AMD has a much better product at a better price. Intel sells more because they have dirty deals with Dell, Gateway, etc - and that's what most of the public (sheep who don't know any better) will buy. AMD will kick Intel's hind end, if Intel accepts the challenge, which I doubt they will.

"AMD has a much better product at a better price."

are you smoking crack? have you looked at how much cheaper Pentium D's are compared to Athlon X2's?

and AMD has dirty deals too. trust me i know. besides, if you were in charge of say... INTEL dont you think you would want to make money? thats why they call it a "business"

-link (keeping everything fair in nerdville)

"trust me I know"...lol ok I'll trust you mr. some guy on the internet.

$995 - Pentium D 840 Extreme
$885 - Athlon 64 X2 4800 Dual Core

source: Pricewatch.

AMD is the dogs nuts, the wizards cuff.. proven time and time again.

Do you think George Bush will survive the next Election?

????

A Lexus is nice, really nice, but it's still not a BMW.

Yep, I am a "fanboy". I am going to paint my car AMD Green and place AMD stickers all over it. You watch I will post pictures in the next month or two.

I am reminded of a car commercial. Where the song would sing "Anything you can do I can do better". I think that is AMD singing it to Intel. LOL Let the flames fly. My diet of Bud Ice and Skinny (Cabbage) Soup:

6 large green onions
2 bell peppers
1 or 2 large cans of tomatoes
1 bunch of celery
1 head of cabbage
1 package of Lipton onion soup mix
bouillon (optional)

Are paying off lol.

EDIT: I added some Hot Curry and a few other spices. I also know this has NOTHING to do with the topic. I just wanted to share this with you guys. It's good.

edit: double post.

Nice recipe, but can you elaborate on what I do with everything other than put into a food processor and then nuke it? I have a date in 30 minutes and need to impress.

thanks,
mjm01010101

A little late, but you boil it for about 30 minutes. Longer if you want them to be softer.

Keep at it AMD, make them ante up. I think this is a cool thing and for techies this would be the reality show of the century LOLOL.

Intel ignores, and makes 10-20x what AMD does, plus makes more profit than AMD makes in revenue. Intel moves on. AMD looks at the empty boxing ring and wonders what happened.

AMD makes products for people that they care about. Intel makes a buck.

Oh please, you think AMD is in business because they care about people and not to make money? You are the very definition of a fanboy sheep. I use AMD myself but I'm not going to pretend that they are the good guys and Intel are the bad guys. They are both just companies, and they are both in business to make a profit. My last system used an Intel chip and I was perfectly happy with it. I buy from whichever company has the best product for the money at the time, but I refuse to show loyalty to them. It's like arguing which company makes the best peanut butter ("Skippy cares about people but JIFF are just in it to make a buck"). See how retarded that is?

"Fanboy" isn't that a little funny? AMD does care about their customers where as Intel only cares about making the buck. Look at all of the tech support and look at how the products are made. Read the sites of both and who is the ONLY one that speaks of their customers. Hint: It's not Intel.

Yeah I've always thought fanboys were a little funny too, but it's your life. You're right about AMD being friendly though; why they eve sent me a birthday card last year. Bless them! Most of Intel's business is with large corporations; they don't have to be concerned with little Billy the overclocker and his gaming rig. If AMD wasn't the little guy and had Intel's market I doubt they would care either. I don't care either way, like I say being faithful to some company that has nothing to do with you other than the fact that you own one of their products is just stupid.

I respect that. I however disagree, but respect that. I like AMD very much and feel that they are a great company and will support them 100% until I am screwed over. I am that way with anything that I feel is worth my time. That is just me. It's who I am.

OMG i never seen so many AMD fanboy's in one place before lol

One AMD chip I owned (AMD Via/C3/GigaPro) the lowest core resolution timer/tick (something very critical for games/renderings/programming) was 10 ms and it was suposedly a P3/1GHZ equivalent. I could pull better performance with a P2 and get much more precise timings at the same time.

My ping in games was automaticly 20+ ms higher because of the processor alone. I can honestly say that P1s could run some things better then that piece of s***.

lol no kidding...you're going back 10 years and saying "back then amd sucked". Ever since the athlon XP AMD has been winning the performance war, every now and then intel released something that would beat AMD, only to be beat by AMD's next release again.

Bahwoot, are you this current on all your hardware? The FACT is that AMD has been kicking Intel's behind in all game benchmarks. AMD is the chipset choice of all gamers. Welcome to the 21st Century Bahwoot...

Welcome to the 21st Century ? **** off.

Too many of you AMD fanbois trying to put together a system for peanuts while thinking you are getting a deal on performance.

I purchased an Intell 2.4Ghz+Water cooling kit, clocked to 3.2Ghz and I am getting near double the frame rates in games that my neighbour who spent roughtly the same money on the same product.

When hes running Azeraus he can't watch movies at the same time its that choppy, something I never had a problem with on Intell.

Exact, AMD lunch this chalenge to be sure Intel won't say "Our is faster" because it is not.

We now have exactly the same configuration that the ATI - NVidia battle. The ball is in Intel hands now...

Good news for choice, and for price battle ;)

Intel won't do it because this is just another attempt at marketing by AMD at Intel's expense, just like the lawsuit. Intel owns 80% of the market so what good would it do them to "challenge" AMD when they are already chipzilla? I recommend AMD just keep focusing on the product and knock off the lame marketing schemes.

obviously you haven't reached business 101 in college yet...

"stay stagnant" is the perfect recipe to get knocked off the top. "oh we still have higher market share so lets not try to compete", genius.

I'll tell you this, I work for a financial company on wall st and right now we're looking into moving away from intel and getting amd servers, most of our trading apps run 20%+ faster on the same spec server with an AMD cpu....not to mention it's a little cheaper. Take forgies advice intel, do nothing and die.

