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GTFO...

I think it's just people who need to be seen with an iPhone to give themselves a false sense of high self esteem. A few actually want it for all the features it brings (which is less than the Blackjack).

Admittedly as a phone the iphone pretty much sucks. But for the choice few that actually use their phone for more of a portable e-mail/web device like me it is actually hard to beat. If I was buying it because I was mainly going to use it for a phone/text device though I probably wouldn't give it a second look. The lack of MMS sucks and the speakerphone is unusable. For example on speakerphone whoever you are talking to will hear everything they say back to them. The sound on it is not loud enough either. So basically if you are looking for a portable web browser/e-mail device it works great. The rest is kind of meh.

Or there's people like yourself who secretly envy those who have one and dream of the day when they can actually afford one but do a great job at pretending they don't want one for whatever lame reason and mocking those who do have one.

Personally, I'm glad that my best friend was a launch-day guinea pig last year. At no additional cost to me, I've learned first-hand what a disappointment it's been since day one... and so has he.

I will agree that it's a neat device, and I've rarely turned down the opportunity to use it whenever he offers. It's simply because of the (at the time) unique interface, and definitely not for the features compared to other smart phones. The appeal of most of Apple's products have rarely been about what they offer, but instead how you use them.

My coworker recently upgraded to a Tilt, and I'm seriously leaning that direction as well.

I think it's those people, but more people who just want a phone with a decent UI. Seriously, phones with a simple UI haven't existed since they started mucking around with cameras and MMS.

If you can't understand the iPhone hype, I suggest perhaps you haven't tried it. The hype is overstated - but the iPhone UI is not. Hopefully copycats like Samsung and HTC can pickup the ball and give all the features that pedantic people need in the same or better UI.

"The sound on it is not loud enough either."

I agree completely. The speakers as a whole are generally worthless. At least give the option of getting within 5 miles of distortion on those pitiful excuses for sound reproduction. What's the use of a media player if you can barely hear the thing at max volume? Not everyone wants to be tethered to ear buds all the time...

Surprised to hear that from *you* who doesn't fail to jump on an opportunity to boast how great he is based on all the toys, projectors, 4 wheels... I lost track what came up over the months...

How irritating - now there is this new status symbol and you simply don't care for it ;-)

This comment officially places you in the kiddie section. It seems to be around 1000/y handset + contract, which is a hand full of hours work for many of the people you keep annoying. Not any longer here, I wished they had an ignore button.

It's not a simple/decent UI. Most regular phones have a simpler and more decent UI for being a *phone*. They are single hand operated without the need of stroking and touching pretty images one needs to look at to operate.

I think the iPhone is cool but in the gadget rather than phone section.

LOL. I manage wireless PDAs and the Blackjack doesn't come close. Keep in mind the Blackjack II only exists because the Blackjack I was such a dog battery hog. Stay tuned for the Blackjack III. It looks promising.

The orignal iPhone was a 1.0 product and it still beats the pants off of PDAs and companies that have been around for generations (in the PDA world).

You obviously didn't see the people buying the new iPhone. Most were regular Joes, not the bleeding edge early adopters of the original iPhone. The iPhone has reached the masses.

Stroking and touching pretty images??? Must... Resist... Nah, too easy.

I agree that "phones" are good one handed devices, but the iPhone is comparable to a PDA (not a phone) which is *not* a one handed device and neither a good phone (ignoring Blackberrys and the occasional Treo, of course). I also submit that iPhone can be easily used with one hand and Bluetooth.

I've deployed 10 Tilts so far in a pilot. With push e-mail & bluetooth the battery is *less* than a day. They also need rebooted every few days (or more) to keep the phone working. The browser renders like an Etch-a-Sketch. Good luck. Oh, and they are more expensive than an iPhone from a corporate standpoint.

Your comments regarding the iPhone phone are disingenuous at best. The original iPhone speakerphone was weak but useable. It is better in the 2nd generation.

LOL...The speakerphone was terrible and you know it! All the reviews said so as well. Pull off the fanboy glasses there bub. "Your comments regarding the iPhone phone are disingenuous at best." What did I say that is not true? These are not thing that I pulled out of my a** they are things that I found from *gasp* actually using the product! So if you are going to start calling my comments "disingenuous" how about posting something to back it up instead of pissing and moaning like an ignorant fanboy.

"I also submit that iPhone can be easily used with one hand and Bluetooth."

I agree... when you're disconnecting the call. :)

I must admit that I have not had the necessary exposure to it that would allow me to make a well-informed decision. Initial impressions were fairly positive, though.

Thanks for the heads up on those observations.

i actually can afford 3 with my check son, can your iphone run homebrew or emulators to play old games?? yes? no? well i dont think so son

dont feed the troll ;) even when you feel like it

i'd agree with the vouchers comment. i'm still waiting for mine to come in.

