RSSDid the PlayStation 3 Truly Launch on Friday?
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published November 17, 2006, 4:06 PM
Certainly it was an event that merited coverage on a national scale. The top three events on morning TV news programs this morning were the Senate debates over how to proceed in Iraq, the infighting among the new Democrat majority in the House, and the lines outside electronics stores full of people waiting for a chance to purchase a Sony PlayStation 3.
But unlike a big movie premiere, where hundreds stand in line for hours knowing they definitely will get what they came for that night, prospective PS3 customers could not be assured of fulfilling their wishes. Nor, as it turned out, was everyone waiting specifically because they wanted to be the first to play the PS3. As television and newspaper sources - including the San Jose Mercury News - both discovered easily, and to their amazement, some of the first in line were bragging about how much they'd be able to reap after they turn around and hock their newly purchased wares on eBay.
As Dean Takahashi reported on the Mercury News blog, the very "first dudes" in line in front of a special launch distribution at a Sony-owned shopping complex in San Francisco consisted of a group of college students who told him their exclusive purposes for being there was, first, "notoriety" (the chance to be on the news) and to make a killing on the eBay sale of multiple PS3s. Up until that "killing" takes place, they may have time to squeeze in a game or two. (Unlike automobiles, used PS3s don't seem to instantly depreciate.)
In Houston, NBC affiliate KPRC found several more people in line, waiting for what they described as a chance to triple their investment in a few days' time. "It's not that big of a deal to wait when you're talking about making $1,500 in a night," said one.
The first fellow in line outside Sony Plaza in New York City, according to The New York Times this morning, just happened to be a day trader - a person who makes a living buying and selling stocks, and certain other investments, once they've rapidly gained value in the short term. You might think this would be an investment purchase as well. But it's probably lucky for Kaz Hirai, the CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America, and Sir Howard Stringer, CEO of Sony Corp. - whose smiling faces appear blurred against the background of their #1 customer in his Times photograph - that his immediate plans were to go home, shower, and play a game.
By mid-afternoon Friday, auction prices for the PS3 on eBay ranged as high as $3,000, with same-day guaranteed shipping. It wouldn't make any sense for anyone to pay that much and have it shipped next week.
Even the site manager of the newly-rechristened PS3News.com (formerly known as PS2NFO.com) admitted temptation. "I managed to get one of only four pre-orders from my local shop - the coveted 60GB PS3 console!" he writes. "It's VERY tempting to EBay it, however, as I purchased it today the store manager informed me that they didn't know when they would be getting more in - and it could very well be after Christmas."
That Sony will easily sell every PlayStation 3 it produces is a very safe prediction. During the early part of this year, when PS3 was first delayed, another safe prediction was that the company would only produce limited numbers during its initial run. The fact that Xbox 360's initial numbers were unexpectedly limited, and that its launch last year ended up widely perceived as botched, did little or nothing to dampen the present level of enthusiasm for that machine. So although the PS3's launch numbers are even more limited than Microsoft's, even if it goes down in history as a debacle, it probably couldn't derail enthusiasm for the machine next year - by all accounts, a magnificent machine that raises the bar on aesthetics in gaming, and also serves as the centerpiece for high-definition home entertainment.
Yet with the company having said it might only have produced 400,000 units for launch in Japan and North America today, and some analysts fearing that number could actually be as low as 150,000, one wonders if those lines of people that made the front pages of newspapers and the promo beds of newscasts might not disappear after today. At a local Best Buy store in Indianapolis, for example, where no violence took place, a line of 42 people had been assembled for reportedly over 24 hours, to receive guarantee tickets for the purchase of 28 units shipped. Many of those turned away told reporters they'd be back tomorrow.
But that Best Buy probably won't be getting another 28 units tomorrow, or the next day, or maybe even the next week - managers could not say.
In response to our story yesterday on iSuppli's PS3 teardown analysis, a reader who works at a Futureshop retail outlet told us yesterday his store was slated to receive ten units, though there were already 15 customers camped outside his store. "Of course we can't tell customers that," our reader wrote.
"To any of you planning on waiting outside Best Buy, Wal-Mart (if they didn't do preorders), Futureshop, Blockbuster, wherever," he continues, "Yes, I realize you can easily eBay it back for double the value, even triple to some very rich kid, but if there's already 15-20 people waiting there, chances are half of them aren't even getting one. Please, take my advice. Don't bother."
While Sony has publicly predicted it will sell one million PS3s worldwide before March, the company has declined to comment on whether it intends to produce one million units before that time.
Big lines have always been part of the self-promotional mechanism behind a big, new product launch, as toy manufacturer Fisher-Price proved in 1996 when it reaped back well more than it had paid to wrest the lucrative Sesame Street contract from Playskool, by engineering a tremendously successful limited launch of the "Tickle Me, Elmo" doll. Since then, big launch parties and limited supply quantities have regularly been carefully and meticulously arranged in order to drive sales through "viral marketing" - customers exciting one another into making early purchases, for fear the opportunity to meet the Christmas deadline won't come around again.
But Sony's current limitation on PS3 quantities aren't by choice; it would easily have preferred to produce far more - enough for the console to have launched in Europe this week as well as North America and Japan. If campers outside retailers stay huddled outside - even if only a few - for days on end, and sporadic violence continues here and there around the US and Canada, and eBay prices continue to soar into the stratosphere, Sony's inability to supply its customers could remain a news item well into next week, perhaps generating a kind of viral marketing meltdown.
In which case, there could possibly emerge from this episode a sort of launch party burnout, at least for the next few years, on the part of companies hoping to avoid the appearance of trying to replay a failing scenario.
It's at this point that Sony must invest more than its faith, but perhaps more effort, behind the production and distribution of something consumers have shown little of in recent years: faith itself, that the product will eventually be here, and that its ingenuity and capacity for excellence will have been worth the wait.
I thought I would post the text from DaveBG's alias over at the Blu_Ray forum.........his alias is.....Dave.
Not too god at hiding his BS posts. The time stamp on the post was 2:30PM on the 17th! About 14 hours after you could actually buy a PS3.
Here is what he posted to someones question about the sales of Blu_Ray vs HD-DVD now that the PS3 is out.
Daves BS post:
"The situation Blu-ray vs HD DVD after PS3 release:
PS3 is out in Japan and USA and here is what is the situation now:
Sells:
Blu-Ray have sold more than 85 000 players in Japan, HD DVD not more than 10 000. Blu-Ray outsells HD DVD 8:1.
Blu-Ray have sold more than 250 000 units in the USA, HD DVD have sold ~40 000. Blu-Ray outsells HD DVD 6:1.
Blu-Ray wins.
Hollywood:
Blu-Ray: 20th Century Fox; Buena Vista Home Entertainment; Electronic Arts; MGM Studios; Paramount Pictures; Sony Pictures Entertainment; The Walt Disney Company; Vivendi Universal Games; Warner Bros.
HD DVD: Buena Vista Home Entertainment; New Line Cinema; Paramount Pictures; Universal Studios; Warner Bros
Blu-Ray wins.
Companys:
Blu-Ray: Apple Computer Corp.; Dell, Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsus***a Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; Walt Disney Pictures and Television
HD DVD: Memory-Tech Corporation; NEC Corporation; Sanyo Electric Co.; Toshiba
Blu-Ray wins.
Players:
Blu-Ray: Samsung, Panasonic, Phillips, SONY (PS3). Coming soon: Pioneer, SONY, Sharp.
