Right you can talk from here till the moon and back again however it's your personal taste and opinion. The message is about the market out there and see the WII is doing very well. It proofs indeed that just the normal consumers not waiting for fancy bla bla stuff but for a fun to play game console... And see the WII it's exactly doing that! What the heck makes it for sence having fantastic graphics I can't imagine your putting your game on a demo play and just watching your wide screens pixel performance... WII did a good job ;-)

20 million of them on ebay, as Wiitards take off them rose tinted glasses, and wonder why on earth they paid for a Gamecube again....

Good one there, Mr. Sony Cheerleader. You seem quite adept at bashing the Xbox360, but now the Wii too? Sony has been, and will be, unable to capture not only first place, but even second place in the next generation console market. So I have this to say, does the phrase "sour grapes" mean anything to you?

Keep going with your Nintento/Microsoft bashing, it's quite amusing. I hope you realize you're not changing anyone's mind. All you're doing is stirring the proverbial excrement and making yourself look silly in the process.

I'm sure all the Wii owners are happy with their purchases, unlike PS3 owners. Why would anyone need to sell their Wii on Ebay? They could just return it to the place of purchase for a refund. I haven't seen a single returned Wii at any store and most places are still sold out. The same cannot be said about the PS3 of course. Everyone has some in stock, nobody's buying, opened boxes everywhere. Sad really.

The PS3 is a dud. Everyone already knows this. Making disparaging remarks about the competition isn't going to change anything.

fuk you

PS3
When the PS3 first came out, I planned on waiting until GTA4 came out and the price drop after blue ray components dropped in price...

But I played MotorStorm & Fight Night round 3 at Best Buy... and that was the breaking point for me.

I drove home had a few drinks to overcome buyers remorse and then returned back to best buy, including the buddy that drove me there and finally got one.

I've been pretty darn happy with those two games so far. The graphics, physics, and details really add up to some amazing gameplay that renewed my faith in consoles which has dwindled since after the original ps1.

There's also motion sensing technology built into the wireless controllers, so the same wii technology is there and Motorstorm takes advantage of it... But after a while the arms start to get a little tired and shaky, so I switch off and on.

I can't wait until Mythic(MythTV) becomes available. Then it will replace my media pc that I use to watch movies on my HD tv off my file server in the basement.

I have about 300+ movies on my file server, so I can queue up movies without ever having to move a single leg muscle... which is nice. But the surround sound system is da bomb when I queue up a weekend party mix with visualizer.

Here's the hardware comparison for those that care. (I certainly do)

The XBox 360:
CPU: 3 cores running at 3.2 GHz each
GPU: Custom ATI @ 500Mhz
Supported Resolution: Up to 720p | 1080i
System Memory: 512MB
Audio: Surround Sound

The Wii
CPU: IBM Broadway 729MHz?
GPU: ATI Hollywood 243MHz
Supported Resolution: Up to 480p
System Memory: 88MB
Audio: analog stereo and dolby pro logic II

The XBox:
CPU: 733 MHz Intel Custom Pentium III
GPU: 250 MHz Custom-Designed NV2X
Supported Resolution: 480p, 720p, 1080i
System Memory: 64MB
Audio: analog stereo, dolby pro logic II, digital stereo, DTS 5.1, Dolby Digital 5.1

The PS3:
CPU: 7 cores (Cell Proc) running at 3.2 GHz each
GPU: Custom Nvidia @ 550Mhz
Supported Resolution: Up to 1080p(zang!)
System Memory: 512MB
Audio: Surround Sound (Digital Optical Audio)

The Wii has a cute form factor with some unique features, but the hardware is 2x game cube but close to equivalent of the original XBox....? hmm...wtf? You're paying $300 for xbox performance with a motion sensor controller?

Anyhow the PS3 has about 2x+ the hardware of the next in line console the 360... and so to me you'd think hmm, twice the hardware twice the cost. Well by that formula it's actually less the twice the cost of a 360. So I knew then that the PS3 and I were destine to be together.