Amazing how many people have to have the most current device on the market. Tons of money are thrown away everyday on toys that in reality are not needed all in the name of being one up on somebody else. Mean while the charities suffer because of consumer greed for new toys. This is not pointed at just this phone but many new power toys.

Some people just have that desire to have the newest thing. It's not just phones. It's TVs, media sales, new hardware for PCs, etc.

I wonder how people have that sort of disposable income, as well. I nursed along my brick of a Nokia phone (monochrome screen and all) for 7 years until the AC adapter broke. That's when I upgraded.

I too live in the land of "Oh! Shiny! Want!", I just worry about having to pay for the expenses that come with it in the long run.

I guess you don't understand?

You ain't kool unless you have the latest Apple gadget. If you don't have the money, no problem, just charge it on the credit card.

No, YOU don't understand.

But its fascinating how you attempt to link this lifestyle choice to Apple and not to the warped values of the individuals who choose not to exercise their personal control and ability to make decisions.

Be it Vista, the iPhone, iPod, Zune (ok, bad example as no one seems to be making anyone buy them ;-) , XBox360, Cabbage Patch doll, Beeney Baby, PS3 & Blu-Ray (ok, maybe not a very good examples either!)...or whatever is trendy today...

But then, by your illogic, none of the folks so 'affected' are responsible - and they are just poor victims.

Its not their fault that they stood in line like fools for 14 hours for a store to open! Its Apple's fault! LOL!

I guess we know how you vote...you won't be happy until we are ALL victims!

*Laughing*

*my*

*ass*

*off*

Oh *whine*...

They're buying toys with their money instead of giving it away....

*cries for the children*

I have 3 Televisions, 2 Cell phones, 5 computers, and 2 cars. I suppose I could have just given all that money away, but guess what?

I earned it.

I *wanted* those things.

...so I bought them.

...and you know what? You can go ahead and give us all a sob story about how the charities are suffering, but we all know the real problem here:

You're either jealous of their ability to "throw money away", you want one of your own and couldn't afford it, or you've got some *serious* "victim mentality" issues.

Me? I don't really care for the iPhone and will probably never own one. But I'll justify that by it's lack of functionality and price instead of whining about how it's responsible for any supposed "suffering".

But its fascinating how you attempt to link this lifestyle choice to Apple and not to the warped values of the individuals who choose not to exercise their personal control and ability to make decisions.

I do hope you're not lumping everyone who buys one of these things in that category.

While waiting in line may be above and beyond the line of reason, simply owning one doesn't automatically mean you lack control or an ability to make wise decisions. ;)

That is not the point at all. For once I will say that you are full of s***. Greed has ruined society. Just becuase you can afford something does not mean you need it. I guess the 5 PC's and such makes you real cool. I can buy one if I want I just dont see the point. I have a cell phone and you know what it works as good as the any other phone out there. I could give a s*** about surfing the web on phone or texting. I bet you are one of the asses that sends text messages while driving. You totally missed my point and you know what with some peoples arrogance I am not surprised it goes over their heads.

Dude, I got you beat, I have 4 Televisions, 3 Cell phones, 7 Computers, 2 Cars and 1 Piper Saratoga:-)LMAO

I guess the 5 PC's and such makes you real cool.

Exactly my point.

You can't fathom why anyone would need it, so "obviously", they're wasting money.

What a frakking joke.

I own a server, my desktop, and 3 laptops. One for me, one for my wife, and one for my children (they currently share, but as they get older will need their own). Each has a use, and each is necessary (the server stores all of our data and acts as our Media storage pool as well. I use my personal laptop as a media center when we need to play server-stored movies on the TVs).

But then...

*gasp*

I might have 7!!!!1

OH NOES!!!

Take your self-righteous, holier than thou, "subsistence lifestyle" BS somewhere else.

I bet you are one of the asses that sends text messages while driving.

Assuming makes you an ass. I pull over whenever I receive a call on the road and call them back if it's already been missed. I have texted all of...3 times, I think. (My wife seems to like sending "cute" texts)

You totally missed my point and you know what with some peoples arrogance I am not surprised it goes over their heads.

You call me arrogant after posting your own false assumptions and judging others based solely on their material possessions.

I take it you don't know the meaning of hypocrisy?

tell it to my 5 year old, falling apart piece of s***, nokia 6600.

i get your point but please don't stereotype everyone.

Yes, you do.

I don't even know what a piper saratoga is.

Off to Google...

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Ahh, a plane. Nice. Never got around to taking flying lessons. Had the interest, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. Give me a few years. ;)

^ this is precisely the attitude responsible for human degeneration. Charity doesn't even have to be a selfless thing. One can only hope the next Einstein or Plato doesn't die for lack of water at the age of 2 while some fat unmotivated pimple-faced 1st world slob dumps 600 on a new game console. The only thing that can save us is another great deluge.

