Er the 1080p Toshiba HD A20 is currently $280 on Amazon USA right now.

The Gen 3 1080p Toshiba HD A30 is $322.

Most HD TVs are 720p/1080i so the $198 Toshiba HD A2 is just fine for most people.

Why these cretinous fools delude themselves that most people are supposed to give a flying one about 1080p anyways is a real mystery.

.....and the HDMI XBox 360 20gb model is currently $349 (with a 2 game bundle from 29th Oct for the same price).

Once again the pathetic Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboy liars get caught out with their laughable attempts to 'advertise' for their beloved
(do they honestly think anyone listens to their proven lies without checking anymore)

.....and as for their delusions that HD DVD is just Toshiba?
More lies, pure and simple.

Maybe one day when this is all over the f*ckwits at Sony/Blu-ray marketing might - might - just realise that a large part in why they lost (again) in their attempts to foist their proprietary DRM-laden BS on people is because regular early-adopter people got mightily pissed off at being lied and condescended to by their idiot viral morons
(btw I do actually know a guy at Sony & the monster that Blu-ray.com and these types of idiot tossers has become is an embarrassment to them).

Hardly Suprising BluRay is killing HD DVD.

SONY PS3 = $400/500
Xbox 360 + addon = $460~650 (Xbox 0HD ~ Xbox Elite 120HD)

Best Buy Prices for Dedicated Players (Combos not included):

Blue Ray = $450~600 (8 choices) from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp. (At Costco, Walmart - seen them for $400 from time to time)

HD-DVD = $300~500 (5 choices - actually 4) Toshiba, only.
BTW: The $300 Toshiba's DO NOT OUTPUT 1080P, so many people end up buying the $400 version.
All BR Players support 1080p.

Also, Toshiba has a 90warranty. All Players from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp have 1 year warranties.

Pioneer is shipping their BR player in November and I think Philips will ship within the next few weeks as well.

And a $400 PS3 easily has more value than the $400 Toshiba.

You would have to be insane to buy HD DVD

And the worst part for you is the HD is a finalized format. Sony could only wish to be able say the same.

Who cares how many companies make players at this point since most stores only carry the crap $ony boxes anyway.

The bad part for HD DVD is it can't play SACD, oh yeah that is another dead $ony format.

2:1 that is really killing wasn't higher before ratio before proof that HD is catching up!

How many of the machines that you talk about are even 1.1 compliant let me answer that none. Worse than a car obsolete before you even buy it. No matter how you paint crap its still crap.

"And the worst part for you is the HD is a finalized format. Sony could only wish to be able say the same."

***COUGH***51GB Tripple Layer HD DVD***COUGH***

Haven't you already brought this up several times and got shot down each time. Move along moron.

i think i saw some pictures of a fire sale at Walmart for $198 for HD-DVD

Pit$ingo

I saw a picture too buy 1 get one free blo-ray movies.

Besides jagoff what do you even care since you have expressed no interest in either format? Must just want to troll like you always do.

By the way I went to Best buy today they had ten yes ten wiis on the shelf so much for your uneducated prediction of shortage. I guess the only shortage is in the trailer park you live in.

So 51GB tripple layer does not exist right?

IT's AN UNFINALIZED SPEC...

http://www.joystiq.com/2...3-devs-to-stay-on-board/

LOOK AT THE CUTE LITTLE PUPPY!!!

http://www.joystiq.com/2...s-games-division-double/

I believe that many people have gone into great detail on just this topic I guess you forget easily. I am not about to waste my time digging up treads from just a few days ago that discussed this in great detail with you.

"BTW: The $300 Toshiba's DO NOT OUTPUT 1080P, so many people end up buying the $400 version."

How is this an issue? Since the majority of HDTV owners don't have 1080p sets, the idea of having a model without all of the bells and whistles makes sense. This type of move only helps to get more units into homes.

"And a $400 PS3 easily has more value than the $400 Toshiba."

Maybe to you. Some of us are still waiting for a compelling reason to even turn our PS3's on. The games library is fairly lack-luster, at the moment; making it a $400 rarely used movie machine, in my house. The only movies that BR has that I've been interested in, I've imported on HD DVD instead. Furthermore, my 360 and HD DVD players have seen more usage, from the day that I picked up my PS3...hardly seems like a value to me.

Until the PS3's library of exclusive titles is actually compelling, I believe the appropriate term for it is "potential value".

That first one reminded me when Sony said 'the next generation doesn't start until we start'. And now there begging third party developers to stay with them.

It did start with them, it started going down hill.

I dont know anyone that would buy the xbox360 + hd-dvd addon just to play movies?

