the hard drive is not an issue as its an edasy job to replace it the real problem is that the new "improved" ps3 has had the emotion engine removed just like us in the uk, and backwards ps2 compatibility sucks. which is probably why ppl are rushing to purchase the 60gig before you are charged more for less.

btw for the doubters here is the BC(backwards compatability) euro link:

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

and this is what david reeves has said about the updates for ps2/1 titles:

"Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3"

and he stood by his word as there have been no fixes for any games of late: http://www.scee.presscen...D=4331&NewsAreaID=2

That's unfortunate because that was the ONE good thing I could say about the PS3 when it first came out. "At least you can literally play EVERY game on it that you could a PS1". But obviously they don't think it's that important. What's stupid is they decided to do this AFTER the R&D went into making the stupid compatibility chips to begin with. DUH!

FCK FCK FCK, come on sony make and 80GB HD or MS for the PSP ALREADY!!!

lol. Good lord. I always get a few chuckles out of the kids on here ranting about on and on about sony.

Always a rise to see the high tide of personal resentment that every little tidbit of news about sony brings in.

...usually it's the wiier's... You'd think that they'd be busy play'n the wii rather than getting so wrapped up worrying about the competition all the time.

haha...well too all the angry wiier's out there, good luck w. all that.

I've got some rainbow 6 terrorists on my PS3 to take care... she's a beauty.

GS5

You do know you can just replace the HD in the PS3, it uses a standard HD, although the XBOX 360 also uses a standard HD but your not "allowed" to replace it.

It's definitely possible replace the 2.5" HD. But I'm talking about a regular desktop HD. If you want to try it for yourself here's want you need.

1: 3.5" Sata HD (any size you want)
2: Sata external connector
3: HD enclosure to house and supply power to the HD.
4: Screw driver

Connect the sata cable to the PS3 and HD. Turn on the PS3 it will ask you to format the new drive, click yes and restart the system. That's all there is to it and you have a 3.5" boot HD for the PS3.

Wow, they added a whole 20gb, it'll be years before anyone can fill that up.

Why not just buy the cheapest one and then add a 500GB HD that cost less than $120. Sure it won't look as pretty with a big desktop drive sticking out next to it. But that's a small price to pay for an extra 420 gigs.

Interesting that no one has pointed out the obvious. The 60gig model actually costs sony more to produce than the 80gig model. Not only because the emotion engine is being taken out of the 80gig model, but because the 60gig hard drive costs more than the 80gig model.

So you ask how can a bigger hard drive be cheaper? Simple, supply. 60gig Hard drives are being phased out of the industry in favor of higher capacity drives. This was the same issue that the 20gig hard drive model had.

Who in their right minds would pay 100 more dollars for 20gigs of storage, and lesser Backwards compatibility?

All in all, Sony is taking a HUGE hit right now, because of this price drop. They are losing a lot of money from every single 60gig console being sold at the 499 price point.

There was no price drop. The lowest price PS3 has always been $499.

Price drop on the Model not the price point.

if you want a PS3, you have to pay $499 at a minimum. Nothing has changed.

"Price drop on the Model not the price point."

Call it whatever you want, but it is not a price drop. A price drop would be selling a ps3 for a price lower than $499. Nothing has changed.

60gb model was $599. The same model now is $499, which equals a drop in price (of that model). That's what there point was. Not that there wasn't ever a $499 PS3.

More like a clearance sale than a price drop, considering they have stopped production.

One can only assume that this price point is still selling consoles. As soon as sales bottom out they will have no choice but to lower the price. Until then though they will charge as much as people are willing to pay. Obviously there are only so many people in the world willing to dish out this kind of money. The Nintendo days were all about parents buying them for the kids. Maybe that is why the wii is so popular? the PS3 I mean the name itself just sounds bland, not popular and mundane.

Dave, I see you got off work at 5:00 today. Then you starting posting just minutes apart under three or four of your multiple accounts.

Nice try but I am smarter than you.

Your system still sucks by the way.

The list for today:

Ray Dorset
DaveBG
pitdingo
MinuteMaid

where's fernz33 and Benjamin? And Steve?

LMAO at your stupidity.

"Inventory of the 60GB PS3 is expected to be depleted by the fall, Sony added."