HD DVD: Toshiba; RCA (Toshiba). Coming soon: Toshiba
Blu-Ray wins.
Quality
The best quality you can get currently is from the Panasonic Blu-Ray player.
Blu-Ray wins.
Price:
The cheapest way to get Blu-Ray is the PS3: $499.
The cheapest way to get HD DVD is the Toshiba player: $400
Blu-Ray movies sell cheaper than HD DVD movies.
Parity.
Number of movies:
HD DVD has some 10-20 more titles available now.
HD DVD wins.
Predictions:
Most predictions say that Blu-Ray will win. Most companys believe that Blu-Ray will dominate and make more profit.
Blu-Ray wins.
Conclusion:
Blu-Ray is the way! "
Hollywood__ says:
www.thedvdwars.com tells the real story.
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|Heres some more sales figures for those really wondering whats going on..
Hey Hollywood_ some ammunition for Dave and Mark, but lol not like u need any..
nexgenwars.com
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|LOL, nice try, but the numbers are fake..
268,311 PS3's sold. Now we know that the number is closer to 420,000
If those numbers are fake, then so are the others..
It's a cheap stunt by a lame Xbox fanboy, and very sad at that...
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|Lol.. it is common knowledge that the PS3 released less than 400k units to the US. Every single analyst has said so. heres a link.
http://www.joystiq.com/2...-production-goals-again/
Most analyst now believe that the actual numbers are actually half of the promised 400k units to the US.. So that would confirm the numbers supplied by nexgenwars.com
K thanks.
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|Oh and incase u dont believe Joystiq, heres the link to the original story straight from the Horses mouth(Bloomberg).
http://www.bloomberg.com...01&sid=acYmICIySKBw
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|I'll explain for the idiots amongst us.
330,000 units to the US
88,000 units to Japan
2,000 units to HK/Taiwan
= 420,000
They are using GLOBAL numbers for the Xbox sales, so it's only fair to use the same global numbers for PS3 and WII sales.
if you want to juggle numbers, Xbox360 has s***ed 20,000 units a day, on average since launch, PS3 has s***ed 60,000!!!
As anyone knows, statistics can be twisted to show whatever you want...
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|You are incorrect there Mark. But hey ill spell it out to you.
From the article by bloomberg.
SooAnn Roberts. She predicts Sony will ship no more than 200,000 units to the U.S. this year.
Savner said in a Nov. 7 report that Sony would miss its target. Gikas said in a Nov. 16 note that he expected 200,000 PlayStation 3s available at the U.S. launch and 400,000 by year- end.
Oh as far as your Taiwan numbers its pretty wrong..
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/15/ps3_allocation/
Taiwan had a 500 unity allocation.
Oh and Hong Kong?
http://www.kotaku.com/ga...well-sort-of-215436.php
I didnt know that 500 + 200 = 2000.. Thats some good math there buddy
oh and btw nexgenwars.com are estimates of worldwide number of consoles SOLD.
So given that fact..
88,000 PS3 sold in japan
700 between HK/Taiwan
= 88,700 consoles.
269644 posted on genwars as the PS3 total worldwide
So it would say acording that source that 180944 were sold in the US. Which doesnt seem so unlikely at all given the fact that Analysts have been saying the past few days that the PS3 launch in the US was probably less than half the projected 400k units.
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|Thanks Jedite,
I do my best damn it!
p.s. The PS3 is a pretty nice gaming console, no problems to report in the short time I have actually spent playing it.
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|Jedite,
You are my new hero.
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|Let's not be naive as to why most of the studios support Blu-Ray Disc. The hardware content protection feature was a great selling point to them. Here's a problem: where are the players?!? Isn't Blu-Ray's inclusion into the PS3 the reason it's so expensive in the first place? You cannot gain product loyalty by cramming it down people's throats. Plus, without that special coating on it, your disc is stratched even with a hairline and it's done. When Blockbuster and Hollywood Video start carrying them for rental, good luck watching one after the first week or so because the coating will be gone, then the disc will be toast.
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|Have fun Hollywood :)
http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1
Most people dont know what is hd dvd or Blu-Ray, they dont care!
Most people trust their favorite brands.
And here comes Blu-Ray: http://www.blu-ray.com/images/bdsupport.gif
Who will win? Say it :)
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|Linking to another fanboy's post is great and all, but the sales figures and not someone's wishful thinking show different.
Actually, the "Dave" who posted that is you. Sorry dude. I'm a little smarter than you think. You sir are getting really desperate, that $1000.00 BD player you bought must be really getting to you. I know you have buyers remorse and the only thing that makes you feel better is posting garbage in other forums and linking to it here, expecting people to read it and take it as fact.
You could have at least picked a different name at the BD forum.
Everyone check out "Dave's" post and some of the other ones at Blu-Ray, it's the same idiot as DaveBG.
You posted this on the 17th, the same day PS3 was released, then edited it for some reason before you linked it here. Please explain how you gut these figures so fast, are you related to Nostradamus?
http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1
I own a BD player, if you want to call it that. And I will never purchase a BD movie. It's a game system, nothing more. By the way, Madden 07 looks pretty damn sweet. I've never seen it on the 360, but I will give an honest comparison.
www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
You sir are turning into Mark Gillespie
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|Linking to another forum? Let alone a post by you? Come on, that's pretty pathetic. Give us some real web sites with facts, not forums with just people's opinions.
"Most people dont know what is hd dvd or Blu-Ray, they dont care!"
If they know what a DVD is, I bet you they could figure out what HD-DVD stands for. But your right about most people not knowing what Blue-Ray is and not caring.
"Who will win? Say it :)"
HD-DVD. I have facts to back that up too (the sales figures from www.thedvdwars.com), unlike some people.
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|Here are the facts:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prn...61120/nym001.html?.v=62
Also with the PS3 Blu-Ray outsells hd dvd 10:1 :)
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|http://home.businesswire...0005180&newsLang=en
Have a nice read :)
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|Do you have any factual information to support your claim of a 10:1 sales ratio in favor of Blu-ray?
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|Yes. The Playstation3 has 8 times more units sold than the Toshiba. The rest "2" are from Samsung, Panasonic, and the Phillips players :)
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|...now if you could just get those gamers to buy some movies.
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|You can't really call the PS3 a Blue-Ray Movie player in the aspect that not everybody that buys one will watch movies on it. Everybody that buys the specific Blue-Ray and HD-DVD players will watch movies on them.
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|And what was the point of that article. It just explains what blue-ray is. That doesn't have any blue-ray or hd-dvd sales figures in it.
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|Look....FIGHT!
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|Theres no FIGHT, Dave has no idea what he is up against when he tries to outsmart someone with a 400 IQ.
I went to high school for 7 years.....I'm no dummy
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|Amazon is completely sold out of HD-DVD add on's for the 360. They're all gone! The news gets worse for Sony, the Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, and Target stores by me are all out of 360's. There was even a story on Fox News about the XBOX drought.
I bet the Blu-Ray camp is not too happy about that since BD movie sales haven't budged since the PS3 release but everybody who is buying the HD-DVD add on are also buying HD-DVD movies.
The PS3 has turned into a complete joke because nobody actually wants one to play games. It's just an eBay money making fiasco.
Sony isnt too happy that nobody is actually covering news stories about the gameplay, just the eBay stories and people waiting in line talking about selling them on eBay.
I did see one story about Ridge Racer, the graphics are very glitchy in certain parts of the game. They showed some screen shots, but they don't know if it's the software or the player. Other people were reporting similar problems with RR on the PS3.