Theres a smaaaaaaal problem with the 8 choices of blu-ray players, nothing major. Just something to do with a profile.
Of course since blu-ray is nothing without ps3 its not really a issue now is it.

I think you should read the previous threads this has been discussed with YOU....

"IT's AN UNFINALIZED SPEC... "

- No, it isn't.

But you you have shown yourself to be an ignorant & certifiable moron.

$841 million loss in one quarter. Ouch! Man the life rafts because this babies going under!

Wow that might actually be ALMOST relevant if MS actually had anything to do with what goes on with HD-DVD. Did you happen to catch the PS3 fire sale while you were there? It is a real shame watching those losses pile up higher and higher every quarter.

The PS3 fangirls will spin this out there ars.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/830/830446p1.html

How can it be?

"It eats money!"

The pic alone made that link will worth it...

"With only one PS3 game (barely) cracking the NPD's top 10 software chart last month, convincing developers to build games for a complicated console that some even call "a waste of everyone's time" is no easy task. If Takahashi's info is accurate, it sounds like Sony's looking to preempt any developer exodus, hoping this season's delays aren't next year's cancellations."

That quote alone was worth the price of admission.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/25/0125disaster.html

Sound familar?

"I dont know anyone that would buy the xbox360 + hd-dvd addon just to play movies?"

Well that's ALL it does.. You can't play games with it, you can't play SACD...

Drop in the ocean compared to Xbox division losses.

$8 Billion to date (6.9Billion + $1.1 billion repair bill).

It's unclear if the repair bill is a reoccuring bill or not..

LMAO! Sony is losing almost a billion per quarter!!! You can bank on them passing the 360 is losses in the near future if they haven't already. The 360's losses will begin to go down now that they are turning a profit. Profitability for the PS3 looks to be a LONG ways away.

Ha ha ha! Very!

Except for one small detail:

Sony's initial losses on the PS2 were mainly attributed for high production failures, something everyone goes through.

Sony's losses on the PS3 are attributed to that, and the fact that hardly any developers want to program for it.

The hardware is a nightmare. If developers actually saw potential in the hardware, they would want to learn how to utilize it properly and efficiently. That hasn't seem to have happened yet, even after one year.

Commodore had a huge hit with the C=64 model, similar to Sony's PS2 eventually. That was mainly driven by 3rd-party developer support. The C=128 was leaps and bounds better than it's earlier cousins. However, it failed to garner enough enthusiasm with developers due to the overly complicated architecture (at the time, but not nearly to the degree of the PS3). It died a slow and painful death.

Heh, at least it kept backward compatibility in all models. :)

Sorry, but every company has their chance in the spotlight. Sony's has come and gone.

SACD the been dead format I'll pass.

What competition did the PS2 have back then?

Hence why i dont know anyone that would...
God your beyond stupid sometimes

For as long as high def sales (both formats combined) are less than 3% of the total retail movie disc market the grand blow-hard claims of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboys are plain ludicrous idiocy.

(and when they start trying to bring the even tinier EU European, Australian or even Japanese markets into this it just gets hilarious)

Note how they love to use ratios and percentages and steer as far away from actual numbers as possible (cos actual numbers illustrate just how absurd their big claims are).

Blu-ray has 10 - 20 times the number of playback devices (there we'll call them all that there's no need to cry your eyes out about stand-alone numbers & pretend anyone has rigged the numbers against you) and yet only a shrinking 60:40 lead (and that's with a year of supposedly 'blockbuster' movies this year).

Pathetic

(typo fixed for the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-troll-fanboy ludicrous pedant)

" even tinnier EU European"

Pathetic

What's pathetic is that a typographical error is the only thing you can respond to.

He has no response. He has avoided that before and will contiue to do so. He is just a mindless Sony troll that can not see that there is life beyond the PS3.

What's pathetic is the guy is such an ignoramus, not only can he not spell, he thinks Europe is insignificant.

Oooo. Trying to sound smart. Did you have to search in the thesaurus to find that word?

"he thinks Europe is insignificant"

- Go on then......tell us how many actual retail movie disc units both high def formats have shifted in EU Europe since this began.

At this stage, it is.... Whats your point?

Oh look we have another grammar king amongst us. Do you want a sticker that says good job? I can get you one if you want it.

Give it time, the exclusive partnerships with Paramount and Warner Brothers haven't fully taken hold yet. Universal may be an asset as well if they can stop releasing all this crap as of the last two years.

I find the HD-DVD/Blu-ray battle the lesser of two evils. On one side you've got HD-DVD who is backed by Toshiba, Microsoft, and Intel. On the other is Blu-ray, which is backed by Sony, Panasonic, and Apple. Despite Apple being in camp Blu-ray, and Microsoft being in camp HD-DVD, Sony and Panasonic are the greater of the two evils. That's two strikes for Blu-ray right there. Sony with their questionable business practices and Panasonic with their shoddy products and customer support.