At which point the sales will return to their pathetically low rate.

i'll stick with my wii and my pc when i feel like shooting things

Yeah. $599 is way too much for a console. Sony is dead this Christmas.

Ok. Back to the Mythos beta...

Hey dofus, it's $499..

When i was at EB, they had stacks and stacks of 80GB models which said $599. Hard to miss the big piles of unsold 80GB models at $599. Yep $599.

BTW - they had no Wii's for $249

"When i was at EB, they had stacks and stacks of 80GB models which said $599."

Funny, 80GB models aren't out yet.. Nice try, but your lies kinda make you look dumb.

At the moment, it's only $499 models. If you want 80GB models, you got another week or 2 to wait.

i was kind of suprised to see a wii left at walmart the other day but it was tucked behind a bunch of games probably somebody hiding till they got off of work

And here I thought that 'immediate availability' meant something like, oh, immediate availability? Silly of me...

the Immediate part was the $100 price cut for the 60GB. The 80GB was always August 10th.

Go read the press release.

Actually I was at target yesterday. They had 2 80 gig models, and 1 60 giger

Better yet, just get your zit faced, lisp speaking a** out of the house and into a retail store.

That is a nice intellegent response.

The elaborate details alone give me points :-D

Sony does lie quite a bit but even if they are selling 60GB versions like crazy, remember each one costs them $350 to sell. They arent making money on the PS3.

More consoles sold = bigger loss. What a business model.

I'll take three.

It's more like $150 - $200 these days.

Dude your getting desperate with those posts.

All three of your fake usernames are now just a couple minutes apart, but nobody noticed.

Dave, you are a pathetic turd.

Yeah but technically if you have the console you will probably buy games, or at least rent them from the video store. That means games which are pure profit after they ave developed make up for the loss on the console. that is the business model and is exactly why these companies don't want mod chips in their consoles that allow you to run games that are copied.

That may be true but the games so far suck!

Right now I'm considering Ninja Gaiden Sigma. And I'd hate to go back a generation but I'd get the PS3 and play god of war 2. Still, I can't think of anything else thats good thats coming out soon.

Lol I hear Ninja Gaiden is pretty much just a port of the Xbox version.

How is it identical?

I thought the 80 gb version would be using software emulation instead of the emotion chip, did this change?

Yeah the story had since been updated because it before said it was identical hence my comment.

Quote from above:
The new PS3 is nearly identical to the discontinued 60GB model, but features a larger hard drive and lacks the "Emotion Engine" chip used for supporting older PS2 titles.

I'm not sure if it's changed in the meantime, but it does include saying that it doesn't have the EE chip, and the article doesn't SAY it was edited...

That is, until they run out of 60GB models. I'd also take their figure with a grain of salt being that it's Sony making the claim. They have this tendency to lie just a bit. No doubt sales have picked up though, but a non-biased sales report would be nice.

You can bet once the 60GB models are gone, there will be a $499 80GB model.

This is no difference however to microsoft dropping $20 - $50 on the 360, to try and clear the unreliable bug ridden 90nm 360's in preparation for the 65nm models early next year.

As usual here, when Sony does it, it's bad, but if Microsoft does it, the story is totally different.

The big difference here, is the 60GB models are fully working, Microsoft are selling 360's still that will eventually fail and need repair. Is this worth a $20 - $50 discount?

"You can bet once the 60GB models are gone, there will be a $499 80GB model."

Keep dreaming.

"You can bet once the 60GB models are gone, there will be a $499 80GB model."

You keep telling yourself that.

"This is no difference however to microsoft dropping $20 - $50 on the 360, to try and clear the unreliable bug ridden 90nm 360's in preparation for the 65nm models early next year."

Actually there is a difference. MS is having a price drop not a clearance sale.

"As usual here, when Sony does it, it's bad, but if Microsoft does it, the story is totally different."

Same old sob story.

"The big difference here, is the 60GB models are fully working, Microsoft are selling 360's still that will eventually fail and need repair. Is this worth a $20 - $50 discount?"

You don't know that. Nobody including MS knows that for sure. For all we know the new heatsink could have been the fix.

An 80GB model at $499 makes perfect sense. The $499 60GB model actually costed more to make than the 80GB model. Take Motorstom out the box, and perhaps add an extra controller and game in the $599 box, and there you have it, a $499 80Gb model, and a $599 premium model.