Sorry Mark and Dave, your dreams of the PS3 saving Blu-Ray are probably not going to happen, since the consoles are just changing hands to the next highest bidder. They say the game to console sales ratio is right around 0.94 and the Blu-Ray movie to console ratio is 0.02 which means about 2 out of every 100 PS3's sold left with a BD movie.
I guess you will be getting that HD-DVD player after all. Sony is already considering changing the name of the console to BS3.
www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
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|You sound more miserable and desperate even than before :)
The point is that we can live without Universal and Toshiba but can you live without SONY, Panasonic, Phillips, Sharp, Fox, Disney, ... just everyone from the BD association?
Boycott Universal i say :)
http://www.playb3yond.com/
http://foxbd.com/
http://www.disneybluray.com/
http://forum.blu-ray.com/
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/
http://www.learningcente...s/hpd/bluray/index.html
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|As you list BD propaganda sites, I list factual sales data.
The sad part is I am the "proud" owner of a PS3 and BD player. If there is a movie I really like that comes out for both formats, I will always choose the HD-DVD version. I won't replace my existing DVD's with either format.
The PS3 is for games only, but if Cars ever comes out on BD, I will buy it. By that time, Disney should realize they have another Divx fiasco on their hands and offer it on HD-DVD.
Don't you think Disney would have released Cars on BD at the same time as the standard DVD release if they truly thought the format was going to survive? There's a really good reason why they didn't, if you were smart, you would have figured it out by now.
What really sucks is I cant get a 360/HD-DVD combo because all the stores sold out.....let the profiteering on eBay begin.
Dont forget to visit www.thedvdwars.com or www.gamesystemwars.com
You can see real world data about the format wars and console wars. DaveBG and Mark don't like it because it's true and doesn't jive with his opinions.
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|Picking a Winner
If one format wins, a number of experts predict it will be Blu-ray due to its higher number of manufacturing and content partners.
Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler said in a research note on October 5, 2006, that Blu-ray will win out because it has more support, with over 100 manufacturers compared to HD-DVD's 10. According to Schadler, Dell, Apple and Sony will ship PCs with Blu-ray drives. HD-DVD has Toshiba in the PC fold. "This deeper support will translate into a broader assortment of products, more retail shelf space and a bigger marketing budget," he said, adding that the Playstation 3 will also make inroads for Blu-ray.
http://forum.ecoustics.c...sages/34579/290652.html
Its not because you like it or not. Its because your fanboy sites cost zero towards the truth.
BTW i can make better fanboy site :)
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|And your using a forum for your place where anyone can post articals?
Just because Blue-Ray has more companies doesn't mean they'll win. It's the customers that chooses.
I'd rather look at the facts like on www.thedvdwars.com which has the sales rank of both formats; HD-DVD is about 4 times higher. It looks like HD-DVD is outselling Blue-Ray, and that's a fact, not just an artical some random guy posted saying what he thinks might happen.
And I think people buy game consoles for... games, not movies. So I think the PS3 might help Blue Ray slightly but not much, that's if it does well.
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|It might help if you spelt "Blu-ray" properly.
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|Its not a forum pal, its what Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler said in a research note on October 5, 2006.
And this is from the HD DVD lair! This is the forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=752721
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|avs forums is not the lair of hddvd. It is a forum devoted to high end audio video equipement that includes both blueray and hdddvd. It just so happens that more videophiles perfer hddvd to blueray due to the better coding and more affordable equipment.
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|Yeah... analysts are never wrong.
The only thing that matters is which format the consumer buys... the rest is speculation. Right now HD DVD is outselling Blu-ray, but given the fact that most of the PS3's are still bouncing from owner to owner, it has probably had little impact yet. Once the end user gets their hands on the PS3 sales should increase, then we will have an idea.
Oh, before I forget... get a life Dave, right or wrong you seem desperate with your feeble arguments and posting links to promotional sites.
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|Two things, I'm suspecting the "Dave" who posted that in the BD forums is you. It sounds like your kind of unrealistic optimism.
Secondly, Circuit City also said Divx would win out back in 1998. Less than one year later they were issuing rebates to the suckers who bought into their scam.
Come and see me after the holidays, the sales figures will tell the story. As you can see, right now BD isn't even close to HD-DVD in movie sales. You know, the thing that actually generates revenue for either format.
I don't care how many "players" are floating around because of the PS3. I'll have both formats covered anyways. The good news is if BD tanks, I still have a game system.
If HD-DVD tanks *not likely*, all I will have invested is 200 dollars and another game system. I want the flexibility to buy any game or movie I please.
Plus I like to blow money on toys. My wife is about to shoot me. She thinks I got the PS3 as a bonus or some crap. As soon as I can get my grubby hands on the 360 / HD-DVD combo, I'll be all set.
Dave, please produce some hard figures for your BD vs HD-DVD movie sales claims and I will shut my mouth. I know there are a lot of BD players due to PS3, but the HD-DVD add on is sold out too.
And linking to your own post in other forums and presenting it as fact is downright desperate. You should go back and punch that Best Buy employee in the mouth who sold you that already outdated BD hardware. Every time I go in there and ask about HD-DVD, they immediately push me over to the Blu_ray demo, where I tear it apart and ask them questions they dont know the answers to.
The early adopters who blew the big money on a new format are always the biggest fanboys.
www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
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|Dont forget, he links to his own posts in other forums, claiming Blu-Ray the winner.......the same day the PS3 was released.
heres the sad, sad link.
http://forum.blu-ray.com...p=29442&postcount=1
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|He types so fast because he can't get his misinformation out there fast enough.
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|Could you please tell me what the word is after the http://. Oh look, it says forum. And then when you click on the link, what section is highlighted. Oh great, it says forum again. But then you go on to start reading the post it says this "Posted by Admin on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 12:19 am:", of course that couldn't mean it's a forum.
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|Anyhone who would camp out for days, bid $5000.00 or would beat the crap out of anyone to get a stupid game box needs to get a real life.
What kind of sicko is so addicted to playing games that they would go through this garbage to be the first when inside of 90 days there will be plenty of these boxes, cheaper and darn near everywhere?
Geeeze! Grow the hell up already!
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|You should have noticed that they want to ebay it to making a killing.
That is the point and before they sell it they play.
(Unlike automobiles, used PS3s don't seem to instantly depreciate.)
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|The number of non paying bidders and sellers re-listing their PS3's because they didn't get as much as they want is hilarious.
Everybody who paid the very high prices are going back and bidding on lower priced systems as of yesterday and today as the $3000.00+ premium prices have dropped to about $1200 for the 60GB and 850 or so on the 20GB. The cheapest I have seen is $680 for a 20GB and $870 for the 60GB.
I think about 1 percent of all the systems are actually being opened and played.
The sad part is even if you paid $1000.00 for a PS3, you are still getting it cheaper than a standard BD player at the stores.
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|I understanding the desire for people to have the latest, greatest, but buying the first offering of a product can be a mistake. When PS2 first came out, many units were returned (speaking as one person who experienced this). I'm guessing there will be many PS3s that will be returned as well. With a little patience, the "improved" version of PS3 will be well worth the wait. Meanwhile Sony is still working with SOME backwards compatibility issues. This is not picking on Sony. PS3 and XBOX 360 both have excellent offerings. Never buy the first year's new of a car, never install the first version of a new OS (unless it's non-production), etc. Let someone else go through the frustrations of returning the first release of PS3. Be patient. By May of next year the kinks will be worked out and you should be much happier with your purchase. As an aside, it will take the software manufacturers at least this long, if not longer, to release products capable of taking advantage of the new technology. So relax and enjoy the holidays!
