If Google doesn't do this, someone else will. In a few years when we all are consuming and generating gigabytes of information a day (each), the data storage industry might be booming - and so might the advertising that will go inevitably hand-in-hand with it.

This development should be treated like any other that comes along.

1. Is it useful, if so I will tell my clients about it and maybe use it myself, if not, I will ignore it unless number 2 applies.
2. Is it dangerous...if so I should warn my clients not to use it.

If you have been paying attention (and obiously several folks here have as its mentioned below) you will remember the little application called Gmail Drive. This app connected a windows shell link (looked like a drive) to a hidden http interface to your gmail folder. It used this 1 or 2 gig of storage and held files as email attachments. There were some limitations, but it was quite innovative in its use of existing technolgy and free services. Gmail quickly made changes preventing this from working but it demonstrated its usefulness to me in that i could pass out the login to that account or i could jump on someone elses machine and grab my encrypted files or my collection of useful apps just using this little tool. I use multiple computers and i used it to store files that I wanted to access from all of them without having to ftp, vpn, etc... All while using googles bandwidth and hard drive space.

I am not opposed in principle to google hosting files for me, but i will most certainly be mindful of the risks to my data and myself if i am unwise in what I upload there. I cannot control what others do, but I can advise those that will listen of what I think is best and why.

its 6th grade level damnit, and thanks for your witty reparte. I can look up expansive words too, 'cause my daddy bought me a funk and wagnal.

evidently you don't post here at all, because you would be able to look between the level of indulgement we like to call entertainment, and if you don't like the way we do things, please, feel free to post on some AOL chat room. Maybe you will find more people to your liking.

This isn't a team building exercise, its called a debate. No one is forcing you to participate.

But since you did, you are now subject to OUR level of conversation, you don't like it, so what.

You want to sound like some editor or cool dude that makes it sound like you know what you are talking about, but really this is just rhetoric, and its boring me.

Google sucks is much better than posting the same old comments and trying to justify our reasons why Google sucks and why they are evil. You are coming in at the middle of a conversation, and therefore lack the history and the intellectual ability to "research" our kenship. So since you don't know who we are, and you are a new comer, please know that we are not obligated to explain anything to you, so if you want to comment fine, but don't tell us how to post, got it?

I seldom acknowledge flames but this one is quite nice and reasonably competent:

Actually rijp you are one of my favorite posters. Your quick retreats into personal attacks and controntational posturing is always sure to liven up my morning surfing. You tend to attack the poster rather than the idea and enjoy ridiculing even if you have not taken the effort to fully understand the topic.

Contrary to your implication, I actually rarely ever look up words. There is no need to because I use words so much that I learn to remember what they mean. I also read a lot so I tend to pick up some of the less used ones that enable me to communiate precisely what I am trying to. I also seldom use the biggest word when smaller ones will do. Sometimes, however, a specific word may carry a nuance of meaning that fits my thoughts particularly well. I then use it in the hope that the reader does not already know it, the context will reveal it's meaning. Lacking that, hopefully your Funk and Wagnal will suffice to enlighten you.

I can certainly endeavor to use smaller ones if it poses a challenge for you, but it is an effort to do so beyond a certain point.

Evidently my thinly veiled criticism of the namecalling and inane spouting here hit a nerve for you to respond so. I reject your reference to this textual mudfight as a debate. A debate has defined rules and a coherent topic. This forum seldom has either let alone both. I also did not realize that in order to post on a topic you must be one of the first ones to see it on the site or so you imply by your comment about the "middle of a conversation".
It may surprise you to know that I am not new to anything here. I have been posting here for as many years as it has been possible (I believe that it was about 5 years ago that the site was enhanced to permit this - not sure on the dates for this) but I am loathe to post just to see my nickname on a website as this thrill lost its novelty for me a long time ago so I tend to restrict my contributions to topics that interest me or that I know enough about to form an actual opinion.

Alas, I am not an editor or cool dude. I am realy quite boring in almost every way. If my language belies this, then please accept my apologies for unintentionally misleading you. In fact I am always surprised when someone else sees value in my words, maybe this is just my deepseated insecurity or some childhood trauma...my therapist may know...

I generally do however, know what I am talking about as I try to only get into discussions about topics that I understand. You may find that a bit arrogant...probably it is just that.

Your use of the word Rhetoric to describe my post reveals a woefull lack of reading comprehension (you didn't test well there did you). I did in fact have a point (even if my presentation was a bit elaborate as is my wont) that you can either disagree with or agree with. Yet instead you attack (modus operandi). Maybe if you whip out that Funk and Wagnal that you boast of you can dig out the meaning and respond to the point instead of the poster or the presenation.

