Hi here is the text :
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/H...ocid=3570473&file=4

I want to let you know about the 500$... before it was 200$

"Clause 30: (1) Existing text of subsection 38.1(2):
(2) Where a copyright owner has made an election under subsection (1) and the defendant satisfies the court that the defendant was not aware and had no reasonable grounds to believe that the defendant had infringed copyright, the court may reduce the amount of the award to less than $500, but not less than $200."

Replaced for :

"(1.1) If a copyright owner has made an election under subsection (1), a defendant who is an individual is liable for statutory damages of $500 in respect of all the defendant’s infringements that were done for the defendant’s private purposes and that are involved in the proceedings."

They remove the "i wasnt know i was illegal" from the text and double the amend... rely better for costumer? in our face ya....

Stéphane

It's me again! Pcf**Tool. You all know how much I love to run my mouth! After all, I am the biggest f**got here! I'm sitting in my fav chair, playing with my joystick while I suck-off betanews. I have TP for my bunghole and I'm ready to pinch one! Here it comes.... ungh! Wow, what a log! Good thing it was tapered on the end or my bunghole would've slammed-shut! I'm ready for a good fudge packing now! Bending over... ahhhh!

Hey how about you say something useful instead of badmouthing someone for their opinion. Fight him with facts instead of slinging insults at him. If your facts are wrong then admit you're wrong and move on. He might be a tool, but at least he's a useful one.

Another prepubescent @ss who is unable to succinctly or effectively state or debate another who must hide behind a mask.

Thanks for identifying yourself for what you are. Now run home and have your mom fix you a snack. Barny should be coming on any minute and you can settle down and try to remember the big words in the songs.

Now run home and have your mom fix you

Should have a period after that. ;)

//couldn't resist

It does, but its damned hard to see!

In an attempt to make sure it was there, I went to edit it for correctness and sure enough, its there clear in the editing screen, but not in the final post!

But for those who cannot see it, Tool is correct! Read it with a period properly placed.

After all, we certainly don't want to have the poor baby missing Barney as a result of his continuing inability to read for meaning!

I disagree with PCTool all the time but this s*** is NOT cool man...

Sorry PCTool. While you and I disagree on what archiving is, and what a VCR is used for among many other things. This crap is certainly not my idea of acceptable response to anyones comments... We all have the right to express ourselves and our beliefs, but when it get to be nothing more then degrading Bull, and no banter... Well its time for the BAN BAT...

Sorry again folks. sometimes these so called supporters of fair use get too arrogant to even make a coherent conversation. Its part of the reason our point of often missed in the rhetoric rantings.

And finally, PCTool; A VCR was made to allow for archiving of Public broadcasts, only later did Cable come into play, which had subscriptions that became your right to view and time shift and archive as you which. Again with a VCR. Later that was also with DVD-Rs until the DMCA made all that fair use for personal archiving of content moot. Indeed given the opportunity the industry would sue every maker of DVD-+Rs, DVRs, PVRs, and every other imaginable recordable media in existence. They do not want you to EVER record something for any reason. you either buy it on DVD, or Buy it on digital restrictive use download, or watch it ONLY at the time its broadcast to the public, Via a public airwave (which about to go all private with DTV movement). Thats it. Thats the only acceptable things THEY want you to do with any content. Personally I would rather go without all together then face that restriction. Indeed we almost are now anymore as the available content on the air, are so poor in quality there is little to watch as it is. So the majority of My entertainment programing comes from MY DVD series collection, My Downloaded content of classic archived series, and transferring my aging VHS archives of classic television to MPG for clean up, then to DVD for personal storage. Its worth noting that Much of this archived collection has NEVER seen the light of day on a DVD commercially. And its doubtful some of it ever will. However when it has become available I have purchased it, as I have with downloaded content. But for many many years the only archive I had was on my VHS and Beta recordings. And only recently has the studios woke up to the fact that this stuff has a value to the public. Why you may ask? Could it be that existing content is so bad that this is the best alternative? Watching decades old TV shows rather then watch what passes for the prime time today? In my case that is fact... Of a typical current schedule I think I watch MAYBE 2 shows a season... and almost every time I either download them or personally digitize them as well for archive. Just as I used too with my VHS machine. Editing out the Commercials and collecting them on several tapes per season.

Anyways... Beside the point. if that act makes me a pirate, well then there are millions of us that have recorded TV shows on a VCR through the years. And I'm sure I am not the ONLY one that has kept them for personal use to watch time and time again at MY choosing. It is the purpose of a VCR VHS/BETA Machine. If this is illegal then so too is all recording devices ever made.

And while the law may be twisted to say otherwise, and artificial limitations may be imposed to enforce this unreasonable law. As long as such devices are allowed to exist AT ALL, then that is the purpose they will be used for. And the public will DEMAND fair rights applied to those devices.

the DMCA has not been given a fair hearing at the supreme court level because the industry does not want to risk another test of the legal standard in regards to public rights to use legal and existing equipment as they are designed to be used. This is why they consistently go after so called copyright violators in civil court rather then federal; Strange to me because the imposing FBI warning implies that its a federal felony right? So should it not be in Federal Court? Of course it should... but it is not because burden of proof is set SOOO high they they would have a hard time winning such cases, AND risk it going to the Supreme Court if it appeals that high. Then they got nothing anymore to intimidate the public with.