Plus the PS3 will probably be hanging tough for at least 4 years assuming that the xbox 360 doubles it's hardware in 4 years with a new console. In which case the PS3 will prob still womp it, so not much need to spend another $400 in three years.

The PS3 is a hefty roller with its hardware and naturally the kind of cutting edge that sony is pushing comes with a price. Their console technology will last for double the length of time the ps2 hung on for. They can afford to take a loss for a couple years on a console that will technologically last for many years past the competition.

Really brings home some crazy a** honky tonk fun times when you have the PS3 complimented with the HD TV + surround sound.

Once guitar hero comes out... the weekend parties are really going to start blowing womens clothes off(in theory).
Woot!

But that's just my take. I'm not a fan of cutsie rehashes of the same games I played when I was 12... the originals were good... but mario, sup mario world, mario 64, mario sunshine, mario X+1, mario X+2, zzzzZ... common now. Same game, with upped graphics.

The 360 and PS3 are far more equal than your little comparison.

Its not as simple as just comparing specs as you do. They are both very different in how they work.

And I'm glad you are enjoying your 2 games. I've been enjoying my 20+ for the last year+

While I agree with you that Mr. Mario is getting rather dated, it's not so much the character as it is the gameplay of most every game that has the Mario character in it. Some of the most fun I've ever had on any console has been some type of Mario-branded game from Nintendo. Super Mario Bros. 3, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64... hours of endless fun, single- or multi-player.

Most Sony fanboys seem to love to think their console has the ability to open a rift in the space-time continuum with the proper super-secret button press combo. The Wii proves that you don't need a system that's borderline in need of liquid nitrogen cooling to have a great time. Nintendo basically came up with a revolutionary way to control and enjoy yet another slew of fun games. Sure others have tried similar approaches before in the past... but plain and simple, Nintendo is apparently the first to do it right. They're successful once again, and that seems to be pissing quite a few people off.

The Wii is what it is, and doesn't pretend to be something it's not. It's a game console... not a media center, and not a distributed protein folding research platform. I've got all the bad-ass hardware I'll ever need for serious HD graphics, surround sound, and physics simulation... it's called a PC.

"The PS3 is a dud. Everyone already knows this. "

No, people that fall for cheap Internet FUD know this.

Anyone spotted, that in the past much has been made about the PS3's inability to upscale, or it's lack of network media abilities? Funny Betanews have always made a big song and dance about it. However they don't make a song and dance when these things are corrected...

Yesterday an update came out that not only addressed these, they blow these criticisms out the water.

The PS3 is reported by AVS forums to be onpar with $1500 Upscaling Dennon DVD PLayers, and now passes ALL the HQV DVD tests (130/130)..

In addition it does 1080p24, and 720p playback on Blu-Ray for owners of non 1080x TV.

It's currently the best DVD Player, and HiDef player, BAR NONE..

http://forums.highdefdig...showthread.php?p=139655

It's now also got UPnP/DLNA media playback capabilities, a true network media centre.. All this in a .1 incremental update....

Did I also mention, it's got some kick a** game already, and some awesome looking game coming up...

"I've got all the bad-ass hardware I'll ever need for serious HD graphics, surround sound, and physics simulation... it's called a PC."

Good luck with that. Building a computer with equal specs for $600 that includes Blue-ray, suround, a 7 core 3.2 Ghz proc, and etc. The cheapest blueray drive alone is $500. http://www.newegg.com/Pr...blueray&x=0&y=0

Despite all the moaning, Sony is taking a sizable hit with each console. Seems like there's a good bunch of ppl that are quite bitter about Sony moving so quickly with pushing the technological envelope.

Why is it like ppl feel Sony is holding a gun to ppls head to buy the console? I was merely pointing out the specs, you don't like it don't buy it.

I love the hardware, the games I've bought and rented (6+ so far), and the open architecture that Sony enabled (no modding required to open the system up, linux install ready out of the box stock - day 1).

The multimedia center is one direction that you can take the ps3, it's up to you what you want to do with your system. But for me I love to be able to easily extend out my console exponentially.