I will lay one more little thing on you and this is a quote that I coined today.
"Incivility is the retreat of the ingnorant, frustrated by their own shortcomings" - Reap_r 2006

If I didn't hate Haiku so much I would throw one of those it too.

Oh shut up! Neener Neener!

Well I can't possibly come back from that...so I will shut-up now :-) unless you want the Haiku...

Funk and Wagnal! lmao...

Ah, now that brings back memories...

Beware the fickle finger of fate...

And hey... lighten up, man. I see your point about keeping things on topic and civil, which in itself is good, but it should not disallow joking around a bit with your mates. Most of the reparte between rijp and I is just that.

Nothing wrong with having fun, right? I really hope that fun (even of the less mature variety) does not equate to a lack of intellect in your eyes. It would be a pity, considering most highly intelligent people are seen by the rest of the world as a tad...eccentric.

I see your point there...I might do better to take myself less seriously...and in fact, I really was asking for it with the first post. Trolling for idjits is not really sporting anyway. I just edited the post to remove the troll-bait.

I actually try to have fun myself and find that sometimes others find my diatribes humorous especially if they know me.

And no, nothing wrong with having fun at all. That in no way lessens someone's intellect but if that is all there is that we can see, that hides that shining intellect from the rest of us...share the wealth man!

Sorry, I said I would shut-up...well there is always the "Nuclear Option" (Haiku)

Haiku is not bad
Sadly, not many agree
As I'm sure you've seen.

Cheap

SHiNE//

GRID computing's throwing its shadow, growing ever larger . . .

And how convenient that would be!

No more worries about serial numbers, DRM or other means to secure an income. If the user won't have but a monitor, a keyboard, maybe a printer and NET access - they will just charge you for what you use on their servers.

Total control would be too sweet - wouldn'nt it?

Yahoo logo: "You can get there from here"

Google logo: "WE are almost as good as Yahoo"

You don't leave your wallet in your car, when you have it repaired do you? Most likely not, but you will leave other items occasionally, that are not as important, or as personal. This is what GDrive is for.

Dude you still have a wallet? That is Soooo 90's.

We live in electronic age, you old dinosaur.

Really? Where do you keep your driver's license and all those "electronic age" credit and debit cards then? :P

hahahaha, thats rich.

I'd never store my personnal data in the hands of a huge corp. like google. It's a fact the government and google are working together to create the matrix.

Exactly my point.

Simply, i don't trust anyone.. holding my data..

Can I hold your data?

myvce2006@hotmail.com

hmm.. hotmail. Google ad, and he is posting his hotmail account.

SPAM! I think I should sign him up for a whole bunch of stuff..

My mp3 player with file storage capabilities already has this beat hands down since i never leave home without it.

Many of you forget Google is an advertising company thats where their money comes from and these freebies are just the sales mans ploy to figure out what is the most likely thing to put in front of you to get you to buy i for one would not be surprised if a profile is created on users of these freebies to achive just that.

Sorry but i just look at Google and see the ultimate spyware/adware company by pretending to be everyones friend and observing them in the back ground to see what works best on them.

Don't forget Google is a for profit buisness with shareholders to keeps happy and don't bother offering me a foil hat Google sent me link for where to buy one after using their search a couple times;)

>>>Don't forget Google is a for profit buisness with shareholders to keeps happy>>>

Just remember, their not doing a good job at that, they don't give out alot of financial info, they don't do projections, all the info need to make a good and sound purchase isn't there, they really don't seem to care about their shareholders all that much. If they were to bomb in one business quarter, no one would really know the full impact till google released the small amount of info that they do release.

Googles making money hand over fist so of course the can get away with that for now but if they started bombing 3-4 quarters are you trying to say that won't change as shareholders start making noise to find out whats going on.

With not doing the projections themselves, they are allowing other groups to do it for them which cause alot of problems. Not only are third-party projects inaccurate, they are often higher and when google doesn't meet those projections, they take a hit in stock price. This actually happend not to long ago, google took a hit when they release their earnings and didn't make these projections, which cost their share holders cash.

If they do these projections themselves, they can prevent that problem, and if they really do tank, shareholders can react better and it would save google a number of legal and financial problems afterwards..

That's it! Google Desktop search is coming off right NOW... Oh no, it won't uninstall, sy s t e m c r a s h i n g. M u st fight the evil curley cueued and colorful monster before it sucks the life out of my once semi-autonomous laptop.

Isn't it funny too that Google desktop beta is one of the other Beta news frontpage stories at the moment. Steer clear...

This is what I call schizophrenia.. someone who replies to their own post!

Afariad of the "Edit" Button...I'm sure there's a name for it somewhere...

You must be afraid of the backspace key too.. cause you mispelled terribly.

Be sure the spell check carefully to make sure you don't any words out.

