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Microsoft P2P Not All Fun and Games Yet

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

February 27, 2003, 10:40 PM

With this week's unveiling of threedegrees for MSN Messenger and the Windows XP Peer-to-Peer Update, users got a taste of Microsoft's plans in the P2P space. But the experience quickly turned sour for many who were left with broken Internet connectivity or an inability to reach certain Web sites including those of AOL and retailer NewEgg.com.

Developed by Microsoft's NetGen group that was first established almost three years ago, threedegrees virtually connects people so -- as Microsoft puts it -- "they can do fun things together." The idea is to enable social interaction within a group of friends or family by extending standard instant messaging with music, group chats, digital photos and personal desktop animations that Microsoft calls "winks."

In order to bypass the myriad of issues caused by consumer firewalls and routers prohibiting peer-to-peer connectivity, Microsoft looked to IPv6. The company released this week in beta form a Peer-to-Peer Update that upgrades Windows XP to the next generation IPv6 network stack. The update also installs NAT traversal technology, dubbed "Teredo," enabling threedegrees to work in a shared network environment.

Microsoft is pushing the new technology with the Windows XP Peer-to-Peer Software Development Kit, announced alongside the update and threedegrees.

The SDK "will enable developers to create applications that will allow end users to communicate and/or collaborate in real time in ways they have not been able to before," a Microsoft spokesperson told BetaNews. "For businesses, this will result in a new dimension of functionality with reduced deployment requirements. And for users, it not only means exciting new applications, but also being able to use existing applications in ways that have not been possible before."

However, a flood of problem reports following the release of threedegrees and the Windows XP Peer-to-Peer Update emphasized the pre-release nature of the software.

Incompatibilities with virus scanners such as McAfee VirusScan left a handful of early adopters without functioning Internet, even after threedegrees was uninstalled. NetGen representatives narrowed down the problem to certain third party software and said Microsoft was following up with McAfee on the issue.

A more widespread issue stemming from non-standard DNS servers caused numerous problems for many who installed the Peer-to-Peer update. Users found themselves without access to their favorite Web sites, questioning the intentions of Redmond.

But NetGen team members found the culprit and said they were investigating a possible workaround. "The current issue with resolving certain domains is due to a flaw in the implementation of the dns server running on that domain having to do with DNS query types for AAAA records," wrote a Microsoft employee by the name of Tripp on the threedegrees message boards.

"The correct behavior for DNS (RFC 2308) is to reply to a AAAA request with NODATA (which indicates that the name is valid, for the given class, but are no records of the given type) if no IPv6 addresses are available . Certain domains respond to AAAA requests with NXDOMAIN which means No Such Domain Exists, and therefore any IPv6 enabled browser would not be able to resolve their site," said Tripp.

Microsoft plans to release the final version of the Windows XP Peer-to-Peer Update and SDK in the second quarter of this year. In the meantime, the company says it will work to resolve any problems reported in the beta.

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By Hofbrau

posted Mar 1, 2003 - 6:29 PM

The issue with "Winsock Filters" included with many popular applications, including specifically McAfee VirusScan 7.01.6000 (among others) interfering with the P2P/IPV6 update and Three Degrees, was discovered by me, and brought to the attention of the "Three Degrees" folks.

They didnt "narrow down" anything, except multiple posts and bug report forms that i directed at them.

Giving them credit for doing nothing other than confirming my specific findings, is a bit silly.

http://www.threedegrees....howPost.aspx?PostID=393

http://www.threedegrees....howPost.aspx?PostID=226

Notice the "Three Degrees" "koding kid" asking me how i "isolated" the problem to McAfee VS, etc etc.

Please adjust this article to reflect the actual reality of the ocurrence of events - specifically, that i, Hofbrau, discovered the particular issue with programs using "winsock filters", and informed them ("NetGen") of it.

Its called "accuracy in journalism", what little "journalism" there may be in such a medium.

Giving credit to the improper party is beyond acceptable.

Cogitate,
Hofbrau

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By myke

posted Mar 8, 2003 - 6:09 AM

Why not pull your head out of your ass?

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By norky

posted Mar 2, 2003 - 11:35 PM

"Please adjust this article to reflect the actual reality of the ocurrence of events - specifically, that i, Hofbrau, discovered the particular issue with programs using "winsock filters", and informed them ("NetGen") of it."

how does your large head fit on this page? seriously, you sound like a pompous ass.

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By stp

posted Mar 1, 2003 - 6:48 PM

Yah every reporter I know would rather credit "Hofbrau" than Microsoft officials..... Just a hint - a real name is far more credible and may help you get credit in the future.

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By IGx89

posted Feb 28, 2003 - 10:22 AM

Both of those programs are beta! Weird problems are the norm, not the exception, with betas.

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posted Feb 28, 2003 - 11:32 AM

You're right, it's still in beta stage. I'm still surprised that Microsoft is working on a P2P SDK, but in my opinion this is good news for the community.

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By funky303

posted Mar 2, 2003 - 9:26 AM

I don't think M$ will make a P2P prog that could be perfect (like working although ISPs block ports, or firewalls etc) AND allows sharing of stuff...

with Palladium/fritzChips and some DRM you will only be able to share what M$ wants you to share..

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By auioxix

posted Mar 2, 2003 - 2:21 PM

In the last couple years microsoft has tried to do a lot to catch people pirating software. i would not be caught dead using a p2p program from them. knowing everyones luck they would be watching cracked programs of theirs and nailing them all. lol in a way i feel sorry for those people and in another i don't feel sorry.

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By vis666

posted Mar 6, 2003 - 7:18 AM

I really agree with the post above. Micro$oft really puts in an effort of tracking down pirated software and thus thinking a p2p network organised by them wouldn't have any anti-piracy elements implemented would be plain ignorant. The people who will be the "victim" of that network would most likely be the 12 year old kid who just got a computer and would like to download an mp3. Because, hey, isn't mp3 that thing they hear so much about on the media? :(

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