Some ppl love the cheaper off the wall wii games like "Cooking Mama": http://www.gamespot.com/...gmamacookoff/index.html
If that's what floats ur boat then by all means, get a wii. lol;)

But for me, I don't really dig the graphics of too many wii games. I've seen flash games with equivalent graphics...:(

And I can't wait for GTA4 in october.:)

As far as computational power goes...
360 = 1teraflop
PS3 = 2teraflops

But ultimately it's up to developers to tap into this power. The 360 has been around for a year long so naturally you can expect games will be a bit more mature.

A number of the titles for the ps3 are ports of the xbox 360 version, being the 360 came out first. So that is a likely reason for some similarities in gameplay and visuals.

But I'm sure like previous generation consoles xbox + ps2 give developers a year from the release date and you start to see a higher level of performance & quality of games for both consoles.

I think a year from now with the ps3, you start to see developers becoming more familiar with developing for the ps3's architecture and the differences will be far more note worthy.

Also here's a direct comparison of the Wii vs Xbox
http://www.gameguru.in/f...-a-comparative-analysis/
There's screen shot comparisons on the bottom of the page of games for the original xbox vs wii.

The biggest noticeable diff is the lack of pixel shading and textures on the Wii.

Question is, why would I want to pay exorbitant over-inflated prices for Sony's BD offering, when the 360's HD-DVD drive works like a champ on my HTPC (not that it's the only option, either... other HD-DVD drives still cost half as much)? I love how you automatically assume I have a desire to back BluRay. As it stands right now, more of the movies that I personally like exist as HD-DVD exclusives. Sure, there are a few BluRay exclusive titles that I like as well, but not enough to make me want to sell my first-born to Sony to watch. Games have almost infinitely more replay value than movies, and these are first and foremost game consoles.

As has been stated numerous times already, the specs alone do not determine which console is "better". It still comes down to one thing for a game console... the games. The Wii games so far have been extremely fun to play and keep me coming back, and that's what counts.

The price of my main PC is rather inconsequential compared to what I am able to accomplish with it, which is almost exponentially more than what is able to be done on any console. For my money, the PC will always yield more impressive results than any of the current consoles are able to provide... and no, I couldn't care less about how the PS3 can crank out more work units on Folding@Home.

Your passion against cutting edge tech and folding proteins is apparent. Like I said you don't like the Hardware don't buy it.

No, it's a passion for fun games. Like I said, I've got all the cutting edge I need for now. Most 360 and PS3 games are also available on the PC anyway.

I have nothing against cutting edge. I have everything against Sony's strong-arm tactics. I can't really blame you though for your decision... I would probably have to have a few drinks to buy a PS3, too. :)

indeed

...or, people that fall for tripe from fanboys who try to make people believe what they want them to.

"The verdict? Better results in some formats, and worse results in others."

"The PS3's total HQV score jumped from 38 points with the v1.70 update to 88 points with the v1.80 software, out of a total of 130 possible points."

http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,1895,2136482,00.asp

Bar none?

http://technabob.com/blo...can-the-best-get-better/

http://www.oppodigital.c...81hd/dv981hd_index.html

Raise the bar. From a price / performance standpoint, no other universal DVD player can touch this one (or the previous model). Period.

Granted, Sony's update is truly impressive, and I applaud them for it, for they are really making the machine a force to be reckoned with. Now, how about games for the "all mighty" game console? They're going to have to do better than making PS and PS2 games look better.

im not a wii fan but i like nintendo and more its golden era!! (80's and mid 90's) and even sony helped them (or it was nintendo who helped them to develop the PS1??, cant remember)

I believe it was Sony who helped develop the sound chip for the SNES.

giveng the current trend, factoring in the slowdowns as people get them, thats really not that hard to believe, although these are projected numbers and so mean absolutely zip, it still wouldnt suprise me if they were on or even under target.

2012? Now that's long-range planning.

That is only 5 years away (give or take a few months)...mathematically, about 7 million each year - which is not bad at all.

Wow! 2.5 years away from the year "2010". We are almost in the future already!

I know somebody with a PS3, the only action the poor thing has seen in months, was the fact his brother kicked it and a hinge plastic thingy came off.