"the DMCA has not been given a fair hearing at the supreme court level because the industry does not want to risk another test of the legal standard in regards to public rights to use legal and existing equipment as they are designed to be used."

Interesting that you feel the 'industry' must 'go after' DMCA when in fact it is in their interest to leave it as it is, as restrictive and favorable as it is to their position.

I too feel the DMCA is ridiculously out of touch with the complexities of modern media, but the answer is not a bunch of Bozos disseminating literally thousands of copies of songs, etc. via P2P networks with compensation to the owners of said material.

And the notion that copies cannot be made solely for backup or for use on another player owned by the same person who purchased the material for use is ridiculous and naive. A viable definition of Fair Use MUST be better defined.

What is even more surprising is that the opposition to DMCA has been amazingly deafening in their silence regarding doing exactly that!

The opposition has remained one of the most ineffectual sources of whining in memory, too often advocating the wholesale redistribution of material without recognizing reasonable limits, and as such their collective failure to coherently address the subject in anything other than P2P chat rooms is not only comedic, but it is truly unfortunate.

A VCR was made to allow for archiving of Public broadcasts,

You make an assumption here that "Public Broadcasts" are not protected by their own copyrights, or that this somehow doesn't matter.

If they made a gun, specifically to kill 6yr-olds, it'd still be illegal to kill 6yr-olds.

Archiving an entire season, or even one episode indefinitely has *always* been a violation of copyright.

In terms of Fair Use: Archiving=backup. *NOT* your personal copy for leisurely playback. Of course, the law was never explicit on that until the DMCA, so you, and others, interpreted it the way *you* wanted, and not the way to copyright holders wanted it.

Can't really blame you, I'd love to record every season of BSG and never have to buy the DVDs.

*shrug*

The "purpose" of the VHS is to record, of course, but not specifically protected content. This is where your implication that the device itself is illegal falls on it's face. There are *plenty* of non-infringing uses for them. If you can't see them, that's your own failure of insight, not theirs.

One last bit...

This is why they consistently go after so called copyright violators in civil court rather then federal;

Wrong again. Copyright infringement is not a criminal offense, but a civil one, which is why it is tried in civil courts.

...and one more thing:

Strange to me because the imposing FBI warning implies that its a federal felony right?

Recording for sale is a felony. Simple copyright infringement is not. A case was recently made to force them to change those warnings to state this. (Both are still offenses, but one carries criminal consequences, whereas the other does not)

...and one *more* thing (Jacki Chan cartoons rock!):

Just because "millions" do it, doesn't mean it's legal. Millions run stop signs, don't come to a complete stop at right turns, or use their turn-signals (must be out of blinker fluid..).

You and I both agree the RIAA has gone overboard, we just disagree on some of the basics. *shrug*

Good thing we're not the judges deciding this....we'd go on forever arguing it. ;)

>I'd love to record every season of BSG and never have to buy the DVDs.

Excepting the "[You Gobdanm Thieves!] slur at the
beginning of DVDs, I consider recording much more
trouble* than buying the DVD.

Oh, and bored now so out of context: VCRs were
made so's company would have something to sell.

*I count getting money as troublesome.

("Time shifted" television programs received their own set of rules, disallowing them to be kept indefinitely.)

That means the betamax style archiving consumer rights will be removed folks...IE recording to VHS and keeping of your subscribed too content. Essentially saying you subscribe to a magazine or book club, but the min you stop subscribing you have to destroy all your magazines or books, or send them back, cause you no longer have a right to have them archived. BULL CRAP!

this is a repeat of the DMCA, and the good logical citizens of Canada should stand up to their politicians and say Hey wait a min what about OUR rights!!! Something We Americans have been politically whipped out of saying for decades now. And if we do we get guns put to our heads till we recant. Get ready Canada, Your next on the hit list if you allow this travesty.

*laughs*


By ingram091

posted Jun 14, 2008 - 2:09 PM

("Time shifted" television programs received their own set of rules, disallowing them to be kept indefinitely.)

That means the betamax style archiving consumer rights will be removed folks...IE recording to VHS and keeping of your subscribed too content. Essentially saying you subscribe to a magazine or book club, but the min you stop subscribing you have to destroy all your magazines or books, or send them back, cause you no longer have a right to have them archived.

TV, cable and satellite have *never* been marketed in this way. Nice imagination. Did you have to work up all that indignant rage, or or is that something you can pull off at will?

Television has never been sold as a medium with which you are entitled indefinite copies. Never.

Fair use is well and good, but what you are all worked up about has *nothing* to do with it. You never had a right to keep recorded TV indefinitely.

Maybe it's time to kick out the Conservative government. That's what we get for electing a brown nose. Welcome to America part II.

Obviously no one in Canada has heard of Slysoft and the AnyDVD suite of products.

Duh.... [rollseyes0

No. We Canadians are all dumb. You're the master brain.

