing that same key on one machine and so the headache of going through and installing a new VLK(if Microsoft invalidates that VLK) on every machine is just too much for IT staff. I rather doubt Microsoft would make such a drastic move. Unless Microsoft comes up with a very novel approach to invalidating VLKs quickly enough then they are not going to stop people from pirating their software anytime soon. If you have a keygen and are able to bust out a new one every few minutes and it takes Microsoft months to "gather up" all of the supposed "pirate" VLKs then the pirates obviously have the numbers on their side. Yes they can go around and try to stop people from pirating the software, but I think I have to agree that the corporate volume key generators are gonna be the biggest threat to Microsoft.

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By lep911

posted Apr 1, 2002 - 11:29 PM

Anyone know if this little program will create keys for the .Net server?

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By ranmachan

posted Jul 7, 2002 - 7:14 PM

nope...the keygen is useless...read on...this info was released on Wednesday, July 03 @ 10:35:39

MS has changed the KEY algorithm because of piracy (XPkeygen)
Read this, form MS intranet:
"New Product Keys are required for all Server builds starting with today’s RC1 Lockdown build (build 3639). You must go to http://PKD to request new product keys for the builds that have the new algorithm. Read the below for any questions you may have.
Why is this change necessary?
This is our latest anti-piracy measure designed to render hacker generated product keys useless in Windows.Net
products. With this change, previously issued server beta keys and non-Microsoft generated keys will not be accepted during setup.
What products does this change affect?
All SKUs in the Windows.Net server family will be affected. This includes Webserver, Standard Server, Small Business Server, Enterprise Server, and Datacenter Server. The change also affects all Windows.Net 64-bit products too."

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By pperk

posted Mar 10, 2002 - 2:03 PM

Hey I hate paying for software as much as the next guy, but hey would you go to your job day in and day out for free? I don't care if you like windows Linux Unix Mac OS or what so don't start flaming me with your opinions. I just think if you use it.....pay for it. If you don't like it don't use it. It seems as simple as that. Just wanted to state my OPINION*.

*note I said opinion and not fact.

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By abuvl_98

posted Mar 7, 2002 - 8:07 PM

Does anyone know where or how I can get the keygen from "The Blue List" group?

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By szm80

posted Sep 6, 2002 - 12:23 PM

the bluelist keygen can be downloaded from KaZaA® Media Desktop (a peer 2 peer file sharing program like napster® that can be downloaded from www.KaZaA.com, if you don't have it, get it before it's too late, it'll be worth it) I know it's there. If you dont find it, just keep checking every once in awhile.

~Sean

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By wests

posted Nov 5, 2003 - 10:04 PM

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By BoyBad

posted Apr 25, 2003 - 11:42 AM

Kazaa's where i got my Office XP and code and all addons. :) Whoever made Kazaa should get an award lol

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By Hit_Amok

posted Mar 9, 2002 - 1:41 PM

Well, It went piece of cake for me. I tried 100 keys and it came up with 8 valid keys. Everything took 2 hours. If u want it u can mail me at Hit_Amok@msn.com.
But for testing reasons only!!!

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By km2liiu

posted May 14, 2003 - 12:52 PM

Hi, please send me the KeyGen.
Thank u in advance.
km2liiu

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By katful

posted Aug 7, 2002 - 6:14 AM

I've bought windows xp home edition and installed it on one of my computers I would like to install it on the other one and was told by microsoft I could only put it on one, they told me I would have to buy another program, I would appreciate another number.

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By WEMILL

posted May 18, 2002 - 7:20 PM

I E MAILED YOU FRIDAY ABOUT GETTING THE KEY NO.S FOR XP FOR TESTING REASONS TO SEE IF I CAN GET USE TO XP BEFORE I BUY THANK YOU WALT EMAIL IS WEMILL@M33ACCESS.COM

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By fatpork2

posted Mar 9, 2002 - 7:30 PM

You were able to activate using the key?

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By xylarr

posted Mar 8, 2002 - 7:20 PM

You can try a search on http://www.astalavista.box.sk

However, I'm not sure that it will productive for you. I generated 38 keys (took my computer about 4 hours) with no success @ activation. And as noted below, someone else tried 60 keys. Apparently, Microsoft has circumvented it somehow.