FYI: The phrase above is called sarcasm / humor. Not exactly 'erudite' but it has its uses occasionally...

Don't wait too long it's getting more expensive everyday. A couple of years ago it cost me under $200 to fill my 102 gallon tanks, last night it cost me $693.60

I'm with PC by the way. I make a good living every year and the things I buy show exactly how wasteful I can be. But it's my money, I earned it and I can spend it any way I choose.

I'll neve buy one of those overpriced iPod / phones either. But it's nice to know I can afford it (and then write it off at the end of the year).

I wont list all the crap I own but most people think I'm insane. Yes, my children are spoiled, but extemely grateful for everything they get handed to them.

I run the air conditioning with the windows open, rev the engine at stop lights, leave all the lights and TV's on 24 hours a day. No one has a bigger carbon footprint than me.

Hate to say it, but Al Gore might be beating you.

Lol!

Heh..

Sad but true.

Ouch...

Of course, still worth every penny, I presume?

Oh, FFS...

Spare me your "selfless" BS.

You can whine about the poor children in Djibouti when you sell your PC, Car, and House and give it all away to them.

Hypocrite.

Yep, but everyone pays their share of fuel and oil now, even my girlfriend.

Actually, I go through a period at least once a year where I'm astonished sometimes at how many things I purchase that I don't really need... but it's my money, I earned it, and I'll spend it however I wish.

I just like buying "stuff"... dunno. My home definitely isn't boring, and it keeps me content. If it were to ever spontaneously burst into flames for whatever reason, I'll expect to hear Tyler Durden's comforting voice in my head: "Well, you did lose a lot of versatile solutions for modern living".

"I wont list all the crap I own but most people think I'm insane."

Same here bud... especially since I live by myself with 1 server, 1 general-use PC (mainly for guests), 1 gaming PC, and 1 media center / emulation PC in the living room.

By the way Hollywood__ (off-topic)... did you happen to hear rumors of SlikStik filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy? I found this out right as I was about to order a custom panel.

You are making the basic conservative (US) American mistake of applying your value system to others (and thinking it is superior). Quality of life has nothing to do with your white picket fence...
Now you also address a different point. You posted your provocative message about owning and purchasing beyond one's needs, without care for anyone else, which I personally cannot only justify to my conscience for exactly the reason mentioned above. Instead of buying that other TV you don't need - try donating the money for once. Each leads to a certain sense of satisfaction. The 2nd in your case to a sense of superiority - who cares..?

Meh... That kinda sucks. :p

I'd at least let the family/GF go free. Especially if invited.

But then again, I don't currently own a plane, so....

Hey, genius,

Isn't that *exactly* what he was doing?

(Telling everyone else how he thinks they should spend their money?)

Wasn't I actually arguing *against* that?

I personally don't give a rats a** what you do with *your* money. My problem is whiny, sniveling, hypocrites like him trying to tell *me* what to do with *mine*.

Try reading it again there, sparky.

Quality of life has nothing to do with your white picket fence...

Well, that all depends on the picket fence and how badly I want one, now doesn't it?

2nd in your case to a sense of superiority - who cares..?

I *love* how I can tell some jackass to quit whining about how *I* spend *my* money, only to be told I'm being "Superior". Yet, you deign to tell me how to spend what I've earned, make wild-eyed assumptions about my charitable leanings and presume to imagine me as some uncaring glutton. What in the world makes you think you have *any* say at all how someone else spends their money? How do you rationalize thinking you have just is much say in how I spend my hard-earned money as I do? Did you earn any of it? Did you work for me?

How's *your* superiority complex doing? Seems a little overblown to me...

try donating the money for once.

Are you really that dense? Do you think your lame-ass assumptions carry any weight? What on God's Green Earth makes you think I *haven't* donated?? "For once"???? Put a lid on all your grand selflessness and realize, for once, that people can enjoy life *and* help others.

FWIW, I donated over 6 grand last year through my business alone(Not including personal donations). Not that you'll think that's nearly enough, nor that it's even relevant to my original point.

Again, take the whiny, "my morals are better than yours" BS elsewhere. Don't presume to tell me how to spend my money.

I just love their ability to glean from my above comment that I "apparently" don't donate...

..and then attempt to use that in some argument (as below) that I should try it...for once.

*shakes head*

...and they think *I* have superiority issues. (Which I don't doubt, but it's not because of the money, it's simply because I'm a jerk. I never needed money for that...)

Sorry, stack overflow... Just look in the mirror with your accusations. Now you come crawling to defend how generous you are after sounding like an ass.

The guy you originally attacked just made a brief comment about skewed value systems which you responded to with insults so I guess he hit a nerve...

Yes you can, until it comes to light that to enable your privileges your government has supported dictators practicing genocide and hated by their population and now they come blowing up your s*** and turn your admin into fascists.

