Analyst: Microsoft Loss in MP3 Case Sets Dangerous Precedent
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published February 23, 2007, 12:26 PM
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SCOTT FULTON, BetaNews: This goes back to something we talked about back during the whole NTP settlement thing: There is this legal quagmire, the existence of a cloud, which is the unresolved issue about what is patentable and what is not...Could the people who write ideas on napkins be using that cloud as leverage, saying, "You don't want to challenge me on my having the idea first, because then if we take it to court, we have to face this unresolved cloud, it's gonna take years, you're going to be bled dry, you don't want to go that way?"
CARMI LEVY, Info-Tech Research: Right, "So pay me now and we avoid this." It's a form of legal extortion in many ways, and it shifts the battleground, so to speak, from the marketplace to the courtroom...because now instead of battling it out against incumbent players who do successfully bring products based on the disputed technology to market, they simply threaten through some lawyers and hope to get a quick payout from that. Frankly, that is bad for the market because it does not incent companies to do the R&D, build out the business models, and go after a market. It essentially encourages companies with great ideas - but not a whole lot more - to take the shortcut, the easy way out, by suing those companies that did do their homework and pushed the bounds.
It's a lazy man's way to profitability and it's not sustainable, and ultimately it damages the market because it raises the overall level of uncertainty associated with bringing new products and services to market, and it forces innovative companies who do live at the leading edge of technology to constantly look over their shoulders and wonder where that next lawsuit is going to come from.
SCOTT FULTON: Suppose Microsoft is successful with the Supreme Court in overturning that [AT&T] appeal. Does this cloud then go away magically, and suddenly we have precedent saying that the idea isn't patentable but the implementation is? Suddenly, do the Napkin Writers of America retreat?
CARMI LEVY: I'm not a lawyer, so I can't really say whether the outcome of this one case will be influential enough to set that de facto precedent for all cases that come. But certainly it will color the legal thinking of the day, and it will push it in that direction such that, if there are additional rulings that go Microsoft's way - because let's face it, there are four more rulings to come just from the San Diego court alone - then it will set, if not a full-blown legal precedent, a marketing precedent that future judges and future lawyers will have no choice but to pay attention to.
SCOTT FULTON: I haven't seen any transcripts from this, but I would love to read just the closing arguments, just to see whether Alcatel's lawyer sent the jury into the deliberation room with either instructions to "Look at the facts, notice that we had the idea first, the idea was patented, the patent is valid, Fraunhofer only assisted our predecessor but we have the valid patent and Microsoft dealt with the wrong party, thus you have to find for us;" or did he pull a Johnnie Cochran? Did he say, "It's time to send a message to Microsoft that these guys are bad guys, and they've been badly behaving and it's time for you, dear jury, to spank them!"
CARMI LEVY: That's an unfortunate possibility, given Microsoft's recent and not-so-recent history: that it is the dominant player in the software space, that it has been involved in contentious litigation in the past, that it has been involved in antitrust investigations, and has been on the receiving end of unfavorable antitrust rulings on both sides of the Atlantic in the past, and that it is perceived by some as a somewhat large and overwhelming force in the market. Especially in a jury trial, it's hard to believe that you'd be able to find twelve individuals who would not have, at least at one point, been exposed to this. So certainly, a company's reputation - maybe at some point in the back of their minds - has to play into the deliberations.
Certainly there are some folks who see this as an opportunity to send that bigger message, that monopolies are bad and don't work in the consumer's best interest. There's a long history of market presence here that may or may not be playing in the minds of jury members as they sit in the back room.
SCOTT FULTON: If I am a customer of Fraunhofer Labs, or if I received my MP3 license from that MP3 licensing authority, which is made up of Fraunhofer and Thomson - which, by the way, is Alcatel-Lucent's arch rival in France - if I am Apple, Nullsoft [the AOL-owned manufacturer of Winamp], Intel - I have a Fraunhofer license. What do I do?
CARMI LEVY: You should be contacting your legal team and identifying what your potential vulnerability is, because if you are a vendor that is large enough to attract attention and has generated sufficient revenue based on the usage and implementation of these technologies, based on the outcome of the case with Microsoft, you could be next.
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Let's all go back to punch cards. Let's see them sniff those out and bust people.