I'll enjoy having a built in HD-DVD drive on the iMac I buy in 2012.

The Current State of Blu-ray:

http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

Older article, but still applies, since neither Sony nor the BDA have done anything to change things.

The meager 2:1 lead that Blu-ray has over HD DVD in software sales simply means the PS3 isn't being as effective as Sony hoped it would be in pushing their format over the top. That lead is diminishing almost daily.

Sorry, the lead is growing every day.

HD DVD is losing ground, and none of the cheap stunts Microsoft/Toshiba have done to try and make a difference have worked.

Dumping the price is desperation still does not work.

Blo-ray has to resort to b1g1 to get people to buy into the format. So I guess you could say that there is even a fire sale on hte disks along with the players cough PS3 cough.

Wow, I have no idea where you got that from.

cheap stunts?

Over the past 6 months, blu-ray has had all the press, good news..etc. Plus they've had more sales of titles and the latest buy one get one. Plus they have the PS3 which is not selling as well as expected, but still selling.

With all the positive's going for blu-ray, it still has pretty much only maintained its 2:1 lead all year. That's not a good sign for blu-ray.

All these rumors of Warner Bros going HD-DVD exclusive... is Bill Gates sending "gifts" like it did with Paramount already ?
If Warner Bros CEO is as dumb as Paramount one to go against customers will to force an inferior product on people that the HD-DVD really is...

Sony would never pay anyone off, give me a break.

Yes because CEO's of very large companys are much dumber than simple people posting on a forum

What exactly is inferior about it?

I know the disc size, bitrate..etc. But in reality, you can't tell the difference between the two formats.

The only valid argument I can see is the extra space making lossless audio more likely on blu-ray titles - but I've seen plenty of articles that state (from experts) that it is very difficult (sometimes impossible) to tell the difference between lossless, the original master and even Dolby Digital Plus.

Just look at transformers - it looks and sounds excellent.

Only difference I really see between the two formats is the movie selection.

And for the record, I own over 15 titles in each format, so I have sampled plenty.

Seriously, you are a farking moron, betamax was technically superior then vhs, guess which format won?

Lets look at Sony's track record shall we?

Over the past 15 years Sony has released repeated formats that have failed.

Mini Disc
UMD
Atrac
SACD
Sony Connect
Rootkit CDs
MicroMV
SDDS
Memory Stick

Just because Sony continues to push these in their products does not make a success. Its because of these prop formats I don't use any of their products.

SD cards are used just about in every device for storage, yet most sony devices require that memory stick bs.

Go against the customers? The people who are buying these are the gadget wh***s, hell more then half the world doesn't even have a hdtv, so why would they need a hidef dvd player. There is maybe a million or 2 of these hd media players out, calling that a customer base is a joke, ps3 does not count as its been shown in multiple studies that less then 20% use it for movies.

If you want to back an unfinished format and not be able to use new features in your older player by all means go ahead but calling that a win for the customer is plain stupid. Its going to come down to price for the average person and hd-dvd has that already.

ROFL @ gifts to believe that 150 mil could sway an entire studios decision to move to a format that could fail is absolutely ludicrous, they make that amount of money on ONE movie.

Nothing - they are both great ways to watch a movie, but people turn it into a Sony vs. Microsoft thing somehow, and then it turns into Xbox vs PS3 somehow, when Xbox doesn't even play HD-DVD. Then it gets turned into how Apple supports Blu-ray but Windows supports HD-DVD, but you can get Blu-ray and HD-DVD for PC's right now.

So basically, people here spend more time complaining about hardware they don't even own than using the hardware they do.

I own HD DVD, I avoid the combo disks like the plague. No way I'm paying more money for something I don't want.

So you don't like the ability to watch the movie on standard DVD players in other rooms or loan it to a friend? Good luck doing that with Blu Ray.

Ditto.

I don't understand why people brush this off so quick.

I bought 300 when it came out and never got around to watching it. While travelling to Florida, I decided I'd bring it and my wife and I watched it on the plane. Couldn't have done that if it wasn't a combo.

Honestly, I never gave it much thought before I purchased my Toshiba player back in May, but now I much prefer HD DVD/DVD combo discs.

The reason is simple numbers... I own one HD DVD player and one HD TV. I own another 5 regular DVD players and SD TVs... one in each bedroom and my den. In addition, I have 3 laptops that will play DVDs, a small portable DVD player, and a player built into our minivan. It will be many years before even a majority of these players are replaced with HD versions (and why do you need HD playback on a laptop, mini player, or vehicle system anyway?).