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|Yes...I agree with you, its too CRAZY!! sales for sure are going crazy on ebay and I will feel very bad for them suckas if they paid that much money for the system and if something happens. Anyway, I want one too but I still have some patience left for the craze lol.
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|I just went to Bust Buy (6:00pm) and people are still sitting there in the cold. Crazy people.
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|Except now they are waiting for a Wii, right? And I bet it will be a lot easier to get one.
With very little effort, I picked up a 360 on Dec 22nd last year. I just paid attention, stopped at a few stores from time to time and lucked out.
Morepeople should realize they can actually just wait a little over a month and still get it.
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|Yeah, I guess your right. At first I did think they were still waiting for a PS3 to maybe ship the next day.
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|Think about for a secong Sony is offering you a top notch gaming system for $600 and a Blueray dvd player which would cost you $1000 dollars right now just for the dvd player alone. Plus who wants to play Halo anyways when you can play Killzone.
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|Because I don't buy dvd's as it is and I can save $200 to play basically the same games. Gears of Wars looks awsome.
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|Top notch? Its equal to the 360, but a year late. Plus 360 has lots of titles for it.
Oh and 360 also has awesome online game play. PS3's online system still needs a lot of work.
But since you appear to be a Sony Fanboy, I'm sure everything above came out all blurry.
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|Wow I did not expect this kind of reaction to take place for the PS3 Launch.
Josh Chandler
www.techilious.wordpress.com
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|More bad news for Sony.
I saw on amazon.com that you can get the Xbox 360 Core for only $100 around the Thanksgiving holiday (Nov. 16 though Nov. 23).
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|only 1000 available
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|I think the fact that you can walk in to any store and pick up a 360 is probably even worse for them.
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|The madness is officially over. You can get a PS3 on eBay today between 725 and 1000 dollars.
Still a lot of money to pay but at least it's not $3000.000
I will bet a lot of the suckers from yesterday end up not paying for their auctions. Some idiot paid 6,600.00 dollars last night and another just got one at $725.00 today.
Hilarious! Even better is the people are pating 300 dollars more for the 60G vs. the 20G, you can pick up a 300G hard drive at Tiger Direct this week for 79 dollars if you use the rebate.
I read an anrticle about the PS3, you can slip any SATA hard drive into the console, there is no screwing around like the 360. If people would just do a little reading they could save a lot of time and money.
I predict they will be no more than 700 bucks on eBay by the end of the week. The people who put theirs up right away made out. There are a million "Buy it Now's" at 2000 dolars that nobody is touching.
The supply has caught up, there is 1 auction ending every second and they are back within reasonable prices.
I bet the people from yesterday who paid 3000+ have heap big buyers remorse.
www.thedvdwars.com
www.gamesystemwars.com
Oh, and it's official, HD-DVD is outselling Blu_Ray 11 to 1 in movie titles, it's almost the same with the players as well, but more like 10 to 1, which makes sense.
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|I wish i was F2F with you to show you what is official :)
You are talking crap, thats what is official for now!
If dont like Blu-Ray DONT USE IT! Its that simple!
Just grab a crap addon or Toshiba and SHUT UP!
The Blu-Ray fans have a lot of hardware and software to choose from all big companys worldwide so stop showing of your fanboy waste-sites.
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|It's official.
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|The madness is over? Any one stupid enough to pay more than the retail price for a game console so they can say the own one, or to play the new games is in serious need of a REAL life. Bunch of a** hats if you ask me.
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|All right you have a point. The extreme madness is over. You are right, most people want one just to show off.
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|"If dont like Blu-Ray DONT USE IT!"
It looks like that's what everyone is doing. I don't blame them, since Blue-Ray players cost about double the price of the HD-DVD. I'd rather spend that money on the movies myself.
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|Yes.. the glitchy samsung player with overly soft video($1,000 for that one)/$1200 for the panasonic one(a good player)/the yet again postponed sony($1000) one till the 24th of december? and the postponed pioneer($1500) one till spring. Yes lots of blueray hardware to choose from. And downright affordable to for early adoptors. Along with superior video, oh wait thats hddvd.
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|i just wish there was an internal blu-ray burner available for a pc, they would be great for backups.
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|Really? A lot of harware? One player and a game system?
A lot of software, 101 titles? Sorry, I'll use my PS3 for Madden 07, not watching Will Farrell movies.
You are right, I'm convinced. The CAPS in your post are showing your frustration. You are also using borderline profanity.
You also continue to call a site that shows real time sales figures a "fanboy" site yet you can't produce one that backs up your claims of BD domination.
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|This is crazy. It is a game!!! I cannot believe that it has gone this far. But the worst story I heard was on Yahoo news about a women who was 5 months pregnant standing in line for her husband who, by the way was not there with her.
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|man u got no idea if she was waiting to buy it as a christmas gift, lol, or if he told her to wait, or if he was even able to walk or stand there with her. dont assume u make urself look weak.
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|"By mid-afternoon Friday, auction prices for the PS3 on eBay ranged as high as $3,000, with same-day guaranteed shipping."
I heard $9000 :D
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|I would spend $3000 on Scotch and "women" in Las Vegas. Not on some silly toy.
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|Here here, when do we go? I just have to let my wife know.
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|why do you guys hate sony?
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|Because they are arrogant, make sucky products.
Yet, their market has been not bad, so they still make a lot of money.
It's like having a Microsoft, except who's even more arrogant.
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|It's not Sony so much as all the sodding Fanboys.
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|Sony makes one good product. Camcorders. They seem to take any abuse I can dish out and keep working perfectly.
Other than that, I really can't stand them. All of my PS1's and 2's have crapped out eventully.
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|Yeah, there camcorders are pretty good. But I normally like Panasonics better. There cheaper and seem to have decent features too. My dad had his for over 15 years and it's still alive and kicking. It was about a $1,500 one though too. It was one that profetionals would have used... like reporters on the News channel would have.
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|no offence, but i have had a ps1 and ps2, beaten to death with many many games, never a dvd tho, and never an issue, sept with a gamshark cd v1.3, wich was to this day the only disc read error i have ever seen on mine, or any of my friends, could have been luck, could have been how well it was kept who knows, could have been the discs u were using.
i also have a sony projection tv, was cheaper, and out perforums and has way more hookups for any input/output then any tvs for the same price range i have seen since i bought my tv in febuary.
but i can say the same for other companys, its personal preference, and anyone can like sometihng no one else does, but theres also alot of ppl out there that like things because they are told to.
so im going to stick with what tickles my fancy, and thats that :P
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|I think many people probably don't hate them.
I myself have nothing against them - I just hate their attempt at the next gen console. PS3 is so comparable to 360 and a year late to the market that its embarrasing. At least the Xbox had some decent improvements over PS2, but PS3 really doesn't offer much more.
I am disappointed in Sony. If they actually focused on a kick a** gaming system and not a bluray trojan horse, then maybe they could have had some innovation that others might want to copy. Instead, they copied everything else thats already been done.
Competition is good and I'm upset at Sony for not providing decent competition. And they are very arrogant.
