RSSAnalysis: Making Up Sony's PlayStation 3 Sales Gap
By Sharon Fisher | Published January 12, 2007, 4:35 PM
In examining the margins between Sony's end-of-2006 sales goals for PlayStation 3 and the actual numbers reported this morning by NPD Group - the accounting for which, Sony told BetaNews today, makes sense if you count those PS3s still on trucks - Parks Associates analyst Michael Cai told BetaNews there could be more serious factors at play...or at work.
There were several factors behind Sony's debacle, said Michael Cai, an analyst with Parks Associates.
First was the price point, especially considering the holiday season when people are buying gifts, Cai said. The people who did buy PlayStation 3s were the core early adopters, but once you get beyond them, price becomes a big factor - especially when it's parents buying consoles for their kids. In fact, he noted, the PS3 didn't even make its numbers in Japan, where the price was cut by 20%.
The second factor was the limited supply at the beginning, and that even when more machines became available, Sony didn't communicate that very well, Cai said.
The third factor was the Nintendo Wii, which got a lot of attention. Even the wrist strap problem served to help promote the machine. "Everyone has to wonder why you need a wrist strap," remarked Cai. "'What are they doing with that thing?'"
A fourth factor was the still booming popularity of the Sony PlayStation 2, which was often sold for $100 bundled with five games, Cai said. "Sony was competing against themselves."
Sony needs to do several things to recover, he advised. First, it needs to communicate with the market that the machine is available. Second, it shouldn't cut the price immediately, because that will increase the perception of failure. Instead, Sony should add value to the product by bundling games and movies with it, he said. Third, Sony needs to market the device to people in their 20s and 30s, who have a job and have their own purchasing power, leveraging social media such as MySpace and YouTube, he said.
Will there be a PlayStation 4? Cai thinks so, but not right away. Gaming machines such as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are so powerful, he said, that it's hard to see another machine coming out in five years. The next cycle will probably be more like eight years, he said. In addition, Sony needs to look at what Microsoft is doing with IPTV and turning the Xbox 360 into a set-top box and a living room entertainment center, and look for similar opportunities, perhaps making use of its own content, he said. To do that, Sony needs to create more synergy between its different corporate components.
The upshot is that the 2006 holiday season was a big shot of reality to Sony, Cai said. "Sony is no longer the Sony of four years ago," he said. "Apple is a lot cooler than Sony. They thought because of the PlayStation 1 and the PlayStation 2 that the PlayStation 3 would sell itself, but that's not what happened."
PS3s are selling REALLY slow here in Japan...
like most of the retailers, including convenience stores are like lowering their prices, with no one buying them..
I wonder what happened to the supposedly come out series of "killer" games.
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Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this Xbox fanboy talk?
PS3 shipments are veyr high, so units will be on shelves, that is different to not being sold.
You post stinks of fanboy talk, as nobody has yet lowered the RRP of the PS3 like you suggest, if they had Joystiq would be all over the story..
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http://www.joystiq.com/2...ores-have-ps3s-in-stock/
http://www.joystiq.com/2...tock-ps3s-are-troubling/
http://www.joystiq.com/2...by-25-due-to-poor-sales/
http://www.joystiq.com/2...sees-ps3-price-increase/
(yawn)
same sh!t, different day. Dont like joystiq, do a google search.
Stevy? Why is a new console sitting in shelfs 1 and 1/2 months after launch? I know your going to say more production, but wasnt Sony assuming every console was going to fly off the shelf? I mean why else would they try so HARD to make 6 million of these rack warmers by March?
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It's common knowledge that Jotstiq are Sony haters, If you believe them, that's your problem...
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Well the problem is you see, sales figures for the PS3 need to count people who desire to have the console. This is quite fair in that these potential owners (of the worlds most awesomely cool console) need to be counted because they will eventually own the console once production has ramped up. Now you may think that counting potential purchasers is unfair, you might be right but unfortunately this is the way it is and you should accept this. I'm sure you all desire one as well, so I will add all you guys to the total sales. Thanks.
Mark.
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PS3 urgently needs a killer app...a game that shows it off and says: "Look how pretty I'm, you can't have this on the XBox360, buy a PS3!!"
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Gran Turismo 5... but they'll take ages about it again.
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Don't forget MGS4.
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Wow, gottalottaflametothrow...
Sony are up the sh!t, really. I wonder if like Sega did.
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You think?