DVD Fab is better, requires no Slysoft AnyDVD at all. It also converts to iPod or anything else you want excpet DPG for the Nintendo DS R4DS Moonshell player.

Its not better at all!

Sure its 'Adequate' IF you simply want an even lower fi copy! And if thats the case, Why bother?

...Just listen to AM of highly compressed FM radio further compressing an already heavily compressed media.

The worst thing about this new legislation is that we are ALL vulnerable, whether you share files or not. Say your computer gets a virus which participates in file sharing, your computer will be held accountable for files you didn't even know you had.

Region free DVD players "circumvent" a "digital lock" so they are illegal!

Say you have a non-Canadian heritage (this is Canada after all). You'll have to buy a different DVD player to play movies sent from your family back home

Have 2+ cultures in your house, then you need 3+ DVD players, 1 for Canada, 1 for Europe, 1 for Asia, ...

Harper actually wants us to buy multiple DVD players, and multiple copies of things. Have 2 kids with 2 mp3 players, buy 2 copies of every song both kids like!

I guess we deserve it for only voting Liberal/Conservative for all of recent memory. Maybe we want to be American...

"Harper actually wants us to buy multiple DVD players, and multiple copies of things. Have 2 kids with 2 mp3 players, buy 2 copies of every song both kids like!"

Great example there!

How unlike unique hard goods where, for instance, your 2 kids can wear the same pair of pants that they both like at the same time!

Ooops!

Yeah, it helps to think through your erudite analogies before you post them.

Its too bad that it is so hard for you to abide by the terms of use agreements you agreed to when purchasing the items.

You didn't have to buy them if the terms of use were so heinous!

But again, another case of someone granting themselves rights in difference to that which they agreed after the fact and whining about it.

Being a victim is certainly tough.

I put newly "blank" video cassettes on the top of
the stack, and when I need a new blank one I grab
from the top of the stack. Legally, whatever is
on those tapes at the bottom? I think I've had
those time shifted shows indefinitely.
That reminds me. I've gotta put "find a program
that will save a TV show straight to DVD RW" on
my to do list (right after "make to do list.)"

I am SO tired of BushBaby (our affectionate name for Mr. harper) kissing American genitalia with his oral orifice at every opportunity.

Never mind the fact that CRIA has no canadian members (they seceded a couple of years ago and rolled their own).

Never mind the fact that the Canadian Supreme Court set legal precedents on the subject that are directly opposed to the American neo-fascist view of raping fair use.

Never mind that this has been tried twice before over and above the aforementioned incidents and roundly tossed out.

No.

BushBaby has to kowtow to American Big Business (like the true Conservative that he is) and attempt o swallow DMCA whole on the first date over all the concerns of Canadians that we might actually end up like the idiots Due south of us.

The blatant lies that this legislation is "Made in Canada" only underscores the all too visible attempt of American Big Business to meddle in our affairs and the fact that they found a willing bedmate in the Republican, er, conservative Party.

GAWD, how I hate wannabes, especially when they pick certified (and certifiable) card-carrying morons as role models.

If he's such a moron (and I'm not saying he isn't), why is he holding an office?

I thought you guys had your s*** together up there.

...turns out you've got it just as bad, if not a little behind the times, eh?

He lied big time. You know that type......

Ah, so the politicos can pull the wool over your eyes, just like they can in the US, eh?

So much for your superiority complex....

Hey. I voted Liberal during the last election.

BTW, you're the one with the "complex".

*You* voted liberal???

Nooo....

Can you imagine my shock??

*laughs*

Thanks for that gem. No-one would have ever guessed...

Here's the situation:

The Liberals were a mess and also had been in power for so long that they had become overtly corrupt (all politicians are but there comes a point where a threshold is crossed). We as Canadians sent them a message in the last election by bringing a Conservative government to 10 Sussex but we weren't stupid - we gave them a minority government because we didn't want a Big Business worship machine / Republican wannabe to run a generally liberal-minded country. I can support this point with a quick trip down Canadian memory lane: if you look at our history over the last century, you'll see that we tend to elect liberal governments with brief sojourns into Conservative territory when they become too lax. A Conservative government rarely stays in power for very long and generally while they're there, muck things up for the longer ter. NAFTA is a great example - we should never have been part of that travesty.

But I digress.

That's how BushBaby came to power. The Liberals are still in disarray due to infighting (sound familiar?) and so this clown remains clinging to power. We can't elect a NDP government because while we are moderately Socialist, those twits are ridiculous. we can't elect a Bloc Quebecois government because Canadians (note the word - I did not say Quebecquers) are not treasonous - or insane. In point of fact, I can't see why that party is even allowed to exist - IMNSHO they should be lined up and shot as traitors to the country since their platform is to break the country up but again I digress.

I will certainly agree that we don't have our act together but the one thing I will say is that we are nowhere as bad off as you folks are. We at least have the possibility of reasonable government somewhere on the horizon but you guys... heaven (or hell) help you. We tend to balance out after a term or perhaps two but you guys are in a flatspin. moreover, while BushBaby is trying to kiss a** to your Reichstag (yup - the word was chosen carefully because after all, you're the ones with the SS, er, Homeland Security), you guys have already totally abrogated your rights and freedoms and will never ever get them back.