Listening to this shallow crap of 'I earned it' by people who were lucky enough to be born at the right time in the right place and now boasting about their privileges instead of being modest and grateful while others die for lack of essentials makes me sick.

No. He accused people who bought it of causing the charities to suffer.

Reread his post.

So sit there judging others based solely on their income (accusing them of being greedy asses) all you want.

Now you come crawling to defend how generous you are after sounding like an ass.

Heh... Can't win. I respond or don't. If I do, I'm "crawling back", if I don't, I'm "guilty as charged".

Sorry, pal. You can go ahead and assume that just because I have 3 televisions I do not donate, but don't piss and moan when I come back and call you on it.

I guess he hit a nerve...

Indeed. As will anyone trying to tell me I am causing harm by spending my money as I see fit. As I would expect you to react if I suddenly told you that you should sell your PC and should donate it...because if you don't, you're an immoral bas****. ;)

*laughs*

Typical...

Everyone who ever made a dime apparently did so because they were born at the right place at the right time.

No-one ever worked hard or actually *did* anything to earn it...

Yeah... you'd love that. You'd rather the government handed it out based on some hair-brained morality baseline.

'Typical' is only your inner wiring. I don't compare you or Holly to shining examples of successful citizens to look up to. You are just the average conservative middle aged (probably) white alpha-male conditioned Americans riding the waves from what I read in your posts.

Sigh... It's just so uninspiring dealing with righteous conservatives. Last attempt:

He said none of these things, why don't you read his post *yourself*. He pointed out that in today's society people rather waste money on useless crap without thinking twice if they need it rather than using it for something, that according to globally accepted ethics would be a good deed. Your arrogant response to his statement makes you an a** in my books.

*STILL LAUGHING*

Yes...

Of course...

How arrogant of me to tell him to stop whining about how people spend *their* money.

How selfless of you all to be so eager to tell me how to spend *mine*.

I think you're confused on the meaning of arrogance.

lmao...

You are just the average conservative middle aged (probably) white alpha-male conditioned Americans riding the waves from what I read in your posts.

There you go again.

Got me pegged, do ya?

yeah...your not the *least* bit arrogant, going around judging everyone. You'd make a good little Catholic...

hey dude if you want it buy it... that's it

hey hey hey pc watch out about the catholic comments

1m sold, but there are 2,499 million other mobile phones out there.

Congratulations Apple on your 0.04% market share.

it's been 3 days. i'd say selling 1M in 3 days is quite impressive.

got my 3G iPhone on Friday. Had to wait about a hour and a half. This is an amazing device.

Verizon tried to sell me the Touch or some garbage iPhone clone. I laughed at them and said there is nothing on the market which can hold a candle to the iPhone. No thanks.

Amazing...he managed to wait the 1.5 hours and lived to tell the tale!

"I laughed at them and said there is nothing on the market which can hold a candle to the iPhone."

Dude, the only one that should be laughing is Apple and AT&T. You just got locked into a 2 year contract that will cost you $2100+ including the iPhone.

it's $1975 (http://gizmodo.com/50155...3gs-true-price-compared) ... only 160 more than the original iphone over two years and close to if not cheaper than some alternative phones.

so ... take 160 bucks and invest it wisely and in two years you might have 10x that amount.

Someone at work bought one and told me it would cost her a little over $2100 over the 2 years.

Well the way I see it, 2100 on a phone that does what all the iphone does is a lot better then spending 1600 over 2 years on that POS samsung phone that can't surf the way in the same way the iphone does, doesn't have an ipod built in and doesn't have the app store, oh yeah it can't do gaming either, in the same light. Doesn't have a touch screen either, and the coolness factor doesn't exist.

So yeah I think I would rather spend 700 dollars more on a phone over 2 years, use the hell out of it for everything.

Why is it that people sit around saying the iphone is SO EXPENSIVE and SUCH a rip off??!! I never in my life heard of someone comparing the monthly service fee to the price of the device itself. I mean if I had been doing that the whole time, that free black and white Nokia from 1997 would of been a pretty bad deal eh?

What they are doing is absolutely nothing new, black jack, black berry, windows mobile phones all do the same crap, and yet no one complains like this. Not about contracts, or activations or pricing. In fact they don't talk about it at all. They also don't wait in line 300 deep on opening day like the second coming is happening. If you don't want it or its too expensive, don't get it! Go get your go phone and be happy!

Good deal or not, that's not really the point. If Apple made the iPhone available in its unlocked form. I don't think there would be as many complaints. If someone really wanted an iPhone they'd have to settle for AT&T. If I wanted that POS Samsung I could go to any store and buy it. And then I can decide which carrier to use and whether or not I want to spend $200 or $20.000 on a plan. The whole problem I think is choice, and with Apple you just don't get a choice it's always take or leave it. But obviously it's worth it to those who buy it.