They have shipped 1.1 Million PS3's since Novemeber and sold 1 million globally.
That's not too shabby...
EU Launch is confirmed for March, with a million consoles prepared... Bear in mind all the other consoles (WII and 360 have already launched in these regions, people are queing up in Europe for PS3's already, with large numbers of pre-orders..
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http://www.betanews.com/...eets_1M_Goal/1168632804
Where did you get 1 million?
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yeah you need to read more. They barely broke 600k
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They have shipped 1.1 Million PS3's since Novemeber and sold 1 million globally."
Making a loss on every single one. If people can only afford a game or two, they'll go bust.
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There really are some retards here...
1/ The figure to which you refer to MUCH closer to 700,000 than your 600,000
2/That figure is for Nov 17 to Dec 31, there are now another 3 weeks of sales.
3/That figure is US only. Does not include Canada, Japan and other Asia regions.. In Japan alone they have sold 470,000 units. Even a retard can work out that 470,000 + 687,300 is more than a million units.
Perhaps you need to read more, or open your eyes and realise the world is bigger than the yard of your trailer park...
The link below shows that PS3 has shipped and sold 2 million to date, and increasing at a phenomenal rate...
http://www.chinapost.com...tnews/2007116/43719.htm
As much as Xbox fanboys can ignore it, PS3 had eaten 1/5th of the lead in 2 months, and it has still to launch in Europe. Expect that gap to be 1/2 by the summer.
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Damn don't pop a vein or something, LOL. Obviously I didn't pick up on the 'globaly' part.
Get some profesional help people.
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yea- phenomenal rate... I have seen them sitting on the shelves at every BestBuy and Target in the Atlanta area- Fry's even quit trying to sell the overpriced PS3 bundles.
I think the boom of PS3 sales is over- no one wants a cheap BluRay player or a $600 game console. Both are technically superior, but what good are they if no one else can afford one?
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Again, there are plenty of eggs on my supermarket shelves, does that mean theyare not selling.
Simpletons can't seem to get their head aroun the fact that now supply issues are resolved, PS3 is selling, but stocks are being refreshed regularly.
Also, PS3 as it happens is a very good Blu-Ray player...
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ppl buy gaming systems to, you know, play games
very very few ppl will be playing movies on it
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That's why Blu-Ray is now outselling HD-DVD by a factor of 3...
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That''l change dramatically within months.
The pr0n industry, you see, has gone HD DVD.
Pretty much the death knell for Blu-Ray.
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Didn't you also state that PS3 would have no effect on Blu-Ray sales?
HaHa...
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Sorry, I have to know. Where are you getting this factor of 3?
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/
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Did I?
I've pretty much stayed away from the HD vs. Blu Ray other than to post a "funny" or two, so if I did say such a thing, you can pretty much bet that, as above, it was tounge-in-cheek.
Why is it flamers, troll, and fanboys never get it?
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yep, if ya can't watch porn on a blu-ray, what's the point of even having it lol
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As usual, your comments are total BS...
http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=37021
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As usual, you take a tongue-in-cheek post (mainly because I couldn't care less who or what wins) and make feeble attempts to insult and incite.
Best of luck.
(BTW: http://www.google.com/ur...=ln7UgBIFwjsvPVEUeRDYsA)
See, I can link too. Aren't we special?
You fanboys are so easy.
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LMAO, I just woke up to see this. You posted an article dated after his post, LOL. I haven't even had time to browse the web to get this NEW info, and your already attacking someone on it?
Eitherway, good job (pat on the back) on the info.
Although from reading your article I'm still getting the impression that the porn industry is having difficulty finding a production line. So while Sony might not have outright banned it, the production lines themselves are not supporting porn. My bet is on the low diode quantities a while back, productions lines would rather produce real movies before porn if their quantities are limited.
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Why I havnt bought a PS3...yet. Well, Rewind about 1.5 years to the release of the PSP. I bought a PSP at launch 2 reasons. 1. I am happy with the ps2. 2. I was looking forrward to a few of the games said to be released just after launch. The game I was wanting most was Gran Turismo Mobile. Back to the present, the game i looked forrward to so much, STILL has not been released. On top of that, There STILL is very little in the way of fun games (i dont want games i played years ago rereleased, i want new fun games). So my PSP has sat lifless for sometime because Sony would rather focus on everything in my portable game system than _GAMES_.