Generally, I don't really have a great need for combo discs from Netflix... We almost always watch those discs at home on our 50" HD plasma. But for discs we purchase, we will likely watch those films multiple times, sometimes on the HD tv but often on one of our many other players. And I'm sure there are plenty of other families in our situation.

I think the nail in the Blu-ray coffin would be HD DVD/DVD combo discs at a price either equal to or less than BDs. I can't help but think this is possible... even likely. Combo discs are not much more expensive to produce... and it seems silly to pay a premium for two versions of the same property. And I can certainly sacrifice that lovely disc artwork so that I play my discs in any player I like.

Amazing the Fanbois that are so frikkin passionate about a circular disk. Why do you all care so much? Is it because you are early adopters and have so much money vested in the format/players? Why are you so angry and give a duck about these multi-billion dollar companies that have produced crap for entertainment for the past decade? Seriously! Get a grip on what and who you are arguing about. You change nobody's mind with all your air.

Most intelligent post on Betanews in a long time.

Apart from the bad spelling and schoolboy grammar, I completely agree with the post. Most sensible post for ages.

You guys need to hear this, I think it Dave but he says his name is Jason.

http://web.utk.edu/~ascott9/SonyFanboy.mp3

There's no way that's Dave.

That looney talked about abandoning Sony, and didn't use the word FUD once. Dave would never do something like that...

/sarcasm

Funny none the less...

Oh jeez...

Listening to that reminded me of how much I paid for Strider on the Genesis back then! LOL

Oh well... at least that game was fun.

By the way, I agree... that guy sounded much more mature than the Dave Smurfs.

What a jackoff, games don't cost $100.

So it is you. This is how everyone pictures you actually.

Poor Dave Joey Deacon PetersonBG

Oh but Sony wish they did.

No Sony will just lock them to a machine so can't trade them.

"Where's the good news! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGG!"

That was pretty funny! Where'd you get that?

I don't have a PS3 and a quick search, and I mean QUICK, didn't answer this so I'll ask here.

Are all PS3 games released on Bluray discs or DVDs? And if so, are these Bluray discs sold figures including the games? And if so, what are the figures of just movies sold?

All PS3 games are BD and they arent included in movie sales. I'm not sure if the free movies given away with promotional deals like "Buy a PS3 and get 5 free BD movies" are considered part of the sales numbers.

I think both sides are counting those as well.

Australian Sales figures include both sides free giveaways too. I assume it applys elseware.
After all someone paid for them :P just not you.

I just bought a Blue-ray drive.
it's about 14000 yen or 130 dollars here in Japan.

Not bad.

What blu-ray drive is that? I Have never seen one even close to that price in any store in japan

Take the sticker off. It probably says 'HD DVD' underneath for that price.

The dead give-away is that it's a 'Blue-ray' drive. It may be compatible with 'Blu-ray' discs... with a firmware upgrade, of course. :)

Lol reminds me of something that came out awhile ago called Pop Station.... A quick glance at the box and it looked like a Psp :)

Gee and my $14.99 transformers DVD looks just as good on my bigscreen screen with an upscaler. hummm... So whats the benefit of HD or BR again? Oh yea more expensive, and prob will not work in older players. OK whatever. anytime both wants to die will be fine by me...

I agree, the difference between upscaled DVD and actual HD-DVD / BD movies is marginal but there is a difference, especially in small details.

I would advise anyone with an upscaling DVD player and a TV smaller than 55 inches to stay with S-DVD.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here Holly...

Don't get me wrong, an upscaled DVD looks infinitely better than it does in 480p; however, I still see a big difference between S-DVD, and its HD counterpart (I'm running both over HDMI thru a 42' 1080p screen).

On your crappy TV, that may be true.

If you have a decent HDTV, then you will see a massive difference between uspcaled DVD and Blu-ray.

Get a decent TV, and I don't mean a crappy projector, a plasma.

Joey, Dave, Steve, pitdingo, fernz, and whatever else you used today,

I already told you that my PIP is bigger than your entire 42" DLP. I can split my screen to show four sources at once, half of 103" is 51.5", hence it is bigger than your 42". My remote, IR extender and RS232 controller cost more than your entire entertainment center. Actually , I think I have more tied up in Lutron alone than your TV, PS3, receiver and dusty stand.

I knew you would take offense to that comment, which is precisely why I posted it. I figured you would get even madder if I suggested people stick with S-DVD instead of dumping money into two infant formats.

I can control you like a puppet with a few keystrokes.

By the way, your TV isn't even 1080p. And if you think plasma is the best picture available, no need to attend a few classes at the Imaging Science Foundation.

