I am sorry but I really don't care what BB does.. I have been a netflix fan for years now.

I don't care for Sony's bully tactics (re to spyware etc) either but I dont mind either format personaly. With the exception of the broken DRM. (being an early adopter of several TRUE HD res devices)

Sony must be really desperate to bribe Blockbuster into only carrying only Blu-Ray...
Apparently they realized that people will only start buying their Blu-ray crap aplenty when they've got no choice.

how bout the rumor now floating around that Fox has bought the rights for the Halo movie...

funny...Fox is a Blu-Ray exclusive studio...

If this is true...MS's biggest franchise would not even be released on its High Def format...BLAHAHA!

to the guys below me....

one major advantage I see to HDMI is the ability to send lossless audio and 1080p video over 1 single cable...I think that is a pretty important factor that nobody ever brings up, not only does it offer the highest quality audio and video, but it allows for total simplicity (ie: 1 cable)...yeah yeah its not NEEDED for high def, but you will be up the creek with out a paddle when the movie studios start implementing HDCP...im not saying HDCP is a good thing but when it hits your totally out of luck without HDMI...

to the guy spouting NONSENSE about PS3 problems...yeah sure some consoles have problems, they always will...but I'd bet that it is AT MOST the industry standard 3%~ i'd wager its more like 1-2%...most experts in the field(not you) agree that Sony has produced a rock solid console that doesn't break...

The 360 on the other hand is a hardware NIGHTMARE! between needing to make sure your power brick has proper ventilation, to warping mobo's to cracking solders...to harrier jet disc drives that chew up your games I would say the death rate on the 360 is AT LEAST 10%...more like 15-20% if you ask me...5 of my close friends have 360's (im the only one of us with a PS3) and 2 have had their 360's brick, get replaced and break again...another 2 have had their first systems brick, and the last is the only one still running on a launch system, but it red rings occasionally...talk about crap...

and about the controllers...how does the PS3 controller feel cheap?..is it because they happened to make it light?...light=cheap nowadays? so like a Ferrari F50's carbon fiber body is cheap because it is light and feels flimsy to the touch?...yeah didnt think so...and the motion in the SIXAXIS is actually more sophisticated than the Wiimote in reality...and about the rumble...the only reason it was not included was because MS and Sony were sued by immersion over the rumble technology...MS just chose the easy way out and paid immersion and settled...Sony took the case to court...and the PS3 was finalized before the court decision (against Sony) was made...

and the "vastly" superior online service...first of all i dont think Live is all its cracked up to be...all i give a hoot about is playing the games online...and Sony lets me do that lag free...for well...FREE...unlike MS which will give you a castrated XBL for free...but to make it worth anything you need to pay $50 a year for it...bogus!...wait till Home is released to the public...it will totally change your perspective of what online gaming can be...

Checks thread, hm this is NOT a videogame thread this is about the formats, xbox does not use hd-dvd for its games so this is a non issue. HDMI is nice but the average user is not going to know the difference.

Since you brought it up Sony is DYING the games are not showing up Xbox in anyway, all the developers are leaving and they are losing exclusives, they think lowering the system is going to get more people to buy it? People are not buying it because there is nothing it can do better then Xbox.

PS3 has great potential (so did 3do and we all know where they went) but will it be realized before the bell sounds?

Jesus, DVD is still the standard neither one of these formats mean anything to the average consumer, its going to come down to price, unless sony makes blu-ray reasonably priced the consumer is going to pick hd-dvd because its cheaper. It doesn't matter which one sounds/looks better because if it did people would not be downloading mp3s by the boatload.

Great News!

Blu-Ray will win the war :)

The sooner the better. One of these formats please just win. This crap gets old.

I leave the sorting out of this mess to you guys. I'll stick to my dvd's till then. Someone drop me a memo when the parade is for the winner at nyc.

Since HD DVD is the official successor to DVD, and Blu-Ray is a second option being forced upon us by Sony, I find it interesting that Blockbuster is choosing Blu-Ray to carry in the stores. I wonder how much Sony is paying them.

In case this is news to anyone, the DVD Forum voted to support HD DVD as the high definition successor of the standard DVD. At this meeting, they also renamed it HD DVD. HD DVD stands for "High Definition Digital Versatile Disc". The format had previously been called the "Advanced Optical Disc" (AOD).

DVD Forum were fools to believe they could dictate the standards. Why on earth do you think basically everyone aside from Toshiba and Microsoft went with Blu-Ray? Toshiba even have to pay Universal to stay on their side....

