What privacy - ??
What rights - ??

You ever heard of ECHOLON - - ? - ?

LMAO

Puts me in mind of nazi Germany. Our rights are just being taken away slower is all.

Kinda wonder if you can "google" the information that the DOJ wants. Wouldn't be the first time you could google search for "private" information on google, remember how you could look up just about everyone on Googles CEO

Yes, actually. As I understand it, they could have "googled"...if they wanted it to be biased.

They want real-life results, not just some idiots list of what he/she thinks might return opbjectionable results.

Keep it up Google. It is none of the government's business what I'm looking at.

I don't see how this is different than illegal NSA wiretapping, and in conflict with the 4th amendment. Unless the DOJ gets a warrant for a particular user, they should not be able to monitor internet search queries.

Welcome to the real world!

The government does this stuff all the time. Only when people hear about it do they complain.

If you don't like the United States, move out. I'm happy with it.

roflmao...

You don't see how this (no personal information given/recieved) is different from wiretapping (personal property and privacy rights infringement plainly obvious to anyone)?

Wow...whatever, you're on, pass it around, eh?

"monitor internet search queries."

Ahh...now I see why you are so badly mistaken.

They aren't monitoring queries. To monitor something requires you do it actively, while it is happening. What the DOJ is requesting is past search data, with no personally identifiable information.

See? Doesn't that make it much less frightening?

Why should we move out? That's like we're giving up. Did women move out when they weren't allowed to vote? Did black people move out when they were segerated?

NO. They FOUGHT against it.

No wonder so many Americans are so apathatic.

I've always wondered about that little piece of propoganda from people who claim to be patriots, but forget that the entire history of this coutnry was founded on people who were willing to fight for justice and freedom.

Just apathetic to every loser who whines and complains but does nothing to change it.

We've seen billions of 'em come and go. Want respect? Start something, don't just whine about it.

True, however, the part that you don't seem to understand is that this administration has a track record of slowly getting to their goal. They are old rich folks with nothing better to do.

Once they are able to subpoena the so-called non-identifying information, it opens the door for easier access to the same and additional information when simply requested.

And if you recall, Yahoo actually provided IP addresses with the information. I'd say that gives you a pretty good idea of who is searching for what.

The government needs to stop meddling in trying to raise people's kids. All of us got a good spanking if we did something wrong, nowadays you can't do that anymore -- the government is watching you.

Maybe they should poor the same energy into figuring out how the these kids are going to survive in a couple of years when they get old; no medical insurance, no pensions, no social security...but hey, at least they didn't j/o.

If a child wants to find porn he/she will. And if it happened to turn up in a search result, who cares. It's the parents' duty to educate their kids. Censorship and taboo don't educate, it just makes for a very confused and oppressed child that once set free goes either insane or wild.

We have become so ridiculous with sex and nudity; it's just laughable. A nipple from 300 yards away is a major ordeal because Super Bowl is supposed to be a family event? What a weird concept; as the participants practically beat each other for a ball (leather egg) and dozens of girls in skimpy little skirts are jumping around tits bouncing all over the place, legs up in the air...oh you get the idea.

Kids probably saw a lot more on the cheerleaders than they would have ever been able to see in the 1/3 of a second on Janet.

People didn't fight for justice or freedom. All of us are immigrants from Europe. We came here, killed off the indians and put a flag down. You call that justice and freedom?

This has nothing to do with patriotism. People seem to be very confused about that word -> it doesn't mean follow blindly and sit by idle. It's the supposed patriotism that your talking about that will be taking your freedom. Wait until it comes knocking on your door. Lets see how patriotic you'll be then.

Exactly. You saw my point.

:-D

I would add that when the founders of the United States resorted to terrorism against the brithish to get their freedom. now the terrorists are bad? also that the reason the fouinders of the United States resorted to terrorism to gain their freedom was because their rights were nonexistant (like they are now under the US Patriot laws 1 and 2), overtaxation (like the people in the us are now - 25-30 % of their pay off their paychecks, taxes on the food they eat, the clothes they wear etc at 6%-near 9%), taxes on their houses when they buy them then yearly taxes on top of that, taxes on their cars when they buy them plus every year after that, all in all totalling 40-60% of every penny they make isnt theirs.
further in a country that supposedly welcomes "the tired, the poor yadda yadda yadda as seen on the 'statue of liberty'", you have to go through a song and dance to get in and then 80% are turned away...
America, the illusionary country built on terror, threats, lies and illusion.

