So I'm sitting here (as I do every workday) with a Windows box, a Linux box, and a Mac box, all part of my work (software development)

Overall, I find that the Mac the best - and I further claim that my day-to-day experience (for years) with all three environment gives me the right to make that claim without having to be seen or viewed as a fanatic. (I've justified my arguments for this claim in the past and won't bore anyone here).

In other words, I think people need to stop assuming that just because someone is arguing in favor of a particular environment, it doesn't mean that they have religious (i.e, non-rational) reasons for it, i.e, they learn!

--->preach on, the truth will ... I was going to say, set them free .. but Applefanboys never learn.

I'm not an Apple user. I've never been able to afford it. But it doesn't take a genius to realize that if your operating system is proprietary and you control the hardware on which it runs in addition to not having to deal with "backwards compatability" issues, you're going to have a better, more stable product. The fact that Vista is offering features that Apple has had for some time is symptomatic of that. Having said that, the reason M$ has the market share they do and will continue to dominate the market is that Windows will operate on a variety of platforms and usually supports that old program (or two or three) that I can't dispense with or justify the cost for a replacement. The discussion of which platform is better is irrelevant. Of course, Mac is better. Am I going to buy one? No.

Genius, the Mac is simply the latest incarnation of the 'Intel Roadmap'. They do not "control the hardware they run on." You can run OSX on a standard PC assuming the proper late generation chipsets are supported and that you update the BIOS to Intel's EFI. Oh....but...

Your ignorance is symptomatic of a greater problem. Ignorance bordering on stupidity. And its not like this info hasn't been easily available for a long time.

And you need not spend more money for a Mac then for a PC.

All you have left out of the 20 year old rant is that the Mac in 'incompatible' as they choose to go with the obtuse technology in 1993 open standard called "TCP/IP" rather than a proprietary NetBios. Yup, them Apples are just some seriously nefarious computers.

But thats the nice thing, if you don't want additional choices, you Don't have to buy it.
But in the mean time, get your head out of your @ss.

You can run OSX on a standard PC assuming the proper late generation chipsets are supported and that you update the BIOS to Intel's EFI. Oh....but...

Same damn thing. You can run OSX on hardware they've chosen to support. The exact opposite of Microsoft. They don't get to choose what companies, chipsets, or techs they support, and failure of 3rd party devs to create drivers (or software...or hardware) get's blamed on them anyway.

Point still stands. Mac is stable, due in a large part, to the limited scope of hardware supported.

...update your BIOS to EFI. Seriously...

*shakes head*

yeah right, that's what they all say, "we wont delay our OS" just look at freaking MS, i doubt that they wont delay it and as for me, i dont give a crap if it brings the bootcamp, i would rather install windows vista by myself on my own mac

Wow!

Such ire.

Such attitude.

Such panache.

Such angst.

But I guess for some, simply installing Vista is a life altering event.

Such...oh who cares.

Reason:

Apple quote their release dates as miles off in the future so that there is ****ing ages before they have to ship anything (they nobbed this up with the AppleTV).

Internal release dates differ drastically to those the public are told about.

Take the '2 year transition to Intel'.

They had OSX running on Intel chips from 2002 or possibly earlier.

Stick some chips in a new motherboard during those 3 years of planning, mass produce them.

There was no way it was going to take 2 years.

I can see why under-promising and over delivering would be a problem for many...

Especially as MS has a pattern of making an announcement years in advance of even having a clue as to what they will do.

So where is Cairo?

Stories like these why I never, ever pay attention to rumor sites or news. They are a complete waste of time.

like Betanews?

Like your posts.

Pot meet kettle, dumba**.

So witty, so erudite...

The high school chicks must drool when you walk by...but that is another testimony to the type of crowd you attract.

Congrats on working up to stringing several words together into a sentence.

We all are waiting in breathless anticipation at your combining a few words with a coherent thought. OK, well, maybe not breathless anticipation...OK, OK, and more than a few have no anticipation...But I am sure someone here cares. Well, it seemed reasonable for a few seconds, anyway.

Like your posts.

OS X leopard looks like a clone version of tiger with more clutter and to think that People actually believe that Vista was'nt a worth while upgrade .. well this is even WORSE. time machine? spaces? its really pathetic... but i know betanews and cnet and others will all give high ratings to this "new" OS and beg people to buy it.

The reason that people dont think Vista is a worthy upgrade is because...surprise, surprise... it ISNT a worthy OS, and that has been demonstrated on every independent review site. You cannot cite Microsoft's own funded surveys, because you would just be falling for their advertising again.

"but i know betanews and cnet and others will all give high ratings to this "new" OS and beg people to buy it"
I don't see anyone begging anyone to buy leopard. And people buy OSX because it works for them. People have their OS preference, and if you do not like someone else's preference, then be respectful and just don't buy it. That simple. You don't have to be an azzhole about it. You are just furthering the close minded PC stereotype. Way to go.

just to enlighten the MS fanboy i used windows for years and moved to Mac, back then i said WOW and not when vista was relesed.
I read cnet and beta news on regular base and till now then did not say buy mac then rated it hight as it is better that windows. Windows is good no doubt but mac is much better, try before you cry foul.

BTW when you posted the message did you press allow?

"OS X leopard looks like a clone version of tiger"

Get that window cleaned so you can see where you are going with your head up that orifice.

Yup. Its a clone. And Vista is a ....?