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By rcchong

posted Apr 19, 2002 - 9:24 AM

pls provide me a xp keys

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By fatpork2

posted Mar 7, 2002 - 2:52 PM

I've tried about 20 different keys now trying to activate windows xp pro now. I'm runnng off a legit copy, I just didn't really want to use the key that they gave me. I got it to work for office xp(also legit copy). But none of the keys I use for windows have worked. Did they block it or something? Or do you have to reinstall xp untill you get a key that works? I've just been changing it in the activation program, where you can change the key you're using in the activate by telephone.

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By nicodeimus

posted Mar 10, 2002 - 6:05 PM

Why bother with a key generator if you know how to fool
Windows it will supply/generate it's own key. Before I learned this trick I made up my own keys using the same basic format as the key I already possessed and lo and behold it worked 3 out 5 times.

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By nickrage

posted Aug 18, 2002 - 6:43 PM

Please send more info on what you did. Thanx!

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By fatpork2

posted Mar 7, 2002 - 2:54 PM

Sorry, did I say 20 keys? I meant I've tried about 60 keys. Which took my computer 35 hours to come up with!

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By chris_kabuki

posted Mar 7, 2002 - 5:43 PM

I'm sorry I'm having trouble understanding this.... You claim to have a perfectly legitimate copy of Windows XP Pro with a legitimate key.... But you don't want to use it because you want to generate your own?

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By fatpork2

posted Mar 7, 2002 - 7:25 PM

I'm running on a old crappy laptop, and I plan on buying a new computer soon, so I don't want to use my legit key and be stuck with no os for the new computer.

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By azazel-

posted Feb 28, 2002 - 7:11 PM

You know...what boggles my mind, is at what point did the OS a person uses really become that great of an issue? Why (and when) did this insane emotional attachment to something essentially intangible first rear it's head? I've sat here and read 200+ comments from essentially the same people, saying the same things..."Linux is better...no, Windows is, blah blah blah". Here's a novel concept; use whatever you want, and stop degrading each other for their choice. If I went through a text of this, and replaced every instance of Windows with Ford and Linux with Chevy, it would sound like an conversation overheard at a hillbilly redneck picnic. ;)

But hey...you guys keep on spending time argueing...I'll be doing something *fun* with my system...whatever OS it's running. ;)

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By sensoo

posted Jul 21, 2002 - 8:02 PM

well, first off, this thread is for pirating xp (you can get the keygen easily off of kazaa, mirc, etc.). so it really isn't a mac, linux, windows war so go post this somewhere else. and second if your post did belong here, you would need the analogy of us boosting different makes of cars and not arguing about which is better, but we're not here to steal mac os or that lovely free linux (I pity the fool who jacks linux) so again, post this somwhere else.

I've seen mac os 7-10 in the works, a few distro's of linux, and windows 3.1-XP, so what have I concluded? if you want easy to use and less hassles, you get a mac. if you want more software availability and compatability, you go with windows. if you want to save money and take the time to learn a new, but very powerful and supported OS, go with linux. for the average user, it's that simple. even though I don't use it yet, linux is the 1337357 of all :) Linux is the greatest looking OS without sacrifising too many resources, period!

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By pperk

posted Mar 10, 2002 - 2:15 PM

Preach on brother!!!!!!!

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By gaida

posted Feb 26, 2002 - 10:48 PM

As i have a MSc in Computer Science from a respectable London Univercity(London,England for all of you that dont have a clue where this is),i have studyed Operating System courses and software courses(In partucular High Integrity Software).

1)Windows Is NOT a OS.Its a Poor attempt.Read Any book on the fundamentals of OS's and you will realise that there is a lot wrong with Windows.As a programmer i have stopped programming in/for Windows.Its just not worth it and you always end up with a crap program.