Oh really? From where I'm standing, the original DVD did rather well. Yup, definitely fools. *roll eyes*

Just like Sony is paying Blockbuster to do this.

Who mentioned anything about DVD. And what other technologies were competing at the time?

Please we would all LOVE to know..

idiot...

Blu-ray and the PS3 will do extremely well this generation.

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Who`s that "Hollywood__" ? Some retard here?

Both you and Hollywood__ are a laughing stock.

WOW, this must be the idiots lair.

I haven't posted here in months and now every one pretends that he knows me :)

Just too funny. Huge "battle between formats" and consumers are going "HD-huh?". This is stupid. It will take YEARS before HD really hits the mainstream.

You havn't walked into BestBuy recently then...

90% of TV's are now HD. The HD boom is just around the corner...

Just because there are tvs that have hd ability doesn't mean anyone wants to give up their collection of standard dvds and migrate to a format that may or may not exist later.

Won't make any different to me, I don't use blockbuster for a start and the second thing is I don't have HD, nor am I going to for many a year yet until the system is sorted out.If Sony system is chosen, then I am staying away from HD.

Jesus, you are so insanely blinded by idiocy...like the corporations backing HD-DVD are so consumer friendly (HELLO!? MICROSOFT!?)

W....O....W....!

Because???

Lets all laugh at you in 5 years time, when HD is the norm, and the standard is Blu-Ray.

Much in the same way people are already laughing at HD-DVD owners with obsolete kit, and 360 owners who have their consoles obsoleted every damn year, buy a new model...

LOL! In 5 years they will probably both be dead and people will be downloading them over the internet!

"Much in the same way people are already laughing at HD-DVD owners with obsolete kit, and 360 owners who have their consoles obsoleted every damn year, buy a new model"

Nah. I am quite happy with my HD-DVD and my 360 that is supposedly "obsolete." Considering it still can do everything the elite can do except broadcast over HDMI(which has been proven doesn't make a hill of beans) I am perfectly happy with my purchase. At least with my console I actually have some decent games to play. Also I don't have a cheap feeling controller, with a gimmicky motion sensing system instead of rumble. Then I have a far superior online service. What do you have? Pretty looking space heater?

LOL, no HMDI, crappy HD-DVD audio quality, added to noisy and unreliable console that overheats and scratches discs...

Microsoft saw you coming...

The HD-DVD audio quality is fine. The console is not noisy during movie playback.(I know this because *gasp* I have actually used the product I am talking about)

"unreliable console that overheats and scratches discs..."
This is no where near as big of a widespread issue as you POS3 fangirls would like everyone to believe. The POS3 has its' issues as well they just haven't sold enough for it to be very widespread yet. I have seen plenty of videos of a PS3s' drive not taking in a disc, or making a grinding noise once the disc was in the drive. I have also seen the POS3 giving the red lights. If you think the POS3 is without problems you are more naive than I thought.

LOL. Listen to this guy..

The only people that seem to believe 360 failure rates, are YOU and Microsoft.

The HD-DVD audio problems are widespread, that's why they are trying to dump stock of them for $60.... The disc scratching issue is so bad, the European Commission are investing Microsoft over it. The overheating and red rings of death are so widespread, I can't even believe you attempt to pretend they don't exist. It's almost universally accepted the failure rates are close to 30% (1 in 3)

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated"

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=40016

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=25864

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtekT1_W1BE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZQA2zGihCs

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=73670

Why you do keep bringing up HMDI? I fail to see how HMDI is a good thing. It places more restrictions on the end user than any other type of connection. You just keep spouting that garbage. Too bad no one is listening.

"It's almost universally accepted the failure rates are close to 30% (1 in 3)"

None of those articles support your little conspiracy theory that there is anywhere near a 30% failure rate. Granted there are a larger than normal, but 30% is a far exaggerated number. I might believe 6-7%, but nobody has 30%!

You really have no clue. You do not need HDMI (DRM) to watch a movie in high def. My tv is 1080i so I don't need any stinking HDMI. Sound is better on my HD DVD than the limited Pcrap3.

There is no sound problem with HD-DVD. There was with one first generation drive but that was fixed with a firmware update. You should be able to relate to these as SOny is always making a new one themselves. If there was a sound problem at least I could still play my disks because they are not rotting. This has been found on other more than one title so the manufacturing issue must be largr than thought.

As far as your links if you look hard enough you can find sites bashing anything if you troll around long enough. Youtube is a reputable sit for news for me as is the inquirer. Keep trolling though.

Even if it is the case at least MS is helping the consumer and not saying oh to bad buy an other one like $ony does.

