Blu_Ray just got one title under the sales rank of 1000! What a milestone!

DaveBG and Mark must be ecstatic!

DaveBG posted hid Google Fights link to compare HD-DVD and Blu-Ray but he left out the dash in HD-DVD to tip the results his way.

If you type the formats in properly the actual results are clear.

http://www.googlefight.c...D-DVD&word2=Blu-Ray

What a loser, he has to rig a site to make Blu-Ray look better than HD-DVD.

Once again DaveBG, you are screwed

www.thedvdwars.com

The numbers don't lie

How lame!
Its because every web page on the internet contains the word DVD lamer!

www.thedvdwars.com is a HD DVD fanboy site. I can make a better one...
The diference between titles on Amazon is 15-16 but they say it is 40-50.
The available hardwere category -> !was removed! so no one can see that there is only a crap glitching Toshiba to play HD DVD on and SONY, Panasonic, Smasung and Philips (up to date) for Blu-Ray!!!
Also the 8 Hollywood studios hold the situation and 7 of them chose Blu-Ray.

Boycot Universal! They will HAVE to go Blu-ray at the end :-)

No comments on your HD-DVD Google fights sabotage?

If you type in just DVD vs BluRay, the results for DVD are over 2 billion, once again you are wrong.

Any explanation for the 45 million HD-DVD results vs 21 million Blu-Ray? Or did you make an honest mistake?

I already told you, I'll buy both players, I really don't care but I really hate Sony and everything they stand for. You refuse to support both formats for some reason, I just like to prove you wrong about almost everything you post about Blu-Ray.

You try to find things to sway popular opinion, but the facts and sales figures don't lie.

www.thedvdwars.com

Wow,

Blu-Ray actually jumped up a bit in it's average sales ranking from 5400 to 4700.

I'm shocked, unless DaveBG bought every movie to boost the numbers.

www.thedvdwars.com

Why woould anyone buy these players now anyway? half the movies are on HD-DVD and the other half on blu ray. and ther isn't one movie that was released on both formats. not worth the 800-1000 bucks

Actually there are movies on both formats. It was interesting to compare their sales since they were the exact same movie. Corpse Bride for example. The HD-DVD version was in the top 50 sales ranking on Amazon at one point while the Blu-Ray version was ranked in the 10,000's.

Sony are at it once again. And will fail once again. Just like with the mini disc, this will fall flat on its arse.

The mini disc failed because of this reason: the step up from tap to cd was huge. Digital sound, longer lasting media etc etc. Cd to mini cd was not much of a change at all so it died.

DVD to hd/blueray isnt a big step. Yes it is high def, but the average consumer will not change from the dvd format. who wants to buy the same movies and tv shows again when theres hardly a change?

Japan has had hd tv for 10 years. Usa has had it for 5 years and its only just slightly catching on. Until the televisions come down in price, hd will not take on.

Also don't forget the HVD format (holographic versitile disc) which most likly will be the true sucsessor for dvd. This format will be out around the time hd tv fully takes on, which wont be for a LONG time.

I'll stick to my dvds :)

You do realise that Blu-Ray is not just backed by Sony.. The following are all on the Blu-Ray board of directors..

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsus***a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

In addition, the full list of supporting companies exceeds 170 companies.

Makes HD-DVD 3 primary companies (Toshiba, Universal and Microsoft) look a bit silly...

"Warner Bros. Entertainment"

I see alot of Warner Titles on HD-DVD...

Because Warner is one of the ... "many" neutral studios.

7 out of 8 support Blu-Ray.

Again, you show companies, and even include non-exclusive or irrelevant companies. How about some titles, or appropriately priced equipment?

(What movies will Dell and Sun be releasing?)

Blu-Ray devices keep getting delays in release dates because they are so buggy. Sony has delayed theirs again.

http://www.electronichou...mns/products/16151.html

Sony has been on an unlucky streak lately. They can't get their products out the door, got caught installing rootkits on peoples computers, and making gamers mad by shutting down one of the big gaming hardware/software sites.

http://www.betanews.com/..._Shuts_Doors/1161706812

They are going to have mad people boycotting their products.