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>>>The company accidentally leaked speaker's notes>>>

I am guessing this has been said, but for a service that will have to be uber secure...thats not the way to start off. It doesn't really show a very secure organized company if stuff is "accidentally" leaked.

Plus, couldn't the government go to google for your files instead of telling you to give them the files. Along the same lines of the desktop search problem?

No thanks Google. I prefer storing my data on CD or DVD.

No to side with Google (because everyone knows they are evil) but CD/DVD discs are NOT permanent storage. They will deteriorate over time, so don't go putting ALL you critical data on a CD thinking it will be there 10 years from now, because chances are, it won't.

Just FYI.

I think google has nothing but the best intentions with our data, they are trying to make your data centralized.

In other words if you are at a friends house or at work or on a new laptop you just bought 30 seconds ago. You have all your data right there, what's wrong with that? As long as it's encrypted, password protected, it's free and a large amount of storage. It's not like google is taking over the world and the only option is to store all your data on their servers so they own you.

also keep in mind that there are many companies out there that are doing all these things already, the problem is they are doing it very badly have given the concept a bad name and google knows this. So what's wrong with doing something right for a change and on top of it charging nothing?

go google! Make the computer your vision instead of microsoft, I know you deserve the cash more then Microsoft, because you actually do good with it!

Have you read any of the other posts on here? Google has THEIR own intentions in mind, not yours. If you think they are doing you a favor, I have an island I would like to sell you off the coast of Louisiana.

They are an advertising company. They are making a profit someplace, if not from you, someone is paying them.

They are using this data to track you and create a profile. I wouldn't trust Google to give me the weather. If Google says its raining in my area, I am going to the nearest windows, opening it, and sticking my hand outside to check.

Do not think for one minute Google, or any free base company, has your best interest at heart.

That's the very definition of gullible.

Now give me your betanews password, so I can check to ensure its secure.

As though we don't have enough companies storing (and loosing) our data online as it is....

"The company accidentally leaked speaker's notes from CEO Eric s***'s appearance at its analyst event"
Gee, I think I should trust them with my data then.

That's different, that's on paper. ;)

LOL. That's a good one! :D

I'm guessing it wasn't an "accident". More like a way to tell people without having a huge press release. :)

Shhhhhh....

Or you can just setup a VPN server, so when you are away from your home, you can connect and save files on YOUR network hard drive.

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't this already been done by someone else? I know that there are some pay-for services that let you have a "virtual drive" online. Xdrive.com for example. This sounds like old technology that google's trying to jump on.

When Google mails me a free 10Tb HD that I can install in my system, only then will they become the "future" of my data storage.

You would have to be an absolute and total moron to let Google store your data. I don't care what it is.

Favorites I don't car about. Pictures of friends, family, etc I do care about. All of my documents home movies, etc....don't need to be anywhere but on my PC.

I have a closed network at home and I keep all my important data on a PC that does not have Internet Access. The 2PC's that do access the internet don't have jack on them anyway.

Oh, by the way, I'm the former "ServerMechanic". :)

Google is the Devil!

Was wonderin' where you ran off to.

Paranoid as always, I see. ;)

Whazzup with the new alias, man? Hiding out from the Feds? I'm no rocket scientist, but I think you just blew your cover...

your an idot, i would let google store my data way before i would let micro$oft. They scams people everyday by making them pay for there operating system and office app. What does google charge you for?? Microsoft wants to steal peoples data.
Operating System: Fedora Core 5 (Test 3)
Office: OpenOffice.org 2.0.1

People don't need microsoft.

roflmao...

Hey, Dirt! Ya hooked one!

Pull! Pull!

One day I could no longer post anything under my old account. I'm guessing someone from Betanews doesn't like me due to some of my posts. :)

I made a mistake one evening and posted a couple of 'Weeeeeeee's' that flew out beyond the table of the Betanews site and the next day I couldn't post.

I shouldn't have abused the site like that and I will not be doing it again.

I figured Joe Dirt was quick and easy :-D

Peace bro!

Why did you change your name?

And your new name says it all..

Redneck and still ignorant.

OK, thanks for playing.

The entire world uses Microsoft, but we dont' need it.. Yeah.

What planet are you on?

-I figured Joe Dirt was quick and easy :-D-

Hey! Just like your mother...

Now their going to far.

I dont' care how attractive or how fast it is, there is *NO* way I am leaving my personal data on someeone else's drive. That's not cool.

Its a good idea to backup (encrypted, password protected zip/compressed files) but not just leaving naked data residing on someone else drive to snoop. I don't think so.

Why would a service designed to hold only bookmarks, emails, history, and pictures have any of your backups or financial documents?

It wouldn't.

You did read the article, right?