Does not seem very far fetched to me. The rate the $499 models are selling, it's unlikely Sony will want to lose on that momentum.

"You don't know that. Nobody including MS knows that for sure. For all we know the new heatsink could have been the fix."

I agree that your average consumers knows jack and sh!t about electronics, but MS does know the problem. If they don't after more than a year then those engineers should burn their degrees and call it quits now.

http://techon.nikkeibp.c...NEWS_EN/20070801/137224/

Not sure how legitimate this sight is but it holds true to standard test for electronic components.

"An 80GB model at $499 makes perfect sense."

Yeah, maybe in Bizzaro World. Here in the real world, most people are NOT willing to dish out $500 or $600 for a TOY. No matter how you look at it, or how Sony tries to convince you otherwise, a console is STILL a toy. I live in a pretty good neighborhood, people around here are not rich, but they aren't poor either. Yet, most of them are still not willing to blow $500 on a toy.

So true, I consider the PS3 a toy along side the Wii and the Xbox 360... :( The Wii is still not in the sweet spot for a console ($199.99 is what Nintendo has it pegged at then cheaper on down the road, but I guess since everyone is charging so much this time the big N figures 250 will look like a bargain... cant argue with the sales figures.) anyway im way off topic here.

I do however agree with the "An 80GB model at $499 makes perfect sense." but not in the fact that it makes sense to buy one. Only in the fact that Sony will pretty much have to drop the price. Its already been seen that a console at $599.99 will have horible sales levels.

There is no way that even MS could know for sure if the heatsink will fix the problem. Although if they didn't think it would, they wouldn't have bothered putting them in.

"You can bet once the 60GB models are gone, there will be a $499 80GB model."

Right about the same time they bring out a 100gb model, and need to liquidate the 80gb's.

"This is no difference however to microsoft dropping $20 - $50 on the 360, to try and clear the unreliable bug ridden 90nm 360's in preparation for the 65nm models early next year."

Never mind the fact that MS held out about as long as they could before doing a price drop. Add to the price drop the inclusion of a game by certain retailers (http://www.joystiq.com/2...ndled-with-table-tennis/), and you're getting more value for the money. It remains to be seen if these are more of the buggy consoles for sale, or if they've begun putting consoles on the shelves with the added heatsink.

"As usual here, when Sony does it, it's bad, but if Microsoft does it, the story is totally different."

Nobody said that it was bad when Sony did it. Most people are just pointing out that the price drop is actually just an inventory reduction on a discontinued product.

"The big difference here, is the 60GB models are fully working, Microsoft are selling 360's still that will eventually fail and need repair. Is this worth a $20 - $50 discount?"

The 60gb models may work, but there aren't really any games to play yet. As for MS, like I said...it remains to be seen if the fixes have been implemented in the newly shipped consoles.

To be honest, I don't have a lot of faith in either MS or Sony right now...and I own a 360 (which is having its own unique problems not covered by the warranty extension). I just wish that Wii's weren't more rare than Bigfoot.

That may make since, but that doesn't mean Sony is going to do it. When has Sony ever made since anyway?

"Is this worth a $20 - $50 discount?"

Yes, when the system (Xbox 360) has more games, more exclusives, has better online and still costs less than the more expensive system (PS3).

Well it actually costs more, as now it seems you must buy a HDD to get any of the good games. And the HD DVD drive adds another $200 to the price. Play and chanrge kit? $60 Wifi $100..

Not really cheaper is it.... You have to be an idiot to not see you have been scammed.

Yeah your right they don't know for sure if it will fix anything. Put their options are limited. Either add a heat sink, add a more powerful fan. Or we can all just stop using the HD feature and run these via AVI cables :'( to keep processing power down.

Yes, it is cheaper even if you get the HDD. The Xbox Elite is $449.99. You don't need HD-DVD (it's a gaming machine) or Wifi. Eithernet is faster anyway. It comes with a Play and Charge kit (if you get a Premium, Elite or Wireless controller; the Core comes with a Wired controller). If you owned a 360, you'd know that.

"You have to be an idiot to not see you have been scammed by paying more for less games and exclusives by getting a PS3"

There fixed it for you.