I forgot all about the problem that Sony is having with their batteries. If the PS3 does not make it, then that may be the straw that broke the camels back....

Your obviously an idiot, so I will explain things for the simpletons.

The list above are the companies on the Blu-Ray board of directors, there is nothing stopping them supporting HD-DVD in addition, infact some of them do.

However, todate, there is only 1 manufacturer supporting HD-DVD (Toshiba), whilst there are plenty of big name hardware manufactuers planning Blu-Ray launches in the next quater,

Sony
Panasonic
PHilips
Mitsibushi
Samsung
Pioneer
LG
Hitachi

You get the picture...

"Your obviously an idiot, so I will explain things for the simpletons."

Us simpletons can buy 2 HD-DVD players for the price of one Blu-Ray player :p

"Makes HD-DVD 3 primary companies (Toshiba, Universal and Microsoft) look a bit silly..."

I guess HP, Intel, Toshiba, Universal, Paramount, New Line, and HBO are all insignificant.

Very expensive bricks when you can't get the movies you want on them...

Matsus***a

I find it kind of funny that a manufacturer's name had to be censored. =p

Your obviously an idiot, so I will explain things for the simpletons.

...this right after I defended you for not attacking people individually. I'm never doing that again.

*rolls eyes*

BTW, I think you meant You're.

Your obviously an idiot...

...I think you meant You're.

lmao, that's priceless!

Very expensive bricks when you can't get the movies you want on them...

Exactly what everyone, on both sides, is thinking ;)

Here is some more fine read for HD DVD fanboys! :D

http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluraywins102306.htm

And dont forget:
http://www.foxbd.com/
http://www.disneybluray.com/

For all you BluRay fanboys:

HD-DVD wins:

http://www.googlefight.c...HD-DVD&word2=BluRay

And don't forget:
Bite me.

/jackass

This sight seemed un-bias at first, and then I read on.

1. Studio Support
"four of them are backing it exclusively" (blu-ray)
--Thats nice, doesn't HD-DVD have 3 backing them exclusively?

2. Play Station 3
" But PS3 comes with Blu-ray regardless of whether you want it or not"
--I love this line.

3. Price
"you can bet that Blu-ray players will drop in price, perhaps even equaling HD-DVD's retail cost."
--Thats funny, so HD-DVD wont drop in price?

4. Politics
A load of bull dependent on the first 3.

5. Peace Treaty
Refer to #4

"--Thats funny, so HD-DVD wont drop in price?"

HD DVD players are already way underpriced. How much does Toshiba loses per player? $400?

Hmmm. I think that Blu-Ray wins:

http://www.googlefight.c...HDDVD&word2=Blu-Ray

/jackass

Thats funny, so HD-DVD wont drop in price?

We were both wrong. Google wins:

http://www.googlefight.c...p;word2=Everything+else

/bored

How much does Toshiba loses per player?
Less than Sony will on PS3s?

I dont know, but actually i dont care also :D

Just to add...

1. It doesn't really matter how many support which formats. Universal is huge and actually has most of the movies I enjoy anyway. Looking at both lineups right now, I certainly prefer HD-DVD selection. (Plus hybrids are nice since I won't have an HD-DVD player in every room or place I visit)

2. And 360 will have the HD-DVD add on, so this likely will even things out. In fact, high sales of the 360 add on will probably have a bigger effect to movie companies than PS3 sales.

3. Of course HD-DVD will drop in price. Heck - Its only $200 for 5 million 360 owners.

4. Bluray supporters will likely do the same. So this isn't a deciding factor at all. If anything, HD-DVD sales will help move supporters to HD-DVD more so than vice versa.

5. I agree, but this would only occur at the very end stages and gives no advantage to bluray as this would happen when bluray has already won. I'm not really sure why this was mentioned at all?

Do you want to name the 3 studio exclusives for HD-DVD, I only recall there being 1.. (Universal).