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|I dont dislike sony. I dislike the fact they are trying to foce their high definiton movie format on us. The hddvd camp has been willing to talk and to try to get a unified format. But sony has refused and forced several manufactures (LG and Samsung) from building dual use hddvd/blueray players which they both announced 4+ months ago. Now just imagine the superior storage of the blueray disc with the superior video codec of the hddvd. That would be nice. But alas sony tries betamax2.
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|I'm telling you, my PS1's and PS2 consoles never got dropped, knocked over, anything. I take very good care of my gear.
There were so many consoles taking a crap at one point and everybody seemed to have the same problems. You are extremely lucky if your first gen PS1 or PS2 are still working.
I don't know a lot about Sony TV's, their CRT's were always nice, but expensive. You get what you pay for with TV's.
Their car audio, is absolutely horrible Best Buy garbage. Not only does it sound bad because they are too lazy to make products for the American market, it's just pathetic when you crack their amplifiers open and look inside.
They produce all of their car audio for Japanese music, which doesn't contain the obnoxious bass our music does, and re badge it with English text to pawn off over here as "high end" car audio.
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|My office is next to a Wal-Mart and down the street from a Best Buy. It was sad watching those idiots laying around like Grateful Dead-head fans (only in drab clothing) in the rain and wind (we had a major storm blow through) and wipe out some of their tents. The funniest was a guy who bought his and then got robbed in the parking lot heading back to his van.
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|Yeah that's real hilarious. You must be American.
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|Of course, it has yet to launch in EU...the least significant of markets :p.
Latz, SB
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|I guess a market with more than twice the number of Merkins and also where the best games software houses are is insignificant.
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|"more than twice the number of Merkins"
Actually, no.
EU: 450 million
US: 300 million
The EU population is older than the US population, so the US is a better market for a gaming console.
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|profit from ebay anyone ???
http://www.youtube.com/v/4CTy7Nx0oPI
these 2 guys sure know how .... lol
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|I heard the same thing, Best Buy was giving coupons to the unlucky people, which was everybody after number 20, for XBOX360 discounts, free games etc....
They cleaned up on 360 sales this weekend, the aisle is empty and the need to re-order.
By the way, where's Gillespie and DaveBG?
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|ebay
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|Only your word on that, over here, nobody is buying XBox360, and waiting for PS3, the shelves are full...
You seem to have twisted the story, as the reports I read in the paper about giving out the discounted XBox360+game coupon, nobody in line wanted one!!!
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|At least that what you wish. To bad you can't prove that.
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|lol ok, if your not there then how do you know thats not true?
plz dont judge lol.
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|Could that be because PS3 hasn't launched there yet?
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|"Only your word on that, over here, nobody is buying XBox360, and waiting for PS3, the shelves are full..."
Where do you live? Fantasyland?
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|OK wow... I just got off the phone with a co-worker and here's the stats for our store's PS3 launch:
PS3's sold: 10
Xbox 360's sold: 75...!!!!!!!!!
75! That's amazing... That's just pure craziness.
We had a fresh stock, I believe of a few hundred xbox 360 holiday bundles on our online store... I just checked 2 hours ago and we were already out of stock.
Good lord!
And people won't stop calling about the bloody Wii! Gah!
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|Not surprising. I expect those waiting for PS3 who didn't get one decided to get a XBox360 instead as they were available and said punter wanted Nextgen for Xmas, realising that it'll probably be late 2007 before they can get a PS3.
As they already had twice the amount of $$$ in their greasy palms that they needed to buy a 360, it would have been a no brainer.
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|Yeah well especially since the holliday bundle was a complete steal. 50 bucks off the premium which comes with Xbox Live Arcade and GRAW free, but as a another free bonus ridge racer 6 and gears of war (special promotional copy, not for resale).
Needless to say those sold like hotcakes. We only had 30 copies of the free gears of war, then we offered a free Gun or The Outfit, those sold too.
Then RR6 was gone. People still kept coming in just because of the 2 free games included and the 50 dollars off.
So yeah you're right, people would be stupid not to choose it instead. Especially considering how many games are for the X360 now. You really can't lose.
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|Don't think so, they have had all year to get a XBox360, if they wanted one. Just because they don't get a launch PS3, anyone buys 2nd best, when new stock are being flown in, in 2 weeks is crazy..
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|I'd agree, the biggest winner was Microsoft.. with several retailers offering special deals to those who missed out on the PS3.. I'm willing to be a lot of gamers took the plunge..
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|People are buying them mostly for gifts, not because they want one. And once they realized they won't be able to get the PS3 for a gift, the go to the next best one... either the 360 or Wii.
Talk about trying to twist things.
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|Two weeks you say? Dream on. There will be a severe shortage of the console for many, many months to come. Do you honestly believe the Americas and Japan will be getting plenty more of them, considering they can't even launch the console at all in Europe and Australia?
People may have had all year to buy a 360, but many were hoping to grab PS3 at launch, and of course had no such luck. The main reason people were tripping over each other trying to get one is because the PS3 was the most hyped up (and delayed) console in history. I'm sure if I developed some new high tech turd and kept making big announcement about it, while delaying it for months on end, there would be hundreds of people lining up to buy one once it was released.
Just because a small percentage of hardcore Sony fans are willing to wait YET ANOTHER YEAR for wide availability, doesn't mean the majority of those who wanted a PS3 will wait too. Once the Sony zealots have their fill and the holidays are over, expect sales of the console to drop drastically. Oh wait, that would only be a realistic prediction if they actually had consoles to sell.
Most people are not hardcore Sony fans and already realized that 95% of the games coming out for the next generation consoles will be on both the PS3 and 360. It's a no brainer. Why wait for a PS3 when you can buy a cheaper console now and get all the same games? Not everyone's willing to swallow all the BS Sony is shoving down our throats. The days when Sony had many highly desirable exclusive titles are long gone. Even their (un)official mascot, Crash Bandicoot has been whoring itself on every console.
PS. - Read the latest Maddox for a good laugh. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/
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|thats a big gash in the ps3 market share lol, meaning if say only 1/3 of the ppl that get xbox 360s, are happy with them and decide that they dont want a ps3 anymore, they have lost a bigger market share then they have sold in the end.
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|"Sony fans and already realized that 95% of the games coming out for the next generation consoles will be on both the PS3 and 360"
But they will look better on PS3. Like you said most titles appear on both consoles, so in a few months time, you will be seeing 25GB/50GB (BD-ROM) titles on PS3, with the same games on XBox360 with 9GB (DVD).
I will enjoy the rants from upset xbox fanboys when the 360 games have less levels, and lower quality textures because the ports have to lose something to fit on the 9GB discs for the 360...
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|Um.. how are the titles that are on both consoles now looking on PS3 vs the 360? Everything I have heard says they look worse.
Why are you so focused on Sony? I've payed attention to both and am very happy I bought a 360 last year. Maybe you should check it out.
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|I love how you picked one specific thing out of everything I said; the capacity of the media. So I'll assume you agree that everything else I said was making a valid point. Now, I'd love to hear you name a single game that's going to need 50GB of storage. Or even 25GB for that matter. I don't mean a game where Sony puts a bunch of extra junk on the disc (like they're doing with the movie Click! by putting uncompressed PCM on there) to make it look like having 50GB space matters.
Don't assume bigger is better. I've been around long enough to know that the size of a game has absolutely no bearing on how fun the game actually is. So just because a Sony fanboy like yourself is staining his pantaloons over the prospects of some crappy game taking up 50GB, most people don't care. They only care about one thing; whether the game is fun or not.