The thing was covered in dust at the lan-party it was at. The fact is the Ninten Wii was played for almost 3 and 1/2 hours, and only DDR and the PS2 was played.

We of course played Starcraft near the end of the night, and should add the only reason we needed the ps2 for DDR is their isn't a game like it on the Wii yet.

I'm glad somebody remembered game consoles are supposed to be fun.

finally the nigga of Steve Austin aint here posting sh!t about his "ps3" and sh!t fuk man i hate that motherfuker, fuking hater

Wow, you must really hate that guy. His fanboy rants show his lemmingness, he's just a miserable jagoff with nothing better to do.

I'm just glad I'm not a brainwashed Sony turd.

Some things are just better left unsaid, and this is one of them. You appear to have some serious issues.

Who would have thought an technically inferior console that actually makes money from sales would kick the sh!t out of the 360 and the PS3.

The same goes for the GBA / DS. Those games are actually fun to play, they remind me of the arcade games I grew up with (in the 80's). I still play classic games more than anything else.

Way to go Nintendo.

Wow, "35 Million Wiis Sold in US By 2012"... And Microsoft already sold 40 Million copies of Vista since it had been released earlier this year (Shhhhhh. Mac and PS3/xbox360 fanboys hate numbers)

I completely agree with your comments though - dry humor is just grand!

Yes, but it would be interesting to know for those that own a Wii along with 360 or PS3, just how much use does the Wii get?

I have no doubt its used, but I bet the 360 or PS3 gets more regular usage. I think the Wii is great for when you have groups over. I think I'll get one eventually, I just don't see myself playing it daily.

Same here, Hollywood. I spend more time with emulators (MAME, Nestopia, ZSNES, Kega, CCS64, etc.) than just about anything else. Seems we're about the same age.

Funny that you bring that up, because my co-worker got a Wii for his kids two months ago, and ever since they've not even touched the 360... even let me borrow the 360 so I could goof off on Guitar Hero II and experiment with the Media Center Extender capabilities.

In that time, aside from playing a few GameCube releases for the heck of it, they've played the Wii Sports pack-in game almost non-stop (and haven't even missed the 360 so far, which is fine by me). :)

MAME rocks. I built a side by side c***tail cabinet with Happ buttons, I-PAC, Imperial PS/2 trackball, light up tron style trigger stick, the works. I even put a diagonal four way joystick on the control panel and there are only two games that use it. Qbert and Congo Bongo.

I still play to this day. My wife and I get stuck having a lot of family parties and the MAME cab gets all the attention. XBOX and PS3 sit pretty much untouched.

Even my daughters prefer MAME over the PS2 games. They know all the classics and what arcade games used to be all about. The Wii reminds me of the old days of simpler graphics and fun gameplay. I should probably buy one but I have a feeling the remote will end up inside my big screen, leaving a jagged gaping hole.

hahaha it blocked out c.o.c.k.tail as if that wasnt a real word hahah

i still play my real nes more than i play anything else, although i use emulators when on the road, my collection of nintendo and genesis games rival gamestops collection of games for all systems. and the nes just keeps on chugging, the original model too.

Right on! I've been rough-sketching plans for my upright MAME cab for what seems like forever, but never do anything about it. I do know that next on my list is a custom SlikStik Classic unit with illuminated joystick handles. Not sure if I want to go a little further and get trigger grip for TRON, Afterburner, etc. yet... but spinner (for Tempest and Gyruss) and trackball (Missile Command and Centipede) is a necessity.

The Street Fighter series is going to see some serious playtime again, especially Alpha 3.

You should have put the pinball hardware in there for Q*Bert. I remember that used to scare me when I fell off the pyramid. :)

Yep, seriously good times... fond memories of that console for hours on end with my brother. It's one of the only consoles that I don't have anymore from my childhood, but emulation has reached a point where it's easier for me to deal with.

I may eventually go around to pawn shops and get another one if it's in good shape, for it was definitely representative of that particular time of my life. I take immaculate care of all my consoles that I've had throughout the years (the first-gen Genesis and Sega CD look awesome when I Armor-All it). LOL

I am picking up Guitar Hero II today. :) I gotta see what all the hype is about.

my sega cd died not too long ago. but i still have a 32x:-D

Well, that doesn't surprise me since you say "kids".

