We need good old fashioned communism to straighten this s***hole out. I'm all for banning mindless RPG video games, the only people who play them are just trying to pass the time until they die.

1st ammendment, I can get and play whatever I want.

Hillary go back to Arkansas we don't need you in NY, you aren't even a true New Yorker, I can't believe they elected her.

http://www.clinton.senat...s/details.cfm?id=240603

lmao...

I'd love for you to show me where the 1st amendment gives you any rights to privately produced, commercial material.

i personally have never understood wtf is wrong with people nowadays?? specifically in grand theft auto: san andreas. everyone remembers hot coffee right? i never saw the big deal. a sex scene had america in outrage?!?!?!?!?!?!?!--------WTF kind of message does that send america's youth?

look at it this wat: everyone is going to have sex. its a completely normal healthy and fundemental part of life as we know it. noone is going to go on a car stealing rampage shooting civilians, lighting people on fire, running them over etc etc.

i love GTA. im a big fan. the games are fun. but i cant see how these games are so hugely popular and deemed ok by so many when Dead Or Alive Xtreme (which is just a game about lots of boobs) gets the same M rating. let me get this strait? at the age of 17 is when its deemed ok to look at boobs and also kill people?????

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE HOW F*CKED UP SOCIETY IS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

So, I would love to work for the government as a video game tester. Does that require testing the game on each platform or just one? Now, Game Analyst would be a good title, how about Game Rating Analyst. Do I need a college degree for that or just the 15-20 years I have been playing as reference?
Ratings are still just a guide. What this says to the public is that he does not think our society can think for themselves. He's right in some cases.

Count me in. I want that kush gig.

Not to mention it wouldn't have caught the problem with GTASA. You could play that all the way through and all you'd see is violence. You had to apply a patch/crack thing to see the barbie boobs.

Video Games = Movies. Treat them the same.
And Sam, we came from apes. I hope that makes your skin crawl, you creationist pig.

"And Sam, we came from apes. I hope that makes your skin crawl, you creationist pig."

Exactly. F**k off you ignorant brainwashed repubs.

lmao...

Dude, he's pushing a Bill that was the brainchild of your precious Hilary Clinton. last I checked she was a dem.

Get a f*cking clue.

I'm not bashing the Elephants. I'm bashing the a-hole creationist zealots that wish we sent all kids to bible camp, and say that the dinosaurs were around during biblical times.

last time i checked she was also a complete moron.....

Won't deny that a bit.

(FYI: I hate the stupid b1tch)

Actually, I think they think the dinosaurs were faked by the evil scientists to weaken faith.

My God, have the mods lost their minds?

By FreeChoice

posted Feb 14, 2007 - 10:01 PM

Let's see... there is you (an obvious idiot), then there are a couple of RIAA's a** lickers... and that's about it! Wait, you are not only an idiot, you are a RIAA's a** licker too! :-)
Score: 0

That's fine? And this isn't? That must be some good crack, guys. I suppose it ain't gonna smoke itself, but could ya wait until *After* you've modded?

Sam Brownback comes from a state that teaches 'creationism' in its public schools. Maybe if people like sam did some parenting instead of letting their kids play video games endlessly, he wouldn't worry about this non-issue. Hey sam, you're a member of the dirtiest party in the history of the American Congress. Why not resign and get a real job?

Psst...Hilly worries about this non-issue to. Just sayin....

http://www.clinton.senat...s/details.cfm?id=240603

true dat!! if she is our next president im going to canada. people say bush is going in the wrong direction with this country. at least we are OK. hilly will run us into the ground!!!! goodbye sensible responsibility. goodbye any chance of not getting nuked by korea. goodbye america. it was fun. sadly its coming to an end.

I'll be with ya in spirit. But I won't be jumping ship the second the Country stops working the way I want it to. :p

I can say nothing here I haven't said before.

These twits need to focus more on their obs and less on legislating moral standards.

The government exists to balance the budget and defend the country. NOT to be parents/nannies.

"These twits need to focus more on their obs and less on legislating moral standards."
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He's doing what typical politicians do and that is to focus on attention getting issues about which little or nothing can be done nor do many want anything done about it.

There not being parents, there simply rating the game the way it is to give parents a better position to judge if the game is suitable for their child. If the parent doesn't mind there children playing M rated games then they can play it. It's simply giving the parent more options to take advantage of just like movie ratings do.

"The government exists to balance the budget and defend the country. NOT to be parents/nannies."

Very well stated!! Something it seems the majority of the public seems to forget.

And, one of my primary objections to any "rating" system is this:

I'm sure that the likes of Sam Brownback and Jerry Falwell have far different "standards of morality" than mine. The entire idea of "rating" anything is purely subjective. The ultimate decision must rest with the individual.

So lets give parents multiple choice options on how to raise their children? How about parents taking responsibility for once, and not let a video game be a sitter for their children. Or even better have an active role in their child’s life and simply teach them whats write and wrong. The government has plenty of other issues to deal with other than a video game rating system. So quit wasting our tax paying dollars trying to revamp something that isn’t a problem to begin with.