Here's a suggestion that will escape your limited mental capacity:
If you don't like it, don't use it.

The really funny thing is that we don't hear Mac folks b!tching about OSX to any great extent. Nor do we hear UNIX folks complaining about UNIX.

But we DO hear Windows folks b!tching about Lots of things Windows...be it XP, Vista or other MS tools.

Must really upset and confound you, doesn't it?

Well said.

Sure Vista is a worth while upgrade if you want an OS that's infested with DRM.

But we DO hear Windows folks b!tching about Lots of things Windows...be it XP, Vista or other MS tools.

10,000 out of 1,000,000 is going to be a lot louder than 100 out of 10000.

Just sayin'...

lmao..

You still think the DRM is for Vista's sake...

Silly troll.

Let me know how "infested with DRM" MacOSX is when they support Blu-Ray and HD-DVD Movies.

Close minded? Close minded is a website that gives low ratings to Vista, while neglecting to give ratings to Mac OS's. (Cnet)

Like it or not it doesnt take a "close minded PC stereotype" to see whats going on with websites and their biased nature. Even CNN did it, it plugged the Ipod during a Zune segment which was just un-professional, biased and insulting.

I tried it, got bored, theres nothing WOW about a dark screen full of dancing resource eaters.

and

I got tired of using Word on OS X, trying to make it work correctly and deal with its program crashing issues (older versions of OS X i do admit, but it proves that no OS is bulletproof.)

BTW, when you posted this message did you use Safari? (shutters)

Yup, as if MS's customer sat is as high as Apple's.

There, is that better for you? MS's ability to interpret and fix things (as well as the it's users) should be better as well, considering the absolute advantage they have had in having to do that...

Genius, DRM is platform neutral. It simply means that the owners of the said material retain fundamental control over it and they determine the conditions under which they distribute it.

Your choice is simply whether or not you agree to the terms.

If not, no need to whine and cry little baby, simply don't buy it.

It's not yours, nor do you have any rights to it except as defined by the EULA.

Yup, as if MS's customer is sat is as high as Apple's.

What?

Seriously, I know the words are all in english, but I still can't understand it. :p (Yeah, I know...it's early yet)

Yeah, I've had a few problems with CP/M myself!
(sigh)
--->older versions of OS X i do admit

Let's see. An application is supposedly designed to work on a particular OS platform, not an OS to work on an application.

Yup, blame the OS for the app not working. You deserve that PC and Windows. There you can blame the OS and be right a good percentage of the time!

...and yet, mac fanboys like you cant resist blaming vista for itunes incompatibilities...go figure.

Apple sounds more like Microsoft everyday.

More like MS? Because they are saying it will be released on time?

I don't follow...

On time and secure? Thats about as far away as Apple can get from MS...
Just ignore "frankwick" He is a known MS troll.

I don't know about that. If they were more like Microsoft, then there would actually be people buying their products.

HA HA AH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry - couldn't resist.

Please, read Financial Tomes or others before posting! do you know how many zeros are there in 1 billion dollars as profit that apple has posted last quarter?

Actually if you replace the word 'Apple' with the word 'Microsoft' then it does actually sound like Microsoft. Just read the article again outloud .... see ... just telling it like it is.
I think Apple's next OS should be called 'Kangaroo' ( It's a hop over the competition, We've got you in our pouch )or maybe 'The Dinglebert release' - I haven't come up with a slogan yet but it's on the tip of my tongue.

Apple is lauging at you.

They had their biggest quarter in history last quarter. haha?
They had the most windows switchers ever last quarter. haha?
They have a higher market capitalization than DEll. hah?
Their marketshare continues to grow in all segments. haha?

Did you buy an iPod? or are one of the 3 poorasses that didnt?

When was the last time you bought a MS product?
5years ago when XP came free with your computer? Office that you can also get for free? I bet you bought Windows Live OneCare...

Facts are your friend.

Huh...

Color me confused, but didn't they just release a bunch of updates for OSX?

Honestly, I think you'll see as Apple grows, and more people use their OS's, you'll see fixes and bugs and all sort of stuff become more prominent...just like you do in Windows.

/e shrug

how am I a known MS troll? I have NEVER been accused of this before. Please find where someone has claimed me as a MS troll.

That was the lamest attempt at comedy I have ever read. Wow

They had their biggest quarter in history last quarter. haha? (Their bigegst quarter is *nothing* compared to Microsoft's worst...)

They had the most windows switchers ever last quarter. haha? (3 more than last year, eh?)

They have a higher market capitalization than DEll. hah? (The AppleTax™ is working!)

Their marketshare continues to grow in all segments. haha? (100% growth of 3% is still only 6 percent)

Did you buy an iPod? or are one of the 3 poorasses that didnt? Nah, bought something better.

When was the last time you bought a MS product? 1 month ago. Windows Vista Ultimate.

5years ago when XP came free with your computer? Office that you can also get for free? I bet you bought Windows Live OneCare... Yes, No, and No.

Facts are your friend.

Especially when you're not blinded by fanaticism.

preach on, the truth will ... I was going to say, set them free .. but Applefanboys never learn.

And the reason your userid is "PC_TOOL" is.... ?

--->Especially when you're not blinded by fanaticism.

I would say they are doing pretty well. At least they are not forced into being abused by Windows.

They get a choice as to whether they are masochists or not.

You can read?

Wow....how...original.

hahahhaahahahah GCoder sounds like a real jerk wad.