RSSApple releases OS X 10.5.3, users report problems
By Ed Oswald | Published May 30, 2008, 11:11 AM
The update to Apple's operating system fixes a multitude of its security vulnerabilities, but some users are reporting issues with graphics and Adobe CS3 after upgrading.
Along with fixing issues with incorrect fonts, video and audio playback, and wireless network connectivity, at least two dozen security issues were patched.
Mac OS X's Web server, based on Apache, has been updated. This was done by upgrading the version shipped with Mac OS X from 2.0.55 to 2.0.63, which addresses several issues, including a cross-site scripting vulnerability.
Adobe's Flash player was also updated in order to deal with a code execution risk. Apple said multiple issues are present, and the solution is to update to the latest version of Flash, 9.0.124.0.
Character encoding issues that could cause information disclosure have also been remedied, as well as kernel problems which could cause either the end user or attacker to cause an unexpected system shutdown.
Apple said an issue continues to exist with sending mail through an SMTP server over IPv6 which may cause the application to crash, put data at risk, or open a code execution hole.
Otherwise, code execution flaws have also been fixed in AppKit, Apple Pixlet Video, Apple Type Services, CoreFoundation, CoreGraphics, HelpViewer, iCal, and ImageIO.
More information on the specific vulnerabilities and fixes can be found on the Apple Web site.
The update process has not been smooth for everyone. Following the upgrade, users who were attempting to save files over a network in Adobe CS3 discovered some new issues along the way. Some of the problems first reported in 10.5.2 also apparently are still not corrected in the new version, according to some users.
Apple is aware of the Adobe CS3 problem, but the company says it's not widespread enough at this time to warrant significant testing to fix it, according to a report by AppleInsider.
I said it once and I'll say it again. All you people who buy Apple products just to appear special or more important are retards.
And there's a lot of you out there.
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|where did that random spite comment come from? lol
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|Same place yours come from?
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|Not all people, just the people here.
Never cease to amaze me.
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|I said it once and I'll say it again. All of you people who buy Microsoft products just to appear special or more important are retards.
And there's a lot of you out there.
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|this coming from a apple user who buys based on looks.
HAH!
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|*laughing*
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
It's fascinating watching you prove your stupidity over and over again.
...let me know when you get to Junior High/Middle School.
He keeps commenting. His comments come from somewhere. Probably the same place the comments from the guy he's responding to come from.
Moron.
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|stuffed up something
edited out
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|LOL... there's something stuffed up Setian Stalker real good alright. hahahahaha
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|yeah real mature
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|NO PROBLEMS HERE WHATSOEVER. Only CS3 users that have intalled ILLEGAL CRACKS are having problems. THATS IT. NOTHING TO EVEN WRITE A STORY ABOUT. GET YOUR INFO STRAIGHT.
stop making a mountain out of a mole hill...
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|Yeah, this is clearly an over-exaggerated piece of non-news. OS X has been without any problems WHATSOEVER for so many years; just like anything else that comes from Apple.
All OS X-related bugs must have been falsely reported by Apple haters, because clearly Apple products do not have bugs.
Silly BN.
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|your sarcasm belies your blind ignorance.
It was a good laugh tho!
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|Then get your a** over to http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ee6b362/ and explain to all the legit and identifiable users who are having problems that they are using crack.
Keep your bulls*** ****ed up speculation to yourself, it doesn't help those who are clearly not using cracks and having issues.
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|Nope. RE-READ the FORUMS MORON.
YOU CANT EVEN READ CORRECTLY BWAHAHAH!
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|Are you trying to say people like Robert Goldstein are wrong?
There is a known problem, period. The logic of you people just astounds me. If there is a problem with macOS its all bulls***, problem with vista? oh good god its the worst peice of crap ever made.
By the way, they are still waiting on your 'Only CS3 users that have intalled ILLEGAL CRACKS are having problems' explination.
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|Caps Lock broke?
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|Wait, OS X has problems?? How is that possible? I thought "it just works" ?
"The update to Apple's operating system fixes a multitude of its security vulnerabilities"
Wait, what? Apple's OS has vulnerabilities? That's unpossible. I thought only Microsoft's OS had that according to the Apple zealots and Apple's non-stop TV ads. Oh delicious irony.
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|"That's unpossible." (^__^) LOL.
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|Don't worry, he is clueless.
He hasn't a clue as to differences in poor coding and fundamental OS security design features.
But then a Windows fanboy wouldn't - if only to be able to continue to make the same specious claims he does.
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|Yeah that fundamental OS security design.
http://news.softpedia.co...s-Unscathed-82079.shtml
Safari is an Apple product, Flash is not a Windows product.
He was also making a joke, something most people on this forum have a hard time with...but keep up the elitist attitude
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|"He hasn't a clue as to differences in poor coding and fundamental OS security design features."
And I suppose YOU do? Apple zealots like you really crack me up. Always spouting some BS and trying to sound smart. You bought an over priced piece of junk and now you act like your s**t doesn't stink. Oh please, educate me on poor coding and fundamental OS security design features. Or does your infinite wisdom end with those words right there? What is it that you're implying exactly? I'm assuming you're saying that Microsoft = poor coding, right? A legion of well paid and very experienced coders working on a multi billion dollar project write poor code, whereas zit faced kids writing code for free, then some crappy company "borrowing" that code and hacking it up is somehow better? Nice try dips**t. If OS X is so great and has such amazing OS security design features, then why are they finding more and more holes in it all the time? Answer that one smart guy.
