Google's IE7 Browser Complaint

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The issue is a search box built into the new ie7 browser,
which enables users to search without opening a search engine directly in the browser.
The function is already widely available as a plug-in for existing browsers.
For instance, the Google toolbar will modify Firefox and other browsers to enable
Google to be accessed in a single click.Ability to change the search providers default
setting could create another wars, with ie7 search providers working on
partnerships with the Dells and HPs of the world to convince them to ship machines
with the search box set to their site. IE7 users can easily add or remove providers
from http://ieproviders.com/ or http://www.microsoft.com...hguide/default_new.mspx.

I tested this on five machines in my lab and my own desktop. In every case, the existing default search engine was retained after the IE7 installation. Google is full of crap.

I just downloaded IE7 and i just changed my default search to Google.... who cares honestly its not that hard to change. Im sure Google could write a small app that allows retarted users who dont know how to use a computer to change there search to default with a click of a button!

Whatever... no biggy here - Google needs to relax!

Thats really funny... i just opened Google and they have a new button that asks if you want Google to be your default search!

I'm happy with having Yahoo as my search provider and don't want IE ever suggesting to change it to Google (or even MSN)...

I'm already sick of MSN messenger suggesting it.

NOTE: I use Opera primarily anyway :P

That's not new - it's been like that since the first pre-beta was released to msdn subscribers around august 2005.

Learn to read between the lines, people. Google is SHOCKED that IE7 b-e-t-a does not make Live Search the default search engine, both when there is none yet and when THERE IS ONE (google?). They're so happy by this error on MS part (actually displaying a list of engines to pick from! wow!) that they are fighting to make it stick. That's all.

You just KNOW MS can make any of their software reset the search engine by default anyway..for "easy integration" purposes. Think Messenger, OneCare, Hotmail, Office addons, any other freebie they'll throw in the future JUST to be able to reset your browser. Google is going DOWN baby.

Seriously, google needs to stop complaining. At this rate they are growing into some sort of monopoly. I don't see what wrong with Microsoft having the Microsoft search engine as the default in a Microsoft browser. Google shouldn't be complaining anyways, they are the default in firefox.....in fact the hom

Typical bent Microsoft business 'ethics' - why did Google expect MS to suddenly become an normal business model?

Google should be happy that it can even run in IE7 - look at what MSN did with Opera a couple of years ago. (And the Swedish Cook version of Opera!)

Besides, who actually uses IE except for the frequent / daily bug elimination updates for Windows products?

MS should spend more time making IE conform to W3 specifications instead of web authors having to devote chunks of code to even make it remotely compliant.

waaaawaaaaawaaaa
poor google alays crying about something. maybe they should make there own google browser and than msft can complain there not the default search eng.

Personally in link
http://www.microsoft.com...hguide/default_new.mspx
have selected MSN,Google,WalMart,Wikipedia and Yahoo for my Search Drop Down Menu. The last one used remains as default until subsequent change in Search Selection.
Copernic Agent remains accesible from Tools Drop Down.
All this in IE7 Beta 2.

Well if that's not fair, then google shouldn't be the default search engine for opera and firefox then, cause that gives yahoo and msn a disadvantage.

I'm thinking Google is a little crazy here. Why the hell would Microsoft place Google as the default search.

It's Microsoft's browser they can do whatever they like with it. No on is forced to use IE7 and no one is forced to use Microsoft's search, they will be able to change.

If Google wants their search default let them make their own browser.

EXACTLY! Quit suing and complaining about Microsoft. We don't get a choice of brand of engine that goes into our car (without extensive aftermarket installs).

"We don't get a choice of brand of engine that goes into our car (without extensive aftermarket installs)."

not quite the same, that would be like replacing the kernel.

but i agree, there's lots of browsers out there, i don't have to use IE7 and their stupid search function. in fact, i'm more likely to use IE7 and set google as the home page.(still using firefox)

When did google ask Microsoft to make them the default search?

Could you at least READ an article or two before you form an opinion?

"Ballmer Dismisses Google's IE7 Concerns"

What, he didn't throw a chair at anyone?

So disappointing...

"I'm gonna F$$kin' kill IE7!!! No, wait, I meant..."
***spontaneously breaks into Monkey Boy dance***

ask at start up? ehm noobs wouldn't know what to choose, just let it what Microsoft wants it to be no dumb bulls***.

Thats just sad, Google wants to be #1 on IE. I agree with Metazoan why would a company promote someone elses product? If Google wants to be #1 so bad on IE then they should pay MS to put them as #1.