We're not quite there yet and hopefully we won't be.

Superiority complex?

This coming from an AMERICAN?

With YOUR foreign policy record???

ROFLMCAO!!! (the "C" is for "cynical")

BTW, it should be noted that the reason we have issue with BushBaby is because he' s acting disturbingly like one of your own instead of one of us.

...and I'm hoping the Liberals call him out on it.

Or the NDP.

Unlike in the US liberal is not a dirty word up here. After all we do have a better quality of life than a growing number of Americans do now. We even live an average of 4 years longer than the average American does. Also, the average American family is now less better off than in any time since the Great Depression in America. Things started to go downhill around the time Reagan got into office and "trickled down on" America while quadrupling the national debt from $1 trillion (Took 80 years get it that high.) to $4 trillion in only 8 years.

Now Bush has it almost up to $10 trillion and look at the big mess your country is in now while just 1% of the top rich have benefited over the rest of America.....

Such amazing crap.

Go preach your nonsense to the Quebecors about how wonderful things are...if you know French. After all, the frogs do have the Language Police!

So, what is the Frog spelling of McDonald's and how does McDonald's list their business in Frog?

ROFLMAO!

And from:

THE FACE OF POVERTY IN CANADA: AN OVERVIEW
by the National Anti-Poverty Organization, 2003
The Good News:
• poverty rate for lone parent families is below 50% for the first time in 20 years (due in part to higher incomes and increased government transfers)
• poverty rate for seniors has dropped from 20% to 17% (due to recent full CPP benefit payments from the government to eligible seniors)
• poverty rate for seniors living alone has dropped from 65% in 1980 to 40% in 2000
The Bad News:
The last decade has seen one of Canada’s strongest economic performances. However, all Canadians have not shared this economic prosperity.
• deep and persistent poverty continues in Canada
• the national pre-tax poverty rate has increased over the last 13 years
• rate and depth of poverty has deepened for many groups
• young families are more likely to be poor
• vulnerability of children and lone-parent families remains high
• the poverty gap for working-age households is increasing
(Canadian Fact Book on Poverty 2000 - CCSD)

Oh, and you can also be proud of:

"One area of human rights that has been under growing pressure in recent years with the ever-increasing reliance on information technology has been the right to privacy. Now, with the new global emphasis on security and counter-terrorism, the right of privacy will be under almost unprecedented challenge.

This is all the more a concern here in Canada, where, in the opinion of some, the right of privacy is already somewhat under-protected in our domestic human rights laws. The right of privacy as such is not enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and, as we heard from various witnesses, privacy does not generally fall under the jurisdiction of our human rights commissions.[42] While there are statutory regimes dealing with the protection of privacy, they are usually limited to the protection of personal information supplied to governments. As Professor Schabas noted, the right to privacy is an area where Canada’s domestic human rights protections fall short of international standards.[43]"

From:
PROMISES TO KEEP:
IMPLEMENTING CANADA’S HUMAN RIGHTS OBLIGATIONS
Report of the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37.../rep-e/rep02dec01-e.htm

And don't forget your wonderful tax situation:
Comparison of taxes paid by a household earning the country's average wage (as of 2005)

Canada Single 31.6% Married 2 children 21.5%

United States Single 29.1% Married 2 children 11.9%

And suicide rates per 100K per WHO http://www.who.int/menta...suicide/suiciderates/en/:

Canada men 19.5 women 5.1

United States men 17.6 women 4.1

Plus: "Economic relations between Canada and the US are of paramount importance to Canada. The US is Canada's most important trading partner (Canada exports 30% of its gross domestic product and almost 70% of Canadian exports are to the US) and the US has provided Canada with much of its investment capital and TECHNOLOGY through FOREIGN INVESTMENT, resulting in a high level of US ownership and control of the Canadian ECONOMY.

While access to US markets, investment and technology have benefited Canadians, the resulting commercial arrangements, along with the great disparity in population between the 2 countries, has created serious problems for Canada, including a high level of dependency on and vulnerability to US policies."
http://www.thecanadianen...fm?Params=A1ARTA0001258

And how can we overlook the heinous criminal and 'menace to societe' Saku Koivu?! You know, the Finnish hockey player who happens to be the captain of the Montreal Canadians who has trouble with his third language - Frog, who is violating Canadian rights by not allowing hockey fans to be served in French.

When Koivu is inevitably found guilty in a court of law for crimes against humanity, should he subject him to lethal injection, the electric chair, or just forced to be a panelist on Tout le monde en parle?

ROFLMAO!

Still a wannabe with a victim mentality...from the country who has ridden on the coattails of the US yet provides little of the advances on its own.

Ah, life in Paradise....LOL!

You replied to the wrong person on the French part. It doesn't look good for your level of intelligence.....

I still rather be poor in Canada than in America. You are thinking of Standard of living. I'm talking about quality of life and it is higher than in America, foxfyart. At least we actually get our taxes worth back and on average we are still better off than you are.

And the rest of your rant can be directly placed on the CONservatives as they move to please the republicans.