"But then a Windows fanboy wouldn't - if only to be able to continue to make the same specious claims he does."
What claims have I made exactly? You can't come up with a decent argument or retort, so you fabricate some more BS. Typical Apple idiot. I didn't make _any_ claims. I was simply astounded by the fact that Apple advertises "it just works" yet they have a mile long list of problems. They also pretend like their OS is impenetrable, which anyone with half a brain knows CANNOT be true in the computer world. If it's connected to the internet, it can be breached. Yeah, pointing out hypocrisy and false advertising MUST be a specious claim. Next time try harder, but don't give yourself a nose bleed in the process.
For more information about Apple zealots and people like foxfyre, visit this site:
http://www.thebestpagein...e.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
"I don't know why Mac users get so defensive when you call them idiots. I mean, Apple is a company that has built its entire user base around the fact that its users can't do simple things like turn their computers on. Hell, most Mac users can't even talk without using their hands, which ranks their intelligence somewhere between a simian and hog s**t"
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|"That's unpossible." (^__^) LOL.
In case you didn't get the joke, it was a Simpsons reference. The full quote is "Me fail English? That's unpossible." I just thought I'd point that out, because I wasn't sure if you got the joke or if you were mocking me. >_>
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|Apple zealot? ROFLMAO! You really are an a$$!
I live primarily in AIX. And I do happen to know security design and Information Assurance.
But then you obviously are not very familiar with the architectural features and distinctions between Windows and UNIX.
There is a difference between the coding of applications and the fundamental design structure of the OS. Lousy coding is lousy coding - something that should be addressed in the development phase.
Architectural features are a bit more fundamental.
But sit there and debate some actor who portrays a dweeb on a commercial and confuse marketing with reality. And your assertion that because an OS can 'potentially' be hacked, that it is equivalent to one that is routinely hacked and allows for the unrestricted fundamental compromise of the entire data resource environment as well as loss of control of the system is just a bit different.
But you keep debating commercials aimed at folks as swooft as you who still think the Mac is not a PC and that they are incompatible because they adopted an obscure protocol known as TCPIP in 1993 instead of using the world class NetBios...
Unfortunately, it is folks like you who lend credence to the otherwise silly and overly simplified world of marketing and commercials.
If you don't like the platform, don't use it. And if the others who inhabit this site are IT professionals who have a clue, they needn't be whining about competing platforms any more than a Porsche owner need worry about a Ford pickup commercial!
But I guess its readily apparent what constitutes the majority of the folks posting here - high school and college dweebs whose notion of the larger world of computing consists of what games are available for their little desktop and who are scared sh!tless that they are going to be nabbed by the RIAA for stealing and redistributing copyrighted material that they have self-righteously decided they are entitled.
Rant on fanboy.
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|I guess that explains it, you're 12 yrs old...
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|Aw poor baby... were your feelings hurt? LOL.
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|And yet the troll continues to speak...
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|What's the matter internetworld7?
Are you one of those boring stiffs that doesn't know how to have fun?
There are two kinds of people in the world ..... movie quoters and non movie quoters. I figured out all the people I like are quoters.
The rest of you all suck.
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|There are two kinds of people in the world ..... movie quoters and non movie quoters.
....don't forget the dutch.
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|it's strange, aren't mac users the ones who are suppose to be having fun while all us windows users are playing with spreadsheets.
switch ads always made me laugh.
lets look at the games on each system ;)
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|Cost\Availability\Variety\Convenience\Dependability are ALL part of what I consider to determine who gets my money when it comes to home computers and applications to run on them.
I'm not brand loyal... I am loyal to "myself".
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|Here we go with another "What I own is better" thread. I cant wait for the Rock Band vs Guitar Hero IV (complete with drums and a mic).
The problem is with Vista X 3 in my house and not one problem, ever. I would have a hard time letting any of you convonce me it sucks or OSX is better.
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|One wonders why the Windows fanboys feel so compelled to endlessly complain about something they so loudly claim not to care about?
I guess the reason is fairly obvious.
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|You're too funny foxfyre, and by funny I mean useless. Just because someone claims not to care about something (I'm not sure where you pulled this gem out of) doesn't mean they immediately forfeit their right to criticize it or simply state an opinion on it. We "Windows fanboys" care enough about Apple's crappy products to point and laugh, that's about it.
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|You're too funny kashin, and by funny I mean useless. The issues this article speaks about concerning 10.5.3 are minor and definitely affect only a small number of Mac users. However, Windoze XP being an ancient irrelevant OS and Vista being a slow, bloated and lemon OS affect ALL of you Windoze fanboys. Obvious trolls like yourself know your Windoze OS sucks and Microshaft has ran out of ideas and can't innovate. What Microshaft calls innovation is nothing more than Mac imitation.
Windoze 7 you say? LOL. Windoze 7=Windoze Vista 2nd Edition! (^__^)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ
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|Yep... right on queue. Forum users complaining about something they don't care about. You not caring about what others are complaining about, yet complaining about it nevertheless.