I would trust MS long before $ony. Have you looked to see who puts office automation in the fast lane its MS. Their products are innovative and the leaders in the industry.

You do realise that Microsoft have stopped the free repairs outside warranty...

Sure that's helping the customer...

I hope you enjoy your red ring of death, if of course it's not destoryed all your game disks by then....

It seems you conviently forgot to mention you can't get True Hd Sound or Dolby Digitla Plus from a Xbox360 with HD-DVD add-on. What a pile of turd....

Your a fool. Microsoft don't innovate. They buy companies tht innvoate...

I would check your facts before you look a bigger fool....

The only thing I like about hdmi is it makes it easy for my laptop to sync to my hdtv other then that its just another connection like composite, component, a/v dvi etc etc

Sony claimed that the blo-ray in the PS3 will support all codecs what part of this do you see as a lie. To my knowledge MS never claimed to support all codecs. SOny lies like the carpet at my feet.

From what I have read if you move the system or knock it over when a disk is spinning the disk maybe damaged. The cure s simple dont move the system when the power is on. At least the 360 has games worth putting in the system can't say that for the PS3.

My system has been great so I am not worried. Like I have stated before I don't even know if my PS3 works since I have no reason to turn it one.

I had to replace my PS2 three times you don't see me posting this in every single thread like you do. Sony did nothing NOTHING to help when that happened. At least MS tried.

You a the true turd and your previous posts prove it.

The products have Microsofts name so it is there product. If you knew anything you would be able to comprehend just what MS products can do for the workplace. The new exchange is an awesome product what is better Notes I think not. Last time I check MS has been making Exchange for a long time. Who cares if they buy companies. You are just jealous that SOny does't have deep pockets like MS. I work in technology do you ja.

This is gone to far off topic.

And what Blu-Ray codec are missing then. Would love to hear this one...

If you are going to make a point, the sites listed are very poor choices as it sounds like a bunch of 10 year olds who just discovered profanity.

YOU = FAIL

Also to note at least 3 of those are meant for sarcasm only not to be taken seriousily.

I have already told you bone head if you can not read it is your own fault.

This is very true the ps2 had disk read errors and sony KNEW the lasers were defective and they stated anyone that called in on it as long as the machine had not been modified they would replace it free of charge.

It depended on who you got when you called some people would say yes others would try charging you the $100 dollars to fix it but there was no surefire way of who you called you would get it replaced.

The PS1 was a lot of problems as well I remember to get it working if you flipped it upside down it would work for a little bit longer. The thing is if you compare the failure rates of the ps2 to what the xbox360 they would be about equal maybe worse on the ps2.

Maybe, the xbox360 is far from perfect but its their second console, sony is on their third and should have gotten it right the 3rd time around. Regardless, its still selling whereas the ps3 has nothing going for it yet, granted this could change but as of now theres no difference the average user can see in the two consoles other then the xbox has more games and costs less.

(wow, has this gone WAY off topic)

Again, name the missing Blu-Ray codecs....

Ok A hole I mentioned it before and I'll say it again, DTS Master Audio does not exist on the Pcrap3.

well i think if i was gonna rent a HD dvd i would stick with blu-ray, sony has always been good quality to me for its value, and the whole bleray medium is just way more juicer, but i mean who rents movies nowadays, who can even afford a HD tv + HD dvd player, like ill just download the damn thing and watch it in preem quality on my LCD monitor by my bed, its way more comfortable, however as these devices come more affordable i will get one just so if a time comes where i do need it , i have it, id rather just get a drive for my pc thow, pretty soon its just gonna be all on demand, no discs, no networks just whatever you want when you want it. company's have already noticed that thats how the pc world watches tv.

"sony has always been good quality to me for its value"

This was a joke right??

I hope so. Too bad this "value" he speaks of comes with rootkits! =0

Please explain....

Where have you been?

From under his rock.

lol- is blockbuster still around?

i don't think I have rented a movie from a 'video store' since the late 90s; between 'video-on-demand', Netflix and $5 DVDs at BestBuy/MovieStop/Wal-Mart (oh, and UseNet) I haven't had to resort to the drudgery of a blockbuster rental/return (mmmm, late fees!); this business model is antiquated will be obsolete in the next few years.

what about 'hollywood video'; are those guys still in business?

We've given up renting films, it costs the same to buy a film as to rent 2 at our local Blockbuster. As we always buy the films we like it makes more sense to just buy them from the start, if we don't like them (it has only happened a couple of times) we sell them on.