2)High Integrity Software is about writing Programs that almost Never Fail(hence software to control AirPlanes,heart implants,military applications etc.)
A lot of it does not depend on the programmers,but on the Managment.No programer is good at everything.Its about Programing standarts and the right step taken by the management team.Its about knowing how the advantages and dissadvantages of the programming languages.So don't go and blame MS for the bugs in their software.Do you know how many people are involved in Windows,and where they live?Do you think there can be good comunication between programes over e-mail?One in USA the other in India and others in Austalia.I have been involved in several major projects that requre a communication between team in different countries.The Language barrier is another issue here,but it is a big one.Just click on the about screen of your IE to realise how many different version they have.
I am not saying that progs for linux are better,they are generally worse,as they are written by inexperienced self-educated people that dont have an idea what programing really is and dont have the necessary hardware knowledge.
Simply you can not write a program and not understand how memmory works and how it is implemented on the platform.
In all my experience i have only found a few programs that are nearly perfect(one is Qmail.)
Software is measured by Rate Of Failuare,Bugs per hours of programing time and so on.
So what i am trying to say is that programmers are not to blame,its usually the managment that is to be shot.

I personally use linux for work and Win XP for pleasure.
I have tweaked the OSes and have no problem with both.
Most of the people complain about bugs,but they have never written a program,and dont realise how hard it is to write one in a team of 5,let alone 20,000.
I never buy software,i think my money is better spend on hardware.Anyway MS has a fair point in charging $200 for a copy of XP.Just imagine the expenses they have.
Just a simple calculation 20000 programers an a $50k a year is 1 billion $.For 20000 programmers you will have at least 500 managers on 75k thats another 375mil $.And add the higher managment of the project and you have about 1.5bil $ just to pay the programers.What about ads?What about posters,stickers and stuff.And they have to make some money as well.There you go its a fair price.
I dont feel XP is any worse then 2k ot 98 or ME.Its just Windows.It will always be the same.

About the linux distributions i feel the best one is SUSE.The latest version is never available for download but its a good OS.It comes on a DVD and 7CDs.Its fully Plug and Pray :).Its dead easy to configure and administrate.Try it out.

On the subject of WPA.Well i bet they got rid of the really Lame "pirats".Its a big hastle for the companies but as i see they havent really rushed out to upgrade.Most of them stick to 2k.

Comming from a poor third-world counrty before comming to the UK, i was one of the 1st people to get a CD Writer.It was a 1x speed one and was very expensive.I had a very good
legal job selling pirated software and games.My country did not have any lows about computers back then :).
Piracy is a very very good form of advertising as well.
About 1% of the people using Windows have pirated copys.
But that 1% are the cream of the computing world.They talk about it to other people and hence advertise.
I dont believe MS i really concerned about piracy.They just try to make more money from the hornest people :).

Nikola Runev
gaida@bitex.com

Please send any comments to my email adress as well.

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By Fragzilla

posted Mar 19, 2002 - 12:23 PM

Okay. I have been reading everything that has been ranted out here. It seems to me that all we really have is a difference of opinion and that amounts to expressing our God given right of free speech. That brings us to our God given right of fre enterprise. And that in turn brings us to a company (Microsoft) exercising that right in any way shape or form they see fit. Having said all that, I agree with some other posts, don't like it? don't buy it? If you hate Windows so much why in the world are all of you looking for that dang crack??? Because you know it is the most versatile OS for what you want to do...AND...because you probably (you=Joe Average) don't have any idea how to use Linux or BE...AND yet again...you know that there is now Linux version of Half-Life's Counter Strike mod or whatever flavor of game.
In closing let me say Thank God and the men who died to preserve them, for our RIGHTS!

www.staticfree.net/clanzilla

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By instanto

posted Mar 1, 2002 - 9:43 AM

How about you learning how to spell before you flag your "univerSITY" degree?

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By quokka

posted Mar 4, 2002 - 9:23 PM

And I bet you spell colour without the 'u'. You try writing in Thai or Hindu and then we can all have a laugh at your expense.

Good post above in general. I think to save pirating software in 3rd world countries Microsoft should do what the Drug companies are being forced to do and that is sell it very very cheeply in those countries.

Consider that in 1998 the USA spent $1 billion pursuing the death penalty, and put 2 people to death. This could wipe out poverty in a couple of 3rd world countries. Further the USA spent $50 billion fighting drugs. Why not invest in rehabilitation, prevention and education? (Thanks to Bill Bryson for the statistics).

Still, all this software piracy will help keep the 800,000 laywers in the USA employed, along with everyone sueing each other for severe mental distress because their neighbour (with a 'u') greeted them kindly one morning.