Or Even:

http://www.googlefight.c...1=PS3&word2=XBOX360

It was a question Marky.

Ok... I know the people who posted these links know this, but I don't want people to be mislead in case they don't realize this:

INTENTIONAL misspelling of the losing side is the reason for the biased results. =p

Well, since we're getting off topic...
http://www.googlefight.c...ony&word2=microsoft

Umm,

The figures on Amazon say otherwise.

www.thedvdwars.com

Fanboy

Hey DaveBG,

Have you checked out www.thedvdwars.com

Those numbers don't lie

Nice excuse..

Either way you play it..

http://www.googlefight.c...1=PS3&word2=XBOX360

http://www.googlefight.c...=PS3&word2=XBOX+360

boo-ya Marky

http://www.googlefight.c...=PS3&word2=XBOX-360

Oh and this one too
http://www.googlefight.c...on+3&word2=XBOX-360

Hey Mark,

You should put the space in XBOX 360 when you try the same crap that DaveBG did. It's easy to tip the results your way when you do it the wrong way.

Hey Moron,

You just proved yourself wrong.

What's wrong with regular DVDs? I've no idea why a consumer would want this. As Broo notes below, it will be obsolete sooner than it is adopted by even 5% of consumers, so if you're wise, stay away and spend your money on booze, women, and chocolate.

Maybe because they actually want to be able to actually watch HD content on that HD TV set they have? I don't know about you but it seems silly to have a nice TV but not have the content to take advantage of it.

If you have a TV larger than about 40" you can easily see the difference between HD content and standard definition. If you can't tell the difference you might want to get your eyes checked.

I agree that regular DVDs are fine - especially for the type of material that is being used for entertainment puposes.

What seems really silly is that someone would by an HD TV without anything to play on it to begin with!

But if it is important to you to be able to see Oprah's or Jerry Springer's nose hairs, then by all means, spend your money in that manner. But you are still fundamentally limited by the programming material. And except for some of the nature, ocean or space material, there are few things that really benefit from the detail. After all, just how much detail do you need to see in a computer generated FX or animation...

And the HD formats are not being supported by many of the broadcasters - none of whom have announced any forseeable plans to go above 720p or 1080i...Despite Warner now going to experiment with 4K (& 2K) formats - which dwarfs all of the existing formats by several orders of magnitude.

IMO, its fine to want to use the higher resolutions as they become commodities, but it is a bit silly to be an early adopter paying exhorbitant prices for something for which the program material is absent.

"If you have a TV larger than about 40" you can easily see the difference between HD content and standard definition."

Actually even with smaller 32Inch HD TV'S the difference between standard and HD is VERY noticable. Standard Definition just looks like garbage after you get used to a HD signal.

so F...ing what? there are no good movies released! look at the article, did you actually liked one of these??? who cares HD/BD has beautifull picture if the movie itself is brainless/cheap crap!

Currectly I have an upscaled DVD player. I can notice a slith difference between it and blu-ray, but not enough to justify spending $1000 for it. Or $500 on the HD-DVD side.

After all, just how much detail do you need to see in a computer generated FX or animation...
In some ways, I think less is better, then you notice less difference between live and post-production elements. Many movies have bad CG as it is. More detail will just exacerbate the obviousness of bad CG, and make good CG more obvious.

True... most movies released these days are crappy... .but I was referring to the PICTURE quality not the quality of the movies on offer. Also the quality of Digital Free to Air broadcast as apposed to the standard broadcast signal.

Do yourself a favor. Get a Toshiba HD DVD(1080i and half the price of BR) and connect it to your 1080 HDTV. Rent some HD DVD's from Netflix and be prepared to see the best HD ever! And Dolby True HD sound!(Uncompressed)The picture quality is so much better than that compressed HDTV crap. And the upscalling is the best there is. Your standard DVD's will look HD.

It is not about who has the superior format or the higher density (same 1080p output format, BlueRay has more storage capacity); with the speed at which technology is now evolving, both formats will be obsolete within 5 years: 1080p will be old school, and 50GB will be a thumb drive…

I think it is all about the recording studios finding a new format that they can better control and make more money with. Since DeCSS they swear that they are losing billions on pirated copies- and consumers should pay for the licensing to watch their media in different formats on the TV, Tivo, iPod, PSP, etc.

