The only problem with this approaxh is that Apple was heavily advertising their IMac for a sales push and now those folks have to shell out more money to upgrade. Also, Leopard was suppose to come out months ago but kept being delayed as Apple milked the market with their high price phone and sily new Ipod and then set people up to but the Imac and the have to pay more.

I am sure by updates for tiger they mean bug fixes, I would think it would be unethical to not provide security fixes to a os that most mac users will be running, at least for the next few years anyway.

AS for it being on p2p pirated, that is a given. A popular os like this with no activation features is a prime target. However thanks to it only being able to run on apple's computers that does assure that apple gets money at least in some respects.

Now if this was an os that competes with vista on oem computers from multiple vendors this woudl be a much bigger thing.

I think its almost safe to say we would see a huge increase in market share for apple if they released it on the regular pc. I would use it, simply because I enjoy building my own. This is one thing I belive has kept apple at such a low market share. The fact they keep on building their own computers and don't allow the os to be bought and used on our own systems, now that its on Intel hardware, I really don't see the reason for it.

As for bootcamp beta being pulled, why would you keep a beta up if the final version is released? You get it as part of the new os which I would assume a lot of mac users will be buying anyway. I know if I had a mac I would.

this is a common practice for OS companies... MS does this too. remember MS defender? Or Virtual PC. Or how about MCE? Basically those were tested on XP and windows 2000 and then once Vista came out it became almost impossible to get them again on XP. Without hacking out the OS version limitations I should say...

Apples been notorious for doing this on a greater scale in the past. so its not too big a surprise.

There is so much fail in your post I don't know where to begin...

Virtual PC

The Virtual PC application requires a 400 MHz Pentium-compatible processor (1.0 GHz or faster recommended), and requires approximately 20 MB of disk space. It runs on Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.

MS Defender

nimum system requirements for Windows Defender:
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Personal computer with an Intel Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) or higher processor; Pentium III recommended.
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Operating system: Windows XP Service Pack 2 or later, or Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 or later.
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64 megabytes (MB) of RAM (minimum); 128 MB RAM (recommended).
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20 MB of available hard disk space.
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Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later.
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Internet access with at least a 28.8 Kbps connection.
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Windows Installer version 3.1 or higher. Visit the Microsoft Download Center to download the installer.

MCE was originally a separate OS, but MS decided that Vista should have it as well.

All your points have nothing to do with what Apple is doing.

Apple will not update it anymore and if you had to reformat you wouldn't be able to reinstall it unless you saved it to disk.

I installed defender on a copy of XP today. Googled it, clicked twice and installed it.

"Almost impossible", you say?

I *must* be a friggin' genius. Damn those IQ tests. They really need to include a +/-4 point variance in there.

I never understood why media center edition was considered its own version of os. I mean its just the application media center which is run from the xp. I personally never use it and if it wasn't for the fancy effects in home premium of vista I could of done without.

As for virtual pc, I think virtualbox is much nicer and also runs on mac.

As for this news story I have no doubt this happens all the time. Unlike microsoft though I think a lot of people are happy to dish out the reasonable 125 dollar price tag for such a good os, that actually does a good job of competition with vista feature for feature. Not to mention no activation which is always appreciated.

I never understood why a company which has always made a rediculous amount of money and keeps on growing would need to go to such lengths to have activation. I mean it seems to hurt people that are legit more then it hurts those who are not. Anyone can get around it with a 5 min google search.

Boot Camp was never a Tiger feature. They just let Tiger owners beta test it.

You get a cookie. :) Most efficient, logical, and meaningful post in this entire thread.

Why is it that no-one can take a freebie when they get it and not complain when the deal's time is up?

Oh, that's right, the majority of folks do just that. It's just the drooling trolls that will jump at any excuse to find fault.

Leopard is almost here! Getting a Mac Book Pro with it this weekend. Lots of other people sick of the turd that is Vista and other M$ crapware/bug ridden/virus-ware software will be make the switch too.

$129 for a feature packed OS, which will be cloned by M$ in Windoze 2020 or whenever they release their next pile of bugware. LOL. Window 2020 Ultimate Super Bestest Version will only set you back $599 a copy! LMAO. But we will sell you a crippled version for $199.

Oh and btw, you can only install it on one PC. LMAO. Who in their right mind would pay M$ for that turd Vista?