"True, however, the part that you don't seem to understand is that this administration has a track record of slowly getting to their goal."

Ahhh...good ol' paranoia.

Instead of looking for things they are doing NOW that undermine our basic rights, let's all jump on the bandwagon and get all obnoxious about an issue that doesn't.

Yeah, sounds like a HUGE waste of time to me, but thanks anyway.

I'd rather beat down the DMCA or the Patriot Act, than go after what some nutjobs feel might, eventually, some day, maybe, lead to errosion of our rights. The DMCA and Patriot Acts are killing them NOW.

And your comments on nudity are totally and completly irrelevant. I fail to see how tits help get your point across. You aren't by chance in Marketing, are you?

Right.

2 options:

You don't like it: Fix it.

You don't like it: Get the hell out.

Sitting around whining about it, as the parent poster of this thread seems to be doing, is deserving of a 'Get the hell out" comment.

"America, the illusionary country built on terror, threats, lies and illusion."

Hate to break it to ya, but it's real, not an illusion. :) You ain't dreaming.

tits would not be marketing, but "pimping".

"However, Google disagrees, saying it has built up a feeling of trust with its users that it's not interested in breaking."

Perhaps...when making promises and "building up good feelings", it is best to remember which country you are based in, and not make promises that you cannot keep.

This is ridiculous. They made their point, now quit wasting money and give them the info.

Dragging this out makes them look whiny and childish. Especially since the government is giving them the same line Google gave us, "It's looked at by a computer, no human eyes will see personally identifiable information."

Give it a rest already, Google, and move on.

I agree 100%

Sounds exactly like what a DOJ employee would say.

...

If you know one, feel free to introduce us.

Thanks.

I would urge the DoJ to give it a rest and move on. From reading the LA Times article today and a few others, it seems like the DoJ is trying to use that data to show that internet filters are not useful in keeping children from finding porn. My question to that is: "If they don't know who is searching, how do they know when it is children searching for Porn?"

Eaitehr way, the whole concept of the law is stupid, since experience should have shown us, by now, that neither filters nor laws will work nearly as effectively as proper parenting.

They want to see what kind of results are returned, not who looked forthem. They are looking for returns that contain material inappropriate for children, that is all.

I agree on the proper parenting aspect. 100%.

I never agreed with the DOJ's request, I just stated that Google should give it up. What is being requested is not worth the fight.

Save it for something a tad more egregious.

But if they start scanning and trying to ban anything that they deem inappropriate for children, then it will start blocking MY right to pr0n damit!

On a more serious note, i do understand what you mean, but on the principle of it, i really think someone needs to stand up to the DoJ on this one, even if it's just Google on a tenuous privacy issue. Someone needs to fight stupid laws like this.

if you read the original article on this a while ago, this isnt even a law, it was struck down by the supreme court as unconstitutional. so as usual - the bush people are using sleight of hand to circumvent the existing laws and make the illegal law a law anyhow.

the US Government gave uop the right and privelidge to dictate what can and cannot go on on the internet when they left it leave DARPA. The net is a worldwide community all it's own now thanbk you and not every country's laws are the same as the United Snake's.

But Google Resides in the United Sates, genius.

That is all.

"then it will start blocking MY right to pr0n damit!"

No, it'll give you the option of having a better filter installed to block porn from your kids^WMom.

Or make it harder for you to find on Google.

Neither of these things are bad.

They were told by the Supreme Court to return with evidence supporting their case.

It wasn't struck down, they were simply told to do their homework.

That is what they are now attempting to do.

Right, they don't want the personal information of the person doing the search, but are interested in what results were obtained in a search that (on those porn sites obtained) allowed minors to access without any attempt to keep them out(safe) from viewing the content.

I feel that is harmless in what they are looking for and only makes other people paranoid of govt spying, and that their wife or family might find out they surf porn. Big deal you surf porn. What do you think the makeup of the Internet is? %porn %other? you would be surprised.

edit: probably not you, but others would be. Whatever happened to the XXX domain game they were trying a bit ago? Did that fall through?