As for which is the better format... the one that becomes the eventual standard. Until there is just the one, or all players are dual format, we won't be making the switch from regular DVD. Interestingly enough, this is also the approach taken by all our friends and relatives.

The average person on the street will make the final decision by buying, or not, the players and discs. For them there is nothing to choose between the formats other than the price. They couldn't care less if one can store 2 extra interviews worth of data, or the other can be copied easier. The price that's what it will all boil down to. Oh and when I say the people on the street I'm talking about the millions upon millions who never go on sites like this, never read DVD magazines, etc. They go in Tesco to do their shopping and pick up a new player, usually because their old one has broke...

"The average person on the street will make the final decision by buying, or not, the players and discs. For them there is nothing to choose between the formats other than the price. They couldn't care less if one can store 2 extra interviews worth of data, or the other can be copied easier. The price that's what it will all boil down to. Oh and when I say the people on the street I'm talking about the millions upon millions who never go on sites like this, never read DVD magazines, etc. They go in Tesco to do their shopping and pick up a new player, usually because their old one has broke..."

This is exactly what I have been saying all along. The format war has not started until the average person starts adopting. HD-DVD is always going to be the cheaper one. They are going to go for the cheaper just like they did with betamax vs VHS. Betamax was better, but VHS was cheaper. We all know how that one turned out.

This time around HD-DVD is better AND cheaper. Blu-Ray movies and players are a complete waste of money.

Right you are there.

Better? I think you are mistaken...

They take an age to boot up (nearly 2 minutes), are loud. Have a lousy 15GB per layer, 45% less bandwidth than Blu-Ray and are supported only by Toshiba..

Sure they are better. In your dreams...

"They take an age to boot up (nearly 2 minutes)"
They don't anymore. That was the early players. Blu-Ray wasn't exactly speedy either genius.

"are loud."
Are you on crack? The HD-DVD players are in no way loud.

"Have a lousy 15GB per layer,"
Which they can make into a triple layer and surpass Blu-Ray's capacity.

"45% less bandwidth than Blu-Ray and are supported only by Toshiba"
There is plenty of bandwidth, and they are supported by more than just Toshiba. Do you get some kind of enjoyment out of spouting total and complete BS?

While I can't agree that HD-DVD is truley "better" than Blu-Ray (it is too much of a point-of-view opinion than a proveable fact--and Blu-Ray discs do have a greater capacity potential than HD-DVD discs if I'm not mistaken), the price point is the biggest factor of the eventual victor, followed very closely by the exclusive titles specific to either format playing a major role. Game consoles, 1080p vs. 1080i, etc. etc.--those are down the list of important factors determining their fate. DVD quality is good enough for most folks out there, so a better quality alternative vs. a super better quality alternative is secondary anyway--so even with the quality argument, if Blu-Ray is better than HD-DVD, it means squat in the real world.

Hey Benjamin / Dave,

Remember, I am the one who owns a BD player, not you.

Blockbuster is owned by Viacom. Sony is in bed with Viacom, there's a real shocker.

Dave, you sound like a little kid who is frustrated and can't get anyone to go along with his BS. The fact is Nextflix rents both formats and Blockbuster has been a sinking ship for years.

Again, you think I actually care who wins this format war, but I don't. You on the other hand pee your pants anytime a story comes up on Betanews regarding either format so you can spout more of your nonsense.

You are a complete joke on here and everyone knows it.

You know, I am tired of this tug-o-war. Can't they just pick one and stick with it?!? HD-DVD has good news, Blu-Ray has good news; then HD-DVD has good news again, then Blu-Ray gets it...geez, pick a dang format and get it over with, rather than destroying them both by this needless struggle.

FYI: Blockbuster is making a huge mistake. They are showing their stupidity by doing this, as they are struggling as is. Support for both could have given them an edge over the lesser-rental places, but now they lowered their value even in the "oldschool" movie rental arena. *sigh* It's their funeral...

LOL.. They lost me as a customer. Time to go where I have a choice. I remember when Hollywood video didn't put out DVDs. I also left them and never looked back.

Netflix is looking much better.

Check out this thread at AV Science Forum...looks like a few titles are having coating problems that look like rot or something. Better be some isolated incidents of BB will be scwrud.

http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=857067

where is Hollywood now!?....come on Hollywood...where is the PS3/Blu-Ray is DAH UBER SUXOR! comment?...

this is HUGE for Blu-Ray....read the article...there is NO WAY to spin this for HD-DVD...Blu-Ray is the superior format and its showing...if Blu-Ray was so far behind as you guys would like, then Blockbuster would be choosing HD-DVD and that is a plain fact! Continue to spin away though and see how you can try and turn this into an anti-sony/ps3 discussion...

and about the PS3 sales...go back and check how many 360's had been sold so far in its lifecycle...compared to PS3's sold...its not as big a lead as you would think...