That being said, even if a really good game happens to come along that needs an enormous amount of storage (highly unlikely), what's stopping them from releasing it on multiple discs? It's never been a problem in the past and printing media is dirt cheap now. You're just using typical Sony fanboy mantality. Sony 25/50GB = Good. Microsoft 9GB = Bad. If the game sucks (95% of them do) it doesn't matter if it's 5GB or 500GB. Let me guess, next you're going to argue that your fat a** is too lazy to get off the couch and change the disc, right?
This one's for you mshulman, check it out.
http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/11/compare.jpg
Notice the lower quality on the right? But I'm sure having extra space on the discs will fix that problem, right Mark? Hahahahaha.
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|There is only 1 title on PS3 that is also available on Xbox360, Tony Hawks, and it's a port, so will look crap.
XBox360 is now on Gen2 games, PS3 is on Gen1, so you should compare Resistance:FOM to a Xbox360 launch title to get a true and accurate representation of the PS3 capabilities.
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|Sony should just sell the Playstation 3 on ebay, that why they would actually make a profit, instead of losing money.
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|hahHHAHA nice dude that's so true
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|OUCH!!!
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html
"the system downshifted all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i"
I'm sure issues will be fixed, but its contraditory to Sonys launch claims.
No 1080i :'(
And Marky, dont post anything about PS3 being meant for 1080p, because most people don't have 1080p.
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|Nobody "has" 1080p, new tv's can accept a 1080p/24 input but since it's not a broadcast standard, it gets converted to 1080i/30 on all TV's. No exceptions. Besides, you would see a pretty bad flicker at 24Hz.
1080p means nothing unless it's at 48Hz, which doesn't exist due to bandwidth.
So don't let anyone tell you a TV displays 1080p because it just isn't so.
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|new hd tv's have a resolution of 1920x1080.
that means, if the ps3 can output 1080p, the tv will display it in 1080p.
why would a game created for the ps3 put out 1080p/24?
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|Actually so far none of the titles we have on shelf for the PS3 are 1080p. I saw one that was 1080i but the rest were mostly 720p/480i.
But also to answer your question: It's all about marketting.
By the way, you know the 360 is also 1080p now, right? Not that I would care of course. I wouldn't buy a 1080p HDTV for years yet.
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|Again, no TV can actually display 1080p/24 since it's not a broadcast standard.
1080p is only transmitted at 24Hz or 48Hz, neither of which any TV can actually display as of now. There is no 1080p/30fps. If there was, todays sets could show it with no problem.
ALL 1080p signals coming in are converted to 1080i period. The 1080p myth is great because it sells TV, next gen DVD players and game consoles but it means nothing.
Your 1920 x 1080 display can only show 1080i/30, not actual 1080p. That's why a good 1080i signal looks better than a 1080p, there is no conversion, th TV can actually display the 1080i as is on the screen.
You need to read about HDTV signals.
The 1080p "upgrade" for the 360 is pointless, they are only appeasing the people who don't know how HD signals are displayed.
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|???
you daft?
1080p=1920x1080:
that means theres 1920 pixels from left to right and 1080 pixels from top to bottom. 2.07 million pixels total. if you don't have a 1080p tv, you will not see all 2 million pixels in a 1080p broadcast.
logic would assume sony will use 1920x1080@60hz to display the full resolution of the ps3 for games.
we can only hope movie studios move to a more compatible format in the future.
for your information, DVD movies have the same issue with frame rates. ever heard of 3:2 pulldown?
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|Because your obviously an idiot, i'll explain...
If you have a TV Which does not do 720P (virtually non-existent in Europe), then it will downscale to 480p rather than upscale to 1080i
So this is ONLY an issue if you have a TV that does 1080i but not 720p, and this is mainly CRT HD sets (which are not really HD, as CRT by nature is analog, so no HDMI, and no HDMI means not HD-Ready logo complaince)
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|Do more research Hollywood. Nice FUD though.
First, you would NOT see pretty bad flicker at 24Hz. In fact, Star Wars attack of the clones was filmed entirely at 1080p24. Odd, considering how blown up on a movie screen (with 1080p projectors), I don't recall anyone complaining of flicker.
Secondly, 1080p TV's deinterlace 1080i to 1080p, not the other way around, especially if it's a LCD/Plasma TV. The entire picture needs to be redrawn on every refresh, not half of it as would be with 1080i. In fact cinematic film that has been converted from 1080p to 1080i for transmission can be easily (trivial) be covertted back into a TRUE 1080p again in most cases.
Lastly, thanks for playing, but I have a 1080p screen, and it works very well thank you. In fact, I have my computer hooked up to it displaying 1920x1200 (It's native resolution), and it looks great. The DVI/HDMI cable is capable of supporting this resolution just fine.
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|You sir need to read about HDTV.
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|stop talking about this hdready thing. its a european sticker that goes on tv's and has no relevance in the us. Hdtv is broadcast in either hdtv format of 1080i or 720p. And no its not mainly crt. Plasma and dlps have been made in those formats as well. You keep talking about things you apparently dont know about. 1080i is one of the 2 hdtv broadcast standards that sony apparently chose to ignore or due to rushing was forced to skip till later like the audio problem through hdmi in games.
Of course in europe its different like when your ps3 will be released there until sony is forced to push it back to make more for the us and asian markets to next xmas season due to their slow apparently ever slow production process.
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|More factual than plague201's claims, as he says the PS3 does not do 1080i.
1/ the PS2 already does 1080i
2/ the PS3 does 1080i if the game supports it
3/ the PS3 does 1080p if the game supports it.
4. the PS3 does 720p if the TV supports it (if not, it will downscale to 480p, rather than upscale to 1080i).
So this is only a issue, if you have a set that does 1080i, but not 720p. Very different to "PS3 does not do 1080i".
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|But then again, how many PS3 games support 1080p? Can you find any?
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|Blast Factor supports 1080p, costs $7 to download.
Now shut up and go away..
And Microsoft can, as they said PS3 will also never have 1080p games...
http://www.joystiq.com/2...be-basically-impossible/
Both of you proved wrong....
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|neither one will do 1080p in gameplay. their video hardware wont be able to push it with good framerates and all the eye candy turned on. Its purely marketing on both sides about that. The only true 1080p they will be able to do is for movie playback or video downloads from xbox live.
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|(Yawn) Like usual, you have nothing to back-up your claims. Get real you troll.
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|Sorry, your plain wrong. Blast Factor is in-game 1080p. Microsoft have lied to you (again)...
Blast Factor brings together "old school" and "new school" arcade action. Supporting true High Definition (HD) at full 1080p and taking advantage of the PS3 system's advanced processing power, Blast Factor delivers a visually stunning experience as gamers work their way through each specimen, cell by cell exploring an all-new world and gameplay experience.
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|im not talking about some crappy download game. Im talking about real games in which the graphics engine akes power to push. Games like grand turismo/ridge racer or fps games(somethign running on q3 or ut2007 engines). Im talking about games that count. Not s***ty arcade download ones that dont look like much and you acclaim 1080p majesty, but the blockbuster games that make the console are not.
Its 1080p with few polygons and not much lighting so its simple to make a crappy game run at 1080p. RFOM/Grand Tursimo should be 1080p to show off the system. The reason they arent 1080p is because the system cant push a real game at that level with the quality settings turned on.
The only reaason that game is 1080p is because its so simple and to get people to drop 8-10 bucks down on in. Now enjoy reading about the ps3 here in the us and asia and wait for yours like every other european. That is untll your release date gets push back again.