The thing does not even work unless you have a supercomputer with the latest 3D card and at least 2GB of RAM. And even then, its performance stinks. No thanks M$....keep your DRM infested OS with its network card slowing crap to yourself. A real OS, Leopard, is here.

"Who in their right mind would pay M$ for that turd Vista?"

About 90% of PC users.

most pc users who can not afford a mac or play games something of which macs can't do very well.

What you fail to understand over and over, is you can buy an oem version of ultimate for $179, that is typically what most people that wish to upgrade their OS.

The majority though will buy it with their computer.

Apple wants to charge its users to pay for a new OS every 12-18 months. (In case you can't add that would equate to 3 new OS within the MS timeline, so basically you would be paying the same amt for a retail box of vista ultimate)

All the issues you have listed have been fixed as well or will be in sp1, I am sure Leopard will have no problems and be perfect in everyway...keep dreaming...

The DRM is only to play CONTENT that REQUIRES it, it does not lock your files, nor does it prevent you from watching illegal movies, music or games.

Vista and other M$ crapware/bug ridden/virus-ware software

their next pile of bugware

Window 2020 Ultimate Super Bestest Version will only set you back $599 a copy!

does not even work unless you have a supercomputer with the latest 3D card and at least 2GB of RAM.

DRM infested

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Christ Almighty, you fabois must really love Apple to pay $100 for the equivalent of a Windows Service Pack.

what else are they going to use that 100$ coupon they got for that unfair price break they did on the Iphone.

I hardly think that adding a Norton Ghost like backup feature to the OS is a service pack.

Boot Camp itself is worth the $129, at least to me.

That said, you can buy a 5 PC license of OS X 10.5 for $199 total.

That is a good value.

I still prefer Windows XP but hey, it's fun to mess with an alternative.

what else are they going to use that 100$ coupon they got for that unfair price break they did on the Iphone.

You have a pretty skewed definition of "unfair"...

I Know I never heard them promise there'd be no decrease.

Nice!! People are not freaked out about no more Tiger updates??? How can business people still buy from this vendor??? If M$ stopped supporting XP within 2 years of vista's they would get everyone freaking out!!! Students are rich and should keep buying apple products..

I think you misread this. It's referring to no more updates of Boot Camp for Tiger users.

This is not specified in the article.

It's unlikely that Apple will provide further updates to Tiger owners

They were discussing Boot Camp in the sentence before, but this itself is no clear indication.

Are you sure? Or did you fail to read the rest of the sentence after the "further updates to Tiger owners..." part?

Funny how people tend to stop reading after commas, only filtering in the parts that matter most to their agenda.

is it legal to leech this then if no serial is required? you arent buying a unique product so I am assuming yes.

The product is still copyrighted and as such, all copyright laws apply.

Thats a pretty strong armed thing to do to their customers.

Im not a MS fanboy but they would get nailed to the cross for removing a feature through a windows update.

It was only a beta, not an officially released feature.

Doesnt matter. The whole idea behind pulling it is to strong arm people using it into upgrading to Leopard. Not saying it isn't within their right, but they let the cat out of the bag by putting it on the current OS. To pull it just doesn't seem right to me.

um.. 1) you will still be able to use your BootCamp partition, 2) it's a beta, Apple holds the right of removing it FOR DOWNLOAD from their website anytime.
Again, BootCamp has been removed from Apple.com, NOT from ANYONE'S computer.

Besides, OSX Leopard is only 109 dollars on www.macmall.com, so.. :)

I get you...

they didn't remove the feature so much as they removed the free beta download. i think the bootcamp betas will run until december sometime to give IT the chance to upgrade to leopard after launch. i could be wrong. this could be longer. i can't be sure.

damn you guys post fast

I hope they do not cause existing versions of Boot Camp to stop working. I'd like not to be rushed into upgrading.

Boot Camp will continue to work fine, but you will not be able to make changes to the partition and no addition driver upgrades will be provided.

it would be a shame yes, but look what they did to the iphones! i herd mac updates can be deadly.. pretty buy deadly :(

Spend a few bucks and get parallels.

I already have Parallels. I use it to run Linux distros in VM's. Upgraded the iMac to 2 gig and it gives me plenty of room.

I prefer Boot Camp for XP, since it gets you exclusive access to the hardware, which means better performance and less hassle, but I do sometimes run Windows in a VM under Parallels.

Have not upgraded to Parallels 3 yet - just version 2 - works for me for now. Maybe I'll upgrade to 3 later.

let's not forget virtualbox

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