Same s**t, different day.
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|Hey dumba$$, who said I didn't care about idiot fanboys posting the same asinine crap in thread after thread?
What I don't care about is what platform you drool over.
But then you are incapable of reading even a post for meaning, let alone the thread topic!
And yes, I get tired of reading the same crap in thread after thread over who thinks their tiny little desktop platform rules.
Especially when most folks here have only experienced the 'other' platform for 15 minutes at some store display!
Isn't there a thread where you can rant over which MP3 player rules?
After all, we certainly wouldn't expect a substantial expose on the fundamental design flaws exploited here would we? Or whether the problems actually expose any fundamental flaws inherent in the OS design...Of course, we wouldn't, not from a Windows fanboy who is oblivious to OS security and who thinks the fatally flawed ActiveX is the cat's meow and hasn't even a clue as to what sandboxing is - aside from where you do most of your best work!
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|Spoken like the prepubescent fanboy priss you are.
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|Here are some more "issues" with 10.5.3
http://www.macfixit.com/...story=20080530225515297
YOUR experience may be perfect but its not for everyone.
Its the same with Linux, some people absolutely love it others find it a headache.
Its the same for Vista, some people are having problems, and some are not.
Its overblown and not one person who hates Vista gives any real answer to why its the same regurgitated crap that has been repeated ad-nausem and isn't even true.
pre sp1 Vista did have some performance issues, after Sp1 most of those were addressed. You sure like to throw words around like troll and fanboy yet you fit both.
Let me know when your perfect OS that works with everything and never has any problems and never needs updates comes out...
I wonder how well OSX would work if it was legally allowed to run on any PC. From the hacked version its not the same experience of a real version of OSX, as its slow and not as fluid in motion as the original.
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|"I wonder how well OSX would work if it was legally allowed to run on any PC. From the hacked version its not the same experience of a real version of OSX, as its slow and not as fluid in motion as the original."
No kidding idiot. OS X HAS NOT BEEN TESTED OR DEVELOPED BY APPLE ON NON-MACINTOSH COMPUTERS.
I just love how you continue to state the obvious. Care to share anymore of your zen wisdom with us?
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|could it be apple is unable to make a OS that can run on countless hardware configurations?
it would seem so. hell they can't even get it to work right on the few options they have out.
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|could it be apple is unable to make a OS that can run on countless hardware configurations?
That would be almost correct. Perhaps they are able, but they do not wish to spend the resources required for such a massive undertaking.
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|Like it or not, the Mac is compliant to the latest Intel Roadmap standards.
You guys keep talking like it is somehow different than a PC made compliant to the Intel Roadmap!
Its not! It simply has an integral TCM that the OS must authenticate with as they choose (unfortunately in my mind) to make OSX Apple specific.
They believe that linking the OS to their hardware offers their hardware a strategic marketing advantage - while I feel that opening it would increase their market base even further. No matter.
But find out what you are talking about before speculating about the speculation based on a previous speculation. If the configuration deviates from the Intel Roadmap, there may or may not be a problem - but that not Apple's problem in any event. Tha's the problem of the the person who constructs such a configuration.
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|"it would work if we wanted it too"
lol?
there are over 600 million windows setups out there with countless different configurations built by millions of diffrent people
apple has about 4.5% of that with very few configurations almost all built by apple.
unlike apple Microsoft can back it up.
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|http://www.youtube.com/w...ztk&feature=related
'nuff said
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|also, this is not sarcasm...BUT MS/Windows/Vista rocks!!! The best...that's why apple tries to bite at it's heels.
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|You're right and here is undeniable PROOF that Apple copied Vista:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8
Even Bill Gates gets in on the fun and states how much Apple sucks:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvskEGWMLp4
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|Funny part is, all the things his list as OSX Orignal were on on systems long before apple had them, oh the irony.
hell, apple faild so much at making a OS they had to copy BSD and move over to "PC" hardware.
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|Heh...
OSX original.
It's amusing, really. They didn't even write the OS. They built it from Mach.
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|Keep trolling PC_Trool. This only reflects how illiterate and ignorant you are. Hmmm...I wonder where Bill Gates got his "ideas" and inspiration from to create Windows which we both know is anything but original?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvskEGWMLp4
Chew on that for a while fanboy...
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|You should just go ahead and change your name to "youtubeworld7", since that seems to be the only source of proof you're capable of linking to.
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|Illiterate and ignorant...
Right.
Trool?
*laughing*
When you have something intelligent, relevant, or useful to say, let me know.
...I won't be holding my breath.
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|what? lyars...apple claims "it just works" and is not vulnerable to any flaw that ALL other software is vulnerable to...it is 100% perfect...hehe
"not widespread enough" or the system is not used by enough people to warrant a fix? hmm
again, lol
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|Yeah, you can use the phrase "not widespread enough" not only to describe certain vulnerabilities, but also Mac software/games. Both of them.
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|Mac sucks and so does crap OS X leopard. Just get a PC with Intel Core 2 Duo or Quad core and stick with the best OS out there--Vista. Wonders how crap OS X Pig (next version) will be...
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|It was OK until you wrote "best OS out there--Vista" which ruined your comment ;)
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|"...Wonders how crap OS X Pig (next version) will be..."