And for you last "comment" there is such a thing as the Atlantic Ocean that has offered much in the way of protection, plus there is the fact that most people in the world don't hate us on the level that they do you.

BTW, have you ever heard of Insulin?

http://inventors.about.c...ventions/a/Canadian.htm

Yes, the wrong person indeed, as only an Canadian idiot fails to realize that the French issue is fundamental to the Canadian experience!

"I am SO tired of BushBaby (our affectionate name for Mr. harper) kissing American genitalia with his oral orifice at every opportunity." Gee this sums up the ENTIRE Canadian historical experience!

That's the best you can do? Why not mention "ice"? LOL! Hell, you didn't even score with the frozen margarita! - that was Dallas!

You b!tch about the US and yet you fall behind in every category - and still more people are literally killing themselves to get out of Canada than the US!

You actually have to become involved and do something - anything - to be loved or hated. And I dare say that much of the world still
is still trying to get into the US at a much higher rate than through the back door orifice called Canada.

Ain't socialism grand.
My Canadian relatives are a hoot as they rebel against the tax rates and lousy medical care (gee, closing ALL of the hospitals in Ontario from mid November through the end of the year is a marvelous cost saving measure!)by cheering for US hockey teams as they wait for Quebec to succeed (despite their being a welfare state unable to be economically self-sufficient! LOL!!!) and they say they will then become an American state!

But then, at family reunions as kids, there was always some stupid argument that ended in a wrestling match as the Canadians pissed their pants at ANY mention of the Queen as they replied in an attempt to insult the Americans that our president sucked - to which we agreed!

And let's not forget the trains whose schedules don't match up with any of the other trains - especially as you cross Provincial boundaries!

Such a joke.

What a flake.

What a delusional piece of work you are. We still are better off than a growing number of Americans are. I never claimed perfection. The French will never separate from the rest of Canada, they know which side of the bread is buttered on. They're really nothing more than spoiled children. If they leave they know they leave naked and without much of their province as well since it is under native control.

Of course all of the CONservative leaders in Canada kissed up to America, they wanted in on the money.

There are still people in the world who believe in the myth that once was America....

BTW, you're a little behind in your "facts". I truly feel sorry for "Ugly Americans" like you who just can't face reality. Your kind are more a real threat to your nation than any terrorist could ever be. You'd sell you grandma for a dollar if you could. No one hates the average Americans more than a republican. After all, it was the republicans who sold the terrorists many of their weapons in the first place.

What a retard you truly are. Come to think of it you sound like something just as bad as a republican, a libertopian idiot.

“It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.”

Sorry liberal socialist boy, is that all you've got? THAT's your lame rebuttal??? LOL!

YOU are the one rambling on with your minority "they are screwing us poor victims" rant!

All the while the story is about real occurrences in Utopia- I mean, Canada! Oops! D@mned facts!

You are the poor little nobody whining how bad everyone else is! All the while blaming everyone else for you and your ilk being duped. Yup, Canada is a world leader - all the while they can't even figure out how to live in a unified country that has a unified train schedule!

And YOUR politicians pass laws you blame on everyone else because you are too stupid to elect better ones. I know, but its everyone else's fault! Maybe one day you and the other Canadian apologists will grow up and assume responsibility for your own screwups instead of simply playing the poor stupid victim blaming everyone else for YOUR phukups.

Tell you what, stop accepting US trade. Its simple! Despite your economy tanking, you can feel very superior as you will still be able to blame everyone else but yourself.

And your rebuttal is the usual vapid nonsense - better yet, its non-existent - sort of like your logic.

One thing hasn't changed, your constant blaming of everything on everyone else!

Keep telling yourself how great it is - maybe if you do it long enough, you can sufficiently delude yourself to even believe it.

ok settle down now

The summation is pretty easy:

When my family emigrated from the Caribbean, we had two choices: the US and Canada. I lived in the US for a year while in school and then met my folks in Canada. Canadian Immigration came through first and we moved in. A year later US Immigration called us and said "come".

We said "no thanks".

Based on my experiences there as well as observations of how you conduct yourselves on the world stage, it was and remains the right choice.

I have a family of my own now and would not wish them to grow up in the envisronment - physical, political and social - that exists Due South of us.

Your country exhibits all the classic symptoms of an empire in decline, trying desperately to hold on to past glories - dieback, if you will. Those signs are there for all to see which is why you have the credibility you enjoy in international affairs.

The world no longer laughs *with* you. The problem is that you're not honest enough with yourselves to face who they're laughing *at*. Your own arrogance gets int he way of you doing this. As such, you'll remain in denial and never fix the problems and the results are already self-evident (Hint: look at your economy and the value of your currency - the Euro has owned you for at least five years now). It remains to be seen how many others you drag down with you - the UK came close but appears to have smartened up. At some point we too will ditch the poser we have in power - historically, we have a tendency to right ourselves despite the unfortunate effects of the Diefenbakers and Mulroneys (good Conservatives all!).

It is a philosophy the time for which is past.

'nuff said.

Blah Blah Blah

You bail out from one place to the first place who will accept you - primarily due to the lesser number of people trying to immigrate.