I agree also with The-One, that is an exellent idea, let the user choose. In Firefox when you click to change the search you can click on add search and it brings you to a page that lets you click on a link that adds that search to your search bar. IE could have that as soon as you start IE it brings you to a similar page and you can pick. But then again IE is MS' browser so if they want MSN to be the top search they have the right to that. When Google makes their own browser then Google can be top search. When you use AOL Explorer and do a search it uses AOL's search, I don't see Google complaining about that.

Google just has to grow up, I don't see any court siding on them. If people like google they'll stick with it. Google has their search bar that they can make for IE7 (unless they already did), or people will just type in the URL. People who like Google are going to stick with them weather MSN is top search on IE or not.

I have a great suggestion. How about IE 7 have no default and ask upon first run? Just a blank edit field though, with no prodding by any company. That would seem to be very fair, then the user chooses something. Oh, thats right, users are dumb, so MS will choose for you.

Fine! Mozilla, Netscape, AOL, Netcaptor, Maxthon, Opera, and Firefox.. you get them to do the same thing, we have a deal.

Let me float this idea (and someone else can sink it, lol)...

If MS were to make Google the default in IE7 then Google would have little to gain by pushing other browsers, aside from a few extra percentage points of market share...

You know, that is a good point... MS would do it for them, and they could kill 2 birds ...

Why would any company promote another product from another company; especially when they are marketing a similar product of their own? That would be business suicide. Google needs to take their head out of their asses and see what Microsoft has done to appease the majority.

Asides from Vista, which is still supposedly on target, Microsoft has suprisingly been on the good side of the press, whereas Google is acting like a big baby who needs his bottle.

metazoan wrote:

"Asides from Vista, which is still supposedly on target, Microsoft has suprisingly been on the good side of the press, whereas Google is acting like a big baby who needs his bottle."

And exactly what color is the sky on the planet where you live?....Vista is not on target, Ballmer and Microspud have said so repeatedly over the past few weeks. In fact it is so far behind schedule that it isn't even going to be released at it's already delayed early 2007 release date. Before you open your pie hole perhaps you should get your facts straight.

Wow...

Someone run over your dog today?

Its actually not behind schedule, its not being well received, even by beta testers.. We have ZERO interest. Expecially since Windows 2003 has recently been updated, and there is a 64 bit version of XP, we don't NEED a new OS just yet, XP works perfect.

And the rest of the computer public thinks the same, because Vista has been very lackluster in gaining some support, that's why they moved back the date, not because its late.

Normally, they are late, but Vista they are taking their time, they could push it out the door by the end of this year, but Marketing thinks it will be a disaster, so it will give them time to come up with more reasons to convince the public they need it. This one is by design.

*metazoan kharma ran over sophist_dreams dogma*

lmao...

If I don't stop laughing they're going to throw me out of here, damnit.

Personally?

I can't wait for it.

Having the UI relegated to the Video Card (ala DirectX/GPU) instead of some outdated gdi alone makes it worth it for me.

reality trumps kharma every time. I am not a dogmatic, just a realist.

http://www.internetnews....ews/article.php/3603626

http://www.macnn.com/art.../02/windows.vista.delay/

http://news.com.com/Vist...100-1016_3-6052270.html

And a smith and wesson beats 4 Aces...

Something ALWAYS will be trumped by a higher order :)

so it's an updated gui for xp...

they should make it a service pack

You know what you are?

Clueless.

The "updated Gui" you speak of requires Avalon. It gets rid of Windows XP's GDI software-based window drawing method, and instead uses DirectX (hardware-based) to perform all of those functions...and much more.

A service pack wouldn't cut it as Avalon goes much deeper than just simple window-drawing.

Much faster performance, many new abilities, and a framework to work with which developers can, and likely will, find uses for MS never dreamed of.

"Its actually not behind schedule, its not being well received, even by beta testers.. We have ZERO interest. Expecially since Windows 2003 has recently been updated, and there is a 64 bit version of XP, we don't NEED a new OS just yet, XP works perfect.

And the rest of the computer public thinks the same, because Vista has been very lackluster in gaining some support, that's why they moved back the date, not because its late."

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I guess the sayign crack doesnt smoke itself applies here. Obviously you know nothing about the beta and why it slipped on release date. It had nothing to do with PR or it not being received well. Its actually being received VERY well. Windows XP 64 bit is a bit of a joke. Only released via OEM and there are only a handfull of drivers that work correctly (that arent in beta). You will be running Vista 64 bit just like everyone else. cracka a** cracka.