It will be, once again, way better than any OS Microsoft has ever released. ;-)
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|have you even tried mac os x on a pc at least?(yes fool... hackingtosh) i wouldnt talk sh!t if i was you fool
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|once again i wouldnt talk Sh1T fool
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|I had a Mac for 2 days, it wasn't worth the effort to switch.
Linux was better. If I was forced to choose between MacOS or Vista, I'd still have my Thinkpad. ;-)
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|Hey Apple, lose those stupid ads. "I'm a Mac, I'm edgy, young, groovy and I'M F@#%ING ANNOYING!!"
Ok, we get it. Mac people are just soo cool. This, if nothing else,is just a hateful ad campaign, which pisses people off.
Guess what, the Mac cool cats have already paid through the nose for their overpriced, way cool Macs. The rest of us can do without your pathetic attempts to sell this junk to idiots.
By all means run ads, but you can leave the reference to PCs out. If a Mac is so fabulous, there should be no need for a comparison. Savvy?
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|On behalf of all my acolytes, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank "imafurby" for his wonderful support.
Indeed, were it not for my EGO, I'd let he and "dvferret", run this board!
What was this thread about anyway? Who cares, as long as I get to make my snide, cutting & most importantly disparaging comments, all is cool!
"grins" "chuckles"!!!
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|You sound like you're off your game today. I expect better than that.
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|as long as I get to make my snide, cutting & most importantly disparaging comments
You just described yourself, Zaine.
Good job.
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|Is that why a fanboy such as yourself is lost in t thread about a product you claim to have no interest in?
"If a Mac is so fabulous, there should be no need for a comparison. Savvy?"
Obviously you DON'T! For you fool are the one debating in an Apple thread vainly trying to make a point that you say should have no need to be made.
Why do the Windows fanboys feel so compelled to b!tch about something they claim to care nothing about - but yet here they are - crawling about the place like roaches.
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|I don't give a crap about Apple, I don't need to waste money on something utilitarian for the supposed cool factor, (ie packaging). I just hate their stupid, useless, nauseating commercials where A PC user, (or a PC if you will) is depicted as an overweight bumbling fool . They aren't helping Apple's image IMO. The only roaches crawling about I would suggest are the ones who think up these offensive ad campaigns. Have a nice day.
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|Mac sucks!
Go with the better OS and that is Vista!!!
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|The problem is idiots struggle with Vista, and there's a lot of idiots out there. They need a Vista Moron Edition for the retarded masses.
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|"What you mean I can't upgrade my Windows 98 machine to Vista?!?!?! *gasp!*"
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|I'm sorry but no force on earth could make me subject my pc to windows ever again.
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|Thought Windows was already stupid easy....guess someone finally made some better morons huh.
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|EPIC FAIL O_o
Vista being BLOATED, SLOW, SLUGGISH & A MONUMENTAL FAILURE has noting to do with the end user. That's the fault of the idiot company that produced this crapware OS. What people REALLY need to do is burn Microshaft to the ground for releasing this unforgivable crap and then further insulting the masses with Windoze 7 which at the end of the day is nothing more than Windoze Vista 2nd edition.
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|your joking right? hahahhaahaha
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|Working a treat on my Macbook Air, and no I'm not a fanboy, indeed this machine is partitioned, an "nlite" XP Pro SP3 install on the other partition.
IW7, as an aside have never even had the spinning rainbow ball of death, love this machine! Overpriced, perhaps. But the taxman does subsidise the lease, and for someone with no Mac experience whatsoever, have found it a treat to learn.
And, found a wonderful little app called Xslimmer that reduces the install size quite considerably.
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|>>You want true innovation, security and stability? Then look no further than Windows Vista!
I think you mean Linux... Vista is as stable as drunk man balancing with one foot on a rope and I can't see any "true" innovations Vista made.
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|"I can't see any "true" innovations Vista made."
As opposed to all the amazing inovation made by linux distros..like, a user friendly UI, and usable video drivers...oh wait, Linux doesn't have either yet, I guess Ubuntu is getting close though right?? Sorry...one day though!
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|Hey dummy, next time click the "Post a Reply" button to address the person you're referring to and the post is SARCASM!!!!!!!!!
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|Yes Linux has a user friendly GUI and video drivers that work (Yes, even ATI drivers now), pretend to have a clue before posting.
Thanks.
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|"Yes Linux has a user friendly GUI and video drivers that work (Yes, even ATI drivers now), pretend to have a clue before posting.
"
LOL I love the spin you try to put on that. Did I say video drives that "work"? No...I said usable video drivers...you know, stable, easy to install, fast? I guess that doesn't matter though right...after all, they do "work"!
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|Ubuntu Linux already has a user friendly UI and excellent Nvidia drivers which are simple to install.
You seem to have avoided mentioning what great innovations Vista has, such as DirectX 10 which gives no real benefit over DirectX 9, monsterous hardware requirements which has no great benefit on performance and better security which Linux has always had for a long time and don't forget pretty desktop effects which Linux also had for a long time.
Vista is just playing catchup with Linux right now.
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|Hmm.
Click..
(Enter password)
Oh, NVidia drivers need to be installed?
Click..
Reboot
Go to my other computer.