Now about the PS3, I am not falling into this trap again. When I see some games that I want to play, I will buy one and not a second before. It does all these nice things, but in the end if my shiny new game machine doesnt have any interesting/fun games to play, its worthless...
BTW, getting a bit sick of gran theft auto and first person shooter rip offs...missing the games you could have FUN at instead of feel like its work. ;)
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To add a different note to this. I live in a city of about 35,000 people and the only place to buy electronics is Wal-Mart. 2 days ago they had 8 60 gb ps3 (no wii's) and tonight they were sold out of them.
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"Apple is a lot cooler than Sony". Apples and oranges. Chalk and cheese. What does that have to do with market analysis? Anyway, Sony will recover only if they try to stop strong arming the market. Proprietary devices and high prices. Hey, wait a minute, that DOES sound like Apple. Silly me....
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Sheesh, you PC zealots never give up! Apple's idea of proprietary isn't even in the same league as Sony. Apple products are more compatible today than ever, and your comment sounds like you've had your head in the sand since 1995. And how many times do I have link to the price comparison between an Apple and Dell machine of the same configuration? :P
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Probably until you realize that, being zealots, they'll completely ignore any facts you give them unless they are in their favor.
Logic fails it when a zealot is involved.
..and yes, I've been on both sides of that one. :p
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If anything. What's hurting the PS3 Right now is Lack of 1080P Televisions in normal households (meaning, blu-ray is pretty much usless, 720P+Blu-Ray is not a good combo) If you want the pure performance out of the PS3/Blu-Ray you're gonna need a HDTV that can run at 1080P whereas with the 360/HDDVD you only beed a 720P/1080i HDTV for it to look great.
But the biggest thing hurting the PS3 is games. The Majority of the games out for the PS3 are availible for the 360. The few PS3 only games aren't that great unless you're playing Resistance.
Another thing hurting PS3 Sales, only way you can purchase it Online is by purchasing a BUNDLE. I've seen the bundles close to a $1,000, and they include games and accessories most people don't want or don't need.
The way I see it, only majior Playstation fanboys and the people with the money are buying PS3's. Most people are waiting for a price drop and more games.
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Another thing hurting PS3 Sales, only way you can purchase it Online is by purchasing a BUNDLE. I've seen the bundles close to a $1,000, and they include games and accessories most people don't want or don't need."
Actually...it's very easy to find PS3's for retail (and in some cases even less!). Lack of supply is no longer an issue...lack of games, high price point and the popularity of the Wii and 360 are hurting the PS3.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2...-30fps-read-not-true-hd
So when will 1080p actually matter?
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???? Blu-Ray looks just fine in 720p/1080i
There is some really misinformated and/or thick people here. A bit like some of the peole that post here, that predicted huge overheating and failure rates of PS3.. Not happened, outside a few isolated cases.
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What hurts the PS3 is the price tag.
Sony put too much into this console, and they never dreamed it would be as difficult to produce and distribute a "futuristic" system before the tech becomes more widely available elsewhere. It cost Sony too much for them to ask any less than what they are asking, yet it is simply too much money. $600 is just too dam high, period.
I will say this for Sony: in a year or two, when the cost of production goes down for the PS3, it will likely sell many more consoles and catch up with XBox 360 sales possibly, especially if it goes down to only a couple hundred dollars or so. PS3 price is simply about $200 higher than MOST CONSUMERS are willing to spend on a frikin game console, in my professional opinion.
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W/e you say davey
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For once, I agree with Dave / Hollywood 2, 720p and 1080i are fine, a lot of people don't even know there watching one or the other. People like us, who are techno freaks, usually know but the public at large really doesn't care that much about sound and picture.
My PS3 runs a little hotter than advertised, you just have to make sure its not in a rack with a door that closes, same goes for the 360.
The sales of PS3 will continue, but at a much slower rate because the hype is over and they are readily available in stores. The same thing happened to the 360. It will take three or four months to hit the 2 million mark, if in fact they have even sold a million, which I don't think is true just yet.
I am not as anti Blu-Ray as I used to be, I will be buying Cars and Pirates 2, and any other great movies that look and sound good on a true home theater (DLP projector and screen). All I am going to buy is summer blockbuster, eye candy / special effects movies. Watching dialog movies in HD is just crazy.
This stupid format war is just going to hurt both companies, the current sales numbers on Amazon are pretty close for top ten movies. I just dont see regular non tech geek people caring too much about either one, a lot of people still have no clue that there are HD movies and players for sale.