You would soon find out the inferior black levels and oversaturrated colors make plasmas the worst possible option for film reproduction. But you don't want to hear that, you want everyone to think your system is the best.

You can't expect quality by shopping at Best Buy. There is only one plasma available that is ISF certified with calibration built in and it's made by Runco. They cost more than your car. The 103" cost more than your house.

Thier top end projector costs as much as a Bentley Silver Spur and is the size of a coffin.

Yea, I have definitaly been able to tell the difference.

Says the guy with a 40" 720p DLP.

This article should have all the Blu-Ray fanboys excited and shooting huge sticky loads into the air while high five-ing each other. I guess we won't see them trolling with the usual "oh boo-hoo, BetaRUMORS is pro-Microsoft and pro-HD-DVD and never report any good news about Sony or Blu-Ray."

Ewww...

Everytime betanews produces an article about their format, the blu-ray supporters forget the very next day and go back to the normal beta bashing

I second that....

Coulda' done without the visual effect this morning...

You guys see what I mean? He just pulls stuff out of his a** to enrage everyone here who already knows better.

You will never change the mind of someone who is brainwashed and so caught up in this silly Blu Ray format.

All of this coming from a person who has no college degree and an average job that a monkey could do.

Despite already having a 2:1 lead in the US, 4:1 in Europe, and 9:1 in Japan, Blu-ray is about to push even further ahead.

The cost of media manufacturing is about to drop significantly.

http://news.ecoustics.co...sages/10381/397668.html

Micheal Bray also sees the futres as being Blu:

http://www.usatoday.com/...-transformers-bay_N.htm

"It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD (home video)," he says. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."

All this because of the PS3 and despite the fact that blu-ray has barely any tangible benefit over HD DVD.

Yup. All because of the PS3. But does it matter?
Oh crap... another price drop.

Now @ $399!

"Micheal Bray also sees the futres as being Blu:"

Funny. You... oops, I mean 'Joey Deacon', said the same thing in another thread about Transformers earlier. You know, you sure do a piss-poor job of covering your tracks:

"Seems Micheal Bray has already lost faith in Paramounts backhander based decision to back the ailing HD DVD..."

You misspelled Michael Bay's name the exact same way.

What a loser... spread your propaganda elsewhere, Smurf.

"another price drop"

that wouldn't be because they're desperate or anything :)

Looking at their losses for this quarter...Yah they are getting HIGHLY desperate if they are willing to take more losses than they already are.

This should be a surprise to no one. Even with a fire sale of HD-DVD players, Blu-Ray is still crushing them.

Blu-Ray is just the better format. Just read they have 200GB discs coming which are compatible with all current players. HD-DVD can do what, 100GB, and that is not even backwards compatible.

51GB, and then only on the very latest players. All older players are resigned to playing current content.

Buying HD DVD is buying soon to be obsolete kit.

I see you're grabbing yet more "facts" from outofyourass.com.

Explain to me again what on god's green earth a DVD needs 200GB for? I thought we have gone through this argument before. There are FEW disks today that need even 50GB. 200GB is just a complete waste of space.

"51GB, and then only on the very latest players. All older players are resigned to playing current content."

- Prove it.

"Buying HD DVD is buying soon to be obsolete kit."

- Coming from a Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy/girl that is hilarious.

How is the profile 1.1 and profile 2.0 updates coming......any sign of them.....or the software using the specs?

Fool.

100GB or 200GB don't matter when talking movies.

And blu-ray has been having a BOGO sale - think that might help skew the numbers? All I see is more and more positive blu-ray news, sales on movies and it still only maintains 2:1 ration in the US.

If blu-ray is good enough, then so is HD DVD. And if HD DVD isn't good enough, then neither is blu-ray.

Fine thanks, The Ps3 update will be here soon, and we can all watch you eat your words in public...

How's your obsolete HD DUD player?

Fool.

Again, narrow views without any concept of the bigger picture.
So, those who purchased stand alone players are screwed? How many times have I said this...

He's a little boy with small aspirations. BD is his entire life, unfortunately.

I know a lot of people who's lives suck so bad, they can only concentrate on something so stupid to keep them busy until they die. You can plainly see by the time stamps which name(s) he is multiposting under.

His life truly has to suck.

I love how pitdingo still claims he's not Dave. I call BS on anything he says including his fake Wii.

You NEED 200gb simply because it can be done

*Waves hand across*

What the hell do you care you have none of the new formats. You are a nothing but a troll.

Isn't that a fire sale giving stuff away like that?

So they can pirate more stuff.