Lol...Thats ok...As I have said many times the format war has not started yet. HD-DVD will soon be putting out $200 players and the tables are going to turn in a hurry.

"and about the PS3 sales...go back and check how many 360's had been sold so far in its lifecycle...compared to PS3's sold...its not as big a lead as you would think..."

The 360 is outselling the PS3 2 to 1 meaning it is only getting farther and farther ahead.

Sure the mystical $200 HD-DVD player. Wake me up when it happens.....

Toshiba are already subsidising HD-DVD in a very big way, with no revenue stream to win it back. They are losing a small fortune paying Universal to stick by them. $200 HD-DVD players are not going to happen anytime soon.

However, the other side of the coin. Sony and others are producing Blu-Ray players by the millions, and will able to bring on cost reductions quicker due to production quantities, in addition to having revenue streams to get money back.

I think it's a safe bet which format will get the cheap players on the shelves first...

Producing millions and selling ten of thousands thats a good business strategy.

Funny, I can count 4.5 MILLION Blu-Ray players out there sold....

"Sure the mystical $200 HD-DVD player. Wake me up when it happens....."
Oh trust me I will.

"However, the other side of the coin. Sony and others are producing Blu-Ray players by the millions, and will able to bring on cost reductions quicker due to production quantities"
Doesn't matter a hill of beans how many they are producing if they aren't selling.

"in addition to having revenue streams to get money back."
ROFL!!!! Are we talking about the same Sony here? Last I checked they were losing money hand over foot.

"I think it's a safe bet which format will get the cheap players on the shelves first..."
It is a safe bet. HD-DVD which is the cheaper format to produce is going to. Blo-Ray is still a long aways away from $200 while HD-DVD is already nearly there.

Might want to do your math again. There isn't even 4.5 million counting set-tops and PS3s. Then there is the fact that the majority of PS3 owners are not buying Blo-Ray otherwise the sales would be MUCH better than they are.

funny i dont see any link from you motherfuker

Wow, another nickname for Dave. Your frustration and desperation are the only things that are showing.

Yeah those set top boxes are fling off the shelves. That is what is going to decide the winner not a stupid video game system that most people could care less about.

Dave uses whatever gorilla math is convenient at the time.

He always seems to dodge every direct question and insult I hurl at him because he knows I'm right and vasty more intelligent.

look at sales at this point in its life cycle!...the 360 was not much further ahead at this point than the PS3 is!...its had a year to build a library...give the PS3 time for its A list games to come out and things will change...

your blind hatred for Sony is insane...

Anyone find this funny, that Hollwood thinks everyone that likes either PS3 or Blu-Ray, MUST be DaveBG...

It's called denial, basically, Blu-Ray is fast outpacing HD DVD, but you can't accept it, and just respond with pathetic responses to suggest everyone here is the same person. LOL

And 360 failure rates are at least 10 times higher than a PS3. Your point being???

By stupid video game system, you mean the best upscaling DVD player on the market, the best Blu-Ray player on the market, and the best console on the market...

Anyone notice how the idiots here, 1 minute tell us that PS3 sucks, and nobody is buying it for gaming, they buy it because it's a cheap Blu-Ray player. Now it's the other way round..

Make up your mind Xbots....

Wow...Did you let a kid write your post?

He's in denial because he thinks that a bunch of retards that all act the same are the same person. That doesn't even make any sense!

"It's called denial, basically, Blu-Ray is fast outpacing HD DVD"
HD DVD Sales Double in May
http://www.betanews.com/...ouble_in_May/1181591963
HD DVD: 'Still Very Much in the Game'
http://www.betanews.com/..._in_the_Game/1177544785
Just the opposite looks like to me.

Link? Oh I forgot. You Sony fangirls pull random BS out of your a** and try to pass it as fact.

LOL!!! That was last years numbers! The sales "should" be lower this year, but instead they are higher and doubling the PS3 sales 2 to 1.

"ive the PS3 time for its A list games to come out and things will change..."
What A list games? lol All of their good exclusives are jumping ship over to the 360. Also the 360 has 2 better games for each of their "A list games."

"your blind hatred for Sony is insane..."
No it's not blind. I can see their BS quite well. Rootkit anyone?

Nope. I never said it was good for either one. If a game console is their best player, then that is pretty sad.

"and the best console on the market..."
Wrong! The 360 has the best games, best controller, and the best online system. You know the parts that count on a "game" system.