I personally cannot tell the difference between a standard DVD upscaled to 720p and a BlueRay at 1080p- but I am sure there a few (wealthy) enthusiasts that will need to buy the newest to impress their “friends”.

I will be happy with my DVD collection as it is as I have already spent 10 years slowly converting my favorite VHS movies over to DVD; there is no way I will spend another decade doing this again for something that I will only appreciate less as I get older…

Personally I think both formats will fail, just as SA-CD & DVD-Audio has.

no- DVD audio is so great and so widely accepted!

haven't you seen the new DVD Dual Disc formats- I just must hear Bjork in DTS/DD5.1!

(please note the extreme sarcasm...)

"SA-CD"

Oh yeah, another failed Sony format.

You are aware that DVD-Audio discs only use either uncompressed 24-bit 96KHz PCM audio or MLP (lossless compressed) PCM audio for the DVD-Audio portion of the disc aren't you? DVD-Audio and especially the superior SACD format provide the same massive improvement for audio that HDTV does for video.

I could care less. BOTH formats have already lost me to my HDTiVo and the various premium HD channels playing movies.

With On-Demand in HD as well, I really see little point anymore in "collecting" any discs. This is the same thing that is happening to the music biz. More and more people are downloading music. Legally even! It's becoming a real market.

Taking up shelf space at home and paying $30+ for movies is just losing it's luster. Especially when they started raping us with Special Edition after Special Editions! FEH!

Now I just click "on-Demand" or I search through the channels and record what I want. I have 30 movies already saved on my HD TiVo that I know I'd watch over and over. They are even in 5.1 DD, so they sound great too. But I don't really need to save them. Everyday day we get closer to all films being available with the click of a button.

Discs are dead. Let HD-DVD and Blu-Ray go the way of DVD-Audio and SACD.

I think that's exactly what will happen. They'll just be niche products and never really become mainstream as long as DVDs are being produced.

I think there will still a market for physical distribution for at least another 5-10 years. How long would it take to get a 2 hour HD quality film over a typical Internet connection? If they are using cheap DSL it might take most of a day. If I wanted to rent 5-6 film at HD quality I could probably get Netflix to ship them to my house faster than I could download them. Or I could just go to the local Blockbuster and get instand gratification. Digital Distribution is definitely the future but unless the telcos dramatically pick up the pace on making 20+ Megabit/s Internet connection available to the masses at a reaonable price you are going to be waiting a long time before the majority of people get their films from downloads.

Only real winner will be blu-ray, but on the PC side. Not with movies.

Blu-Ray is going to freaking bomb.

Who in the world would pay $35 for a movie in a goofy format?

I can't believe that people do not see this huge failure coming.

I would... although I haven't decided whether to go with blue-ray or HD-DVD, if it's $35, then it's a LOT cheaper than the DVDs here in Japan lol. ... a normal DVD here is like friggin' $80...

Well, I can get DVD's here for $12 - $23.

You're obviously getting ripped off them, looking at amazon.co.jp, prices seem reasonably comparable to other countries.

$80? I little exaggerated I think...
Davinchi code for example is a mere 3,054YEN at HMV. or $25US at todays exchange rate..... where are you shopping? Ginza?

No one. Even if those 3-4000 HD DVD fanboys buy the crap Toshiba player they wont save the format.

The world against toshiba`s format. Cool! :D

HD-DVD movies have a RRP of $39 on Amazon, there are already plenty of Blu-Ray movie releases at $19.99, the same price as the HD-DVD version.

So talking about higher prices, is just scared fanboy talk..

I get mine for free. I download them.

Toshiba has fanboys?

Hey DaveBG,

Did you notice there are way more searches for HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray on Google? There may be more results because of Sony's desperation.