Unless, of course, you have something against your bookmarks being accessible on other computers... ;) (and since you use Yahoo for that, you apparently don't)

Everyone seems to be reading so much into this. it's not for backup, it's not for personal documents....it's for bookmarks, pics, and email.

Does anyone really have bookmarks that are *that* personal???

I think you need to reread it.

"Google would initially like to store e-mails, Web history, pictures and bookmarks -- much like Microsoft's Windows Live service -- eventually moving toward storing "100% of user data"

100% user data.

-Why would a service designed to hold only bookmarks, emails, history, and pictures have any of your backups or financial documents?

It wouldn't. -

OH.

-You did read the article, right?-

Nope. :)

-Unless, of course, you have something against your bookmarks being accessible on other computers... ;) (and since you use Yahoo for that, you apparently don't)-

That is correct.

-Everyone seems to be reading so much into this. it's not for backup, it's not for personal documents....it's for bookmarks, pics, and email.-

AH maybe so, but introductory may be ONLY for those items, but that's how they sucker you in..

-Does anyone really have bookmarks that are *that* personal???-

Yes, damnit.. I have bookmarks so secret, even I don't know what they are..

OK, ok.. so its not that personal. Got it. Besides, they may search my bookmarks and find my info for stuff, if I wanted to share, I would post my bookmarks in a forum. Its not personal that bothers me, its giving some service access to YOUR files, emails, and bookmarks.

Yeah, I actually got that.

Also read beyond that and saw:

"any data held would only be with the user's permission."

So...there ya go. At will. :)

"AH maybe so, but introductory may be ONLY for those items, but that's how they sucker you in.."

...and there ya go holding something against them they have never done.

"its giving some service access to YOUR files, emails, and bookmarks."

Some services... Google, in particular, not Yahoo, eh?

Seriously:

If you did a pro-con list of Yahoo vs. Google, would it be a wash? Feature for feature, I think it comes down, in the end, to personal taste and biases for or against, doesn't it?

We both know where eachother's biases lie, but don't they basically offer the same sh1t?

-So...there ya go. At will. :)-

Which one is Will?

Dunno, never met the guy. I think he's too busy being fired upon.

Everybody acts like this is something new. When Gmail came out somebody developed a shell program that did exactly what they are going to come out with. It worked really well, it looked like another drive in 'my computer' and the files where basically attachments sent from yourself (with a prefex in the subject for gdrive to filter from normal email.) But mysteriously the application stopped working (google blocked the port?) and the app download is no where to be found. Weird...

http://fileforum.betanew...Mail_Drive/1097807577/1

That it?

Read the posts below. We were already on about that hack.

This is a service, not a gmail hack written bgy an unknown.

Big difference.

all these gDrive n gNet stuff sounds nothing but scary to me. with ppl trusting goo.......gle so much i believe it takes just one evil staff and all the private data of ppl are gone, or sold.

If you don't want a redundant backup of your data then don't store it, that simple. If you are concerened about privacy then don't post here you never know who is reading or trying to hack into your computer.

Be smart, backup your critical data on Thumb drives and store it in a bank.

How is this going to work with everyone’s upload speed being so slow?

Also, is this data going to be encrypted?

"to store e-mails, Web history, pictures and bookmarks"

None of the above takes enormous amounts of bandwidth. :)

Its about damn time people started thinking about upload speeds. Ive been jonesen for faster upload speeds for 2 years.

"to store e-mails, Web history, pictures and bookmarks"

So true,but in the future I want to store music,videos,and books online. Then I will use my cell to stream my playlists to the stereo in my car.Watch my videos on TV instead of using a dvd player. Then at the end of a long day Ill read my books off of electronic paper.I hate the future it takes to long to get here.

Sorry, figured you'd read the article...my bad:

The beginning of the above quote I posted:

"Google would initially like..."

So, in the future, presumably, you *will* be able to use GDrive for music, video's and books...assuming bandwidth can keep up with the demands, and I expect they will.

As for your cell, TV, and E-Paper, Google can't help ya there. ;)

Good point.

Pass. My idea of remote storage is getting a 1TB Wifi-enabled box and sticking it in my closet. And I'm not even going to do that until Wifi speeds pick up. 54Mbps? Hah, no thanks.

N is 250 meg.. 1TB? You are using some really good narcotics.

So basically you are going to stick with local hard drive, or a locally connected USb drive, because you are insistent on making it wireless, so people can snoop your data... and hack your device.. Good thinking.

And, 1 TB is something you will never, ever, ever use. Period. Do you even utilize a 100 mb connection now? I seriously doubt it.

On a good data, transferring files across a 100 mb network using the best router, 2 very fast SCSI machines with dual-nics STILL won't exceed capacity of more than 80% utilization of 100 meg network. 1 Gigabyte, who needs those speeds? Backbones MAYBE, but personal use, bah!

Get real!