"vastly more intelligent."
That doesn't say much lol.

"Blu-Ray is fast outpacing HD DVD, but you can't accept it"

Wait.. what? Since when? I've said this many times before, you can't just make something up and then keep wishing it to become true. That's not how the real world works. Blu-Ray is *NOT* out-pacing anything. Just because Sony forced Blu-Ray down everyone's throat with the PS3, doesn't mean they automatically win. I know you Sony shills would like to think that, but no. Just face the facts, the PS3 is dead in the water and isn't going to save Sony or Blu-Ray.

Just look at all the articles coming out almost daily. Sony cutting jobs in Europe, then in the States, canceling services, etc. They're cutting off limbs to try and save the body because the PS3 is bleeding them dry.

Personally, I can't wait until Sony goes under or at least is forced to sell of their gaming division and gets the hell out of the console business. I'm sick of those arrogant jerks who think they can dictate what consumers want. We know what we want and we'll vote using our dollars. We don't need Sony telling us what's best for us.

Maddox summed it up best: http://www.thebestpagein....net/c.cgi?u=sony_bulls***
The link won't work because the last word is censored, but I'm sure you can figure out the last 3 letters you have to add to make it work. ;)

Yes the majority of people could give a crap about any video game system, don't be an idiot like you usually are.

I did buy the PS3 and so far think it sucks. I didn't buy it because it was a cheap blo-ray player. Maybe I bought the thing because I thought that it might be fun. Yet again I am not impressed, not even slighlty. The shining black box sits in the family room and collects dust. Just because I don't like the newest toy that Sony has to offer does not make me wrong. There is something called preference and I prefer not to like the PS3, for God's sake over it already.

Ok I'll make you happy there is something that I do like about the PS3 and that is it makes for a very costly paper weight. There are you happy!

You really twist stuff around in your feable little mind.

HD-DVD is dying badly....

A typical UK store display (Virgin):
http://i17.tinypic.com/2vv115t.jpg

I'm sure it is Ray. *wink* We can trust you on this because your not biased or anything........Oh wait.

You don't have to trust me, the picture speaks for itself..

Sorry if it's not the news you wanted, life sucks...

Ray Dorset is Dave as well. He posted that same pic a couple of months ago.

He logs in under four or five names and pretends to be different people. That is truly the sign of a loser.

Link? This might be interesting...

It's beyond the realms of imposability, that he copied the link from the original author...

ROFL!!!! You actually think that 1 picture by a some idiotic Sony fangirl is going to make life suck? I am sure there are plenty of stores out there that is just the opposite of what you have pictured above.

"Sorry if it's not the news you wanted"
Lol ok. Sorry Sony fangirl fantasies are not "news." Although I must say they are entertaining.

oh i didnt know that, omg..., dude why dont just shut the hell up???? fukin tea-drinker motherfuker

You just proved it. Did you forget that you were Ray, not Ben on the previous post?

You forgot to show whole picture with the rest of the HD-DVD's on the shelf.

?????

Sunday afternoon at one of the biggest Best Buys in Tampa Florida. Playstation 3 and Xbox 360: In Stock. Nintendo Wii: Out of Stock

Enough Said...

People don't want a console to play movies, or show the sweat on a US Army personal. They want fun games, and sometimes that involves playing mini-games by hurting rabbits....

The only way Best Buy is advertising selling Playstation 3's is with a $2500 HD-TV Plasma Sony TV. The price is $2000, do the math, they are basicly giving away the PS 3

Nope, it's called trying to get rid of expensive HDTV's by bundling desirable products....

See you can spin your information whichever way you want...

Nah. Then they would bundle a 360. As shown by sales not too many people desire an overpriced space heater, whenever they can have the cheaper 360 and a much better game library.

a space heater? that comment should be left for the 360...the 360 is the one bricking left and right due to overheating warped mobo's....it creates so much heat that MS had to put the powersupply on the OUTSIDE...

MS put the power supply on the outside to reduce the 360s size genius. Also that comment doesn't fit the 360 because it can actually do more than heat your room. You can actually *gasp* play some decent games on it.

XBox360 is not a very good way to show off a HDTV. It's a SD Console hacked to do HD, and then only certain TV's work in 1080p...

For true HD, you need PS3 or 360 Elite... Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves...

I could give a crap about 1080p since my two year TV only does 1080i. I'm not going to replace my tv for a game system. The 360 and PS3 both look great on my TV so I am happy.