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|"neither one will do 1080p in gameplay."
Wrong...
Microsoft: ""I think 1080p, just to address that directly, will be basically impossible."
Wrong....
PS3 games can only be played on the system they were bought for, (talking about the Sony patent).
Wrong.....
The list is endless..
How many times do people have to listen to Microsoft lies, and fanboy talk before they realise it's just FUD?
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|how is mine fanboy talk? the xbox360 has a better gpu and it wont do real 1080p games like the ps3 wont. and dont spout some random pseudo wannabe arcade game download. give me a big budget game that pushes the consoles performance and visuals. Both systems can do 1080p in gameplay but at horrible framerates to game. Do you not read what I said? I didnt say they couldnt. I said it would be unplayable you damn short bus wannabe.
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|The funniest part is, the more people are paying, the more people want it. You could pick one up for $1100.00 to $1200.00 when they started letting people sell the pre-orders.
I bet these same people are refunding the money, saying they didn't get one or the store ran out so they could re-list it for 3 times as much.
I hope someone like Sony steps in and helps this family out. If anyone is interested, I'll put a PayPal donation button up on my website for this poor guy.
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|.. funny comment not funny if previous comment edited..
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|The highest price I saw a 60g model go for today was $3350... that's comical.
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|For three Grand (or 1500 for that matter) I could build a PC that would blow away the PS3. I am glad I grew up and moved on from consoles.
DX10 Baby, come get you some.
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|wait .... let me try and comprehend this ....
so lets say these people DO manage to get a PS3
then re-sell it for double on eBay ....
what can they possibly buy with $1500+
that will bring just as much fun as a PS3 ??
so this leaves me wondering ....
what will they be doing the day after christmas and realize the fast earned cash is gone
they've got nothing but crappy presents
and all left to do is watch TV ....
where somewhere, someone is having the time of their lives playing with their PS3 ???
my point is (dont get me wrong)
but in the long run im sure a PS3 can bring me way more fun than $1500 cash, can ... :)
so yeah loosers ..... go sell your PS3 on ebay .... lets see what fun thing you'll be doing once xmas time comes ....
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|dude, there is life outside of game consoles you know. maybe these people not into games at all but into making fast cash
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|Wow, I hope your joking. Or being sarcastic. Ive seen a maximum so far of about 3000 on ebay. I'd either invest that money, or go buy myself another HDTV. I'd like to think that if you really wanted a PS3, you can cash out at 3000, and buy 6 PS3's for the price of 1 later.
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|And thats all it is, these people in line arent interested in playing 1 bit, they are there for PROFIT. And let me tell ya, at $3000 its safe to say that they are making a sh%t load of profit.
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|$3000 you call it profit ??
ahAHhaHAHhaH
i make almost twice as much in the same 9 days those loosers wasted in line to purchase the system ....
lets say i do get $3000 on ebay ....
where if i had shown up to work i could've made $7000
what kind of logic are you using ??? where's the common sense ???
now i see what kind of people elected Bush ...
oh, wait .... no .... i forgot, most Mc. Donalds employees arent even old enough to vote .... ahHAhahHAHahAHha
so yeah, $3000 is almost what you make in a year working there
.... yup, thats a LOT of profit ...
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|dude, it is still free money. everyone likes free money.
7000 in a week? well not everyone works in porn industry you know.
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|yeah, go tell that to the family of the guy that got shot....
im sure those $3000 will come in handy when hospital bills arrive
lets also not forget to mention the humiliations many went trough while waiting for the system.... even then, $3000 seem barely enough when put as the price for your dignity
but i guess if you work at mc. donalds, there was no dignity to begin with ... so yeah, it is profit ...
now in regards to the porn industry comment, sorry to disappoint you :) but it doesnt pay nearly as much as you're implying
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|It simple math
$500 vs $3000, time spent. We'll look at the Japanese market. Poor Chinese people lined up to buy PS3's in Japan. Just so the cororate guys can make obvious profit. They never stood in line, just payed some Chinese guy $10 for staying there 3 days.
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|i don't need to tell anyone anything. everyone understands what happened. but it only supports my point - as fun as PS3 might be people are after easy money
7000 a week is ~28 month -> ~340,000 a year. so either you some high suit in greedy corporation (why would you write to this forum then?) or doing something elegal. either way something tells me that you exagerrated a bit :)
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|Hey Das,
What do you do for $7000.00 in 9 days? I'm not being a jerk, I was just wondering.
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|Well said
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|no, actually selling "real state" pays just about that much .... :) just go look around ...
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|selling a house shells about 2500$ avg. agent sells 4-3 houses in a 9 day time lapse
of course is not $7000 constant but ... you get the idea :)
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|thas ok, i'll take your word for it :)
as far as dignity, well different people have different price for theirs. some will sell it for way less then 3000$
but not me. i'm asking at least 3200$ :P
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|lol ...
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|That makes sense.
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|WoW, just WoW.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PS3-...054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/IN-H...054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is that profit enough for you?
7k for 2-3 days of waiting...
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|Dude...most of the kids I've seen selling these on E-bay are college students.
Now...how many college students do you see making $7000 in a week, eh?
From *your* point of view it may be stupid...but the world is made up of all kinds of folks, with all different points of view.
Nice elitism, there, btw. I just lost any respect for you I had.
One of these days you will hopefully learn that making a lot of money doesn't make you better, it just makes you richer.
...there will always be someone richer, and money doesn't last forever. Perhaps you should take a long hard look at your priorities before bashing a bunch of hard-working, if less fortunate people. Your arrogance is pitiful.
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|*shakes head*
This man's arrogance knows no bounds today.
Dude, pull the straw out of your nose and get off your high horse, will ya?
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|You don't make $7K in 9 days.
Thanks.
heh
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|Real Estate companies take in 5-6% on a sale, so on most middle to upper middle class homes they make more like $16K on a home sale. If the agent only makes $2,500 on that sale they are in the wrong business. ;-)
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|One of these days you will hopefully learn that making a lot of money doesn't make you better, it just makes you richer.
so what precisely is the point of selling the PS3 on eBay if not for this ....
lol, you just proved my point ....
..there will always be someone richer, and money doesn't last forever.
there you go, precisely my point AGAIN ....
ahaHAHha i'd almost say you're cheering my posts ...
Nice elitism, there, btw. I just lost any respect for you I had.
wow, are you serious ???
up until now my life was great,
i guees now that i lost your respect
my life will change ....
*** waits ***
*** waits some more ***
nope, life hasnt changed .... lol
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|Wow....
your even more of an arrogant self centered turd then foxfyre...and thats tough to do.
don't breed.
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|No it doesn't, not unless he only sells very small very inexpensive houses to the poor people he just bashed. Real estate agents make a hell of a lot more then that per sale.
And 3-4 sales in 9 days? Please, maybe 2 years ago an agent who damn near killed himself selling could hope to pull that off but not anymore. The market isn't what it used to be.
ergo. hes full of s***.
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|your so full of s*** its amazing you can see straight.
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|I just read your comments, but...
Are you insane?
Just asking. No offence intended.
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|This is the first time I wish I could filter out specific user's posts on Betanews.
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|disregard this
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|You don't get vacation time?
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|"what can they possibly buy with $1500+
that will bring just as much fun as a PS3 ?? "
For a lot less than $1500, they could buy a 360, HD-DVD add on, Xbox Live subscription and a bunch of games.