Geeez... What the h*ck will they think of next??? G-Mail? =T

Google is really trying to take over the Internet. I'm pretty sure one day that they're buy out Internet2 and rename it to GNet.

Nah...just gNet, with a silent G.

Kinda like MicrosoftSucks (with a silent "Sucks"). ;P

Haha! =D

I couldn't help but to laugh at that one.

You mean i've been mispronouncing it all this time?

Yeah, a lot of people forget the "sucks" part is silent.

Hmm, I don't store any evil plans on my computer but I *do* store all my financial documents, tax history, ssn, credit card numbers, sensitive company documents, medical history, etc. on my machine.

Aside from identify theft, my biggest worry would be when the contruction workers across the street cut my cable/dsl line or a hardware failure in the switching center takes my connection down. Or what about when you hit up the hotel/convention center and oopps, their wireless is down or everyone is limited to dial-up speeds.

Sounds ok for non-critical things but as a primary location for files I have grave doubts.

I am quite sure you will be the one deciding what gets uploaded. Not uploading your financial documents or SSN would fall under common sense, if I am not mistaken.

Though, I seem to recall hearing he(Common Sense) died recently....

Yeah, another good point.

Data and personal stuff aside, if you rely on the remote storage for files, that's when the link goes down..

So you can't even boot your machine, because that cable/dsl line is cut.. that's a VERY real scenario..

I'm sure there will be some ROM embedded OS sufficient enough to pop up a warning telling you it can't boot becuase it can't connect.

Of course, it will be in dev-speak, so no-one will understand it...

Yeah. It'll happen. Hopefully Cable/DSL lines will be a hell of a lot more reliable by then. :)

-Yeah. It'll happen. Hopefully Cable/DSL lines will be a hell of a lot more reliable by then. :)-

They do, its called T1, T3, DS3.. etc. If you want to pay, you can get reliablity. I don't expect cable to become more reliable. If anything, it will become ancillary.

telcos are gonna whomp cable's a** anyway here pretty quick.

I have had DSL service at my house for about 2 1/2 years now with only 1 service interruption becuase I crossed a few lines in a wee little box of wires I probably shouldn't have been messing around in. (But the light-show was nice)

Almost went for a T1 a few years back. Had the setup fees and worked out the monthly cost with the telco and everything. Got an offer for a much better job, moved and didn't really want to go through all of that again...

But still, for a flat fee of $2500 and ~$80 a month, hell... I should have stayed. :P I'm paying more than that for 2 phone lines and DSL now.

One word, SLOW. Even with DSL it would never be practical. Second how much are hard drives now? They are practically giving away 400GB hard disks these days. With Blu-Ray/HD-DVD coming up I give this a big MEH.

"They are practically giving away 400GB hard disks these days."

I'll take one of those, since you're giving them away.

Practical? Why not? Documents, images, emails, bookmarks, web-history... all of these things take up very little space individually, and would upload over Dial-up even quite nicely.

Now, a 700MB ISO file might be different, but that's not what they are looking for, either.

Right?

Check eBay; of course they aren't actually giving them away but compared to prices in the past they are dirt cheap.

"Documents, images, emails, bookmarks, web-history... all of these things take up very little space"

So why store them on a GDrive? They would fit on a floppy disk for Pete's sake; for today's hard drives they are completely insignificant. There are also USB thumb drives if you need to take them with you. I just don't really see the point.

Easy. USB thumb drives cost money and can be lost.

Floppy disks require floppy drives, which are becoming more and more rare.

Meanwhile, GDrive will cost nothing and will be, presumeably, as easy to use as your current hard drive.

No external device, no lost disks, access it from anywhere. See the point now?

*THEY* not *HIM* are giving away 400 GM drives.

He is correct, they are very reasonably priced.

So if you have a local hard drive, why upload? Personally, the time and effort it takes to upload and delay, and worrying about where my data ACTUALLY ends up, I will take the 400 gb local drive, thanks.

700 mb ISO, doesn't matter, I will still rather store it locally.

Besides, we already have a solution for bookmarks, web-history, emails, images and documents, its called Yahoo.

I have been using

bookmarks.yahoo.com
search.yahoo.com
email.yahoo.com

And they have a place to store datafiles, zip files, and various text files.. for FREE.

I have been using these features for years.

I have said it once, and I will say it again, Google makes it seem like they are inventing something, they are not. They are a big name, and all of a sudden these previous unknown features make it to the front page, but they are anything BUT new.

-Easy. USB thumb drives cost money and can be lost.-

What if GDrive goes down? What if you forget your password? What if your connection goes down for any length of time.. Same thing, you LOST your data (at least for the short term)

You can lose your checkbook, credit card, ATM, thumb drive, all replaceable. Its not the PRIMARY drive, its backup or portable storage.