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|As much as I don't like Microsoft, I agree with Babylon2x on this. Alcatel should have gone after Fraunhofer/Thomson for not properly distributing funds to them. I wish I knew more details about the case and the patent to have a better understanding of this case. From what I can tell Alcatel neglected to have proper agreements in place with the other companies concerning the MP3 patent thus they didn't receive their fair share of the profit. Alcatel should have just gone after Fraunhofer/Thomson, because I can only imagine has to how this could bring down the marketability of MP3s. Does this mean that Alcatel will now go after Apple, Nullsoft, Xine, MPlayer, DVD player manufacturers, car stereo manufacturers with MP3 capabilities (including automaker OEM units). Perhaps this would make OSS formats (such as Ogg Vorbis or Flac).
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|Frauenhofer is not to blame here. In fact the format is covered both by Frauenhofer mp3 patents and the new more trivial container patent.
Microsoft should urgently seek Us patent reform.
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|First, this is a Californian jury. Second, Microsoft will surely appeal. In the days of suing over burning yourself on hot coffee, anything is possible.
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|Aside from the political subject, as drbillbailey said, we could always switch to Ogg Vorbis... WHICH IS ALSO FAR BETTER SOUNDING THAN THE MP3 FORMAT.
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|We could always switch to Ogg Vorbis.
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|Wasn't there some 'grey area' regarding Ogg in that not be completely open-sourced and freely licensable? If so, it's in the same position as MP3 and isn't a very good alternative.
My vote for FLAC. Although many people still prefer heavily compressed audio. :P
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|I think "many people" just prefer compression ratios that are worth while. FLAC files are so large, you might as well use the CD audio format.
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|Ogg
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|I think that is very sad. On the other hand it was Microsoft which paid lobbyists who fought against software developer interests in Europe. Microsoft now learns it the hard way. Time for them to support patent reform and to change their mind.
Software patents are useless.
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|Yet another reason why juries should not be deciding patent infringement cases.
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|An easier idea is to make formats only a 2 year patent...
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|these patents are non-existing but of course everyone is free to let them lapse.
Patent examination takes 31 month in the US. Patents -- 20 years internationally, according to TRIPs. And the patent covers an object that has no value in software development, every single software patent is an insult of our creative developers. Either you side with the developers or with the lawyers.
Developers build our software, lawyers are corporate parasites.
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|Personally, I am also concerned by lawsuits like this. To my knowledge it is Fraunhofer/Thomson who licenses MP3 technology - the lawsuit should be brought against them, not any other. It is ridiculous. This is another victory for company greed, and another nail in the coffin for any hope of common sense.
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|I was trying to get into several paragraphs of mumbo-jumbo in order to come to that same conclusion, but who really cares to read my 7 paragraph comments anyways?
Agreed 100%. They should appeal, but guess which district they're in? Heh, those fools wouldn't even consider accepting an appeal over this--only if Microsoft won would they have quickley taken it and reversed it.
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|Just say no to patented formats.
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|Just say no to licensing. Build your own solutions and don't use anyone elses. That's the clear message here.
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This would be the most simple answer. There is genuinely no reason for patented formats being used when others are available which are equally as good, and better. It just needs a few of the major forces to make a stand and get the codecs/compatibility for the formats out in the open, meaning the less savvy engage in the uptake.
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|I think Mikkisoft has lot of patents too , sure they can put them free for everyone who needs them. Mikkisoft did wrong , it's like robbery , don't cry about that.
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|I don't remember there is a single case where MS sue someone else for using their patents.
Oh wait, I get it, another MS hater.
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|"Just say no to licensing. Build your own solutions and don't use anyone elses."
In theory that sounds so easy but wait till the next greedy company says I own the patent to compressing music into a smaller file size therefore regardless of the codec you still owe me money.
Of course every company using incompatible codecs etc leads to a very fragmented market. Imagine every mp3 manufacturer used their own codec and only sold music thru their own store. Like iPod/iTunes but there are 50 different companies and none of them work together.
This is a very bad outcome for consumers and business alike.
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|Time to start remembering - it was only a few days ago:
http://www.app.com/apps/...BUSINESS/702210368/1003
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|Seeing as the target of that suit is the intiator of this suit against MS, this looks more like leveraging and indirect fighting back. Is there a case where MS is not just counter-suing?
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