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By quokka

posted Mar 4, 2002 - 9:22 PM

And I bet you spell colour without the 'u'. You try writing in Thai or Hindu and then we can all have a laugh at your expense.

Good post above in general. I think to save pirating software in 3rd world countries Microsoft should do what the Drug companies are being forced to do and that is sell it very very cheeply in those countries.

Consider that in 1998 the USA spent $1 billion pursuing the death penalty, and put 2 people to death. This could wipe out poverty in a couple of 3rd world countries. Further the USA spent $50 billion fighting drugs. Why not invest in rehabilitation, prevention and education? (Thanks to Bill Bryson for the statistics).

Still, all this software piracy will help keep the 800,000 laywers in the USA employed, along with everyone sueing each other for severe mental distress because their neighbour (with a 'u') greeted them kindly one morning.

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By fewt

posted Mar 1, 2002 - 10:14 AM

Another high school mentality post huh? He isn't a native american, if you read his post you'd conclude that English isn't his first language.

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By instanto

posted Mar 5, 2002 - 12:31 PM

Is it mine?

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By chris_kabuki

posted Feb 28, 2002 - 6:24 PM

Ok, I was about to say something about your respectable university given your spelling (i.e. 'univercity') but then I read on so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English is not your first language.

"Windows Is NOT a OS. Read Any book on the fundamentals of OS's ..."
Re-read that book, Windows is an OS, DOS is not (which is what you migth be thinking of).

"Its just not worth it and you always end up with a crap program."
A program will only ever be as good as the programmer writing it. Saying you can write 'better' programs based on the OS you use is bulls***. There may be better/worse toolkits, api's etc but at the end of the day, the OS does not determine wether or not your program is crap. (Unless of course you write you program in VB in which case it will always turn out to be crap).

"So what i am trying to say is that programmers are not to blame,its usually the managment that is to be shot."
I have to disagree, it's the whole software process that is to blame. If there is a bug in your program and it's not found it's due to the fact you didn't test enough, or audit enough etc etc.

"I never buy software,i think my money is better spend on hardware"
So you're a theif. Good stuff.

"I had a very good legal job selling pirated software and games."
I'm having difficulty with this one... How is it that your job of selling pirated software was legal? Is that like having a good legal job selling drugs to children?

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By wendor

posted Mar 2, 2002 - 2:09 PM

I agree with all your comments chris except the last one.

I believe that what he meant was that "at the time he was doing it", "in the country he was doing it" there were no laws against selling pirated software. So what he was doing was legal in that country.

It however, does not change the fact the he was in violation of US law and is subject to arrest if he enters the US. The US could also pursue extradition if he is in an extradition country (such as the UK) provided that they have enough evidence to convince that country that extradition is warranted.

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By ixxologic

posted Feb 24, 2002 - 9:24 AM

man.. as long as companies sell overprized incomplete buggy software with lots of f*king annoying protections in them i say.: GO PIRATES!!.. For business you OFCOURSE you should buy!!!!!.. but 200++++$ for WindowsXP for a home user that doesnt WANT to run the crappy HOME edition is too f*king much!

As long as its just used on my private machine..not used for business or anything and just for my personal enjoyment there is no way in HELL id ever give ANY company that much money.. the hardware alone is expensive enough.. even tho it IS true that u get a LOT of hw for your money today.. the software that requires even FASTER hardware totally kills that argument..

GO Pirates GO Pirates GO Pirates..

If anyone is a hippocrit here its the f*king softwarecompanies with their overprices buggy crappy software and complete a** support..etc..!

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By jamwheat

posted Feb 25, 2002 - 10:10 AM

If you can't/won't afford the software, you don't need the hardware. So stop you crying about "having to spend money". Download Linux, and get support on that if you are so cheap.

James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com

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By fewt

posted Feb 25, 2002 - 10:59 AM

Absolutely, I have no problems answering technical linux questions over ICQ for anyone who asks. I charge the insanely low price of $0.00

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By jamwheat

posted Feb 25, 2002 - 6:23 PM

Fewt, you are still ripping people off! LOL!! (no matter what the price, it will always be "to high" to some people)

James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com

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By wendor

posted Feb 24, 2002 - 1:53 PM

Please not that we aren't calling YOU a hyppocrite.

We're stating flat out that you are a thief and are beneath contempt.