Click..
(enter password).
Oh, ATI drivers need to be installed.
Click..
Reboot.
There's no spin. You are either completely dishonest, or you really don't have a clue.
Pick one.
Restricted driver manager detects and installs video drivers with a single click and password entry.
Thanks.
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|'Envy' also makes that process incredibly simple. Nice app.
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|Envy is good, but it breaks upgrade-ability so I can't recommend it to newbies.
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|doh now I learn that! :) got lots to learn about linux me does
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|If it's worse than Microsoft, it's most probably Apple.
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|Finally someone who speaks the truth about over priced Macs. I just hate how my POS Mac constantly gives me the blue screen of death, is infested with viruses, spyware, trojans and keyloggers. It's extremely bloated, slow and requires me to upgrade my graphics card to an expensive card just to run it properly.
Businesses are slow to adopt it and are simply waiting for the next version to come out. Tech experts and everyday people alike give it the worst reviews online and hold their nose when they look at it.
Can you believe that the morons over at Apple have SIX different versions of Mac OS X Leopard! It cost me $399 for Mac OS X Leopard Ultimate! So you're right, no company screws you over like Apple. That's why I'm switching to Windows Vista. It's doesn't have any of these problems. :)
By the way did I mention that the Mac is a Vista rip anyway? Here's proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDNuq94Zg_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ
Even Bill Gates has mentioned just how much he hates Macs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvskEGWMLp4
Those Apple idiots, when will they learn. You want true innovation, security and stability? Then look no further than Windows Vista!
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|From an IT point of view all OS's keep me employeed.. Computers are TOOLS to get a job done!! Do you ever hear carpenters saying how much better a hammer is over the other hammer??
Come on folks.. Steve Jobs is a human.. (He was pretty good on the denile and lack of support to his child back in the 70s.. also he really gave it to Wozniak.,.One reason I wouldn't trust the guy)
If you look at the Apple cult it's not very pretty!! Unless you are self centered person that believes your the smartest person(besides other turtle neck wearing elitest)
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|EPIC FAIL! O_o
If the difference of an OS was as trivial and simple as comparing one hammer to another, Microsoft would have a 100% market share. After all, what would be the point in maintaining and developing Mac OS X as we know it? These things are FAARR more complicated than that. The differences in OS's are as stark as night and day. If they weren't I'd still be using a PC, thank God I'm not. :)
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|Judging from your posts, you are exactly what he described...
His point Computers are a TOOL used to get a job done.
You can use a screwdriver in the same sense as a hammer but the hammer will work more efficiently for that task.
You can perform the same tasks on a pc as a mac the difference is in the user's needs and what programs they use. Essentially if you are performing the same function (hence the hammer reference) both will work.
They both serve the same purpose.
EPICFAILLOLZELEVENTY!!!CATDOG
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|Nice try trolling Windoze fanboy. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. Really, I didn't mean to.
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|both of you are f*cking retarded.
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|Fanboy? There is nothing in any of my comments that have any biase towards an OS, its a simple statement use the tool that best works for YOU.
So, you are terrible at trolling and really suck at pretending not to be a fanboy, but you know good luck and all feeling mighty and superior over the OS you use...
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|OMG its amazing! Never has someone explained their point so well and being so articulate!
You should probably avoid further discussion on forums, you seem to lack knowledge, sense of humor and or relevancy.
But! You can use foul language, so I guess you got that going for you...
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|dodge dodge... hmmm I just realised who you are :(
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|ok im tired of ALL the mac users that think this "in order for apple to win microsoft has to lose" DUDE WTF is that! thats BS right there... and by the way mac users i have a toshiba laptop running tiger 10.5.2 and it runs good and i also have a windows desktop because the programs i use cant run on mac so screw you mofos also i play games and my son plays games too and he prefers the windows machine because he says that windows is better for first time users
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|iSheep need to realize just what the hell reality is: Mac OS X is far from perfect, especially compared to Vista (or Vista + XP combined) with regards to security vulnerabilities.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758
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|iVirus (Windows) users need to realize just what the hell reality is: Mac OS X is'nt far from perferct BUT far more secure and stable than ancient Windows XP and bloated Vista
http://www.informationwe...tml?articleID=196800670
http://chris.pirillo.com...microsoft-windows-vista/
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|Yeah, you should read your "facts" before posting them
There is nothing about stability or which one is more secure, it focuses on features and the ui for the most part, neither one says OSX is a must have.
Plus your articles are a year old.
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|Aww, c'mon... that was weak. Perhaps you should consult a "Genius" before posting.
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|Didn't like those articles? Here's a better one for you:
http://www.microsplot.co...dows_vista?page=0%CB%80
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|LOL this is the best one yet...referencing anti-MS sites to prove your OS choice is "better"...that's just classic right there.
You want me to post a few dozen links to anti-apple sites to show that Vista is better? Give me a break...LOL.
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|Yes I would like to see that. But you know what? You can't. That's why you didn't bother because you know you can't. Also, the anti-MS site REFERENCES SITES THAT USE WINDOWS AS THEIR PRIMARY OS. Nice try though at trolling. If you really want to impress me with how smart your are, get a Mac.
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|Secure and stable?