If you have the means, just buy both consoles (PS3 and 360) and get the games you want for each system. People freak when they see a PS3 and 360 side by side in the same house.
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"People freak when they see a PS3 and 360 side by side in the same house."
Hehe, dont know how true that is, but I'll definetly buy the PS3 when a good game comes out for it. I dont suspect that it will be anytime soon though. I'll consider it with MGS4 or GT5, but those are scheduled for late 2007 and 2008...
And thats also assuming MGS4 isnt being released on the xbox360.
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First off, PS3's are in full supply. I work at best buy and I can't seem to sell PS3's to anybody, families or hardcore sony fans. The price is just way to high, secondly 1080i and 720P are the same amount of pixels, 720P in some cases is even better...
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My relatives were over for Christmas, we have six teens in the family, five nieces and one nephew. I had the consoles running on the DLP projector and screen, they were calling their friends telling them I had both consoles.
I dont think it's a big deal but apparently they did, all I heard was "must be nice" like I won them in a contest and didn't work my a** off for the money I make. I'm basically the "crazy uncle" with all the toys.
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Motor Storm....I'm there.
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You're missing the point.
Blu-Ray does look good at 720p and/or 1080i... BUT... The PS3 lacks any sort of hardware scaler, so unless your TV can display the disk's native 1080p, it will default everything to 480p. 480p is what current DVDs use! So unless you bought your HDTV recently (I bought mine a year ago) and specifically got a 1080p capable set, you're not getting any better image quality from your Blu-Ray movies and games than you would get from normal DVD (using the PS3 as the player).
Now the Xbox 360, on the other hand, has hardware scaling built in. So, even HD-DVDs encoded at 1080p will be scaled to a standard supported by your TV (1080i, 720p, etc).
I thought about buying the PS3 simply because it is the cheapest Blu-Ray player available. But after doing some research (and not owning a 1080p capable set), I decided it wasn't even worth it for that.
And just so nobody calls me a fan-boy, I will add that I currently own a Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, Wii, Xbox 360 (with HD-DVD add-on), two original DS', a DS Lite and a PSP.
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The problem is though is that when you play Blue-Ray movies, unless you have a 1080p TV, the PS3 will automatically scale it to 480p (which is the same as DVD). So that makes it pointless to watch the Blue-Ray version.
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I don't know though... by the time they do lower the price it might be too late (thinking of the 3D0).
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??? Your talkin crap..
Blu-Ray movies play in 1080i and 1080p
Anything that does not do 1080i or 1080p, is not Hi-Def...
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1080i and 1080p work for Blu-Ray movies...
If your set don't do either 1080 format, then it's not HiDef, simple as that...
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Yes, Blu-Ray movies do play in 1080i and 1080p, but like most people, if you have a 720p TV (including me) the PS3 will scale it down to 480p. (Linkage: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p2.html)
But technically 720p and higher is considered Hi-Def, or most of the HDTV's out now that are 720p wouldn't be considered a High Definition TV. And that would also be saying that most of the PS3 games arn't HD. That's just a saying that Sony came up with, then turned around and made almost all there games 720p. You gotta love Sony.
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No, not really. 720p is also considered HD, or they wouldn't be calling most HDTV's out now that are 720p HD.
That's just something Sony came up with to try to push there PS3, saying it's 1080p compatible. Just to let you know though too, most PS3 games are 720p. So are also saying that PS3 games aren't HD?
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"That's just a saying that Sony came up with, then turned around and made almost all there games 720p" LOL
Yeah and some people believed it. (Benjamin Linus)
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a set that only does 720p is not HD.. it has to atleast support 1080i and optionally 1080p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready
The fact you were lied to buy your TV retailer, and they sold you a set that only accepts 720p signal, is not Sony's fault, it's yours..
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From your own source:
"In the USA, "HD Ready" refers to any display that is capable of accepting and displaying a high definition signal at either 720p, 1080i or 1080p using a component video or digital input, and does not have a built-in HD-capable tuner.
[...]
The fact that a product bears the label "HD ready" does not necessarily mean that it can display the full picture resolution possible from a HD source. Most HD-ready sets do not have enough pixels to give true pixel-for-pixel representation without interpolation of the higher HD resolution (1920x1080) - or even the lower HD resolution (1280x720) horizontally (CRT based sets, or the plasma based sets with 1024x768 resolution).