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By jedivader7

posted Feb 19, 2002 - 8:14 PM

Well, it was bound to happen some day. My freinds all have XP, and none of them are legit. I stay with my LEGIT copy of 98 until they fix XP for good. There is no way they could fix this, and i hope they understand this. They need to get sneaky and put verification stuff (other than a number) on the cd cases. When poeple active it, they would have to enter keywords, or better yet, make them say the keywords over the phone. At least make it really really hard for them to crack. Make it as difficult and time consuming as possible, so more people will be less inclined to do it! Im just 16, but it seems to me that i know more than these "smart guys". You want folks like my freinds to stop, make it really really really hard. Make it so only the pros can crack it. Thats the way to do it.

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By mintman526

posted Feb 24, 2002 - 2:11 PM

If Microsoft is still making money from you using their pirated software is it still considered stealing?

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By wendor

posted Feb 26, 2002 - 6:53 PM

Yes.

If you pirated the software int he first place then you are a thief. Plain and simple. Doesn;t matter "how" you are using it.

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By bingo101

posted Nov 3, 2002 - 1:53 PM

Thieves stealing from thieves. Is this really theft?
I don't think so.

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By chris_kabuki

posted Feb 19, 2002 - 9:56 PM

Are you really 16? Or do you just not have a clue into what goes into cracking copy protections. Keywords, even saying them over the phone do not necessarily make something any harder to crack.

"Make it as difficult and time consuming as possible, so more people will be less inclined to do it!"
If they do this then they will also cause themselves harm due to consumer complaints. The impossible task is to try and make the protection as difficult to bypass as possible whilst at the same time making it quick and painless for the consumer.

"Make it so only the pros can crack it."
How would this help? The 'pros' that cracked it would release the crack to everyone and your friends would still be running pirated versions.

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By QUiK_SAnD

posted Feb 19, 2002 - 4:16 AM

Speaking from my professional persona as an IT guy for a medium-sized business (approx. 250 users) I do have mixed feelings about WPA. Since I develop some business apps for Windows on the side, I can fully understand Microsoft's desire to protect their intellectual property... and yet at the same time I also know first hand the annoyances that go along with product activation. Activation is quite a hassle, and there is no real cost-effective reasons for getting a corp license to update from NT4 and 2000 since everything we run works perfectly well under those previous versions.

From a personal standpoint, I don't like XP as well and I have yet to see XP show any clearcut advantages over Win2k. I won't compare the merits of Windows vs. any other operating system because nearly all of the arguments are irrelevant or inconsequential to me. Windows will continue to be our operating system until somebody develops better software for what we do on another OS.

Don't get me wrong, there is no great love for MS on my part. Licensing is a headache, BSODs are a fact of life, and for home use I *will* run the same OS and software on as many machines as I feel like (with only one license). I explained this to our local MS rep who replied "as long as you aren't selling it, we don't give a rat's [posterior-end] what you do with the stuff at home."

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By wendor

posted Feb 20, 2002 - 12:02 AM

What an unbelievable hypocrite.

You claim to understand the protection of intellectual propery and then you go on to describe the fact that you are illegally running copies of Microsoft Operating Systems at home.

It's simple. You are a thief and should be treated no differently than a guy who robs a liquor store.

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By bingo101

posted Nov 3, 2002 - 1:56 PM

You mean a guy who robs a drug dealer?

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By pegleg57

posted Feb 20, 2002 - 6:51 PM

Was your hero Bill Gates not also a thief??? Just ask Steve Jobs!!

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By ensidian

posted Mar 4, 2002 - 2:19 PM

Hey pegleg is Steve Jobs your hero? If so then is he not also a thief, just ask Xerox.

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By ensidian

posted Mar 4, 2002 - 2:18 PM

Hey pegleg is Steve Jobs your hero? If so then is he not also a thief, just ask Xerox.

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By wendor

posted Feb 20, 2002 - 11:16 PM

The most ridiculous argument here (which you seem to be supporting) is that it's OK to steal from someone as long as you claim that at some point they stole something from someone else.

Whether Microsoft stole anything from Apple is irrelevant.

Stealing from Microsoft is still a crime and I say he should go to jail.