And when the sh1t hits the fan, because their VIA chipsets start corrupting data, or not working with a particular backup device etc, who gets the blame?

Nobody got fired for buying Intel....

hm...I never had a problem with that...using a dell backup device on an hp amd 64bit server. We got 6 HP 64bit servers acting as market data feed servers, been running perfect for the past 6 months. VIA chipset corrupting data? You know how much data goes through a market data feed server? I wouldn't be the only one fired if it corrupted data...that's some old belief you got going there.

Nobody got fired for buying intel? Tell me how your CTO reactes when you buy a $30k server and he later finds out you could of gotten that same server for $25k with AMD proccessors and have it run 20% faster...you may not get fired...but your bonus might take a hit

I'm seeing more and more companies (mainly financial since that's the industry I'm in) moving towards AMD for performance, especially with the increasing performance demands of trading applications.

One of our major data feed providers RECOMMEND AMD 64bit procs over Intels for their servers...

So reliability and compatability never figure in your purchase decisions? Whilst neither of these affect AMD processors per-se, they do affect the Chipsets that run AMD processors.

It wasn't a specific problem (although VIA chipsets had lots of problems in this area a few years back). There are plenty of chipset instability and compatability problems with non-Intel chips. That is not to say that Intel chipsets are perfect, but if stability and compatability is more important to you than price or 5% extra performance, buy Intel. This is WHY they have such a massive lead in the server market.

Ofcourse Compatibility and reliability affect purchase decisions...but neither of those are issues with AMD anymore. You'll be very hard pressed to find something not compatible with the AMD chipset...and it's just as reliable (if not more so now) then the Intel chips. These are market data feed servers, performance and 100% up time is critical on these...no issues, never had a problem...and this market data vendor has been running AMD servers and deploying them to other companies for over a year with no problems. Show me some reliability issues with todays AMD cpu's...

AMD will work with Intel Extensions, but Intel will not work with AMD's.

make that a 20% performance improvement...trust me we have tested both (on this particular market data app)...and it really is 20% faster...and it's actually another 20% faster running on Linux instead of Windows. This particular market data provider even says AMD increases its performance by 20%....and we're findind this to be true for alot of our trading applications at this point.

Like I said before, Stability is not an issue, AMD is just as stable and reliable as Intel...maybe a few years ago that was different, which is why companies are afraid to go to AMD, but right now I know for a fact alot of companies are looking at AMD alot more closely. The only reason we don't have more AMD server is because most of our servers are Dell...and Dell refuses to make AMD servers (I wonder how much Intel is reducing their prices for them to continue this relationship...).

Think about the fact that what if something does break down. with intel, the chipset, proc, mobo is all made by intel, so you only go to them for support. For AMD, since AMD makes the proc, VIA or some other company makes the chipset, and another company makes the mobo, they will all kick the bucket around saying it's not their problem. That time lost is a lot of money, often much more than what the server cost in the first place.
No doubt that AMD is faster, but even a 20% is sometimes not worth the risk. All depends on what your needs and concerns are.

uhm...no, it doesn't work that way with servers. If something breaks down on our dell server, I call dell and they're here with parts within 4 hours. Something wrong with our HP server, be it the CPU, motherboard, seagate harddrive, broadcom NIC, doesn't matter...call HP and they're here within 4 hours with parts. I don't call VIA, AMD, intel...I call the server manufacturer. Companies have support contracts with server manufacturers themselves, not part manufacturers.

You are looking at it closed minded. AMD does make a chipset. VIA makes chipsets for Intel too. Intel chipsets are, IMO, slower. I have not seen a good one yet.

EDIT: http://www.amd.com/us-en...30_182_871_2336,00.html

since when did I suggest staying stagnant? Intel is doing anything but staying stagnant, but they also aren't biting at AMD's attempt to bring positive press in their own direction. There are already third parties out there that benchmark both companies products so why try to let AMD publicize more?

Intel will never do nothing, and likely never die. Not accepting this "challenge" doesn't mean they aren't competing, you great wealth of knowledge.

lol...it just means they aren't as good as they're competition is all...you great lack of intelligence.

This is what I am trying to say. Speed and price are NOT the only parameters when buying server hardware...

nice work ignoring all my other posts about that...and the fact that you agree with his argument about calling 85 different manufacturers for one server just shows you don't actually work with them...

english you neanderthal

AMD will beat intel on almost every count. No question. However with the new Intel processor roadmap and Intel finally getting their heads out of their a$$es and developing better, COOLER processor architectures, Intel may be toe-to-toe as far as performance with AMD by mid-2006.

Intel won't bite since it knows it will lose.

Opterons kick ass.

Depends on the test. It;s not going to happen. Intel will want Video encoding type tests and fileserver, where the Xeons are faster than the Opterons, AMD will want bechmarks that show off the AMD strong points. (Quake 4 Benchmarks...)

Quake 4 benchmarks? These are server benchmarks that AMD is challenging them too....heavy calculations is what they'll be testing.

""Since we launched dual-core AMD Opteron processors in April 2005, we've won every major industry-standard benchmark for x86 servers," Marty Seyer, AMD corporate vice president and general manager, boasted in a statement." No offence, but you might want to reread that.

I was joking. Most people that think AMD Rulez, are Gamerz...

No offence, but you might not want to believe everything you read...

most people only game. server admins, however, will also agree. AMD opened the door for cheap 64 bit, ram prices dropped, cpu prices dropped... now you can get a beast of a 1u for 4-6k where just 2 years ago you had to have a 14k server with a special os to even come close to this level. the cheaper they are, the more we can buy, the more redundancy we have with our performance.