You can see the facts at www.thedvdwars.com

Sign me up!!!

wow, what a choice !! i'm not even sure which one is the worst. Why on earth would you pay your money for this crap?! one word - Pathetic.

Why on earth would you spend money on an antiquated DVD player when you can put that money towards an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player to get vastly superior audio and video?

cause there will be no good movies released in any HD format.

You probably said that before DVD's replaced VHS video tapes.

Maybe because you already have an extensive library of DVDs, and know that a DVD player will play them? Also, you might be buying an upsampling DVD player that will make the DVDs you already have look almost as good as those hidef releases...since all the studios have really done is pre-upsample them for you. And in 5 years, when the HD battle pans out, you can buy a next-gen player that will also upsample your by then extensive DVD collection (that you bought with all the money you saved waiting for the next-gen formats to drop in price and/or didn't waste on the losing format).

Actually, he probably said what I did. Which was, "Damn, I wish I could afford those. My tapes look really crappy, and I really shouldn't have put the almost $400 in Evangelion cassettes next to the patio door, in summer, in Vegas."

Upsampling your standard definition DVD's is not the same as recording a movie in high definition to begin with. Most movies that were released within the past 1-2 years have been recorded in 1080p high definition to begin with. Also, Toshiba's HD-DVD players are the best upsampling DVD players on the market currently, beating even the Denon DVD-5910CI standard definition DVD player (even though the resulting video pales in comparison to an HD-DVD version of the movie).

I realize they are not the same thing; but upsampling DVD players are not all that expensive right now, and whenever Bluray and/or HD-DVD fails, my upsampler will still play my regular dvds...and while most movies released recently have been recorded in hidef, I can't think of all that many recent movies I would actually want to own.

Let me try to some up the coming discussion:

Fanboys, bolt-on, more space, PS3, Sony sucks, rootkits, HDMI!

Good flamebait.

Just a preemptive strike. I guess it went over your head or you would have noticed I said both good and bad things about Sony, actually quoted the typical comments here. Mark Gillespie loves Sony and hates Microsoft so he calls the HD-DVD addon a "bolt-on". He also brings up the PS3's support of HDMI. Others bash Sony by bringing up rootkits or betamax. It's always the same thing over and over and over. Betanews posts an article about Sony or Microsoft and the fanboys go at it, slinging the same tired comments that have been posted here 10,000 times already. I'm just saving them the trouble.

But your not a Fanboy ofcourse, despite your HD-DVD ramblings on Blu-Ray news items!!!

Nope, I think they are both overhyped crap. I am quite happy with normal DVD and I will be for years to come. That said it doesn't take a genius to look at the facts and see which is losing. Talk about pot and kettle though, like you never rear your obnoxious fanboy head on every HD-DVD or xbox 360 post made here. Hypocrite.

dibs on the first blueray rootkit for OS X...

It was a joke dude.

LOL

Yay!

A bunch of movies I don't want, in a format I won't buy.

Who could ask for anything more?

You might not want these, but with all but one studio supporting Blu-Ray, and lots of companies not supporting HD-DVD, it's only a matter of time before there WILL be movies you won't be able to get in HD.

When will you realize that it is not the number of studios that will make or break these formats? It will be the pricing and availibility of the hardware and in demand titles.

Are you suggesting people are foolish enough to buy hardware that movies studios are not supporting?

What planet have you been on? HD-DVD hardware and software is been significantly outselling Blu-Ray ever since the formats came out. The movie studios are not the boss, the consumers are. If the consumers don't want a product they can tell the studios to stick it up their a**. Are you suggesting that the studios won't go crawling on their hands and knees to the other side if their format doesn't sell?

Um, hold on. I been in this industry for long enough to remember reality.

Studios selected BetaMax. Porn industy selected VHS. VHS won.

Studios (including Buena Vista/Disney) pushed hard for Divx. Porn industry selected DVD. DVD won.

Studios (Buena Vista/Disney trying to push one format again) pushes Blue Ray. Porn industry has selected HD-DVD. Which one do you think will win?