-Floppy disks require floppy drives, which are becoming more and more rare.-

Or non-existent

Meanwhile, GDrive will cost nothing and will be, presumeably, as easy to use as your current hard drive.-

nothing.. YET!!. Once they see millions use their service and need 10 gig of storage, that's when GMail sends you an e-bill.. You rely on it, they charge for something you NEED.

-No external device, no lost disks, access it from anywhere. See the point now?-

1 word. Notebook. Case Closed.

Wow.

You're *way* too high-strung these days. What are you eating?

Thanks for the info on Yahoo. Didn't know about them, perhaps they should advertise?

Still, I already use Google for searchjing and email, so I'll probably stick with 'em for bookmarks and such...(probably end up being built into FireFox at some point anyway)

"And they have a place to store datafiles, zip files, and various text files.. for FREE. "

Please point me to this service. I've been looking for something a bit better than my usb-stick for my tech-docs.

"I have said it once, and I will say it again, Google makes it seem like they are inventing something, they are not. They are a big name, and all of a sudden these previous unknown features make it to the front page, but they are anything BUT new."

True. But I never heard of any of Yahoo's offerings until you mentioned them. So... who's fault is it? Yahoo's for not marketing, or Googles for doing so?

*shrug*

But seriously, you need to relax a bit, man. :)

"What if GDrive goes down?"

Well then you use your backup. :) Just like if your USB drive crashed....but you don't have to carry GDrive around.

"nothing.. YET!!. Once they see millions use their service and need 10 gig of storage, that's when GMail sends you an e-bill.. You rely on it, they charge for something you NEED."

Bah. I call BS, man. They have yet to charge for anything that they've labeled as free...no matter how many users they've gotten. There's no history with Google to back up this klind of accusation.

"1 word. Notebook. Case Closed."

lmao... Okay. You got me there. But not everyone uses 'em.

You know it's sad the bookmarks.yahoo.com exists and I didnt even know about it. I have noticed yahoo does have some good services, of course a lot of these are very limited unless you want to pay them for it of course.

One thing I do love about google is that they have some great services and products, for free. There are not very many companies you can say that about. I have no doubt that once google really gets established and moves to all the arena's they want, they will dominate just about all of them as well. I mean look at yahoo for all the stuff they have, are they really doing that well are most of the services even known about? On the other hand google has a few products but the list is growing and they are usually great. I will take gmail anyday of yahoo, hotmail or any other free email service. I don't know if you have a gmail account but they are great! I would never use anything else. 2701 Mb's of email storage and counting great new interface ads that are barely even noticable free pop access unlimited filters they do have ads yes but at least has something to do with what your doing.

I love google I hope they continue to inovate because they do it so well, and make a mockery of Ms and almost all other software companies out there and do it all, for free to the customers using them!

-You're *way* too high-strung these days. What are you eating?-

Frito's care for some? moi? high-strung. haha. Not! I like pushing people's buttons.. :)

-Thanks for the info on Yahoo. Didn't know about them, perhaps they should advertise?-

There is that, but also if you use Yahoo as extensively as I do, you find out a lot of stuff they don't mention. That's why I keep saying, Yahoo is the best. And you thought I was just being biased.

-"And they have a place to store datafiles, zip files, and various text files.. for FREE. "

Please point me to this service. I've been looking for something a bit better than my usb-stick for my tech-docs.-

I can't remember the name or the link its been a while since I used it, but they give you 10 meg (maybe more now) to store ANYTHING you want, AND they have more room for pictures. Its something like storage.yahoo.com or data.yahoo.com.. I can't remember the link I was looking, but I do have files out there, zip, text, documents.. I was using it like 5 years ago when I was traveling, and I didn't have a laptop.. and it worked well.

But seriously, you need to relax a bit, man. :)-

I am relaxed.. haha. You just THINK I am stressed, believe me, this forum isn't enough to get my worked up, even though I seem that way online. I am having fun with people.

What kind of work do you do? Are you independently wealthy? you are on ALL the time...

- There's no history with Google to back up this klind of accusation. -

Fine but there is always the first time. Just wait, when it becomes profitable, they will start charging a "nominal service fee".. that's where it starts.

Even Yahoo charges for Pop3 email. Its 20 bucks a year, but they do charge. So far that's the ONLY thing I paid Yahoo for. Ironically, I don't use it anymore, because I have 2 gig mailbox.. so I don't need to save it on my computer....

MOre importantly, who can and will access this information with or without your permission.

A supoena in the hands of someone could render this information to them. This has been happening already, and the ramifications are yet to be seen. Google won't have a leg to stand on with their privacy issues.

So Gmail is still not profitable?

heh...just because Yahoo does it, doesn't mean Google will....maybe Google's better than that. ;)

LOL.

