Understand many of the complaints here (except for the blatently stupid ones), but how is this Bush's fault? As I said below, he's President, not king, he doesn't regulate P2P nor does he create law. He did sign a law to extend punishment for piracy to a maximum of ten years, so he must "obviously" be against software piracy, is that what did it?

This talk of Bush 'raping' the country just got on my last nerve, sorry in advance. Americans must be numbskulls, we elected a serial rapist and murderer for President, he's so smart he can fool 60% of the country into re-electing him, only the 40% or so that voted against him now can bring his conspiracy to light, or did he brainwash voters and manipulate the polls again? I'm sure he's going to "abuse" his power and nominate Gonzalez for the Supreme Court too. I would if I were him, that's his right and his responsibility, we the people (sure not you, but America as a whole) elected him to represent us and if he represents the majority of the country I believe he SHOULD nominate Gonzalez. (just because some people refuse to answer the stupid polls and don't voice their opinions like me every two seconds doesn't mean we don't exist. Bush haters are in the minority, period.)

Back to the subject...how is prosecuting criminals bad? Have any of you ever seen the Super Bowl? Remember those 12,000 disclaimers that you cannot broadcast, copy, or distribute any part of the Super Bowl without permission. Grow up guys...

"To catch those involved, the FBI set up its own piracy servers and gathered information on offenders as they uploaded and downloaded from it. "

Isn't that entrapment?

Never heard of police going undercover, pretending to buy drugs to catch drug dealers?

Disturbing, I can understand how they can say that commercial software, music, and movie copying / p2p'ing is piracy but how in the world is broadcast television downloading considered piracy?

Unbelievable! Eventually you will be charged with a crime for peeing during the commercials.

You raise an excellent point, but your last comment is unrelated and idiotic.

IMO. . . anything that is broadcasted via airways or over the internet should be classified as public domain and the rights to it are no existant. Football games, TV shows, Concerts, etc displayed in a public venue are public domain and therefore do not fall under privacy guidelines. You should be able to duplicate it as many times as you wish and show it as many times the same.

Music recorded in a studio and published/marketed via traditional avenues should be protected. MP3 are stealing, but capturing a song from the radio and distributing it should be legal. Capturing a TV show and then giving it to a friend, because he missed it, should be legal. Both these examples were broadcasted over a public medium and should be considered public domain.

nooo, it's not unrelated and while it really is idiotic it is the REAL mindset of many in the television industry.

http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Newmark_v_Turner/
http://www.broadband-pbi...;file=contents_king.inc

I agree with everything else you said.

Q: I can find on the net "unpackers" for most other commercial protections, which can remove that particular protection from any protected program. Do you think such tool will also be created against your protection?
A: No. That's virtually impossible. The Iron Wall private build we give to each client is dramatically different (not security wise), and there are many many other things that will make such an "unpacker" impossible to code.

heh, I find that alot of humor in that statement from the devlopers of Ironwall. Especially when they are comparing it to out of date programs that have not been updated to defeat their protection scheme yet according to screenshots.

Anyways, on topic. Really sick to see so much money spent on fighting piracy, sure piracy can be a problem and has potential to kill some (not even near all, and according to alot of statistics not even a few % if that) sales. But so many other crimes going on that they over look. And yes I know, statistics do not mean everything, but companies do try to make the stats bigger than they appear, as a mirror does on your car make things closer.

They should spend more money/time working on putting murderers and child molestors/rapists in prision or the chair/lethal injection than this bs.

My opinion I guess, but rather than go into detail on my views about digital "material" I will just leave it at that.

Crypton,

It is true that the screenshots are taken out of out-dated programs as you have noticed, but you must understand that they represent just a proof-of-concept, they are not ment to show you how the latest version of that particular program is defeated, it is really not necessary to update our screenshots every time a new "OllyDbg" is out, or another tool like it.
Despite of that, we can assure you that our team has tested with all the updated "tools of the trade" and they are correctly counteracted by Iron Wall.
Regards

god may kill bush, he is raping a country and getting zero jail time.

Some big names there. :(

I seem to recall that the Supremes banned those mandatory ten year sentences for all kinds of crimes. A pervert kidnapped, raped and murdered a 7 year old girl. He may not wind up in prison; because keystone kops screwed up his case in Florida. The president's kid brother is in charge but does nothing about other crimes involving this scumbag.