The Porn industry is the largets group of early adopters of technology, usually getting stuff out long before Hollywood. The first High Definition Porn was released a year ago. With an industry that actually grosses MORE money... yes MORE money by 8 Billion dollars than Hollywood, which one do you think will actually win this?

Do you have numbers?

The last numbers I saw for HD-DVD players, was June 2006, and they had s***ed only 25,000 players. A drop in the HD ocean.

You may have noticed, Blu-Ray is still not upto speed, and unlikely to be until Q4 06. But when they are, you will have Blu-Ray units from every major manufacturer out there (except for Toshiba ofcourse).

So? That doesn't mean people are going to start buying them.

No, I am saying the number and availibility of in demand releases matter more than the number of studios. (i.e. You could have 1000 studios backing Bluray; but if together they don't have 3 movies that people actually want, they aren't going to sell. There is a reason you see overflowing $5 bins of DVDs at Walmart...and the bins are overflowing at $5.)

No format has ever won because of the porn industry, I really hate that myth. VHS won because it had a longer recording time intitially compared to Betas pathetic 1 hour, and because it could be used by any company that wanted to make a machine. The real nail in the coffin for this stupid urban legend is the fact that there WAS porn available on beta also.

Divx lost because it was just a monumentally stupid idea. "Buying" movies that you had to get permission to play and only for a certain number of times and then they self-destructed to be thrown away and end up in a landfill. That and the fact they would not play on regular DVD players but required a special "divx" player.

Last I checked, the blue laser diodes used in those players still have yet to break 20% yields. Also, let's not forget the fact that the main proponent of Blu-Ray, Sony themselves, have yet to release a player. They keep pushing it back. The current release date is sometime in December supposedly, if you still believe anything Sony says. Yes, I know they're reserving a big chunk of those diodes for their precious PS3, yet there will only be 500,000 shipped to the USA and 100,000 to Japan. Nothing to Europe or Australia. The fact remains, HD-DVD is waaay ahead of Blu-Ray right now. Thanks to Sony's ineptness, they were given a pretty big head start. You can try and predict the future and say things will turn around in Q4 until you turn blu (pun intended) in the face. As it stands, BD is not even a contender in my book. People will buy the movies they like, in the format that's cheaper and more readily available. Throwing around numbers about how many studios are backing each format is meaningless. _We_ decide with our wallets which format wins, not some arrogant Sony exec. Just face it, Blu-Ray will be another monumental Sony failure.

PS. - I *highly* doubt there will be Blu-Ray units from every major manufacturer all of the sudden in Q4 of this year. Like I said, Sony themselves won't be releasing a player until December at the earliest. I can't see how all other companies will magically conjure up the diodes neede for those players, when they're in such short supply.

It's more of what the customers buy, not what companies support.

If more people buy HD-DVD than Blue Ray then I'm sure the companies would switch over.

HD-DVD is already outselling more than Blue Ray.

Do you have any figures for your 20% yield on Blu Ray lasers? (The lasers that are reportably "the same as HD-DVD lasers", despite the manufacturing problems that Blu-Ray are suffering).

I Didn't say all manufacturers will be releasing players in Q4, I said Blu-Ray will be getting upto speed in Q4.

At the moment, it';s still VERY early days, and any lead mad by HD-DVD will be vastly overshadowed overnight by half a million Blu-Ray equiped PS3's

You probabily are not aware, but HD-DVD is not even available in Europe yet (execept imports), so your comments about PS3 shipments to Europe is no big deal. The format war is being initially being fought on US soil...

and the 50,000 HD-DVD players will be old news when there are 500,000 Blu-Ray players in the hands of PS3 owners in a few weeks time.

I wonder if the DVDWars website will mysteriously close down, when the figures swing....

And the fact that you had to have an internet connection for your divx player just to watch a movie.

So? Look at all the 360s already out there. HD-DVD have more players out there and more consoles that will have the HD-DVD 'bolt on'.

But as I have said before, who knows where this will end up. PS1 and PS2 didnt use proprietary technology in their consoles and they suceeded, PS3 is an lock in to Blu Ray. But its a double edged sword. I see a great way to force people into early adopting, but an unfortunate side effect is giving them technology that (should it fail) will become obsolete.