You simply add to the erudite poster who contributes simplistic cliched observations taking credit where you have absolutely none, and making excuse3s for everything else.

So, tell us about "your country", of which you know little and for which you can explain less with your cliched generalizations.

Canada has quite a few fundamental issues with which they have never adequately addressed - yet your selective attention simply either dismisses them or worse, fails to even be aware!

But the classic combination of old left rant combined with the classic Canadian inferiority complex blaming the US for all of its and the world's ills as well as their own is fascinating.

Doesn't seem like it took long for you to get that down at all, did it? The irony is that many of us have more of an intimate history and much more experience than YOU do with Canada AND the US!

So here's a thought, instead of simply running away from another country where you didn't like the situation and failed to do anything about it (I'm sure it was someone else's fault there too!), don't take credit for the easiest place to run as you simply absolve yourself yet again of any problems and point your self-righteous fingers at others as you try to take credit for something which you obviously have not been responsible while you complain about something you know even less about.

A Canadian transplant that is neither responsible for Canada's positive points and makes excuses for the problems, as he second-handedly criticizes others.

So, let's hear about the wonderful land you folks ran away from Canuck! The irony is that I have more of a historical legacy with Canada than you - the 'expert' - does!
No wonder there was no response to anything I said - as you and the mouthpiece don't even have a clue as to what it refers.

Stick to something you know about: Running away and playing the victim as you absolve yourself of all responsibility as you blame everyone else for the world's ills.

The one thing the US should do is stop giving a d@mn about other places and let them solve their own problems - I mean, who cares about genocide, be it in the form of Saddam, Bosnia or Darfur? The US should let others like the UN deal with it who have alreaqdy IRREVOCABLY proven to be INCAPABLE of addressing, let alone even acknowledging the isues. Of course, the UN should let the other member states also assume a greater role in financing such endeavors as well. After all, you wouldn't want the US' money, now would you!

So walk your talk. Don't simply b!tch about problems in the world and them wait for the amorphous 'they' to magically solve it. Get off your butts and do it! Yourselves! And don't wait for, or demand that the US fund or risk their people to solve world problems.

Take a bow for absolving yourselves of responsibility while complaining about those who have risked just abit more than you have!

You sound like a bunch of little birds, straining in the nest, demanding more more more for me me me of the parents while b!tching about the menu!

Get off your butts and do something for yourselves

YOU and your kind who simply sit on their collective @sses and complain have proven to be a bigger failure than those who have TRIED, as you parasitically live off the contributions of others and yet claim that others have not done enough.

Such a typical victim rant. Isn't it easy when everyone else, be they in Canada or the US, is at fault! So, what are YOU responsible for? I would suggest you get off your @ss, shut your mouth, and get to work. There are plenty of problems in all of the places to keep you busy if you choose to actually do more than simply b!tch that OTHERS aren't doing enough!

And here you have classic case of a CANADIAN initiative - made by and for Canadians! How about dealing with that fact and assuming responsibility for dealing with that - INSTEAD of whining about the US?

Like in so many other things, all you do is fail to contribute to a solution while your whining simply contributes to the overall noise floor.

A typical self-absorbed American view, completely ignorant of what happens outside your own street, let alone your city, state or god forbid borders. And then you stand there with a stunned look on your face wondering why you're alone on a crowded planet and your citizens have to borrow backpacks and caps with the Canadian flag on it so that people won't shoot at you if you carry one with the American flag.

The truly sad part is that nothing you can say changes the obvious facts which can be observed by all (and have been, else you would not be in the position that you are).

Nothing more need be said.

EDIT:

I neglected to add that we emigrated 30 YEARS ago. The decay was self-evident then, albeit in its early stages. Thus, this mess of yours is not a new thing - just the fully ripened version.

Spoken like the ignorant refugee who has simply run to a more opportune place rather than doing something to change your own homeland and then b!tches that others have not done more for you.

I guess that is why so many from the places you say hate us have opted to come to the US rather than stay in their oppressive countries...One wonders how things would be different had they stayed and tried to make a difference as well.

Gee, but when are "THEY" going to do something about it???? Oh, but They tried. Waaaaaaaaa.

Here's suggestion. Go back to where you came from and relieve the rest of the Canadians of your social burden and fix the hole you left. Or would that mean actually doing something yourself???(I was born in Bransford you dolt and most of my family still lives in Canada!! And I have duel citizenship as one of my parents was American. So YOU tell me about Canada, newcomer! You OBVIOUSLY know even less about the social dynamic of Canada than you demonstrate already! And why don't you tell us how Canada entitles itself to seize legally owned real property if one chooses to reside outside of Canada? And YOU tell me about the typical self-absorbed American view that you have only read about in a magazine! or of the generosity afforded you as you sponged an education while awaiting a visa!) Its amazing how you speak for Canada, newcomer... Simply having spent time in a social welfare office comparing benefits others provide you by their work does not make you an authority!

And voting for more socialism is not a fix for Canada's ills nitwit. But oh, it sounds like we will get something for nothing! Its like mana just falls from the sky as we vote to authorize our taking other's property and giving it to ourselves! Self entitlement is so much fun!

