Bing vs. Google rematch on video search

By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published November 11, 2009, 6:08 PM

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We've known that Microsoft still has work remaining in its itinerary to build Bing into a more competitive search engine -- we knew at launch time that not every feature would compete on an absolute par against Google. If it did, then MSN and Windows Live would have been far more popular. But when Microsoft steps forward to say, "Now, we really have something competitive in this department," it's difficult to give Bing the same number of "Mulligans" as we did at the beginning.

This morning, Microsoft rolled out some replacements to its old MSN Video search engine -- which had remained online all this time -- to produce Bing Video. Like Google Video and unlike YouTube, Bing Video is not a host; it's a search service for publicly accessible videos. So YouTube videos, although hosted by Google, should appear on Bing as well. The differentiator here, theoretically, should not be inventory, since both services should have access to the same material. Instead, it should be how the material is presented, and whether the search process provides access to not only what the user is looking for, but material that may also be pertinent, relevant, and interesting.

So this Betanews comparison does not pit Bing against YouTube -- let's be clear about that. This compares Bing Video against Google Video, similar to our initial test of the two services last June.

With today being Veterans' Day in the US, I decided to devote our search themes for this contest to the bigger, braver battles that Americans have fought in the interests of our freedom and prosperity, so that we're able to spend time dealing in more mundane things like browsing through videos. I began with an easy search for "D-Day" footage -- I want to see if I can locate the small amount of actual footage shot of the Allies storming the Normandy beaches.

A search for D-Day videos in Bing Video Search doesn't necessarily pull up footage of the historic event.

What's D-Day to some of us who appreciate the extreme sacrifices of the Allies in saving the world, isn't D-Day to everyone, apparently. Since search engines trust the titles of videos to be truthful about their contents, 6 of the first 20 results returned by Bing actually showed amateur video of paintball competitions called "D-Day," and one was a stop-motion animation using plastic soldiers attacking a beach fortification made of Styrofoam.

The same search for D-Day footage in Google Video Search has a few anomalies, but is more historical.

By comparison, the first 15 items returned by Google were of legitimate historical D-Day footage, while #16 was the same silly Styrofoam recreation. (The title does say "D-Day Lost Combat Reels," but the word "stop-motion" might also give other clues.) In all, 17 of the top 20 videos Google returned contained D-Day footage, while one contained recent footage of the D-Day Memorial in Normandy.

You'd think adding material to the search would narrow things down significantly -- for example, making the query "D-Day" footage Normandy invasion. And for Google Video, it does, with the first 45 items retrieved showing authentic Normandy footage. Only item #46 in Google's retrieval shows footage from paintball competitors (even though "Normandy" is nowhere close to "Oklahoma"). Item #12 for Bing Video involves paintball, while #11 shows footage of a legitimate amateur D-Day recreation in Ohio (again, nowhere close to Normandy).

In browsing through selected videos, Bing continues to show one of its bright spots: the ability to play a segment of the video directly within the thumbnail, complete with sound, before the user actually selects it. This gives the user more of an opportunity to see whether this is actually something she really wants to be seeing. Google Video currently has no counterpart to this, and it really should, although one wonders whether Google's looking for an opportunity to roll the feature out when no one is noticing.

This is especially useful for previewing videos hosted by other sites, especially universities, where embedding isn't normally supported. For example, when we tried a search for the classic 1952 Edward R. Murrow See It Now documentary on "Christmas in Korea" (the query here being Korea Murrow "See It Now"), most of the sites with the longest relevant clips (some of them including the Korea show, some not) are on a non-embedding site, such as Kansas University's Journalism Dept. Pulling up the whole video would mean leaving the search engine.

However, a video's thumbnail alone doesn't often tell you whether it might contain a minute or two from the edition featuring Murrow's tour with US troops in the Korean War. So Bing's ability to preview even non-embeddable videos here is extremely helpful; with only a thumbnail to go on, the only way for you to test a video pulled up by Google is to travel off-site.

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Scott, not sure how you can generalize and say that people are only "looking" for specific information when they search. Some people do like to "browse."

Either way, I did a search on Google Video for Episodes of specific TV Shows. I was not able to find the full episodes on Google. I was able to find them on Bing. http://www.bing.com/vide...nres?q=browse:tv/genres

I then looked for specific TV shows Episodes from specific US Cable Network Shows such as Bravo. Could not find them on Google Video but was able to find them on Bing. http://www.bing.com/videos/browse/tv/networks

As you can see, I like to browse, and you like to search. Bing is a better video browse engine for me. I don't treat it as a "tool."

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"Bing Video would still benefit from stepping aside even further, however, from its former role as a YouTube competitor. Like Google Video, Bing Video should realize that the user of a search engine isn't really a browser, or a "person who browses" -- he's someone who's looking for something specific. So showing "Recently Commented Videos" and "Most Watched" videos on unrelated topics to the search at hand, is not a help but a hindrance in this context."

I couldn't agree more with you on this point. Attention BING - make the ""Recently Commented Videos" and "Most Watched" videos" options a button which takes you to a listing or preview page of content. We, your users, do not care to see it on our search results, nor do we want to have it slow down the rendering of the page.

"Another feature Bing Video could stand to lose is "Up Next," a holdover from the MSN days. Here, the service has pre-selected a queue of videos for you to watch -- not videos pertaining to your search, just something it happened to pull up."

Again, attention BING - Come on already! This was annoying then and is really annoying now.

Sorry, but for me that was one of the BING killers. I will stick with Google.

Oh - and unfortunately for BING - we "average" internet users, don't give you a second, third, forth, ...fortieth chance to get it right.

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Maybe I'm reading that first page wrong, but it sounds like it's saying Google returned more relevant results to the *intention* of the query - real footage of D-Day. If that's true I would think it would automatically tip things in favor of Google Video. It seems like things remain pretty much the same here: Google has a better back-end search engine (despite Bing's "decision engine" claims to the contrary), while Bing presents things a bit better. For me spiffier, even handier presentation doesn't make up for mediocre search results though. Google FTW! ;-)

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Google _did_ return more relevant results to the intention of the query, no question. I don't think Bing absolutely obstructed the ability to find a good result, but it did present less relevant results up front. If Google were to add one of those missing presentation features -- for instance, hover-over-thumbnail previews -- then I think that would be enough to tip the balance in favor of Google, in my opinion. And who knows, that could happen tomorrow?

-SF "Doesn't Want To Bet Too Much Money Though" 3

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I dislike Google, but Bing is just crap! I will use Google a millions times before I use Bing again. Yahoo, isn't even considered.

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With all the Worlds Beta Software/Hardware, all you can do is write about the same stuff over and over again. Blah... Will BetaNews ever get back to being innovative, or informative to the base that made you?

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