You are exactly right. Hence my comment on how it amazes me that they get elected based on this crap.

Are people really this stupid?

They talk about banning them and restricting sales. This isn't "giving parents tools", this is limiting the function of free-market "For the sake of the children".

Well its not JUST people being stupid. Look at the options we end up with at election time. Bush or Kerry...wth kind of choice is that? Just once I'd like to see a candidate who was worth a damn instead of having to vote which one sucks LESS.

Right on! It seems that too many parents want everyone to be responsible for their kids. If something might be offensive or harmful to a kid, they expect the government to ban it for everyone. Personally, I don't choose to live in a "Nick, Jr." world....I'm too old for that.

You are so right. The message is: "Parents....take responsibility for your own kids, your own moral standards and your own home." Don't try to determine my standards. I was responsible for making those decisions when my kids were young (my youngest is 36 now) and I didn't expect society to take the responsibility for doing my job.

Saw a bumper sticker during college back in the day that made the point pretty succinctly:

Why vote for the lesser of two evils
when you can vote for the Greatest of All Evils?

Cthulhu, '08

(The year has been changed due to the fact that I have no idea what election year that was and thinking back to my college days tends to give me migraines)

http://www.cthulhu.org/

indeed :)

Man that site sucks. Apparently the Elder Party needs some help in the IT department...

It's hard to get good help when you keep eating them.

lmao@the whole thing....which is not good cause I am sick as a dog and its making me cough more.

I suppose. Hire someone to work on the site...first they go insane and then they get all tasty n' stuff.

It's hard being a God.

Wellness tea, man. It's the s***.

i heard it gives you the s***s too...

Actually, that's a misnomer. It's the post-nasal drainage that gives you the s***s. Unfortunately, any product you take during that time will get the blame, since it couldn't possibly be a natural occurrence associated with the illness, I mean, you took the drugs to maker you better, not to make you s***, right? :p

hahaha if this isnt off topic......

...I don't know what is.

(Yes, we're playing the "finish my story" game now.)

He jumped off the curb, headed down the sidewalk, past numerous strangers, and into the bar...

It figures, another tree hugger and his homeopathic remedy. You're going to die no matter what crap you drink. I bet you practice Kabala and have crystals hanging from your rear view mirror.

Wellness tea.........how about a nice dry martini.

Nope.

I don't hug trees either. Well, unless it's Christmas, we're golfing, and I'm really hammered. Of course, that was more like a tackle than a hug...

I've heard of Kabela, in the news. I used to have a crystal necklace with an Ankh shaped pendant when I was in high-school. No id4ea what happened to it.

I never liked martinis, dry or otherwise. I much prefer Guinness to hard liquor.

seriously, what a bloody waste of time for something that parents, not the government should be regulating. government time could be better spent balancing the budget or fighting pollution.

Parents, largely, don't do the work anymore. Day in and day out I see more and more kids who are left to their own devices and decisions while the parents use the XBox and Tivo as babysitters. Parents spend more time driving their children from place to place than they do actually interacting with them, teaching them the family's moral stance, etc.

I believe that government intervention is too much, but at the same time I am worried by the continuing malfeasance and depraved indifference shown by an increasing number of parents. People take thei jobs and hobbies far more serious than their children and it's beginning to show. If people who took on the responsibility of procreation put parenting first, this kind of malarky wouldn't show up in government.

Yeah, I think he's battling the wrong issues. The only way to battle moral issues effectively is to change the way people think about morality, not to regulate the industry.

(please wait while I attempt to put myself in Sen. Brownback's shoes) If video game authors want to make evil video games to brainwash our children, they will continue to find ways to do so whether we change the laws or not. The solution is not in lawmaking, but in education. Campaign for parents to watch their children more closely, have school's teach kids about the "potential" dangers of violent video gaming and to seek help if they exhibit symptoms of anger problems, etc. If video games are dangerous, the suggestions above SHOULD:

1. Less sales for the 'dangerous' violent video games, and therefore

2. Video game makers will no longer make violent video games.

So the kids learn, the video game people learn, and the parents learn. Putting the burden on the government or any other entity is not only the wrong way to go about this, but it is incredibly unconservative!

(takes off Sen. Brownback's shoes) Okay, now I may not believe everything I just said, but I gave my opinion based on his way of thinking. More regulation almost always causes more moral issues--I mean, come on, can the government really regulate MORALITY?

Again there not regulating morality their not banning these games simply labeling their content. While this may not effect the child's decision on whether to play the game or not it gives the parents an idea of the content without spending hours or days screening a game by playing it themselves for every game a child wants. No matter what they rate it or if they rate it at all the game will be released.

Honestly, do you read the articles before posting your drivel?

Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas plans to reignite the Congressional movement to ban violent video games by reintroducing the Truth in Video Game Rating Act.