Please point me to where those links say *anything* comparing stability and security to Vista.
Oh right...you just threw those in there to fool the sheep into thinking you actually *did* know what you were talking about.
Too bad you don't?
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|Microsplot.
THE news source for non-biased, honest, and technically sound reporting.
*laughing*
Pulling from the bottom of the barrel today, eh?
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|Impress you?
We could do that be proving we went beyond the fourth grade.
Here's your links:
First, an amusing one on par with the links you posted, not entirely based in reality:
http://blogs.computerwor...hy_vista_beats_mac_os_x
Oh! One from MacWorld itself. Can't argue with them, right?
http://www.macworld.com/...16/2007/04/daizovi.html
Can't argue with links, man.
*laughing*
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|I 1/2 expected microsplot to run Windows (heh) guess not though.
~$ telnet www.microsplot.com 80
Trying 208.97.160.43...
Connected to www.microsplot.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP-1.1
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:16:44 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.61 (Unix) PHP/4.4.7 mod_ssl/2.0.61 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 DAV/2 SVN/1.4.2
Last-Modified: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:09:13 GMT
ETag: "381dd-153-a155fc40"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 339
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Connection closed by foreign host.
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|I guess that's why the Mac is editor's choice over at the ultra Windoze fanboy site PC Mag.
http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,2817,2290394,00.asp
Also here's another PC centric site dogging Vista and praising the Mac:
http://www.informationwe...tml?articleID=196800670
Can't argue with links, man.
*laughing*
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|"We COULD DO THAT be proving we went beyond the fourth grade."
LOL. Duma$$.
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|You idiot, you are not helping the mac image here one bit - completely destroying it with your stupidity.
http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,1895,2273074,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,1895,2269793,00.asp
They all have something in common right?
They sure as hell aint apple's but they have the editors choice stamp. If only you knew what they meant......
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|The fact still remains retard that I can find more Windoze fanboy sites giving rave reviews of the Mac than I can of Vista at these same PC fanboy sites. ^__^ LOL. Nice try though monkey boy.
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|The fact still remains retard that I can find more Windoze fanboy sites giving rave reviews of the Mac than I can of Vista at these same PC fanboy sites.
What's *really* amusing is that you think that this actually makes a difference or supports anything you say.
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|LOL. Duma$$.
Heh...
'nuff said.
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|Doesnt even come close to supporting what he says. This guy really makes pitdingo pale in comparison.
Unbelievable
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|Well if you want to use the word 'fact' so loosly how about I use it strong?
The *fact* is you have not even shown us one 'Windoze fanboy site' period let alone one that gives raving reviews.
Knock yourself on the head and wake up, READ what the hell you have been saying in this thread. You put yourself to shame dude seriously READ what the hell you have been saying
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|A brick is better than Vista...bwahahaha
Using 10.5.3 and no problems at all.
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|You got that right. The only thing my neighbor knew was Windows (sad, but true) and he wasn't willing to take the plunge and get a Mac...until he got his new laptop from Best Buy running Vista! From start to finish it was a complete pain in the a$$. He finally took it back and exchanged it for a new MacBook. Now he continues to run his tax business on his Mac and he's surprised at just how easy using a Mac actually is. :)
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|Not everyone has the issues you describe, some people have never had a virus or malware.
There is a learning curve to Vista its expected, not everyone is happy with the new ui for Leopard either or the way things are. Same with the many flavors of Linux, you cannot please everyone.
As has been described computers are tools you will use which one works best for you whether that be osx, linux, or windows.
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|"take the plunge and get a Mac..."
Indeed.
Yeah, just gotta love the newest Mac commercials with "PC" guy and his friends... "I'm pleased to say that I've been error-free for nearly a week."
In true Apple marketing fashion, reality has been shunned.
I'll gladly take a little of your so-called bloat of Vista any day over the dozens of instability and security issues of OS X found each month. If I so choose, I can at least disable a few unnecessary services within Vista to make it perform a little better.
Don't worry... I'm sure 10.5.4 is right around the corner to bring it one step closer to RC status. Who knows? Maybe another $150 for 10.6 will make everything worthwhile.
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|You're preaching to the choir. I was a Windows user for years and only recently switched to a Mac. So I'm well aware of the differences of both OS's. I've had plenty of time on Vista as well. As I look back I wonder how on earth did I use such an awful OS for so long? When I say, "Windows sucks", that's coming from a long time user of that POS.
Oh and by the way, while you're whining about Apple commercials, Mac sales have never been greater, neither has the Mac market share...
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|Mac sales have never been greater, neither has the Mac market share...
Yeah, you guys are almost at what, 1/10th the Windows Market share?
Break out the Keg, man...It's party time!
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|PC_Tool I thought you love Macs from a post you wrote some time ago...mmh...I gotta find that post...
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|It's unfortunate that there isn't a good way to calculate Linux desktop users. I'd like to see how it really compared to Mac users (I bet there are less Mac users).
I know of several people that had Macs and now are on Vista or Ubuntu.
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|That cross dresser doesn't know what he likes. He just wants to be excepted. Ok PC_Tool, your excepted. You can play with the big boys.
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|when you can't comment with anything worthwhile just insult the person who proved you wrong again and again...
