FISA amendments bill passes Senate, President likely to sign
By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published July 10, 2008, 1:50 PM
The compromise legislation will enable a court to decide on a case-by-case basis whether telcos that cooperated with the US government will be granted immunity from prosecution. Prominent Democrats were among those voting for the compromise.
By a final vote of 69 - 28, with three senators not voting, the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 passed the US Senate yesterday afternoon. With all three major amendments offered to the bill having been soundly defeated, the provision enabling a FISA court to grant immunity from prosecution to telecommunications companies that may have participated in surveillance activities in the wake of 9/11, remained intact.
No Republicans voted against the bill, though Sens. Jefferson Sessions (R - Alas.) and John McCain (R - Ariz.) were not present to vote. Earlier, Sen. McCain -- the presumptive US Republican presidential nominee -- urged the bill's passage. Although Sen. Arlen Specter (R - Penn.) had offered an amendment that would have limited immunity grants to situations where such grants were found to be constitutional, and that amendment was among those defeated, he also voted aye.
Democrats voting against the bill were led by Sens. Russ Feingold (D - Wisc.) and Chris Dodd (D - Ct.), who had proposed an amendment that would have simply stricken the language dealing with immunity grants. They were joined most notably by Sens. Patrick Leahy (D - Vt.) and Joseph Biden (D - Del.).
But among the notable Democrats voting aye were Sen. McCain's opponent, Sen. Barack Obama (D - Ill.), along with Dianne Feinstein (D - Calif.), Daniel Inouye (D - Hawaii), Evan Bayh (D - Ind.), Mary Landrieu (D - La.), Barbara Mikulski (D - Md.), Claire McCaskill (D - Mo.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D - R.I.), Jim Webb (D - Va.), and Jay Rockefeller (D - W.V.). Many of those names have been listed among Obama supporters who may be considered potential running-mates, particularly Feinstein, Bayh, McCaskill, and Webb.
In a statement issued just after the vote, President Bush expressed his support for Congress, stating he plans to sign the measure into law.
"This bill will help our intelligence professionals learn who the terrorists are talking to, what they're saying, and what they're planning," Mr. Bush said. "It will ensure that those companies whose assistance is necessary to protect the country will, themselves, be protected from lawsuits for past or future cooperation with the government. It will uphold our most solemn obligation as officials of the federal government to protect the American people."
Speaking on the floor of the Senate yesterday prior to the vote, Sen. Feingold lamented what was looking to be inevitable by that time, while presenting a "rogue's gallery" of arguments over the past few years made on behalf of the President's power to authorize warrantless wiretaps.
Among them was this, according to Feingold's prepared remarks: "Senators have also dragged out the same old tired arguments about the President's supposed inherent executive authority to violate FISA. They argue that a law passed by Congress can't trump the President's power under the Constitution. That argument may sound good, but it assumes what it is trying to prove: that the Constitution gives the President the power to authorize warrantless wiretaps in certain cases. You can't simply say that any claim of executive power prevails over a statute -- at least, not if you are serious about the rule of law, and about how to interpret the Constitution. The real question is, when a claim of executive power and a statute arguably conflict, how do you resolve that conflict?"
Feingold suggested the answer: that the Supreme Court has the authority to determine whether the President acted in violation of a criminal statute. He argued that Congress should not presume to sidestep that judicial authority.
In his own comments, Sen. Leahy noted that not all telcos complied with the President's request, with one basing its objections on legal principle. "There are public reports that at least one telecommunications carrier refused to comply with the administration's request to cooperate with the warrantless wiretapping," Leahy said. "Surely that objection raised a red flag for all involved. It is clear that the administration did not want the Senate to evaluate the evidence and draw its own conclusions. Again, it sought to avoid accountability."
But Sen. Rockefeller said he felt the compromise was necessary in order to forge a new working relationship between the intelligence community and legislators.
"We have crafted historic legislation that will change the face of electronic surveillance for the future," reads a statement from Rockefeller's office. "And in producing this carefully crafted compromise, we have achieved another important goal that has been lost in recent years. We have created a program that has earned the broad support of Congress, the Intelligence Community, and the Executive and Judicial Branches, giving our intelligence officials the confidence they deserve in carrying out their responsibilities to protect American lives."
"Democrats voting against the bill" included Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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|ok, isps cant even forward DMCA s*** accuretly, how the hell could they even prove the data they collect it accurate or not!
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|The issue is that it allows _warrantless_ wiretapping. No one has a problem with the NSA, FBI, etc. wiretapping. They just need to show something to a judge indicating the person could be doing something illegal. Instead what we have is AT&T passing _all_ internet traffic to the NSA allowing them to track everyone. Before this bill that was illegal. Now it is legal and AT&T is retroactively protected from lawsuits.
http://www.wired.com/sci...ries/news/2006/04/70619
http://arstechnica.com/n...post/20060412-6585.html
Obama has lost my vote. Yes, it means that much. You make compromises on economic policies, not on the Constitution.
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|Obama has lost my vote.
See, all things turn out good in the end. :)
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|Yeah but it's not like McCain is a good choice either.
Both of the Big Two parties need to be tossed out on their collective rumps and we need to get people in office that actually give a flip about liberty, the economy, lower taxes, smaller government, less intrusion into people's private lives, less intrusion into other countries, better international relations, etc.
You know, COMMON SENSE politics, not DOLLAR SENSE politics.
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|Back to basics?
The original Dem and Rep. parties? Old-school liberalism and conservatism?
Nah...it's a brave new world, right?
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|it is my belief that the issue isn't wiretapping on terrorists, but the wiretapping of any american viewed as an enemy of the state(america).
therefore,any homo sexual politician, advocate group, anti-war in iraq people, etc.. would be seen as enemies and allowed to be wiretapped under the law.
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|therefore,any homo sexual politician, advocate group, anti-war in iraq people, etc.. would be seen as enemies and allowed to be wiretapped under the law.
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You not only skipped a part or two there (when did these groups become enemies of the state?), but are also apparently completely ignoring the requirement that a warrant be obtained (even if it can take up to 7 days).
They aren't going to go getting all abusive with it when there's a Court watching every move they make.
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|give me a break...
the only time a warrant is needed is when the evidence is going to be used in a court of law,
everything else is fair game in the world of american politics.
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|"...everything else is fair game in the world of american politics."
LOL! I think you mean in a paranoid's fantasy.
Your one-trick pony rant has grown very old.
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|I think Obama's supporters should cease contributing to his campaign for a month so that he feels their outrage where it hurts. Ultimately he's raised so much money that it won't really affect his chances, but it's certainly something that both he and the media will pick up on as a response to this treachery.
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|Obama has heard and knows well how his base feels about telecom immunity for warrant-less wiretapping. But he already won the Democrat nomination he doesn't need to butter them up any more. It's not as if any of last month's Obama fanatics would vote for McCain because the FISA vote.
So he is just shuffling to the center like any other politician would. But, again, it's not as if any good, patriotic, war-mongering, Christian is going to vote for Obama because of his FISA vote. I think Obama's recent moves are designed to appease a smaller audience. I hate to think of what "the powers that be" would be capable of doing if they got nervous. Right now Obama is just working at staying alive.
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