Ah yes...the PS3 update. You know the one...they announced it, and people have speculated that it would give SOME of the interactive features that profile 1.1 is supposed to contain (if it ever sees the light of day). Even if people do have to eat a little crow about 1.1 and the PS3 update, how many people who own stand alone BR players are going to be pissed when they find out that their $500+ unit is made obsolete?

My 'obsolete' HD DVD player (fixed that typo for ya...oh wait, that was a failed attempt at being clever...my bad), just got done playing Silent Hill and Fantastic Four. IMO, it's worth the $3-5 price difference to import a Blu-Ray 'exclusive' on HD DVD, than it is to buy it on BR.

Not just the time stamps (though that is rather blatant). First it was Steve / Benjamin proving it, now Florida Sunshine / Joey. Look at the typo further up. It's pathetic.

Writing styles, punctuation, and grammar are a dead give-away, for those that pay attention.

It's for the upcoming releases that tout uncompressed video, too! :)

yup he's just earning those paychecks

I see everything, he knows it. He's also pissed becuase i know what he has in his budget "system" with no surrounds or center channel.

Since I know what I have and what he has it pisses him off, which is why he calls my TV "crappy". He has no clue who I am and what I do.

Just because he was dumb enough to post a dirty embarrasing picture of his equipment and bird's nest of cables, then cleaned it up and re-posted it with clean glass shelves and cables tucked underneath, he thinks he was somehow showing off and making everyone jealous.

What did that sign say in all caps that you Scotched taped to your PS3? "HOLLYWOOD__ IS A SAD LOSER?"

Go start another petition Dave, we need a good laugh. You wanted 3000 signatures, right? You got 130? Thats 4.33463% filled. I think a lot of them were you using made up names.

Man, I love that. I'm going to have to start using that one. outofyourass.com....brilliant.

Yea, I agree, that was brilliant!

Funny how we are not talking only about the PS3.

The update will be here soon, funny that has been the comment about games and I'm still waiting.

It should be sandinhisvagina.com.

i feel like comment spamming a stupid ill informed or stubbornly flag waving opinion to cherish whichever side my too much money not enough sense brain has pushed me towards in for an undecided victor with a feature limited, overpriced, under engineered, buzzword filled, magical device i'll rarely ever use!

Go home team go!

seriously though. im done reading the slightly amusing 4 page essays you tards write. it was amusing for like a day or two and now im over it. please stop with the shpeal. no one cares.

A lot of paramount films are in those Jan-Aug Blu-Ray sales. Once Paramount puts on the big guns on HD-DVD it will change big time.

I'm interested to see figures for this, do you have any?

You have to be an a** to not think that their disks added to sales. But we already know the answer to that.

Didnt say their disks did not add to the sales.
I want to see figures of just how many did.

That may be hard to find I have never seen an announcement like that other than sales of 300.

what is bluray and hddvd?

Well, it's all still a drop in the bucket/2.

When someone decides on a format, give me a call. In the meantime, I'll be downloading HD rentals because buying is just such a bad idea now.

To all the companies making HD stuff, you're #1.

.,|,,

I rent HD-DVD movies through netflix. I like owning the movies that are meant for HD though. Like transformers, king-kong, the Matrix. You'll never catch me buying a chick flick on HD.

Hey Davey this makes it a 1.9 :1 ratio between blu-ray and HD-DVD. I'm curious, where did you dig up your 4:1 ratio that you stated yesterday? Or was that just wishful 'thinking' again?

I think he said 4:1 was for Europe, 9:1 Japan.

These numbers appear to be US only. Everywhere else, the situation for HD DVD is much more dire.

wreckedchevy, I liked your comment. The fact is we all know BD is outselling HD-DVD and I really don't care.

When (and if) Blu Ray ever finishes it's spec and delivers features on par with HD-DVD, I will be buying both formats. I have POTC trilogy and Cars reserved.

I don't take this news personally, I just don;t like when someone who is a format fanboy comes in here and tried to spread misinformation about a format that was crippled at launch and claims it to be better than HD-DVD is now.

Like I said, I own HD-DVD and BD and will buy movies for both formats. I just think BD is completely overrated.

Yesterday, I was at Wal-Mart and saw they had Wii's, so I snatched one up before they dissapear to eBay scalpers. Now I own all three consoles as well. I will continue to post what i like and don't like about each one.

I have a feeling the Wii will get used for the first few weeks after Christmas, then the novelty will wear off.

Just like having a PS3 was all the rage last year, until I realized how few great games, or games in general were available. You couldn't get a game or a single accessory anywhere simply because people were scalping them.

Davey boy somehow thinks he is converting people and convincing them to buy anything but a 360 or an HD-DVD player because he thinks if BD goes tits up, he will be out $599 on his PS3.