The same federal beauracrats, who staged these Gestapo raids, refuse to prosecute this dirty old man for using crack cocaine. Indeed they can, because smoking a piece of the rock is a federal felony which carries a ten year sentence. Alberto Gonzales; "get off your a$$...

k first off your talking about the exclusionary clause which is seperate between federal and state governments. Second, there is nothing the federal govenment can do to interfere with state procedings unless they have violated PREVIOUS laws. Therefore the governer of a state can not in turn make changes to municipality issues. So what does this have to do with the article above? or did you read about it in some magazine and try to sound like you know something?

to minimize piracy software producers have to protect they work. www.ironwall.ro

They spent 50 Million to arrest 4 people. The government is really getting things done it looks.

With couple billion they might actually slow down one of 50+ groups out there and in a world of P2P transfers being the majority this would definetly mean progress.

Your right. Its a total waste of money as far as im concerned. Personally i buy software don't have much of it because of the price. If companies like microsoft would lower their prices it would me more feasible. And they wonder why alot of people and organizations are not upgrading to xp but just migrating to linux. Most linux distros are free. If they can get full compatibility with linux and windows programs. Bye bye microsoft. Alot of people have the money to go and buy the software but choose to download it becuase they can. I live in Canada. I know the rules are different here. But in all due respect most of these groups are in different countries. George Bush or no other north american have any jurisdiction there. I have a friend that passed away recently who used to do a fair bit of downloading. He told me that most of the movie formats are in PAL. Correct me if im wrong but isn't PAL a European format?. No one takes into account of what people actually do buy. When i worked at walmart, we had to stock the shelves for Grand Theft Auto:San Andreas 6 times in one week. Something doesn't seem right here. People are pirating because they can. its not right but they can so they will do it. theres nothing anybody can do to stop it. They want it to but its impossible.

Also i read a note here as well stating that it should be public domain if you hear a song on a radio and tape it off and make as many copies as you want. Are you listening to yourself??? Same music, Same artist, Same amount of work went into the music in the studio. Taping songs from a radio is piracy. And another thing that really pulls my chain is some companies create these so called awesome games. Ive been caught in it before. You play a game you bought for ten minutes and find out how useless it is and you won't play it. I think there should be some time limit on it. But however I would not go about this the way that Valve has gone about it with Steam. I work at a computer store. Ive seen customers bring in their computers and steam in my eyes is just as bad as spyware. It hits you as soon as you startup your computer. Anyways i know im driving some of you guys crazy so ill stop typing. Have a good one.

Glad to see our tax dollars at work here. Go get the big scary copywright infringers, who terrorize children and make them smoke reefer. And we all know what a great value we are getting for out tax money when we put little johnny in a federal prison for 10 years for using bit-torrent to get a copy of Harry Pothead's latest adventure.

Nevermind that there are rapists who have served less time. Digital crimes are much more dangerous to our society. We must stop it or the monsters will get us!

Exactly! Who cares that in Canada you can rape 5 people and get < 10 years. Obviously, distributing overpriced software, music, and videos deserves a much harsher punishment!

Its all about money, plain and simple. Deprive business of billions and its serious. The tax man want his cut and he dont get zip and so u piss too many people off to not be taken down.
most people in business couldnt care less about its customers so long as they buy buy buy, they will happily sell to rapeists, murders and basically anyone with money, but deprive them of there money and you will see there true intensions.

Yes your right, is it about money. Plain and simply, they LIE about their so called "losses" and make up fantastic figures about how much money was never theirs but should have been yet never would have been so boo hoo wahhhh they cry about something they were never going to get, when in reality they can't realize that maybe sales are down because their stuff is crap and less people want to see or listen to it. And we foot the bill for that B.S. in the end. Me ill just do my thing and not bother watching or buying any of their trash, and they can blame that on kazzaa and bit-torrent all they want but in the end, I DONT WANT IT.

I don't know. It's been going on so long that maybe, just maybe there are way too many people for them to control. This country (America) is already a police state by all means (I'm also mad today because cig tax went up again Ohio, $5.10 for ports!!).

They spend 50 million because the record company and movie industry and maybe a hand-full of other block-head organizations don't like it very much and want to sue and bring everyone to court over pennies on the dollar and they still have the nerve to tell everyone they are loosing $5 billion dollars every year and it somehow cripples their multi-billion dollar industry.

Ontop of all that the ratio of bad music/movies to good ones is enough to make anyone sick. Everyone has that rich, sold-out, no creativity sound and as for the movies, well, heh...everyone knows those mindless 'classic' happy-ending Hollywood plots.

Ok, because they are rich, it is ok for anyone to steal from them. They have to much.

It is ok for for athletes to commit crimes, because they are in the public eye.

Gas prices are too high!

Michael Jackson got away with molesting young boys!