Since Microsoft has multiple convictions for using operating system defaults to hurt their competitors it seems that Google has a good reason to be concerned

I have always thought of a search engine as just another web site. How or why a web browser would bundle in a default search engine is a puzzle to me. But then my inclination is to increase rather than decrease the number of things available to users.

So its unfair that MS wants to use their own product as the default search provider, but Google wants it in order by search engines by ranking. Personally, it would make better sense to make it alphabetical, ranking them is just stupid, not to mention things change all the time.. Google does have a sizable lead, but ranking them by order of top priority isn't feasible. I would rank them by alphabet, which would still put Google first, so they still win.

But, Google is making it unfair they are forcing MS into a position where they have to demote and unpromote their OWN search engine, which is a rediculous request. If this were an independent browser, than that would be OK, but sacrificing your own search engine in favor of competitor, would give them even more control and status, and that's total BS.

Why can't people simply choose which search engine they want? Give them an option when the browser starts (IE already prompts during an upgrade which language you want) and go from there.

Personally, I don't like it when ANY browser forces a search engine, I don't give a damn what search engine it is, let me choose, and quit making my decisions for me..

I find it a hassle to remember to keep changing it, everytime I install a new browser.

Google may get their wish, but if I were MS CEO, I would say fine, but make this a requirement for ALL browsers, not just IE.

If there is a switch to make ALL browsers prompt after initial installation, then I would side with Google, otherwise, they can kiss my ass.

"I would rank them by alphabet, which would still put Google first, so they still win."

What???

"But, Google is making it unfair they are forcing MS into a position where they have to demote and unpromote their OWN search engine, which is a rediculous request."

It is, and if MS has any balls left after the EU gets done kicking them, they'll tell Google to take a flying leap.

"Why can't people simply choose which search engine they want? Give them an option when the browser starts (IE already prompts during an upgrade which language you want) and go from there."

They do. It's the first page launched. The article is misleading in that respect. It *is* preset to MSN, but the first page explicitly tells the user how to change it.

"I find it a hassle to remember to keep changing it, everytime I install a new browser.

IE7 *should* check IE for a default, and use that one. I was under the impression it did. Do you want it to check for Firefox's, and Opera's defaults too? What if they're different?

"then I would side with Google, otherwise, they can kiss my ass."

...not even going to touch that one. What you and Sergey do in private is completely up to you. ;P

*"I would rank them by alphabet, which would still put Google first, so they still win."

What???*

Is there a search provider that's alphabetical that is A-F? I can't think of one... At least a major one.

AOL doesn't count! And neither does Ask!

'I would rank them by alphabet, which would still put Google first'

-> ..."search engines are listed alphabetically, meaning several smaller providers, such as Ask.com [or Altavista just to bring another name in the mix], are listed before Google."

Microsoft is listing them alphabetically and Google still has their diaper full. Google is playing with the big boys now. Business does not mean giving handouts to billion-dollar babies.

If you're going to start indiscriminantly tossing providers out, do I get to toss out Yahoo!?

It shouldn't, anyway.

Especially when that 'baby' is kicking your arse up and down the block in market-share.

Altavista.. ah, forgot that one.

It still makes better sense to sort alphabetically, am I like crazy for thinking this?

Which providers am I missing? Maybe I am having a mental block..haha..

You throw out Yahoo anyway! I throw out Google, and you throw out Yahoo. Its like picking jurors..haha..

Your honor, rijp elects to remove Google from the panel, and in retaliation, PC_Tool elects to eliminate Yahoo!

Thank God we don't actually havethat much power, eh?

No.

But I'm sure there are many other reasons for which you are. ;)

Actually it may be worth giving up Yahoo, if Google goes down.. I could take that!

add the following to your hosts file:


127.0.0.1 Google.Com
127.0.0.1 Yahoo.com

(Been a while since I used a hosts file, and BN screwed the formatting, but you get the picture)

Problem solved. *grin*

What's a host file? Is that for some web site or game show person?

127, is that the esc character in ascii?

are those periods or decimals? and are those o's as in Google or 0's as in 100?

lmao...

Yeah, okay. Forget I said anything.

ask.com, you know--the one this article SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS!

This Google and MS thing is too stupid to even comment on but I did want to thank you guys, rijp and pc_tool, because I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. This forum has really gone to the deep end of personal feelings most of the time but this thread really just had me laughin and laughin and laughin.

Thanks guys, I needed that!

hhaa.... too funny.

Innovation by crying that their competitors don't lick their boots every day.