My advice is don't buy anything until combo players are $299. Then you don't have to cheerlead and can buy any movie available on both formats.

If you like flushing your money down the drain or lighting $100 bills on fire like I do, become an early adopter and learn that first gen models are not the way to go.

If Sony releases the 80GB PS3 in white with BD spec 1.1/2.0, I will gladly give mine away and purchase one. Or if someone releases a combo with 1.1 upgradeable to 2.0 and does HD-DVD's HDi features.

Right now, I have a crippled BD player and a console that I dont want any games for.

I truly believe Dave / Steve / Joey etc... takes this personally because he has absolutely nothing better to do and this has consumed his life.

Petitions, planning BD movie mass purchase days on blu-ray.com, trying to infiltrate forums and spread the BD propaganda, where does it end?

Did you happen to catch the glitch at Circuit City last week? B1G1 on both HD formats the only restriction was no titles over $29.99. Opps!

Hollywood__, that was by far one of the most rational and salient posts I've ever read on feedback to a BetaNews story (or pretty much any other fanboy-feed type of tech story). You are to be commended!

i agree i'm always on your side in this department dave needs to start treating bd as a format not a religion... you might be suprised with you wii i've had mine since january and still enjoy it more than any console i've owned

I hope so, the games look pretty fun but very N64. The good news is kids don't care about graphics all that much. I like the fact that is comes with a 5 in 1 game and the WiiPlay has a 9 in 1.

Now I see why all the eBay auctions say "comes with 14 games" when it's really only two discs.

Well put, and well thought out. You and I are in agreement that people need to use what they want and not worry about anyone else. It is a technology format, not a religion.

Not to mention that without competition between the two, it would be even more stupid.

But hey, if no one took it personally and the Blu-Ray/Sony shills didn't exist, what would be the fun in reading the comments?

my 3yr old loves cow racing on on wii play it was a good buy only game so far we haven't enjoyed was monkey ball... i think funnies has been raving rabbids

Funny how everyone gets so worked up about 2:1 sales when you look at the numbers in reality they are a joke. Take Transformers on DVD as an example that movie sold more disks in one week than both formats combined have been able to muster in a year. Ok the sales are pitiful. At this rate both formats could be given up on with numbers like this.

You also make a valid claim of the what if could change everything. Way to early in the game to get boxers in bunch over.

Funny how some call one inferior this and that yet DVD is killing both hands down.

Yeah but some people need some sort of self justification regardless how stupid it is :(

Betanews is BIASED! They hate Sony and never post any good news about Blu...oh wait.*

Well maybe the Orange Juice idiot will shut up now. (yeah right, fat chance).

Umm, I'm pretty sure the article just reports facts.

"While HD DVD may be trumpeting the success of Transformers, the format is still struggling to take the lead back from rival Blu-ray."

Yea, thats a Blu-Ray hater statement. So are the statements about how HD DVD thought it would gain some ground with dual format discs, and with new HDi features.

Do you actually know how to read? Do you just see Blu-Ray or Sony and automatically consider it biased?

I was being sarcastic; just making fun of Minute Maid because he jumps in every Microsoft or HD DVD related article and starts whining that Betanews is biased against Sony and never posts any good news about them.

Sheesh.

Oh, sorry man. I can't tell anymore with people registering new names under existing names (e.g. Hollywood__) and such. It's hard to keep track of who is on what side (as if picking a side is mandatory anyway).

The comments are at least 50% of the reason I visit BetaNews. I love me some fights baby!

That's true, I don't even try to keep track of all the Hollywoods anymore. Gives me a headache. :)

that's odd... around here all the hd-dvd fans seem to be so confident that their format of choice will destroy blu-ray and take over the lead very soon but looks like will take close to 7 months at this rate to catch up to current blu-ray sales. maybe their attach rate isn't the deciding factor all fanboys try to convince themselves it is before running out to buy 9 s***ty movies... and transformers.
thats unfortunate the facts exist..

7 months?, thanks for the confidence. Here I was thinking at least one year, Thank you.

I lost track, is dlab21 one of Dave's ac****s? I vaguely remember him using that one a few months back.

People running out to buy 9 s***ty titles? where have I seen that before many times? oh yeah....

maybe if i said 10 or 8 my post would have been more original? i don't give a s*** what dave's 12 accounts favorite number for using in posting is.

you're dave research has gotten sloppy. maybe a couple more hours of looking for his username on blu-ray fan sites is needed.
till then don't group me in with people who start petitions.

dlab21,

you at least need to own an HD-DVD or PS3 / BD before you can make stupid comments. Seeing as you post just like Dave, I'd say you are him.