No wonder you are up in arms that someone opposes stealing other's work without compensation. And you, just like Canada in this case, lags far behind the world in finally addressing and dealing with the issue. And as usual, you fail to offer anything of value except for your whining about what others have done. Maybe you are on your way to being a real Canadian?! Wannabe.

You have nothing to say.

Same reason were going to end up with another moron in office here. They had to choose from least of the few worst options.

In the US we have Bad and worse to choose from, least now we don't have to content with Worse with PMS to boot...

IMHO the word Incumbent, should become the trigger to vote them out. At least for the time being till we get some REAL people in these positions that actually understand what REAL people think about and have to contend with in these asinine governments anymore.

"No wonder you are up in arms that someone opposes stealing other's work without compensation"

too bad this bill does nothing at all to help artists.

all it does is help companys make more money for nothing

Own a video on DVD and want to move it to ipod?
awww thats a shame, you can't it has copy protection and to bypass it would be agaist the law... buy another copy on iTunes.

Want to take your current $500 phone to another network?
aweeee too bad, buy another one.

Want to PVR a show on TV that you pay $100/month for?
aweee too bad, we dont want you to record it, flag up. oh by the way, enjoy the ads every 15min.

oh, teehee
were not going to remove the levy that allows you to download music were going to raise it and add another. but you can't download anything now.

The amazing this is that whether the terms of usage are restrictive or not, or whether you or I agree or disagree, those companies, through agreement by contract with the creators, whomever they may be, own the rights to the said programming.

Arguing who benefits is a moot point, as the rights have been assigned by contract. They are now free to establish whatever terms of usage they choose - and we are free to adhere to them or to avoid the material. You do indeed have a choice - and I would suggest avoiding the material and depriving those who set excessive limitations on their use of the revenue.

But whatever the terms of usage, you are not entitled to award yourself rights to said material. So your rant again goes down in flames.

What is always fascinating in the rants surrounding this subject is not fair use, but rather how so many who have paid nothing for the use of such property feel self-righteously entitled to award themselves rights which were granted neither by the creator nor the owner of said materials - and for which they are prepared to compensate neither - despite their cries that it is so unfair to the creators of said property.

So, agree or disagree with the terms of usage, the owner's should be free to establish whatever terms they choose, and the paying consumers have the right to agree to the terms or to avoid using it! No more, no less. And the common position that 3rd parties are somehow self-entitled to use others property as they themselves deem appropriate if they disagree with the terms of use is a fascinatingly vapid argument.

Gee, but I paid to see a movie, why can't I come in for any showing thereafter!? Or, I paid for the meal, aren't I entitled to eat thereafter whenever I choose? Whatever the terms of usage, and however you might or might not agree, you agreed to those terms as a condition of paying for the service, or, in the case of many of the loudest complainers - they paid for nothing but have deemed themselves entitled to other's property.

But its always fun to watch others without standing decide that they are entitled to other's property. And its funny to watch how when a company or government does it it is criminal, but when YOU do it is is justified.

The only thing that is consistent, is that persons with your same lack of values are the same ones who attribute to themselves that same right when they are in power.

Unfortunately, I don't see anyone positing a legal foundation for a reasonable Fair Use policy. Certainly not those who simply entitle themselves to whatever it is that they desire without regard for the property owners.

Arguing that one excess justifies another only makes you equally as stupid as you maintain the other side to be.

Both sides: the overly zealous commercial control freaks and the self-entitled morons are both idiots in this argument.

And despite ALL of the noise surrounding this issue, its funny that no one seems to be working on a workable and practical legal definition of Fair Use commensurate to all sides. But then that might come dangerously close to putting some of that teen-aged angst and self-righteous sense of entitlement to a constructive use while it curtails some of the overly zealous control posited to the owners of the material - rather than simply rationalizing your entitlement to other's property.

But why try to do something commensurable and reasonable for all, when each side has the opportunity to posit equally stupid restrictions and abuses upon the other? Heaven forbid that SOMEONE should stop and actually think!

I know that.

It was a cut at roj and sjc001 and their "Canada is so much better than the US" bull.

Back when the DMCA hit the US they were both all laughing and carrying on about how much better it is in Canada and that such a thing would never even be considered up there...

*laughs*

So much for that, eh boys?

*laughs*

Your memory is short.

by your logic it will be ok if car companies
tell you what you can do with the car you just bought.. because they made it and you did not have to buy it.

you can only buy gas from ____
you will not lend the car to friend and family members
All maintenance will be done by ____
you may not transfer ownership of this car to another.

Sounds silly, but it's no diffrent from whats going on now.

As usual you misstate my case.

I happen to completely disagree with the usage policies.

That said, by virtue of my disagreeing with the terms, it does not give me a right to violate the terms of use to which I agreed.

I have the choice to pay for the use of the product (which you are in fact doing - just as with software) and agree by the terms of the contract of the transaction, or I have the right to refuse the terms and not pay for the use and buy something whose terms of use better agree with my desires.

I prefer the later option of passing on buying items with such restrictive terms of use and suggest others do as well. If you want to change the terms and the laws concerning such transactions, please work to develop a coherent alternative equitable to all parties and work for its passage.