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By jarrad90

edited Oct 27, 2007 - 8:27 AM

I ask for reasonable arguments in this microsoft stealing, that stealing software is not like stealing money from a bank, money is paper.

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By maddogskip

posted Mar 4, 2002 - 1:17 PM

Dude... Does your soapbox have a Microsoft logo on it or something? Are you telling me that you are so perfect and have not overextended your evaluation period or anything else? Geese, Give me a break.

In this land of beaurocrats, rules/laws (that the rich can break if their savings is sufficient), where does a person draw the line. Robbing drug stores, selling drugs to kids, whatever you want to compare it to (btw.. give me a break). Who cares if someone has one license at home on multiple pc's. I think that Microsoft has overstepped their bounds in several areas and only the power of our actions will help Microsoft understand that they are not pleasing the majority all the time.

BTW. I didn't use a Microsoft Spell Checker.

Now, please, back on your soapbox and do some good this time.

I know, I know. Now that I have said this I am as bad as a world terrorist and below contempt.

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By docoverclock

posted Feb 21, 2002 - 12:14 AM

He should go to jail.....

What a crock you loser.

The activation key is a violation of peoples privicy and their right to use the OS on any system they own at home.

Bill Gates has been and will continue being a theif if anyone he should go to jail.

Since you seem to worship his company maybe you could join him loser.

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By jarrad90

posted Oct 27, 2007 - 8:53 AM

You spelt theif wrong it's thief slow learner

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By jamwheat

posted Feb 21, 2002 - 12:49 AM

docoverclock posted "The activation key is a violation of peoples privicy and their right to use the OS on any system they own at home"

Ok, the activation key is NOT a violation of "peoples privacy". Second, most EVERY piece of software you buy has in the EULA that "this product can only be installed and/or used on one machine". This means ONLY ONE system at a time can have that specific software on it, otherwise, you buy more licenses.
Besides, I would like to know where this "right to use the OS on any system they own" comes from. Driving is not a right, having a computer is not a right, owning software is not a right.
Your opinions of Bill Gates are yours and yours alone. If you want him in jail, PROVE where he has stollen anything, and have him prosecuted for it. Otherwise, it only makes you sound stupid.

James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com

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By RhoXS

posted Mar 17, 2002 - 11:50 PM

If I purchase a legitamate copy of any software, I expect to be able to use it, as I please, in my own home. I agree that it is improper to sell or give the product to others. However, it is ridiculous to expect me to buy four copies of Windows XP for my wife and I. We each have a desktop and a laptop and none are used for business purposes. I also strongly believe that individual users and businesses must each be held to different standards.

I also am unable to buy into the concept that I am only buying the right to use the software. Bull S...! I defy anyone to tell me that I do not own the box and its contents I have in my hand that I just spent over $100.00 for when I walk out of Comp-USA.

I will respect and even read the EULAs when they become reasonable. Imagine coming home with a new software package and telling your your wife or kid they they cannot use it and must buy their own. Get real!

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By mrastudent

posted Feb 19, 2002 - 8:37 PM

"BSODs are a fact of life"

This is either because you A) Run Win9x or B) Run a VIA or some other craptacular chipset

No offense intended towards you, just pointing out that 2k/XP only bluescreen if you have some shotty drivers

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By jamwheat

posted Feb 20, 2002 - 9:40 AM

MrStudent (no "A" for you this time)

you claim that BSODs are because of VIA chipset motherboards?!? All motherboards I use and sell are VIA chipset motherboards (using AMD CPUs). I have YET to see a BSOD that is due to VIA chipset, unless it is from me "playing" to much with unstable beta drivers. Maybe you need to take some time and do some research- VIA has been a very staunch supporter of AMD, and Intel has been trying everything it can to force them out of business, like trying to force OEMs to stop using VIA chipset boards, because "they use stolen technology" and crap like that.
Head over to Tom's Hardware Guide (www.tomshardware.com) and check it out for yourself.

James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com

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By chrismarts

posted Feb 21, 2002 - 12:15 AM

Whoah whoah whoah - VIA chipsets are well-known for causing all kinds of problems that often result in BSOD's. Some products even come with documentation indicating they will not work with certain VIA chipset revisions (e.g. some HP printers when used with a USB interface).