[...]
HD ready requirements
In order to be awarded the label “HD ready” a display device has to cover the following requirements:
1. Display, display engine
- The minimum native resolution of the display (e.g. LCD, PDP) or display engine (e.g. DLP) is 720 physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
2. Video Interfaces
- The display device accepts HD input via:
- Analog YPbPr. “HD ready” displays support analog YPbPr as a HD input format to allow full compatibility with today's HD video sources in the market. Support of the YPbPr signal should be through common industry standard connectors directly on the HD ready display or through an adaptor easily accessible to the consumer; and:
- DVI or HDMI
- HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive scan (“720p”), and
- 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
The DVI or HDMI input supports copy protection (HDCP)"
You must be Mark in disguise. Being proved wrong again by your own links! I even highlighted the parts that you need to re-read in bold.
Also going by your logic the PS3 isn't HD either, since most games are only 720p too.
"The fact you were lied to buy your TV retailer, and they sold you a set that only accepts 720p signal, is not Sony's fault, it's yours.."
I was never lied to, I just knew better. I also knew that 1080p was the new 'catch' phrase around Christmas so they'd charge an arm and a leg more just for that feature, when I can't tell the difference when I sit on my couch anyway.
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Funny, the store I work in, PS3 are flying off the shelves at phenominal rate, there are a few 20GB units let in places, but there is not alot, they come in, and then go pretty much same day...
I can only assume these xbox fanboys have infiltrated the ranks of tacky blogs and news sites..
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i wonder what store you work at
because just last night i walked into walmart and they had 4 PS3 systems just sitting there (the 60gb ones) i asked an associate when the systems had arrived and he said they had them for well over a week....
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A CircuitCity in New Jersey.
There is alot of talk about systems on shelves, and how diffucult it is to get a WII, the bottom line, is Sony ae cranking out lots of PS3, there will be units on shelves..
If someone's twisted logic says that units on shelves = failure to sell, then Xbox360 must be the biggest flop going, as the shelves are full of them...
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Sorry, given the fact that more than one of my local game/electronics stores have a lot of PS3s in stock, yet not a single Wii says something.
Twisted logic does dictate that if a product sits on the shelf, then it is either a failure to sell or the manufacturer is producing too high an amount of the said unit. Now, given that we KNOW that Sony is STILL losing money on every PS3 that they produce, then guess what? It's not the latter part of that arugement.
As for the 360 having plenty of units in stock, um, hello? The 360 has been out for well over a year, it's saturated in the market and doing amazingly well.
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"If someone's twisted logic says that units on shelves = failure to sell, then Xbox360 must be the biggest flop going, as the shelves are full of them..."
Nice try. However most people's logic adds the corollary of having units on shelves *within two months of launch* is a bad thing. You might argue that a company could get around this by having a massively well stocked launch, but clearly that is not the case with the PS3.
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Yup, lol, and the PS2 must be doing horribly as those things are freaking everywhere!!! :D
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If flying you mean moving around in your store to new locations to try and get people to buy. I have lots of geek and non-geek friends. Only one of them want a ps3 and he's going to wait until it is 300.
Either that or you live in a rich white area where the real world doesn't exist.
I had a discussion with friends at our place of work. We all agree that the PS3 is cool, but really not that cool. A 360 is not much different and those of us who have HDTV had a 360 already.
What did we get a PS2 for in the past. The games... Now that XBOX360 has all those and they are starting to cater to the niche markets. You might be in trouble. I checked our stores and the cashiers say that nobody is buying them (I live in a city of 1 million people). Wii's are out of stock everywhere.
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Ha...the one store you work in has PS3's flying off shelves at a "phenominal" rate...as far as I know, there is not enough PS3's available to make any kind of a phenominal rate of flying of shelves possible. If by phenominal rate you mean, "we most of the 20-40 ps3's we got except for a few" then you're pretty misguided. The fact that you have 20GB units left a month after release doesn't look good. 360's were almost impossible to find for over 4 months, Wii's are still really impossible to find (you can barely find a wiimote still, Component cables are even harder to come by!). PS3's are very easy to find at this point.
Matter of fact...I remember when the 360 came out...there was a "second release date" when they shipped out a bunch of 360's, and even for that 2nd date there were people camping out in stores and developing huge lines. I doubt you'll see anybody camping out for a PS3 if they tried something like that...