The nature of copyrighted digital media is not the same as a tangible 'unique' item of real property such as your car.

The closest your example could come would be if one rented the car and the company stipulated the terms of use - something that is regularly done with rental cars.

Instead the issue is over the identical duplication of said material for reuse. So your example of a car is not simply over its use and resale, but of its replication and sale as if it were the original car, complete with identical VIN number - despite your analogy breaking down as media is not solely real property and we are not talking about the disposition of the original copy, but of a duplicate copy.

(But, that being said, try to duplicate and sell exact copies of ANY trademarked product, be they cars or sports memorabilia or music TShirts, etc..., and try to sell them and SEE what happens! Ooops! You are obviously oblivious to the laws aren't you.)

I understand the concept of Fair Use very well, and I agree that a purchaser should have the option to duplicate for backup and or use on other players of differing formats in the possession of the same purchaser.

But I also understand and agree with the rights of the copyright holder to limit subsequent distribution of unauthorized copies. Unfortunately, you do not seem to do so. And your car example utterly fails to account for this aspect.

You fail to understand.
your whole argument is based on selling duplicated items, I never once said I want to sell a duplicate.

If I wanted to though, I could build a mirror image of a car legally, its done all the time.

ps. you sound like a mindless drone who has no opinion of his own. lawyer in training?

Poor baby.

I have already stated that I am in favor of fair use for the individual. Duh! But that seems to confound the hell out of your one track rant!

Unfortunately, the majority of the mindless self-entitled crowd is being caught and prosecuted, NOT for making their own backup, but for redistributing the files P2P without compensation!

But I guess that MAJOR distinction simply fails to register in that lonely itty bitty ganglion of yours.

No wonder lawyers are eating idiots like you alive who don't get that simply redistributing your 'mirror images' without compensation to the owners is illegal and should remain so! You folks deserve it.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

you poor child, crying like that when you lose a argument will get you nowhere

Contained within C-61 are clauses which allow citizens to copy legally-acquired materials (music, books, newspapers, DVDs, videocassettes, photographs) onto various devices and make backups.

DVD's are not included in this. VHS is, but most CD's and DVD's are not allowed. You'd have to circumvent CSS to backup your DVDs. :)

Ars Coverage:
When we come to backup copies, the list is a curious one: books, newspapers, videocassettes, and photographs. This is not accidental. The government's "fact sheets" on the bill indicate that DVDs are not included, and CDs don't seem to be, either. While a "backup right" might sound consumer-friendly, it doesn't apply to things that consumers actually want to back up: DVDs, computer software, CDs.

The $20,000 penalty for sharing is crap. I could understand that for those commercial distributors, those making money from it, but non-commercial (p2p)? They need to change the $500 cap to apply to *all* non-commercial sharing.

You'd think they'd have learned from the recent $200,000 judgment in the US.

Copyright is indeed broken. This is not going to fix it.

Still illegal to back up your DVD, copy protected Audio-CD, protected Software... (illegal to circumvent DRM).

Transferring your DVD to an iPod? Nope.
Unlock the iPhone? Nope.
Watch a DVD coded for another region? Nope.

Further reading:
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/ (not my site, picked from a post on the ars forum) He's got some interesting breakdowns if you can get past the "angry at the world" mentality.

"made in Canada"
yet the only thing they did was meet with the US about this.

good thing almost every newspaper and tv station has spoken about how bad this bill is
and how no one wants anything to do with it.
other then the people being paid by the US Corps.

Yes, we are the 51 state.

Harper and his cronies are so far up Bush **s that they can not even see the sunshine any more.

What a bunch of sellouts.

By the way the gas prices are to low please increase the cost and make Bush even happier.

*laughs*

Yeah....cuz Bush is the reason gas prices are so high...

//sarcasm

No problem. Just drive over the border, fill up here, drive back. Repeat.

Sad part is, the US get's more oil from Canada then any other single source... AND they get it cheaper then we get it ourselves

Nope.

Big Oil (NOT to be confused with OPEC) is.

Sanctioned by George, of course.

*laughs*

Yes, of course. Because George is in control....right?

For all you fools who seem to be under the impression that he is utterly incapable, you sure seem to give him credit for damn near everything.

George is controlled. No conspiracy, it is just business. Business that America is paying for through the nose. Better a fool than a tool.

i dont think this should be right to do this well im talking if your going to download for your own personal use but if your going to distribute it and copyright it then that is wrong to do that and illegal i think its crazy that they want to do something like that

I agree.

With a fine of $500 for illegally downloading content how on earth are they going to catch and prosecute ALL the people who will still be doing it, it will cost more than $500 to catch and prosecute a person tax payers money should be spent on better things.

Im also curious about this phrase

"Contained within C-61 are clauses which allow citizens to copy legally-acquired materials (music, books, newspapers, videocassettes, photographs) onto various devices and make backups."

So how do they clarify "Legally-Acquired" does this include if i purchase a cd from a friend for $1 if its the "Original" copy?

So how do they clarify "Legally-Acquired" does this include if i purchase a cd from a friend for $1 if its the "Original" copy?

Depends. Does Canada have a "first-sale" doctrine?