Makes perfect sense. I think if you made one comment that was true we may all die in shock... I'd hold my breath and wait for your thrilling response but it'll be nothing of substance...good luck with the cult...
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|I guess Safari doesn't have a built-in spell checker?
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|Aw...c'mon terminalx that was weak. You're trying too hard to make your self look smart. When you have something worthwhile to say that's when we will really "all die in shock". If you really want to impress me with how "smart" you are, get a Mac. I'd hold my breath and wait for your thrilling response but it'll be nothing of substance...good luck with the next version of Windoze, Windoze 7 = Windoze Vista 2nd Edition...
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|So, you got nothing, huh?
Compared to you making myself look smart isn't a hard task.
Thanks for proving my earlier point though, have a pleasant day!
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|http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
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|. If you really want to impress me with how "smart" you are, get a Mac.
Notice how he always falls back to that.
...as if one had to have a certain IQ to buy a Mac.
Nice logic there, hmmm?
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|I have an ibook (ancient) and a G4. The ibook is decent, I let my son use it, the G4 is sitting in a closet. Damn thing overheated so many times and I got sick of lugging it to the "Genius Bar".
WE have 2 Intel Macs here at work, a workstation and a MBP. The MBP is working very well, the workstation seems to be having the same issues my G4 had.
*shrug*
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|He just wants to be excepted.
*laughing*
...and you did it twice.
You really *are* an idiot, aren't you?
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|Still better than Vista...
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|I don't know. I can use CS3 on my machine
/snicker
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|As can I, 10.5.3 running CS3 all updates, not a single issue thus far.. :) Photoshop still crashes a whole lot more on my Quad Core Intel then on my dual G5...
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|Funny, I've never had CS3 crash at all on my Intel Dual Core PC. Maybe you actually have a problem on your computer. I'm not partial really to either OS, but I sure like that fact that I can tinker with Windows a whole lot easier than on my Macs. It's not always the OS thats the problem... Sometime it's drivers, sometimes its the user. :~{
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|But Vista people will get to ALSO use the new 64bit versions of Adobe software, none for OS X because Apple's development platform was crap and screwed Adobe. Besides OS X is still running on a 32bit kernel with RAM support for 64bit applications only.
(This is why OS X drivers from tiger to leopard still work, both 32bit OSes and 32bit drivers.)
Vista on the other hand has a real 64bit version that a lot of people are using. (With a real 64bit kernel, and 64bit register support and low level 64bit paging table optimizations, etc etc etc...
Macs and OS X are little more than marketing gone very wrong and twisted. Apple's only lasting dent is their marketing team that continues to cross lines other marketing companies won't even consider because it is borderline NLP mind control.
(Stuff that Derren Brown would normally demonstrate for people.)
If you are 100% sure you aren't in a cult, you probably already are... (Which includes a large portion of Mac users. If you have a Apple logo anything that isn't computer related, your in the cult. People that see a computer as a tool or what it is and not a religion don't wear freaking logos on s***s.)
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|There's got to be an error. From what I've been told from my Mac user friends, they have no 1. viruses, 2. problems and certainly don't experience bugs and vulnerabilities. Please revise the article immediately.
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|lol
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|Actually, this is definitely the best update to Leopard yet. Leopard runs like a champ now even on old apple hardware. The vast majority of users are VERY happy with it. Good work on this one Apple. Being a Windows (unem)Power(ed) User, OS X 10.5.3 simply puts Windows to shame in almost every possible way. I'm relatively new to OS X but it's already supplanted Windoze for virtually every function and I get it done faster and more enjoyably. Of course with any complex unix-based OS that can be set up and adjusted in infinite ways, with a huge update there will inevitably be a few issues. But the issues here are SOOOOOOO minor compared to M$ Service Packs (when and if they ever arrive).
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|Nice cheerleading. I'm impressed that you're (relatively) new to Mac OS X.
This is definitely what Apple should have shipped in November 2007 because up until now, there have been so many issues, you'd think that it had been a beta release.
As far as performance is concerned, my system is still running more slowly than 10.4.10 but it's better than it had been with 10.5.0 or 10.5.2. However, the user interface is generally responsive even if it masks the truth. At least, the Intel-based machines are so much better than with 10.4.x, even if they're losing data.
I must say that WinXP SP3 didn't provide as much of a boost for my other machine but it seems to be safer. Apple is slipping. 2.5 years to get a stable release from the start of development until now?
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|"This is definitely what Apple should have shipped in November 2007 because up until now, there have been so many issues, you'd think that it had been a beta release."
Speak for yourself Windoze fanboy. I've been using Leopard since 10.5.1 and I have only experienced an incredibly stable OS. It's true, Leopard hasn't been perfect from day one but compared to Vista you'd think it was perfect!
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|Alright, Apple is aware problems/issues exist but refuse to fix it until the majority complain about it.
WTF.
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|What do you expect, Apple customers always let Apple get away with everything. Can you imagine if the tables were turned and M$ refused to fix a problem until they got more complaints?
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|Yeah, Apple is supporting more and more applications and such, and with a larger user base, more and more third-party incompatibilities will be shouted in forums accross the web. They'll just start having to revise their alpha/beta testing to get more testing with third-party apps. It's hard to do with so many different combinations of software out there.