This is not to say other chipsets are flawless, but VIA chipsets have had more than their fair share of glitches. It may be better now but around the time Windows 2000 was released, there were all kinds of issues.

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By revvved1

posted Feb 22, 2002 - 4:34 PM

As for warnings about hp printers? Ive done tech support for hp for over 2 years and never seen a warning about our printers and via chipsets. Personally I would rather install one on a via chipset. At least I know with via chipsets I can find drivers to fix any issues, AND those drivers work... lets see.. 82371 ab/eb - stable - excellent, intel 82801aa - heh... works half the time. ab - same.. intel 82801 ba/bam - now theres a pain in the arse.. Half the time if you have this with a laptop, usb wont work properly without a powered hub because of its power issues... my views may be more centered on the usb sides of the chipsets, but at least via patches theirs and doesn't make their customers shell out extra money for a hub or such because they cant design a real chipset...

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By jamwheat

posted Feb 21, 2002 - 12:52 AM

I was commenting about the "here and now", as that is what MrStudent seemed to be doing. I have been using Biostar motherboards for around a year and a half now pretty much exclusive in basic builds (others have ordered other boards, which is the way I do things), and have not had any problems with them. That is what I based my post on.

James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com

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By fatpork2

posted Feb 18, 2002 - 7:02 PM

All I can say is, Yay. I can finally buy a legit copy of windows xp pro from my school for $20 bucks. Seriously though, who would pay 200 bucks for a piece of software that needs to be replaced in just a couple of years. Oh wait, isn't that how much my sound card that I just bought cost? hmmm, oh well.

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By fewt

posted Feb 18, 2002 - 8:41 PM

"who would pay 200 bucks for a piece of software that needs to be replaced in just a couple of years."

No one that understands TCO.

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By NTUSER

posted Feb 22, 2002 - 1:03 PM

Huh?

While software costs are a small factor of TCO its hardly a significant factor. Most definitions of TCO clearly state that TCO can be 3 to 4 times the actual cost of a PC of which the OS is a fraction of that cost.

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By fewt

posted Feb 22, 2002 - 2:30 PM

Until you start looking at large environments. Sure, in a 4 man shop TCO shift to man hours. Look at 140,000 PC's then tell me O/S cost isn't a significant cost.

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By NTUSER

posted Feb 25, 2002 - 5:01 PM

Huh?

While software costs are a small factor of TCO its hardly a significant factor. Most definitions of TCO clearly state that TCO can be 3 to 4 times the actual cost of a PC of which the OS is a fraction of that cost.

If the TCO is $10,000/yr for a machine and the OS is $100/yr that seems to me a small cost relating to TCO. In an environment where you're TCO is $1,400,000,000 and your OS costs are 14,000,000/yr I come to the same conclusion.

Compound this with the fact that NOONE in any environment where there are anywhere near 140,000 computers pays full retail price for OS's, and I don't see your logic.

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By wendor

posted Feb 26, 2002 - 6:59 PM

You've never calculated TCO for a large organization have you?

Even with Enterprise Agreements and steep discounts, software and hardware costs scale pretty lineraly as the number of machine sincreases.

Manpower, training, and othe TCO factors do not scale linearly at all.

So as the number of machines increases (and becomes very large) the percentage of TCO accounted for by OS/software cost increases.

(Yes, I'm agreeing with fewt.....just get over it)

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By NTUSER

posted Feb 26, 2002 - 11:41 PM

You've never gotten a very good deal on software for your organization have you? I'm not paying anywhere near $200 for an OS or for an office suite for that matter.

Explain to me how if it costs $200 for me to buy an OS off the shelf (1 computer) and it costs less than $25/seat (20,000 computers) for an enterprise how that is linear?

BTW, I have no problem with you agreeing with fewt ;-), get over it.

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By CypherDCW

posted Feb 16, 2002 - 1:13 PM

I myself woundlt pay for XP or any other M$ OS for that fact. I mean they put the WPA in XP to stop pirating their new software, I knew from the start that it would never stop pirating, it basically made people try harder to get around it. And the other reason I wont buy MS OS's us cause their too buggy (except 98SE) cause MS releaes a new OS like every year which is STUPID cause think about it, companies pay people to train their exployees and then 6 months down they road they have to do it all over again. The only MS OS id buy is 2K Pro and just stick with it, download the patches and all that other crap instead of upgrading OS's every year.

