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eBay warning: A cloudy Christmas weather forecast

By Angela Gunn, BetaNews

October 15, 2008, 8:40 PM

The company made money during the third quarter, but eBay officials warned during its quarterly earnings call on Wednesday that the outlook for the holiday season is fairly grim.

The company's making money, though, particularly in the PayPal unit, which reported 27 percent growth and $597 million in revenue. During the quarter, according to CEO John Donahoe, Paypal's volume exceeded eBay's volume. That's the first time that's happened; PayPal is now doing more non-eBay transactions than eBay transactions.

Donahoe estimated global market penetration at around 60% and says they can do better, and expects that the coming integration of the recently purchased Bill Me Later service will strengthen the service's financial hand.

Sometimes it's hard to remember that Skype, the popular communications service, is an eBay property, and that appears to be the way the company likes it.

"The more we let Skype stand alone," said Donahoe, "the more it delivers results," pointing to its 51% user growth. He dodged pointed questions about possible spinoffs, saying the service "is not a distraction." Elsewhere in the company, "adjacency" services such as ticket reseller StubHub and the classified and ad partnerships programs brought home the bacon, reporting double and even triple-digit gains.

And as for the auction service itself...well, it's not good when that portion of an earnings call is prefaced with the term "last but not least," followed quickly by phrases such as "not what we would have liked" and "we haven't kept up."

Continued work on search improvements and the never-ending eBay saga of The Sellers, The Carrot, and The Stick kept things lively in the auctions realm, with marketplace listings up 26% year-over-year since various system changes have taken effect. Many of those changes were designed to improve the buying experience, and Donahoe reported that the highest-rated sellers were seeing better results while lower-rated "subpar sellers" saw fewer -- a trend he attributed to buyer choice rather than crackdowns from the top. (The often-irascible seller community might disagree; Donahue and his fellow execs have ben magnets for criticism from that quarter since he took the job back in April.)

Marketplace revenues are up 4% this quarter, but the service's gross merchandise volume (GMV) fell one percent -- the first decline in that measure in eBay's history. The firm has already announced layoffs affecting about 10 percent of its employees.

The auction-division trend charts -- it wouldn't be an earning report without charts -- looked for the most part like a collection of ski trails, and not all bunny slopes either. A reworked approach to fees has increased the number of new listings but a combination of poor deal-searching tech and the economic climate left both the number of items sold and prices for those items depressed.

The tough economy and relatively stronger dollar leave eBay's leadership as perplexed as anyone about what's ahead.

"I wish there was clarity in my crystal ball as to what'll transpire during the holiday season, but there's not," said Donahoe, noting that the company's guidance of 25 to 27 cents/share profit was a remarkably wide range for the firm. The company also predicted $2.02 to $2.17 billion in revenue, below previous analyst estimates of $2.43 billion.

EBay opened at $17.01 on Wednesday and skittered down along with the rest of the market, closing at $15.33 and grazing in after-hours trading even below its 52-week low of $15.00.

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By foxfyre

edited Oct 17, 2008 - 2:50 AM

Unfortunately, so far only Tool apparently read the thread and commented correctly.

All the rest simply are using this thread for an opportunity to whine about EBay itself.

And as far as "If ebay would stop raising their transaction fees every year people would actually use them again."

The answer to this is NONSENSE.

The problem with EBay is not seller's fees!

The site has long since ceased to be a source of bargains and good deals. Most items are sold as an alternative to regular retail, with many buy it now prices at or higher than local or online retail. Then you have the bogus inflated shipping charges.

Add to this the legions of new bidders who think they need to be the highest bidder at every time from the moment the item is posted, the result being idiots who blindly bid items up to full retail or too often ABOVE full retail!

One wonders if EBay is any longer even checking for seller's shill bidders. Little sniping is done - and why should one if the price 3 days before close is higher than you can buy the item new locally!

The problem isn't seller's fees. The problem is that Ebay has become the repository of retail merchants selling items for full retail with obscene inflated shipping charges.

EBay has long since ceased to be a site where individuals sell a few items for a discount price simply to recover a small profit.

Its sad when you can go to Amazon and source a NEW DELIVERED item for 1/3 the price of an item on EBay where shipping for a CD/DVD is routinely $7-10!!!!

And you don't have to worry about fraudulently represented merchandise or #$@% PayPal. Besides, anyone who doe not use a credit card with PayPal and forego PayPals 'guarantee allowing you chargeback capability on PayPal is a fool.

Yeah, like seller's fees are the source of its decline... What would be nice if some of the 'let's use Ebay as a full retail outlet where inflated shipping charges provide additional profit' seller's with their shill bidders would take a hike.

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By Hollywood__

edited Oct 17, 2008 - 4:29 AM

eBay is a flea market and foxfyre is absolutely correct. The inflated shipping prices and people breaking dealer agreements are rampant.

What a virtual s***hole eBay has become. It is no longer an auction site, just a repository for foreign jagoffs selling junk.

You can however get computer and HDMI cables that one tenth of the price of Best Buy. I bought a 25 foot HDMI to DVI cable for $10. It passes 1080p from my PS3 to my projector with no issues.

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By TC17

edited Oct 16, 2008 - 6:05 PM

Ebay ticked off their customers big time this year. Like others have said, their outrageous price hikes (which they lied to the customers, pretending they were saving them money).

And of course another big one, was their removing negative feedback for any customer who buys from ebay. Letting the customer rip off the sellers. Both of those business practices will guarantee lost sales.

If Google were to start their own auction site, they would run ebay out of business.

Its all greed on ebays part. The same greed that will drive them out of business.

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By cerveza

posted Oct 16, 2008 - 11:59 AM

If ebay would stop raising their transaction fees every year people would actually use them again. They nickle and dime you to get the post up there, then take their cut when the item is sold too. Ump Dat!

People would rather post on Craigslist for free
than spend all their profits in fees to ebay.

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 16, 2008 - 9:13 AM

I'm really trying to see how this is any different from any other retail channel? They're all painting a rather "grim" outlook of this holiday season.

*shrug*

Tried, but just can't make myself care. Lots of folks will have to do without whatever the "Tickle Me Elmo" supertoy is this year. I'm sure they'll survive.

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By Das mod

edited Oct 16, 2008 - 3:37 PM

u mean Elmo Live ?

see, you're not thinking about the children ...

can someone PLEASE think of the children ???

if i dont get them an Elmo, who will raise them now ??? TV ??? I dont think so Mr.

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