Love it or hate it, in that particular regard Apple is turning more and more like Microsoft.
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|Any OS that starts to support more and more programs and adds more stuff to it will have problems until they fix them. It happens with Windows and Mac OS, also the more people that use the OS the more hackers will make virus' and stuff. This is the thing that people have been saying for years, but true Apple lovers denied. Welcome to popularity Mac OS.
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|+1
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|'Welcome to popularity' ...kind of overstating it, OSX share is still minuscule.
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|I'm pretty sure Apple is well aware of the market share they have and I don't think they give a s**t all that much. Sure they would welcome and wishes for a little more, especially lately with all the bad press Vista is getting which clearly explain their aggressive ad campaign, but they know they will never dominate and that's fine.
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|Before posting, educate yourself on the facts:
http://marketshare.hitsl...com/report.aspx?qprid=8
By the end of 2009 the Mac market share will be well in double digits... but nice try trolling though.
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|Mac 7.8%
...from your own link.
Nice try, genius.
http://arstechnica.com/j...are-dips-in-february-08
By the end of 2009 the Mac market share will be well in double digits
All hail the Great Swami!
*laughing*
I feel almost ashamed to be ridiculing you. You just make it so easy.
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|oh noes!
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|Because with a job title like "Genius" they're more likely to be content with their pay :D
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|"Post a Reply" button FTW!
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|Why, it's just like Windows.
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|I owned two Macs - an eMac with 10.4 and an iMac 24" LCD with 10.4.x.
10.5.x ruined the OS for me. The changes they made are simply horrible, in my opinion. Aesthetics alone turn it into a darker, less visually enticing experience.
They should have focused on improving the very weak FINDER app to provide some kind of decent file mananagement. Even MUCOMMANDER blows away anything included with the suite.
10.4.x was at least stable and attractive, even if the font smoothing is not as nice as clear type. But 10.5.x was unstable from the start, and after all the time, energy and effort I had put into working with OS X, especially on the 24" iMac, I was so incredibly frustrated and torqued off, I just flat out gave up on Macs and no longer own a single one.
You pay double for an iMac what a PC would cost, you upgrade to a full 2 gig of memory (which seems expensive, given it's laptop memory) just to get 10.4.x to run well, and then they tell you to get yet ANOTHER stick to max out your iMac at 3 gig so that 10.5.x can work effectively.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Bootcamp limits your partitioning options big-time, the time machine backup stuff really only works well if you buy a separate external firewire or USB drive, and on top of all of that, it feels slower.
Forget it. PC's are cheaper, faster, easier to expand and XP has support until 2014. I just can't recommend to anybody that they fork out cash for an iMac computer. Not any more.
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|Now this should be the next Windows commercial. :)
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|"You pay double for an iMac what a PC would cost,..."
LOL. Funny how the dell iMac clone is more expensive than the real thing. Go to www.dell.com and look for yourself.
Nice troll post, btw
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|Who cares about an iMac clone. If Mac was as popular as PC's are gamers wouldn't buy an iMac. Sure all in one computers will be more expensive. Even graphics people who use Macs don't buy iMacs they buy the full towers.
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|If all you want a computer for is web, mail, play music and to look things up the PC is considerably cheaper.
If you are looking for something to play games and do graphics, depending on configuration and what you need its cheaper as well, now you may need to look around, but its still cheaper is his point, if you can only buy online from the various shops they may be more comparable.
Most people do not buy their pcs online, though.
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|Are you not the same dude who gives "AnyDVD", a zero score for every update?
Nuff said, I think!
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|funny is how you dont know how to build your own computer for a cheaper price dumb fuk and WHY! WHY would i want to get an imac clone anyways?
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|Yes it's true AND that's for the 20" model, unlike the iMac that has a 24" screen and a hundred bucks cheaper. At least it has a blue-ray drive.
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|oooh that's narsty...calm down there friend!
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|you expect a mac user to be able to build a computer?
have you not seen the switch ads? they get confused by cables and anything without a bouncing ball to lead the way.
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|Don't these people know that to do an update to your Mac you should take it the apple store and have a Mac Genius help them?? It's so nice to sit at the Genius Bar and have a Genius tell you how it is..
Is it me but why do they all have a 5 o'clock shadow??
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|It slightly irritates me that they're called Geniuses. Jumped up, self important job titles FTW!
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|Haha... Geniuses...I guess thats why the OS needs a 450MB update to fix vulnerabilities...? And that is just called a minor update... which again causes more problems... If mac products were as good as they are hyped up to be, they wouldnt need geniuses to fix them.
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|Man, I am loving this so much.
Anybody else having fun?
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|I thought Macs 'just work', so why would you need to take it to an Apple store?
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|God, yes. More fun the a barrel of monkeys on crack!
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|...and flinging poo!
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|Absolutely. Apple gives Mac users 10.5.3 which further improves an already awesome OS while Microsoft gives Windoze users Vista SP1 which makes an already slow and bloated OS slower and more bloated. LOL. Hell yeah I'm having fun.
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|Microsoft gives Windoze users Vista SP1 which makes an already slow and bloated OS slower and more bloated
Yeah, but it doesn't...
Sp1 fixes a lot of things people complained about but you know don't let those facts get in the way or anything.
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