I suppose that depends on how you define wealth. Of course, I'm not going to post financial information here...that would be Evil.

*grin*

No, I'm not here all the time, just about 20 minutes 6 times a day. ;) (Except weekends...I have better thnigs to do, ya know)

-You know it's sad the bookmarks.yahoo.com exists and I didnt even know about it. I have noticed yahoo does have some good services, of course a lot of these are very limited unless you want to pay them for it of course. -

That tells me you are guessing on how it works, and have NOT actually tried it. I have been using Yahoo pretty much exclusively for about 15 years. Yes 15. 15 years, no not months, years, yes I am sane, no I am not crazy, yes that figure is correct.

now, I had 2 gig mailbox when Google introduced 100 meg. I had bookmark backup for about 10 years, been using it for years with no problem. I can sychronize data, bookmarks, files for FREE. I can save my email on the web emai for FREE. EVerything is Free. Been using it fine, customize home page, links, lots of stuff with Yahoo FREE.

Nothing is limited or crippled. Even the desktop search from yahoo is better than other desktop searches. I have a PDA, guess what, Yahoo includes a FREE synchronize software for Outlook AND yahoo mail, for what? FREE!

So don't tell me that other services are not as full featured, because I *WILL* correct you. Yahoo is the best service, period, I don't give a damn what everyone else says.

Google is playing catchup. Yahoo has been doing ALL this other stuff for many years, because I have been using it.

you love google because you fell for their wonderful advertising that made it seem like they have features for free that were "new and discovered". but its just not true.

They don't innovate crap, they copy. They don't make a mockery of MS, they steal other technology, so get your facts straight boy.

Another shining example that Google is Evil.

So what the hell do you do already?

you are being vague and secretive, what are you, CIA?

Briefcase! That's it..

briefcase.yahoo.com. You can save files and zip files, AND share them with friends, and even pick and choose security to lock certain files and folders, and not others.

Yahoo is the best service, Google is just some punk service with a big daddy credit card.

Nah...punk service with a Marketing Department.

Get it right. ;P

I'll look at that breifcase thing... Looks like it could be useful. Although, I suppose I could use GoogleBase. ;)

Just cuz it's better. *grin*

Like I want to discuss work in my free-time?

:P

Network Admin. The Big Guy. I run the Show, I control the Servers, all your base are belong to me. (Well, if you work here, anyway)

And no, I won't say where. I can tell you where I've worked in thepast, but not where I work now....it's just not good to talk about your current place of employment online.

People get fired for that kind of thing.

Nah...it just proves they're better at marketing than Yahoo.

;P

Although I have been checking some of this yahoo business out. Sad thing is...I've been using Google for so long Yahoo seems foreign to me. Heh..

Damn habits.

-all your base are belong to me-

Its US, all your base are belong to US!! You netadmins never get anything right..haha.

you don't have to give us your address.. sheesh!

OK, now you are being c***y!

I learned from the best.

Nah, the originator of the quote simply wasn't ambitious enough. All this pansy "us" crap never got anyone anywhere. ;)

"Right now, due to the way data is stored, the computer and cell phone become more important than Internet services. With centrally located data, the operating system becomes less relevant."

Scary in a way. Centrally stored data means hackers only need to target one place and they can get anything they want. At the same time without local data storage, viruses and malware will have trouble spreading. Think about this though. Now, I don't believe google necessarily would do something evil necessarily, but are we willing to put our trust in them for something like this? I want my data to be my own. Though legally I would still own it, well--when's the last time any large company has done something illegal? Usually at least once a year, whether it be Microsoft, Google, Sony, etc. It happens because they are under the media's microscope, but also because there will always be bad employees and supervisors.

Really? The part that gets me all woozy about this is:

"the operating system becomes less relevant.""

This is, after all, Google's long-term plan, right? To make the OS irrelevant?

Windows....MacOS...Linux...who cares, right? It;s all Google Desktop anyway.

*grin*

Nah...that'd never happen. ;)

hahaha... nah, never..

Careful. I said the same thing about Apple going Intel...

Well Apple should have gone Intel 25 years ago...

Then would ALL be on Mac OS X.

Perhaps.

My hindsight must not be as good as yours...

Usually, those that complaint about privacy issues are those that have illegal stuff on their Hard drives or just have some really private things that do not want anybody to see. This is a great idea if it ever happens. Who cares about all those nasty pics and vids about you and your ex anyway.....If these ever comes out for the pucblic it would be a great way to store all my files that i don't regard as private and Google will probably allow you to select the files to upload. Still there is the bandwith issue. How long will it take to upload 100 gigs of music, videos and photos?

theres already a prog. out there that allows any user to do this ... :P whats the big deal ...
XDrive has done this for a few years now ...
Streamload seems to keep users happy .... now Google ...
i say "Why not" ??