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Microsoft also lose money on every Xbox360 sold. $130, the last time I heard.
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That rich "white" neighborhood tells me you are not white? The last I seen was a very tall black person saying he was coming in next "payday" to buy one of the three ps3's at my local target. Does that mean black people are poor money manager? I mean waiting till payday wouldn't that suggest he's poor? Now should we say that the world does exist for poor black people? Nice comment WraithFX!
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I seen a great wii vs ps3 commercial on youtube. There were two girls standing side by sad on a white back round. One girl was beautiful, sexy, talking about how fun and cheap she is. On the other hand you had this fat, ugly nerd girl know it all bragging about all her features and that she has blue ray and is not cheap and is great quality. It was a mac vs pc style commercial and it was funny as you can get.
So yeah with that in mind, the wii is cheap, different "family" oriented system with new innovative controls. It is actually somewhat affordable. So it's no surprise the wii is doing well.
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Nice twisting of my words there.
twice a week we have a PS3 shipment of somwhere in the region of 160 units, it varies about about 20% (+/-). The split is around 70%/30% for 60GB/20GB
Between the twice weekly shipments, ALL the 60GB models sell, and usually all the 20GB models too. on 2 ocasions since launch have we had a couple of 20GB units stil in stock when the next batch arrives for retail sale.
As a guide, during the run up to the holiday season, we were shifting 20 -30 Xbox360s a week (core and premium), since the holidays that has dropped off to about 15 - 20. As for WII, we are also selling all our WII shipments, but we arn't getting that many, as Nintendo have serious issues keeping up with demand. I suspect PS3 to outsell WII in total numbers, if the limited supply of WII and (almost) unlimited supply of PS3 carries on for much longer.
Anyone that suggests that the PS3 is not selling like hotcakes, either:
1) lives on a different planet (a planet presumably owned by Microsoft)
2) does not understand retail, and the many factors at work (seasonal variations, supply and demand).
3) is fooled by thinking the box he saw on the shelf last week, is the same as the one he saw this week (something I find very unlikely to be true, except in the worst trailer park towns).
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um, maybe you should do some research if you are going to post something like that....microsoft is currently MAKING over $70 per xbox360 sold.
also, it is pretty apparent that the ps3 is struggling a bit with sales. let's not twist words or numbers, since they clearly show that there are more ps3 available and less sold during the first two months, then there were of the xbox360. the xbox360 was not available on store shelves until at least 4 months after it's launch....
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Personally, I don't care. It means the PS3 is a even better deal, and Xbox owners are getting screwed over,
Not tha xbox owners need screwing over any more by Microsoft, with the launch of the new console only a year after the original, with HDMI, 120GB HDD, and IPTV, non of which are available on the original...
Seems Betanews seems to have "forgotten" to report this...
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It seems like all the Game Stop employees are required to say "the PS3's are flying off the shelves". I went into two different stores and all the employees had there lips on Sony's ass.
We came to find out that there are meetings that tell the employees to push the PS3 and games, even though Game Stop employees were not allowed to buy one at the initial launch, even if they stood in line on their own time.
Best Buy does the same thing with Blu-Ray. This is why I hate Sony and their strong arm tactics. The good news is, the more consoles they sell, the more money they lose.
I look everywhere I go, everybody has PS3's. Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Toys R Us, Frys, etc.... the high demand is gone.
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And yet Nintendo is clearly selling more Wiis than Sony is selling PS3s. Perhaps your store is the only Sony outlet to be doing well?
And you know what they say about assumptions: the mother of all f$#%-ups.
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Wow, the idiots are breeding! You deduced all that from his one-liner about rich white neighbourhoods? :P
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Did you hear that 18 months ago?
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I think Steve is Gillespies brother. He is the new "I can't say one thing positive about the 360" fanboy always kissing Sony's ass. What is with you people, none of the Sony fanboys even own a PS3 or BD player, but you come in here bashing the 360.
Support your stupid brand or **** off.
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Yeah Kieth,
Lexus just released a new model with a feature that let's the car park itself, screwing over last years customers who bought an older version.
Why improve the car at all?
It would be different if it was only a couple months later but a year? I just bought a 360 without the bigger hard drive and HDMI but do you hear me complaining?
I'll just give it away and buy the new one as soon as it comes out. Idiots like you complain when you are stuck with a slightly older model. Did you b**** when GM replaced your stripped 2004 Cavalier with a better looking car called Cobalt in 2005? Those bas****s!