Considering the fact that most people doesn't have a 1080p TV anyway guess it doesn't really matter. Also the new buyers would probably go for an elite if they desired 1080p. Also at least whenever you buy a 360 they actually include the cables required to transmit in HD unlike $ony.

"For true HD, you need PS3 or 360 Elite... Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves..."
Wrong again you are. Most people probably couldn't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. Especially if their set is under 50in which is the majority.

Listen to yourself the spin doctor.

To bad there arn't any PS3 game's runnning at 1080p. The Gran Turismo E3 demo did, but currently no games. 1080p in the PS3 is mostly used for Blow-Hard, cough, Blu-Ray movies and their Rootkits, cough cough (sorry I'm sick), DRM (HDMI).

No, it makes since because you can actually buy games for the 360. The 360 has more games and basically the same games out on the PS3. So why else would you use your PS3? You also get achievements on the 360 too, so that gives you an incentive to play the 360 version over any other version (PC or PS3).

"Also at least whenever you buy a 360 they actually include the cables required to transmit in HD unlike $ony."

Wow, you really are a loser, if you base your console choice, on if they include a $5 cable...

I don't base it on the cable. I base it on the games, controller, and online service. All of which the 360 dominates. Also the average consumer probably doesn't know that they can go online and get the cable for $5, thus they end up paying about $80-$100 to some electronic store.

I just find it funny how the PS3 is supposedly this high def beast, yet they don't even include the hardware required to broadcast in HD.

Sorry to make you look at idiot, but a post from the same site, 3 months later (and still pre-launch) shows your plain wrong..

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153941

"Phil Harrison, president of their Worldwide Studios division, he proudly pointed to six playable games running in 1080p at this year's Tokyo Game Show.

Lair, Mobile Suit Gundam , Virtua Tennis 3 , Gran Turismo HD , Ridge Racer 7 and NBA '07 (which is not playable on the TGS show floor, but featured at Sony's private event) are all currently running in 1080p, and Sony expects the number only to increase going forward."

Some very embarrased Microsoft execs:
http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=18975

And bobthegoatshagger

Oh my gawd! 6 games!

"Sorry to make you look at idiot"

You don't have to apologize for looking like an idiot.

Anyone notice Betanews trying to desperatly post a positive spin here and pretend it's a temporary decision?

"Blockbuster to Expand Blu-ray Retail Titles First, HD DVD May Wait"

However, BBC and Slashdot tell us that the only stores in the US, are 250 (out of 1,450) that currently have HD-DVD, and they will continue with the existing titles, but new releases will be Blu-Ray:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6762621.stm

Film rental firm Blockbuster is to rent high-definition DVDs only in the Blu-ray format at 1,450 US stores.

http://hardware.slashdot.../07/06/18/1340222.shtml

"Blockbuster now plans to stock Blu-ray only in 1450 of it's stores, but says the 250 stores with the HD-DVD movies will be kept on the shelf."

I'm not sure what your point is, Benjamin, since that's exactly what we said as well.

-SF3

Great news. !!! Good bye hd dvd.

Yes Blockbuster controls the market. Get real.

That's ok. HD-DVD's next price drop will probably greatly increase sales, and this wont matter. Once they reach the $200 mark the players are going to fly off the shelves. Blo-Ray is a long ways away from being $200, while HD-DVD will soon be there.

Ah and this just in looks like Blu-Rays sales are not the only thing that is going to be rotting. http://www.engadget.com/...oatings-starting-to-rot/
Guess we are going to haft to start calling it Blu-Rot now lmao!

Thats just bad publicity. I own a lot of blueray discs ( incluing the prestige) and I've never had an error. Blueray disc works beautifully. The battle won by sony was due to one reason callled: PS3

Nice troll, it's obvious to all, your beloved HD-DUD is on the rocks, and trolling posts like this further prove this.

The "rotting" issue, affects 1 single title, and then, a particular manufacturing batch.

If you want to talk recall's, lets talk about the HUGE HD-DUD disc recall, due to inability to play in Xbox 360 HD-DUD add-on...

Is this suppose to be a sarcasm?

Again, we have someone assuming that everyone in the world wants a PS3... which they DON'T, as evidenced that they're getting their butts soundly kicked by Nintendo's Wii sales...

Here's a clue, dude, so I don't have to give you a dollar to buy one:

Some of us could give a rat's patoot about console games, and would rather spend 600 bucks on a *real* home theatre device.

Really? Guess Blo-Ray is on the rocks as well considering HD-DVD is not far behind it in sales, and trampling it in set-top sales. Also like I said next price drop and it is game over for Blo-Ray. With the next price drop it will be in average consumer range(the ones that will really decide the format war), and it will be game over for Blo-Ray. It is going to end up just like all the other Sony formats.