Bin Laden isn't playing fair!

Kennedy was killed and Nixon lied!

blah blah blah blah blah . . .

If you don't like the cost of "cigs", stop buying them or smoke less.

You need a preist.

I wish it was 5.10 here with all the taxes a pack is work 10 bucks

It's not ok to rob them because they're rich - it is only ok to rob them because they got rich by robbing you.

An example would be Macromedia...pimp that price!!! "Even though our software has hundreds of bugs in it that other software does not, we're going to charge you hundreds of dollars more than we should!"

You americans are so selfish, whining about gas and cig prices. Come to UK and pay our gas prices and cig prices, then you will climb back in your SUV's and polute the world cus you dont care right?

Its all about money !!! get it in your head. Thats why you wont sign up to the kyoto treaty because of money and greed.

I used to like americans, but they really are starting to show there real colours.

It takes a starving continent like africa and the world looking at them in discust to shame them into writing off the debt instead of doing the right thing.

USA .. the land of opertunity, you reap what you sow, it couldnt happen to a more deserving nation.

then dont buy it ...

I don't suppose it could have been France and England who really screwed up Africa by colonizing it? Sending boat after boat of slaves to their other colonies in the West Indies, many many times more slaves than were ever sent to America?

So this is the "Europe broke it, now shame America into fixing it" program? Alright, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page ;)

You are my new best friend =)

We colonized Africa ? lol

They didn't rob you, you were just too ignorant to buy from them. It is legal and nothing wrong with it. 2 wrongs wouldn't make a right anyway.

And "Even though our software has hundreds of bugs in it that other software does not, we're going to charge you hundreds of dollars more than we should!" Again, you are silly in your thinking that anything you buy will be perfect. You buy with hopes, but no guarantees. If anything, don't continue to buy it or use the product if it is as bad as you say.

The consumer has more power than they beleive, but instead resort to an idiotic mind set that often is self defeating. Piracy, theft, whatever you resort to will only hurt you in the end, not the company. A voice used for anything else but whining is more powerful.

This is Bush's great plan on education.

Have any of you guys ever taken a government class? Bush only signed a law that extended the amount of time in prison to ten years, he has very little if anything to do with this. He's President, not king.

wow so this is what we are concerned with? what about healthcare? what about jobs? what about the high cost of gas? I could give a ton more what abouts...our priorities seem to really be messed up...why is this so important? I could think a ton better ways to spend 50 million dollars this is getting ridiculous...piracy has been going on for years and years this is not going to solve anything and is just going to make people who are causing copyright infringement to just work harder...do what itunes, rhapsody, napster... etcetc have done embrace it because its never going to go away maybe they stop it on us servers...does that then mean they cut us off from the rest of the world to stop piracy? We already know the gov't is a bunch of crooks who's going after them? Its not just the internet this happen people "trade" software all the time offline and make copies this is just a waste of time and money

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with you but the $50 million is what they estimate the amount of the software and movies were worth, they're not saying that's how much the raid cost. Here's a CNN article that says it more clearly:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/...ackdown.reut/index.html

It is funny to hear people complain that healthcare, jobs, gas, and the War are the most important topics in our nation and therefore we should not be concerned about piracy - it happens all the time and should accept it. Mostly, because they are doing it. Murder happens all the time, why not just let it go and accept it. How can these types of thoughts even be considered worthy of hearing. Whether you think they are important or not, someone does. You would if it were your pockets they were dipping into.

These guys should go to jail, and for a long time. I am not perfect, and have downloaded MP3's and used pirated software in the past. I also know it was illegal and accept any punishment deemed necessary by those whose products I took. I will not sit back and tell them that it is OK, because they are millionaires and should give it to me or that it is Ok because everyone else is doing it.

Napster, iTunes, and Rhapsody buy the rights to the songs they now offer on their servers. This is why you are paying 99 cents per download. Kazaa, Blubster, WinMX and the like - if you use these, then you are breaking the law(nothing more) and could be given the consequesces that come with their use. People that break the law, knowing full well in doing so, but then cry when they get caught are hypocritical. In 5 years, come back to these forums and read what you are saying here. I hope you will laugh, and laugh out loud how silly you sound.

athome, there can be plenty of law with no justice. No offence but, just out of curiosity, when do you plan to turn yourself in to the local precinct for past illegal mp3 sharing and use of pirated software, to go to jail as you say "for a long time?"