Buy a PS3 or go away. Even you think it's too expensive.
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The diference being, that all the other consoles are the same for the product lifespan. I am glad I waited for the PS3, as I would be really gutted to find that last years console was the "test" version...
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I beg to differ. The original PS2 didn't have network support built into it, it had to wait for the smaller version to get that. It was an add on .
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Where do you live that these things are so popular?
PS3s are collecting dust on the shelves at all the BestBuy and Target stores I have visited in Atlanta.
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Listen to Hollywood, Keith Tard, I mean Lard. Do you feel ripped off with the brand new Dell or HP computer you bought last year when they came out with something better, faster, and more stuff for cheaper than what you paid?
Screwed over? I think not!
Why don't you b**** about PS2 available in Slim when you got the PS2 FAT? Did you get screwed? How about the Apple's iPod with the millionioth refresh or Nintendo's Gameboy with the billion variations that come out yearly?
I think you should wait until next year and get the PS3 Slim or the PS4.
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What are people to do with a PS3/20G without wireless networking or memory card readers? Are the owners of the PS3/20G screwed?
Didn't they remove the firewire ports from the PS2Slim?
What are people to do with their PS2 Hard Drive on the PS2 Slim?
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Play games.
You don't need networking, wireless or otherwise, to play Burnout 3, Guitar Hero, or damn near any other game out there.
Sure, it's an option, but I do my multi-player gaming on a PC which is infinitely more capable in that arena.
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firewire and HDD were hardly ever used on PS2, hence they were removed.
As far as I can recally, Gran Turismo (3??) you could iLink consoles, GT4 allowed network play instead. As for the HDD, only Final Fantasy (6?)..
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You miss the CRUCIAL point. You can buy a network adapter for the PS2, infact the adapter was available long before the slim PS2 came with it built in.
Microsoft have basically shut the door on existing users, with no upgrade route for HDMI or IPTV. The 120GB may be available to purchase as a upgrade from Microsoft however for $200.
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160? Are there even that many PS3's?
/Sarcasm (just so that flamers know)
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yah, I agree I cant believe I'm already seeing them on shelves and not a single Wii with already over 4 million sold.
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ok. u fanboys need to chill and stop twisting words and logic into ur own rationalizations. we say ps3's r on shelves because noone wants them. and u say its because sony is makiing tons of them so there r extra. stupid stupid sony fanboys. ur idiot is showing. if sony is keeping up with demand and nintendo isnt why have they outsold sony 4 to 1? not to mention xbox 10 to 1. and sold many more in their launch window then sony has. idiots
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steve17 makes a valid point. While I don't know the precise sales figures over the past 3 months, it doesn't matter how many systems are on the shelves. Be it the Wii, 360, or PS3, it all comes down to sales. Even if the sales include units that are sitting on the retail store shelves. If the PS3 truly isn't selling, retail outlets will discontinue ordering such large amounts in order to balance out supply and demand. As it sits, I believe the Wii is the hottest item out there, in both sales and hype (In that so many people are interested in them) as opposed to the PS3, which needs, as so many of you have already posted, a killer app. Something for us to really want to play that is exclusive to the PS3. It hasn't arrived yet, and you can bet interest for the system will remain low until such a title is released, be it MGS4, or a surprise hit like the original Halo.
The Wii has innovation.
The 360 has over a year's worth of titles and developer experience.
The PS3 has a few paltry launch games that don't utilize it's potential, and Blu Ray simply hasn't hit the mainstream enough to have a noticeable influence on the decision to purchase it. (I'm referring to mainstream buyers, young teenagers, families, etc.)
Sony did not market this system to the typical gaming crowds, being families and younger teens. They designed it to be a part of a high def entertainment center, and in that respects it's pretty much the cheapest component at $600, if you compare it to decent quality Home Theatre TV's and Speaker systems. However the people that would invest in such a setup are also fairly tech savvy, and aren't going to a buy a system that doesn't have any real eye catching games. Again, I'll clarify that this is at present.
It will change with time, as these systems always do. But for right now, the PS3 is waiting on the runway for clearance to take off, and all it needs is one or two amazing games to take it to that point.
Sony better do all it can to keep MGS4 ONLY on the PS3, because I truly think that title alone could help turn everything around, regardless of what happens in terms of sales in the next 6-10 months.
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