Also, don't make the mistake that everyone who buys a PS3 will be backing Blu Ray and using that as their HD solution. The console is expensive enough without forking out for the movies. (I take it that the games will be the primary concern of most people buying)

I'm backing HD-DVD. They are leading in every aspect so far, but above all it comes down to the name: Blu Ray and HD-DVD, the brand progression is simple and more often than not, simple wins.

XBox360 sales are non-existent in Japan, and slow in US and Europe, basically it's hardly set the world alight (well it does if you count the overheating problems...).

It's also slowing down further. Time for XBox360's lead to become painfull.

http://www.vnunet.com/vn...-sales-slow-for-ps3-wii

I won't even mentioning alienating their existing XBox360 userbase, by introducing a new model with a better CPU!!!

As for PS3 using proprietary technology, that's total cr@p. There are at 20 open standards used in PS3, they are listed on the Wikipedia article,

Blu-Ray is actually LESS proprietary than HD-DVD, as it's got multiple vendor support, not just Toshiba....

Yeah, like the one's above?

Wow. Big loss...

Microsoft has shipped 3.3 million XBox 360 consoles so far. Sales have slowed because early adopters got theirs and the console is still expensive. How can you even compare the PS3 to the Xbox 360, when there will ONLY be 600,000 units available at launch and it costs considerably more than the Xbox 360? Sure, all the fanboys will be tripping over each other to buy one, but once the dust settles the 360 will still have a 2.7 million unit lead. Once all the Sony zealots get their PS3, the rate of sales will drop below that of the Xbox 360.

"Simultaneously, the same sources have suggested that Microsoft is planning Xbox 360 price cuts to undercut the newcomers."

A quote from your article. When people realize they can buy both the Xbox 360 and the Wii for the price of a PS3, which one do you think they will choose? The PS3 having a Blu-Ray drive will not be a factor for the average console buyer. These are the people buying a gaming machine for their kids for Christmas. They won't be concerned about supporting Sony's new technology. Not to mention the fact there won't *be* any PS3s to buy due to shortages.

let's not give sony more credit than they deserve. Last I heard it was 500,000 world wide. 400k US and 100k in Japan. I'm not gonna pick a winner, but I'd be more likely to get HD-DVD before BD just because I have a 360 and only need to spend $200 to watch HD-DVDs. I'm not about to pay another $500-600 on another gaming system when I've already invested enough on the 360. I can't afford it.

Hmm... I would.

I would hazard to guess that the average Joe Blow has no idea what studios are supporting what, or even that there is a format war right now. All he knows is Movie A is available in a "better" format for X amount over here and Y amount over there. He's going to go for whichever one is cheaper.

...and naturally, he's going to want the hardware that supports it.

Exactly.

XBox360 sales are non-existent in Japan...

Minidisc is still going strong in Japan too. What was your point? Oh, you thought Japan would decide the format war?

So your not buying the gaming system you want, because you're already commited by the 1st console to market...

No, he is not buying the gaming system you want...he actually didn't say he wanted a PS3.

Ok, finally got tired of your rambling about support for blu-ray and not HD-DVD, check this out.

http://www.engadget.com/...-the-s-union-s-division/

Now it appears that MOVIE support is listed as 9 for blu-ray, and 6 for HD-DVD.

Heres the catch, out of the 9 studios for blu-ray, 2 of them are gaming companies...

REPOST :-P

Ok, finally got tired of your rambling about support for blu-ray and not HD-DVD, check this out.

http://www.engadget.com/...-the-s-union-s-division/

Now it appears that MOVIE support is listed as 9 for blu-ray, and 6 for HD-DVD.

Heres the catch, out of the 9 studios for blu-ray, 2 of them are gaming companies...

$35 for HD? No thank you.

No, $35 for BluRay. :p

(Yeah, I know you meant High-Def...or, at least, I think you did...)

Yea, I did mean High-Def. :)