I like how you count only set-top sales.

In total hardware sales, Blu-Ray trounces HD-DVD by a long margin (4.5 million Blu-Ray vs 200,000 HD-DVD).

The fact is Blu-Ray standalones have not been selling in any numbers, as the PS3 is such a excellent Blu-Ray player. Hell with the recent upscaling update, it's now a reference quality DVD player, on par with the $2000 dennon...

I like how you like to *assume* that all of the people that buy PS3s are buying Blo-Ray movies. This is obviously NOT the case considering that Blo-Ray movies are not outselling HD-DVD by a very large margin.

"4.5 million Blu-Ray"
ROFL!!! 4.5 million. Now that is funny. I like how you pull these exaggerated numbers out of your ass.

Nintendo wii?? jaja, man.. its not about who sells the most. It that was true, Pc's were better than macs.. quality cost more. and with ps3, you get far more quality in graphics, gameplay and overall than any console out there. If you dont wanna waste money then dont ask for quality, cheap mf.. and im not assuming that everybody want a ps3.. but if you play in a hdtv a wii and a ps3, you'll be laughin to what you just post.

Stop b**** about cost... and get a good job..

You have got ot be kidding a reference compared to Denon! Lack of HD sound is reference I think not.

Thinking that a video game system will control a market is a joke. There are more people that could care less about a game system then ones that do. A $200 player on a competing format could be bad in the long run for rot-ray (blo-ray). Time will tell who wins and who loses.

BD players outnumber HD-DVD 15 to 1 but movie sales are barely 2 to 1.

Dave can never respond to this issue because he has no answer.

To me, this says failure on BD's part.

Having a good job has nothing to do with preference. Just because Nintendo's Wii is not HD doesn't make it junk you just don't get it.

It's not about selling the most are you listening to yourself? The name of the game in business is selling the most plain and simple. The fact that the PS3 is lagging both the Wii and the 360 in sales is not good. There is no way to paint that to be a pretty picture. Maybe in the future that will tell but until them not selling the most is hurting Sony's bottom line.

omg dude wtf? just get over with that fukin sh!t!!!!!!!!! just waint until the "war" ends!!! son of a b!tch!!!!!!! g**d*** man sh!t! and you had to start with the fuking console sh!t, you are the fukin troll you @sshole, what a dum@ss

who you calling cheap motherfuker, you motherfuker, dont you realize that WE ALL NEED EXCERCISE IN OUR FUKING LIFE!!!, i played football in high school and im currently playing for VA Tech and im in the best shape of my life and i also own a Wii with Madden NFL 2007 which it plays great you "cheap motherfuker"

Exactly ^^^.

Gee Ray, It's hard to tell you are Dave with a different name.

Answer the question please.

There's no "e" in Blu-Ray, Dave.

How many screen names do you have you freakin retard?

First of all, HD doesn't make a game good. Fact, the Wii shows that (yes, sells matter). Also, PC's 'are' better. Do more for less money, including gaming (though they are becoming more competitive).

And second currently all PS3 games (except the Gran Turismo E3 demo) are in 720p, just like the Xbox 360... which is also selling more than the PS3.

"Stop b**** about cost... and get a good job.."

People are 'b****' because you can get a 360 for $200 cheaper plus get more games and just about all the games that are available on the PS3 (the PS3 also has the least amount of game exclusives). After all that's what a 'gaming' system is all about isn't it, not about hardware?

I've got a ps3 and an xbox 360 and I use both for watching HD movies. Picture quality wise I don't see a difference, but the PS3 has the upper hand in sound because of the HD sound compatibility. However, I have yet to buy a game for the PS3 and I now have 14 for the 360. So yes one is a superior movie player while one is a superior gaming device. My 2 cents :D. Also to keep it on topic, I do see this format war now going to Blu-Ray. At least I have an idea of which format to start buying most of my movies in.

I can't help but notice how ole Benjamin went through and replied to tons of posts, yet I guess he just "happen" to miss this one lol.

best bit about forums Benjamin Linus is no one cares what you say, i got 360 and i got hd-drive and im quite happy. blockbuster is ok for dvds but i use easycinema who also rent hd-dvds and blueray and since they are 1.75 cheaper than blockbusters i dont really care what block do. its shame they have pay off from sony and claim its due to space when they have 20 copies same movie unneeded on shelf and are unable to work out how to sort space issues but its their loss in end i can order my hd-dvds from play.com, amazon, hmv,virgin etc etc etc as well.