I could see the Wii being used more by kids. But I think if someone owned both and is say over 20 or somewhere around there, the 360 or PS3 would see more use.

I know if I owned it, while I would play it, it would not be to the same extent I play my 360.

Sorry... by "they", I meant the whole family, myself included whenever I stop by (and I'm 35). The Wii is just simply refreshing and a joy to experience. But I do understand your point. Personally, I like the versatility of the 360, and that alone gets my vote for the best next-gen console on the market right now. Up until the release of the Wii, it was the only console I was even remotely considering purchasing since the N64. In that time, PC gaming had my full attention... now to a somewhat lesser extent, though.

AND i HAVENT EVEN BOUGHT MY COPY YET! lol

Paul Skinner, I am looking at those deals, and don't see how they are not great deals.

But considering online sales, doesn't exactly mean you can go into stores and pick one up, sort of means its still hard to get.

Its extremely encouraging to see how well the Wii is doing. I can't wait to see the figures a year from now. Maybe Sony and Microsoft will sit up and take notice now.

Maybe by 2012 I'll be able to actually FIND a wii to buy one

Has someone stolen your eyes?

Where can you find Wii available? It still sold out everywhere. Unless you referring to ebay.

I live in the UK. They're available pretty much anywhere.

http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=6958 here is a prime example.

We just get screwed on the prices instead of the availability.

They are certainly around on different retail websites and junk... Just expensive. Thats why I havn't gotten one yet.

These guys have then instock:
http://www.walmart.com/c...t.do?product_id=5303671

You can even use this:
http://wii.yahoo.com/buyers-guide

Both Wal-Marts in my town in KY have 3 or 4 Wii consoles each, in addition to a couple of 360 Elites, and quite a few PS3 systems... quite a few, indeed.

Yea, that Yahoo Wii link above shows 'out of stock' everywhere except Walmart, and there it's listed as "starting at $458".

yes, your mom @sshole

I take the comment about future technology talking about HD content. In the sense they will talk about adding HD support to their future consoles, when they believe enough people actually have HD equipment.

In other words before we see a HD Wii, we might see an improvement to the Wii itself ( external hd support, additional internal flash memory ).

Considering the amount of people with HD equipment will only become larger, the longer they wait the better equipment we will actually see in the end.

I have no doubt they are already talking about how to improve the Nintendo Wii which I believe will be the same performance improvement level we saw between the original Nintendo System and Super Nintendo System.

i love my wii but nintendo is praised for waiting to support hd far too often. i always see remarks along the lines "well nintendo was smart they didn't bundle a new format with their system, not enough people have it" yet sitting back and waiting for other companies and consoles to establish a format and then play catchup a few years laters doesn't seem like the best idea, but hey they also continued to use cartridges rather than cds and they are still around and doing really well right now so... hard to say. i just don't think they should be supported for not supporting new formats.

Does this mean they have no intention of releasing a new system until 2012? As far as consoles go, that seems like a really long time.

I wouldn't think so. Just means they'll still be selling Wii's alongside whatever new console they release between now and then. Like how Sony still sells PS2s.

"So we're going to start work on future technology only when we believe it's necessary."

It sure sounds like they are content to ride out the future, although it sure would seem that they would be working on something! That is a sort of strange statement...

Wasn't it Sony who said, nay, proclaimed that consoles should have a life of 10 years?

Maybe that was just how long it would take for them to turn a profit lol.

Who knows, this may be true.

But forecasting game platform sales so far in advance in a market that is as volatile as the gaming market is dangerous business.

But I think its safe to say that at the price point Wii has entered the market, compared to the absurd cost of entry and the just as absurd cost of product after the sale for a platform such as PS3, Wii is destined to easily win the penetration contest between the 3 major new platforms.

nintendo previously stated that their next upgrade would be a HD Wii in 4-5 Years.. and theyll lump oroginal and hd wiis togetehr as 1 .. so they can say we sold 35 mill by 2012 between the original and then released HD version..