That means you are "Steve" who owns a PS3, this explains the bitterness and the ever so familiar HD-DVD hatred.

We have something in common however, we both know I'm right.

That's what the buy a thons are and the I think the studios are catching on. They go out and buy any title just to boost sales for the love of their life. There are many titles on both formats that are good enough to own on DVD but that is about the end of it. Then again there are titles not even worth owning on DVD yet the fanboys gooble them up and say they are awesome. Doom and The Day After Tomorrow terrible movies but people buy them up for some reason. There are more but just an example.

i have a ps3 and a xbox 360. i have a tv worth watching hd on compared to dave.
how are my comments stupid..? because they don't coincide with your love for the second place hd format? well you continue to buy your hd-dvds convincing yourself they are better and will soon take over the lead.. and i simply wont.

From the transformers article:

The HD DVD Promotions Group says the success of Transformers has shown the importance of standalone players, the area where the format is beating Blu-ray due to lower prices. Still, HD DVD sales paled in comparison to over 4.5 million copies of the movie sold on regular DVD on its first day of release. 8.3 million units on DVD have sold since October 16, over 43 times the number sold on HD DVD.

Yup, the whole HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray argument cannot be argued based on sales--there's still way too large of a gap between DVD and the newer formats. Tomorrow, we could discover that the blu-ray discs are faulty and their materials will only last for just over one year before they stop working...and suddenly the blu-ray vs. hd-dvd numbers mean squat. Same could go for HD-DVD. Then again they could revamp a newer revision that could destroy the other format too.

Quite frankly, aren't more VCRs being sold daily than either of the two new formats? So does that mean VCR's will replace DVD players? Again, sales are too small to argue the next format winner right now.

Didn't DVD have a slow start also over VHS? DVD will definitely be the leader for atleast a couple of years, but that doesn't mean that it wont be outdated eventually by one of these formats (BD, HD-DVD)

Most people just don't realize how long it took DVD to finally surpass 51% of sales over VHS.

VHS reigned supreme for the better part of a quarter century. DVD was publicly released about 1995 and did not pass the 51% mark until mid 2003. Major studio support for pre recorded VHS tapes did not end until 2006.

The DVD format has been the supreme format for just shy of 4 years. FOUR years. It's nothing.

We will not be seeing HD-DVD or BluRay even come close to denting DVD sales until the end of the decade and probably will not surpass the 51% mark until at least 2015. Major studio support of DVD will likely still be high up to 2020 and beyond.

Spot on General. Although with analog TV going away in 2009 and people seeing the difference between 480 and 720/1080 lines of resolution, the HD movie formats may grow quicker than DVD did.

I'm at the point now where I won't watch anything unmless it's in HD on DirecTV. They just added a bunch of channels too.

Standard DVD upscaled still looks way better than any standard definition broadcast. This is another reason why people may stay with S-DVD instead of adopting HD formats.

That may have been a mistake with high end DVD and new HD movie players. "Hey, look how much better we can make your regular DVD's look with this player".

Samsung has a player for $79 dollars that upscales to 1080i (HDMI only & component if the copy protection is removed or it's a copied DVD). You can see the difference, especially on a 50" or bigger.

I think it will be a lot longer than that. The jump from VHS to DVD was HUGE. DVD to HD, not so much.

Still, HD DVD sales paled in comparison to over 4.5 million copies of the movie sold on regular DVD on its first day of release. 8.3 million units on DVD have sold since October 16, over 43 times the number sold on HD DVD.

Put a little perspective on the whole HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray "war", doesn't it?

They key is that DVD didn't have a competing alternative to VHS, and it was a clear and vast improvement over the existing tech.

HD/Blu are far less of an improvement in the eyes of the general public and it requires not just one upgrade (replacing the player) but the additional upgrade (in most cases) of replacing the Television.

Both of these, the lower cost to upgrade and the lack of a separate (as good) competing format, made the VHS DVD transition much smoother and, by extension, less of a public spectacle.

Sure, DVD will eventually be outdated, but saying it's going to be HD or Blu totally ignores the other techs currently being developed. The slow adoption of both makes it even more probable that a better tech may come along before either hits critical mass.

Pfft don’t try and bring common sense to the format supporters here!
Hd-dvd is dead and blu-ray won. Doesn’t matter how little either have sold in comparison, the blu-ray group told us blu-ray has won so its won..won won won won

The players offered by Oppo still are some of the absolute best upscaling DVD players for the money. Endless rave reviews on all of their models, not to mention some of the highest HQV benchmark scores ever.

Firmware upgradeable for extra features, and support for just about any format just shy of the two true HD disc formats.

Okay....okay.

*backs away slowly*

Heh :)

this should get dave and hollywood really fired up