And MS needs to watch out for their beta testers and s***, I got my copy of XP 2 or 3 months before it was released in stores, that shows that MS dont really give a damn about what happens. The company I run everything it ram on Unix, stable as hell and had 7 months uptime, Ive never seen a Win OS hit 7 months.

Thats just my reaons why I wont buy MS OS's

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By ditoa

posted Feb 19, 2002 - 11:18 AM

Yes Microsoft release differet versions of Windows pretty much every 1 or 2 years and yes it is a pain for companies but it is called "computer evolution", the OS gets better with each release (even with windows me!!), they become more user friendly, easier to use, more powerful, use less power and are stronger. However what about Linux? there is a different version released every time i go to mandrake.com or rednat.com 8.1 then 3 months laters 8.2!!

As for money, linux users pay for things, it doesnt look like it because Linux (normally) installs with loads of free software also. The os isnt always free (you can buy it if you dont want to download it)

not much has changed with Windows over the years, a windows 95 user can use windows 2000 perfectly (for normal use not admin etc)

And as for Windows 98SE being the most stable OS haha yeah whatever! Windows 2000 is easily the most stable, and my Windows 2000 Server has been up for 332 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes and 34 seconds... now!

Just a little over 7 months ;)

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By klannviper

posted Jun 23, 2003 - 4:31 PM

Lets face it everyone, there is a war out there amongst people and the O.S. they prefer. For One. I dont care what operating system you have. Any Operating System out there will work? Now here comes the point where hardware plays an important role. I have seen some really crappy/cheap hardware its always causing problem, but I have also seen where some high quality components cause some problems. The best thing you can do to decide whether or not to USE Windows, Unix/Linux, MAC, or what else is out there is what you have had luck with. Hardware is only warranteed to work, not guaranteed. Once you buy it, you take that risk if its going to work, if all parts have not been broken or missing. If they are you take it back and exchange for the same thing or get something better.

I do technical support for Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/XPH and XPP. I have seen almost everything. I am going to say that any O.S. that is out there will run stable. It all depends on the hardware and the software/utilities you prefer. I dont use any Antivirus or Firewall software. I think its crap. Always a problem when you install updates either Windows or Driver/Software updates. Now either you prefer to use that software/utilities is up to you. But remember one thing, software is designed around an operating system. The operating system cannot be designed around software. There is an unbelievable amount of software out there. If you have a problem dont just necessarily says its a problem with Windows or whatever O.S. you have. It can be anything. All it needs is a little bit of trobleshooting to find out what is going on. Once you find it you either decide to keep it or get rid or it. You can also do a FFR (Fdisk, Format, and Reinstall) to determine if its a Windows Issue or software. Best thing to do is do the FFR and then install only that one software or hardware out there. Do not install anything else unless you feel like its satisfactory. Please lets not do a bash on what is better and whats not.

Jay Hamilton
Microsoft Technical Support 95/98/98SE/ME/XPH/XPP

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By rpcraft

posted May 5, 2002 - 5:38 AM

I almost beleived some of this until somoene said Windows ME gag

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By pctechsltd

posted Feb 21, 2002 - 1:59 AM

7 months uptime? My office at has a windows 95 OSR 2.5 box that hasn't been updated since it was first set up on our network for database backups.. a little over 4 years ago.

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By goshy

posted Feb 18, 2002 - 7:47 PM

i don't see why people say they'll "never buy xp". Probably everyone posting here is using windows - no? If not your probably a slashdot reject that spends weekends writing code for your linux box.

I installed linux 3 days ago to try it. The setup wasn't too bad, however once in linux it was awful. I couldn't get the modem to work, no sound. And the browser - kde - man what a piece of crapware. Took me 30 mins to figure out how to browse drive letters. Now tell me again why linux is so superior to windows? SUre if i was running a web server linux would get a good look, but for everyday use linux gets a big F.

One thing i noticed though in my linux experience, is that linux is just as advanced as windows 3.1. Seriously, go to computing.net and go to the win3.1 forums. You'll see questions like "how do i use a winmodem", "how do i network", things like that. These are the exact same issues on linux. So i have to ask again why is linux so great? Last i looked only .04% people use it.

-gosh

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