Would that punishment fit your crime? If you feel so then feel free to turn yourself in. I'm afraid i just have to disagree with your notion of what punishment fits what crime. Not saying its OK to break copywrite law, just after reflection, i do not feel in my heart that 10 years fits that kind of crime. But hey, im a little whacked out i guess :)

.....i dunno why this was posted twice so i edited it.

ur an idiot. Piracy and murder r not the same thing u dumba**.

I think Galway said it best; it is all about the big businesses money. If a single person goes to the police or their local politician and makes a complaint that single person will sit there and somebody will write down their complaint and then they go on their merry way. But guess who pays for the politicians and police??? Big business does. So when one of them go to the police or there local politicians action happens.
So you see this is all about money, they who have it get results and us well we just try and make do the best we can.
Is it right to pirate? No of course not. Is murder the same as pirating software? again of course not. Are they both against the law? Yes they are.
There are many reasons for pirating software and it seems the worst reason I have heard yet is because the software sucks.... well if it does why pirate it? If it sucks then don't use it. I think if asked, is there any software worth buying most of them would say NO!
Personally I think efforts to thwart spammers should be above piracy on the priority list. Spam has to affect big business as well as us small fries and if it's affecting everybody then move it up on the list please.
But keep it under things like rape and murder I mean let’s have a little sanity check ok.

You sound exactly like those people who served guys like Hitler and Stalin - "it's against the law". Well . . . Not the tyrant is to blame but those who serve him . . . without thinking, "just obeying orders, Sir" . . .

I'm fed up with that kind of outside controlled people. 6 millions Jews have died because "it was against the law" to be one . . .

What laws? Made by whom? With what intention?

Does anyone ever demand any responsibility for the rich?

There has been a sentence in the German constitution once (not sure if it's still in there, though) saying "richness obliges" - by which is meant "obliges socially".

You cannot be super rich without having obligations to those who have nothing, who depend on the charity of the rich. But even there they won't follow this any more - most likely they will drop it out off the constitution, like they have done with a lot of worths already.

Bust those who make money with "pirated" software - okay. But don't criminalize the average computer user, who just has a look at proggies . . .

How is it that those companies who scream the loudest, are still around, in spite of their complaints they would lose "billions" every year? How come they haven't gone bankrupt already????????

A possible theatre could be like this: someone has lost his/her job, is in the older years of life, but desperately tries to catch up with office updates, just to be fit for a (maybe existing) next job. Where is the law FOR such kind of people that big software firms have to offer their programs for, say, 10 bucks - ? There is none. So what does this person do? He uses a copied version of "Word" etc.

So what?! Should such a person be put to jail?

You gotta be kidding me - VERY bad joke, man, extremely bad joke. It's nearly choking me...

And then - does anyone even think about those so called "pirates". Highly talented freaks, for whom cracking can be nothing but a intellectual challenge. Most of them, in my opinion, do this just like other people play chess, for example.

Should that kind people go to jail?

See - even if there are laws, there is something like "truth" and "commensurability". Judging is not a computer job - it's a complex process of contemplation of a human nature and life, while at the same time a process of finding some truth and not doing unjustice to a whole bandwidth of other laws, using a fluctuation margin.

If we have come to a judgement practice which is nothing but just "demand" and "offer" - well, then good-night justice, fare-well any right but those of the plutocrats....

Heh,

First of all, i don't condone software piracy.

However, believe it or not, it keeps the big players in the marked.
How?
Because your "average" computer user gets it for free, knows how to use it, likes it, talks about it, and reccomends it.
Now if Joe Average would have to pay a license fee for, say Adobe Photoshop, isn't there a good chance that he would instead use the opensource alternative GIMP.
Same with Windows. How many would choose a different OS if they couldn't get a pirate version?
Some businesses are friggin BUILT on piracy to an extent, as it gives them much needed marked dominance over cheaper, or free alternatives.

What an idiot you are. Are you even reading what is being written, or are you just jumping in and trying to sound intelligent.

This is about piracy and the law, which you seemed to have missed somewhere in your upbringing. Piracy is illegal at the last time I checked. If you participate in it, you may go to jail. In any case...

Get a life pal.

Welcome to America, but I am not trying to sund perfect here, nor justify my actions. Just merely stating the obvious which others seemed to ignorant to see. If you do it, and get caught, don't try to justify your actions based on that everyone else does it or that whom I am taking them from is doing something wrong too.

We all know that doing it does have consequences, regardless of what you like or not, or whether you feel it fits or not. It is the law and that is that. If you don't like it, dont break the law, or take measures to change it. Using the argument above to fight it is ludicrous. ULTIMATELY, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PUNISHMENT OF THE CRIME YOU ARE ABOUT TO COMMIT, THEN DON'T DO IT.