Where are all the HD-DVD fanboys now, when you can buy a crappy Toshiba HD-DVD for a whole $50 less than a Sony Blu-Ray...

Seems they are releasing the BS they have been fed recently about $400 player was exactly that, BS...

Not exactly. Things are more expensive in Japan due to the middle class making much more than the middle class here. No changes in price to the U.S. launches. :)

Here you go again, posting about Toshiba being crap, without backing it up. If it's crap, how about telling us why?

And, you obviously like to read what you want to see and not what's printed. The $1000 Blue Ray pricing was a US price, right? The $940 price is not US. The list the US price for that same player as being $799, but also offer a cheaper player for $499.

Back to crap - Is the Toshiba player crap because it's HD-DVD or because it's Toshiba? And again, just let us know why.

You left a zero out, $500, not $50.

How will blue-ray survive. ONE answer PS3.

PS3? what's that?!? :P

Not necessarily..

While it will put it in people's home's, it doesn't mean people will buy the movies.

It's possible that both formats may survive since dual format players seem likely. But the most likely winner will be the one that sells the most movies - that's really what this is all about.

How will blue-ray die. ONE answer UMD. Make that two, Betamax.

I heard Duke Nukem forever was coming out on Bluray too. :P

Yeah, on the PS3.

When Blu Burners hit the market for $99 I'll be interested.

That's the way to go, sir.

i think il wait till i get better price per GB than with DVD, its the same as with cd and dvd, remember how mutch dvds first costed.... look now, cheaper storage than cd

I personally don't plan to upgrade to one for a long time. The DRM features are way too stringent. That is the biggest letdown of the HD DVD format. The big movie companies have had too much say in the format.

DRM was made to be broken..

I am not looking to break DRM to share with others, I am looking to break DRM to actually get some "fair use" of the content I purchase.

I don't own 1 thing that has DRM on it that I can't break if I need to.

HD-DVD has the least restrictive copy protection of any high definition video format. It supports managed copy so you can get "fair use" out of your content.

The movie companies have too much say in the products they create/distribute, you say?

That's got to be one of the funniest things I've read in quite some time.

Thanks!

Not to mention the fact several studios have simply chosen *not* to use ICT at this point....so the downsampling issue is moot for now.

" The movie companies have too much say in the products they create/distribute, you say?"

The movie companies create/distribute blu-ray and hd-dvd players??

Now THAT'S one of the funniest things I've read in quite some time.

Thanks!

On a side note: MS has almost NO say in the products they create/distribute....

very interesting marketing strategy ....

Holy cow, how does Blu-ray expect to survive?

by dropping under $499 .....

hahaha that'll happen...

Of course it will, plug you get a free state of the art gaming system thrown in for free..

Sony fanboy? You certainly seem it from your comments.

Anyway, I think you have it backwards. It's unlikely that people will buy the PS3 for playing movies - they'll buy it for playing games. If someone is only interested in HD Movies and not gaming, they are more likely to buy a stand alone HD-DVD or Blue Ray player. These will offer more features and probably have slightly better quality.

Now, the PS3 will help for those that get it, have HDTV and are interested in High Def movies. This is probably not as many as you think - I've seen so many posts about 360 users who have HD Tv's but only use it for 360 gaming.

Sony, Sony, I love Sony!
Sony, Sony, more fun than a pony!
Don't believe the horse$hit,
You read about a rootkit.
Sony, Sony, gotta love Sony!
They're the best, that's no baloney!

Toshiba sux, cuz it don't rhyme.

: )

It is obvious to me that Sony had expected Blu-Ray to be further along when they released their Play Station 3 (PS3). When it came time to release their PS3 they were faced with a dilemma because Blu-Ray prices were too high both in terms of hardware and the actual discs, both of which are more expensive to manufacture than HD-DVD.
Sony has three ways it can release PS3:
1) Early (nov 2006) but lose money on each PS3 trying to get market share
2) Early (nov 2006) and charge the consumer the extra price for the Blu-Ray
3) Wait for Blu-Ray prices to fall and release the PS3 in 2007

It is likely that Sony will release early both to compete with Microsoft's new gaming console AND to help push Blu-Ray into people's homes; Sony has a lot invested in Blu-Ray.

I personally think that there is a limit to what the average consumer will pay for anything. The new gaming systems are so much money that you can buy a personal computer for the same amount. I question whether Sony can sell enough PS3's to make a huge difference in the High Definition DVD war. I doubt it unless they bump up the "blu-ray" advertising.

The fact that Blu-Ray can hold more bytes won't matter to people if there's already plenty of room for the movie and extras on both formats(there is).
I think it's going to come down to how much Blu-Ray investor's are willing to lose early to gain market share.
As long as HD-DVD can get enough competing titles released early to sit on the shelf next to Blu-Rays's I think they will win if the prices are lower.