It's already out there, you say?

Free?

with Unlimited storage?

Show me.

yes, i said is already out there ....
and i do recall it being "free"

http://www.viksoe.dk/code/gmail.htm

unlimited storage ...
well ... depends ... being that each gmail account allows for 100 invites .... and each account has 2.6 + gbs .... yeah ... that seems to me like Unlimited storage ...

(altho i dont know where you got this from since i didnt mention it ....)

it is not free they charge about $10 a month. Anyway you can't beat free... unless the product sucks.

Okay...

From TFA:

"storing "100% of user data." (The actual word unlimited is not used here, but was used on both the Ars and Slashdot versions of this article)

Still, even without that, you are comparing a Hack to a dedicated service.

The link you provide leads to a shell-extension. This will work just fine until Google changes the URL to gmail. Which it has done several times, and will likely keep doing. (it's a security thing....) It also assumes you are using windows, and that you don't mind executing code from an unknown source.

What Google offers is much better.

Of course, that's just my opinion. :)

yeah, whats the deal here ....
all this time i said i supported this google service ...
i was just aiming to bash mr. forgie
who's apparently against it ....
lol..... you came out of nowhere attacking left and right ..... GEEEEEHZ

lmao..

Not attacking. I leave that to rijp, man. ;)

Just pointing out a few things.

You claimed the service above already exists. When pressed, you provided a link. The link leads to a hack, not a service, and does not live up to what the GDrive service will provide.

That's all, man. I'm not calling you names or anything. Allright?

-Not attacking. I leave that to rijp, man. ;)-

Somehow there is a sideways, sarcastic remark, in there.. but I just can't seem to put my finger on it...

-That's all, man. I'm not calling you names or anything. Allright?-

OK.. but that doesn't mean I can't! -smirk-

lmao..

I knew you'd catch it. I just didn't think you'd give us examples above it. ;)

I'm saying it wont home 100% of my data. I'm not against the service in general.

Sign on men's bathroom wall:

We aim to please, so you aim too please :)

I aim to please.. :)

It's one thing to let Google provide ads from key words it finds in your emails with GMail, but putting everything on a Google resource? 100% of user data is a big No for me.

lmao...

Yes....sure...

Because your data is *so* sensitive, right? Plans for world domination and what-not, right?

I'm sure you have documentation that would ruin the powers that be. yeah....you definately need to protect your data.

Why is it everyone seems to think they're James Frigging Bond?

Google wants to give me free storage? Great! Since I'm *not* James F. Bond, I've nothing to hide and absolutely zero issues storing my documents on their servers for free so I can access them from anywhere.

(Since I'm not JFB, that'll probably be limited to my home, and my work, but...)

Just remember a few things… when the government came asking for data about searches the first to open their data and let them take it away were Microsoft and Yahoo, and the one that refused to give these data was Google, so I think at this point we know what companies don’t care much about privacy or are afraid of the government.

well i dont want my cred card info or anything on there, and i wouldnt want the gov to have my emails or anything, in the event that the guy i knew from high school or my boss ends up as a top notch terrorist:-P

and other than that all my sensitive data is stored on an encrypted jump drive so i always have that and have no need for this service, as modenr jumpdrives can store up to 2-4GB who really needs more? especially with mp3/mp4 players for music and vids.

dudes, look under your bed, there may be a boogie man waiting for you!!!!!!

No! Shut up, man! That's where he keep the bodies!

u shut up dude, friggin dumba** scarty cat. LOL

Oh man....

I hope there's room under there.... ;P

it isn't about how sensitive my data is, it's that I have a choice of what to store through online resources and what not to. I don't doubt I'd use plenty of online solutions for data, but not 100%. I don't exactly plan to rely on having to be connected just so i can reach my own documents.

there is.......crawl under. maybe when u see the light of day u can come crawling out! or maybe u don't trust the light, might be something else for u to be scared of.

As stated in the article...

"any data held would only be with the user's permission."

They aren't going to store any of your data against yur will, so 100% of user data is an "at will" proposition and will obviously not fit everyone who uses the service.

Nah, I meant for the body.

Like...

Oh, forget it.

This went way over your head before you even got here.

dude, you are one lame brain, who would let you around any tool. be careful when u use yours, know what I mean, when u are using the head.

Clever boy, and in all lower case too.. wow you must really be your parents favorite mistake.

Some people just can't cope with humor, man. It's beyond their ken.

Yes, like you said, "It's over their head before they even got here"

That was good.

1 pt for you.

redeemable for???

I'm aware it's the users choice, but let me ask you if you think you'd ever rely on Google to house 100% of your data and have none of it local. I just think that claiming some users will go 100% is a bit of wishful thinking and not very realistic.