That will give them even MORE fun than a PS3.
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|"yeah, go tell that to the family of the guy that got shot....
im sure those $3000 will come in handy when hospital bills arrive"
Serves you right for living in the US. If it were in the UK, treatment would be free.
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|"they could buy a 360"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...360...ahhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
*wipes eyes*
...ok, you do that then.
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|Arrogant...
..and an idiot.
Hey, if you throw in a few racist comments, you'll have the triple threat, baby.
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|Actually the chinese guys got about $100 - $200 a piece... and the wait time was more like 4 - 6 hours.... and not corporate guys, Yakuza, or Japanese mafia is the correct term you're looking for.
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|Yep. And that's what mostly everybody did when the couldn't get there hands on a PS3.
As what I'm Batman said
"I just got off the phone with a co-worker and here's the stats for our store's PS3 launch:
PS3's sold: 10
Xbox 360's sold: 75...!!!!!!!!!"
It's not so funny now is it.
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|I did. About 11 months ago. And I've been enjoying great games and great online match making, downloadable demos, arcade games, high def trailers and more ever since.
I'm glad PS3 users can now experience a taste of what I have the past 11 months.
Those that react the way you do obviously haven't spent much time with a 360 or are blinded by Sony faboyism.
I'm no fanboy - PS3 looks good. Games don't impress me as much as they should for a year late. And their online is just as bad as PS2.
Why would you keep giving money to a company that isn't innovating at all?
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|"but i guess if you work at mc. donalds, there was no dignity to begin with "
Wow... did you feel it necessary to diss anyone working at McDonalds. Not everyone is as fortunate as you claim to be. There's no reason to disrepect them.
It was just totally uncalled for!
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|I have a friend who did get a ps3 opening day and sold it on ebay for about 3800. Now he is getting a wii, 360 and a hdtv with every game and attachment he could possibly want for both consoles. he thanks sony very much for their hype.
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|well for 1500 i could put a nice downpayment on a car, go on a vacation, or i could pay my rent for three months and feel great about not having to worry about that.
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|he got taken, the guy turned around and sold it for more. (bought sony i think)
http://www.reghardware.c...ebayer_bids_89m_for_ps3/
lol
:-p
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|Wow, if those numbers are right, then damn. LOL
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|It still amazes me how people get hyped up about something every year just because "it's the cool thing this year." Watching people on the news standing outside overnight in the freezing cold just seems pathetic. It seems as though there are 3 different people that contribute to this "standing outside overnight" phenomenon. 1) People truly are PS3 enthusiast 2)People want to buy this so they can make a quick buck reselling this on eBay and 3)People that want it just because it's the "new thing." I saw something someone posted earlier about how Sony should just charge more for the first few weeks so people don't resell this on eBay for triple the price. I agree with that because it seems as though most people fall within category 2 above. Sony should capitalize on those early adopters that are willing to pay more and let the people that really want it either pay more or wait until the price drops as production increases. I don't know..just some thoughts that went through my head...
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|It's the "I want my family to see I have a PS3 on Thanksgiving" syndrome for the people who are paying the crazy prices.
These are the same people who buy plasmas because "they're cool" and don't know how bad and inaccurate the colors really are. They just want to show off like a plasma is some sort of status symbol.
One idiot on CNN said, "I'm supposed to be at work so if my boss sees me, I'll get fired. But it's worth it for PlayStation 3". The funny part is, he was like 500th in line at a Wal-Mart. That's the mentality of this country, showing off to make strangers think you're cool.
Most of the people who were in tents and actually got there first got screwed anyways because the parking lot filled with cars and everyone made a mad dash when the doors opened.
Only one store by me had police officers making sure the idiots who got there at at midnight and thought they were going to get a PS3 were told to leave immediately. They handed out numbers earlier in the day and told everyone to go home and come back at midnight and sent everyone else away as they arrived. They only had two dozen PS3's anyways.
People were actually crying, pinning their hopes on making a fortune on eBay. If you want to call $3000.00 a fortune.
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|When the 360 came out, I didn't rush to buy one. I happened to be in a local store a day later looking at HDTV and saw they had some systems left. A quick look on Ebay showed them to be fetching double the retail price. So I bought one and Ebayed it. Sure enough, I got double the price. Put the money in the bank and left it there. 6 months later, went to a shop now there were plenty and bought myself one. End result? In effect, a free Xbox 360. Cheers.
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|Of course Sony will sell every PS3 it produces, but Sony doesn't want to produce them. Imagine taking a 300 dollar hit on every console you sell. There isn't a lot of incentive for them to produce them quickly except trying to rack up some Blu-Ray movie sales.
I read they sold slightly more consoles than games in Japan, 94 out of 100 consoles left with a game purchase. I dont think the PS3 is going to save Blu-Ray. My local Best Buy said not one customer left with a Blu-Ray movie and most didn't even buy a game.
I'm sure Sony doesn't like the fact the only reason why people 90% of the people want the PS3 in the first place is to resell it. Most are around $2400.00 on eBay. Not one news show actually showed anyone taking theirs home and hooking it up, they all showed people saying how they were going to list it on eBay as soon as they got home.
One guy said, he was going to eat, shower, sleep, then hook it up and play some games. This is as bad as the Elmo fiasco a few years back, people were paying 400 dollars for one of those annoying things.
Could you imagine sitting in front of your PS3 a year from now, thinking "I paid $3000.00 for that thing".
Sad.
And to think, people were worried this would put a dent in HD-DVD sales.
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|Theres something wrong in this article.. Sony predicts they will sell SIX million units before march. Which an even bigger obsticle to climb than the ONE million you are saying.
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|If life is hard in the US at the moment, with there being so few PS3s then why not pop over to Europe!
What's a PS3?
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|"Yet with the company having said it might only have produced 400,000 units for launch in Japan and North America today, and some analysts fearing that number could actually be as low as 150,000,"
I'd like to see what Marky has to say about this, because I know for a FACT his a** said the PS3 was not being rushed, because Sony prides itself on not rushing unlike the "Xbox180".
This system is in fact rush, I just love how people are simply taking advantage of fanboys.
"some of the first in line were bragging about how much they'd be able to reap after they turn around and hock their newly purchased wares on eBay."
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|Just wait until you see the defective rates on this abomination. I am going to sit back and laugh at people like Mark and Dave while they try to spin it three ways from Sunday.
I found out the same company that assembles the Mac laptops actually puts this thing together, maybe we can look forward to the slot loader jamming and locking up like the G4 cube.
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|Did you buy a game with your PS3? Or you selling on ebay? Personally I'd sell on ebay and buy another one later.
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|I don't know if I want to keep it, it would be really nice to give as a gift to my nephew and niece. The money isn't an issue.
I didn't buy any games, and apparently a lot of other people didn't either.
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|Gift sounds good then. If there are no games you'd like to play on it. Only thing I'm considering is Grand Trismo HD. But I'll wait until March.
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|I could give you $600 for the PS3 so that I can ebay it.
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|Believe me,
If I was desperate for money or needed it to feed my family, I'd have it up on eBay right now.
Nobody is putting a gun to the heads of the people who were paying $3000.00 for a PS3, they are just insane.
p.s. I just saw another one go for $710.00 (20GB)
The feeding frenzy is dying down, the stores have more trickling in each day I heard. One guy went to Wal-Mart this morning when they opened, and asked about a PS3 and they guy said, "yeah, we got 2 in today" and he walked out with both. It was on Fox News Chicago.
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