This will cause games to be banned, or at the very least keep stores who want to remain in business from stocking certain games.

Not only is it Government playing Mommy , it's Government working against free-market and legislating freedom of expression.

Leave the parenting to the parents.

So lets give parents multiple choice options on how to raise their children? How about parents taking responsibility for once, and not let a video game be a sitter for their children. Or even better have an active role in their child’s life and simply teach them whats write and wrong. The government has plenty of other issues to deal with other than a video game rating system. So quit wasting our tax paying dollars trying to revamp something that isn’t a problem to begin with.

are you an idiot? games are already labeled, this is about banning violent games from consumer markets.

As a "no-compromise" conservative myself (I'm sure that 90% of you will stop reading my posts now that I've said that, LMAO), I was very interested in this guy as an up-and-coming Presidential candidate--now I'm not so sure. I mean, this is a very liberal way to go about solving the problem, is it not?

Heh, who'd of thought that of all people to change my mind, that Ed Oswald potentially could indirectly affect my vote in 2008?

Scary! :)

A lot of so-called conservatives seem to be swinging more and more towards liberalism the last few months.

I gotta wonder, did the dems taking the senate throw them for *that* much of a loop?

Nah...Turns out they're just like every other politician. They have no core values and will simply spew whatever they think the public wants to hear at that time.

You can't honestly be surprised by that, can you? They just lost the senate, for pete's sake. They'll do damn near anything to "play nice", because if they don't, they're labeled as "partisan trouble-makers".

lmao...

Anyone who sticks to their core values is *by definition* partisan. I'm so sick and tired of all this "bipartisan" rhetoric. It's meaningless drivel. Each party has their own agenda and should be focusing on that...not appeasing the other party.

I generally vote rep (Shocking, isn't it?), but I am having serious trouble finding anyone to vote for. I honestly can't find one possible candidate that isn't pandering or apologizing to the dems.

No idea why *you* were modded down while that freaking puss-bag FreeChoice in the phone DRM thread can get away with calling everyone a moron and RIAA ass-lickers.

Heh... I guess they're modding in moderation.

I don't see how that will be possible. Just the shear number of hours that would be required to get through any game would prohibit just about anybody from getting a rating.

I wonder if the ESRB is mandatory or like the MPAA ratings, are available, but not required. It just turns out in the case of motion pictures, that most theatres will not show a movie that hasn't been rated, but they are not "legally" required to do it.

Who's going to pay for this testing too? The game maker is going to have to pass on the charge for someone to spend several weeks playing a game and they're not going to eat the charges, so guess who will?

"Game reviewers must have access to the entire game for their ratings to accurately reflect a game's content," Brownback said.

LOL........... He just wants to get the games before they come out, so he will have an advantage playng MOH AIRBORNE

just joking

Great. I would love to see ESRB play World of Warcraft in its entirety. Especially when the game has no ending.

Idiots.

"Great. I would love to see ESRB play World of Warcraft in its entirety."

ROFLMAO!

Use common sense 'idiot' if you sit down and play it for even a matter of hours your understanding of a game will increase substantially from simply watching a bunch of video clips the author hands you. There not saying they have to play every possible variant in a game simply play the game to understand it better.

Before you go all stupid and livid about his harmless post, take a look at the article.

The bill will require game rating groups like the ESRB to play a game in its entirety before assigning it a rating.

keywords: In it's entirety.

Thanks, have a great day.

Need ban all games for health children

children is more important than freedom

"need ban all games for health children"??

do u speak english. i wanna see a green card!

why are u in this country if the "freedom" aspect doesnt apeal to you.

these are the first steps. they want to control what you play. next its what you watch. then what you read. then they will be monitoring you to make sure you adhear. if someone doesnt stop the bullsh!t then we will just be another democratic failure.

a good saying/quote:
"if you throw a frog in boiling water it jumps out. place it in cool water then slowly heat it up the frog will burn to death."

if u went to a censored china u wouldnt stay long.

stay in america policy will gradually change and we wont see it till its too late.

anyone ever see V for Vendetta? its coming. not soon but its coming.

"hese are the first steps. they want to control what you play. next its what you watch. then what you read. then they will be monitoring you to make sure you adhear".

Yes. But we will also control their. We will live in information world and everyone will know about all.

Why do you so like computers games? I want to see children with books!!!!!!

"why are u in this country if the "freedom" aspect doesnt apeal to you".
I live in Russia :)

"do u speak english. i wanna see a green card!"

Do you think all people in world know English enough? Are you know Russian or German or France?

well as the majority of the internet is in english, you would expect that people know it i guess. more to the point this is an english speaking site primarily. not that it makes a differance, at least you are trying to speak in a language we all understand.

I speak here because my English language not so good. I wish to speak with clever people and learn English

Many people live in China and India. They learn English too... English will change :)

I hope, you understand me or my ideas.

I wish see children with books!!!!!! Do you wish see your children with Doom 3 or Postal 2? I don't understand...