Google Chrome takes more than just inspiration from Mozilla

By Scott M. Fulton, III | Published September 2, 2008, 12:02 PM


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FOTW - Google Chrome 0.2A few of the names appearing in Google's promotional "graphic novel" for the first beta of its own Web browser, may ring bells for anyone who was a beta tester of Firefox 3. So just what kind of browser war does Google plan to wage?

A check of the names appearing in Google's unique introductory comic book for its new Google Chrome browser, whose beta is expected for wide release today, reveals that the new open source browser, which promises fundamental architectural changes to the nature of browsing itself, has more in common with Mozilla's Firefox 3 than just inspiration. Software engineers Ben Goodger, Darin Fisher, and Pam Greene are all prominently featured as presenters in the graphic promo; and all three were credited as principal contributors to Firefox's latest version.

"As excited as we are about building Google Chrome, it's important to help all browsers become more powerful -- to keep evolving with the Web and continuing to build a solid foundation for modern Web applications," reads the final page of the comic book, in a passage whose "voice" is shared with a hand-drawn character representing Greene. "We owe a great debt to other open source browser projects, especially Mozilla and Webkit. This is our contribution, and we hope people will take some of these ideas, too; challenge them, build on them, and keep moving the Web forward."

It's publicly known, though not often publicly shared, that many of the Mozilla organization's developers are actually employed full-time by other organizations. Goodger and Fisher, for instance -- who have remained relatively prominent in Firefox development -- were hired by Google back in January 2005. Though the hiring was largely played as though Google had hired them "away" from Mozilla, in the vein of hiring developers "away" from Microsoft (which is another story), Mozilla to this point has been content to share its braintrust with Google and other major employers, in the interest of open source development.

But Google's latest move in actually building a competitive browser, whose architecture includes the Webkit rendering engine used by Apple's Safari, plus a completely new JavaScript engine called V8 that will indeed compete with Mozilla's new TraceMonkey -- a highly anticipated feature of Firefox 3.1 -- makes one wonder whether Google's policy truly does resemble Microsoft's after all: keeping its friends close, but its enemies closer. Just last week, it was revealed that Google extended its investment in the Mozilla Foundation for another three years, ensuring one of Mozilla's key sources of revenue for funding its continued development of a product that it persists in giving away for free.

A key architectural feature of Google Chrome will be its treatment of each tabbed Web page as a separate process, with plug-ins and JavaScript engines bound directly to the tab rather than to the window as a whole. This way, when Adobe Reader or Flash or Apple QuickTime crashes -- as it may still be prone to do -- the browser window persists, with only the impacted tab becoming "sad."

Such architecture has not been planned, as far as we know, for a specific future version of Firefox; although Mozilla Labs does maintain a handful of independent, open source projects which delve into possible future directions for browser architecture, without any precise timeline or commitment to ship. With Chrome becoming an official beta project of Google, its architectural innovations could very well acquire the timelines that Mozilla Labs lacks, which could mean that Google may be first to "ship" with ideas that the Labs' contributors -- who do not appear to be associated with Google -- are still treating as embryonic.

With Google Pack being an effective distribution tool for Mozilla Firefox, it's worth pondering whether it could eventually find itself replaced?

"First, browsers need to be stable," reads a passage from the graphic promo attributed to Darin Fisher. "When you're writing an important e-mail or editing a document, a browser crash is a big deal."

"And we want browsers to find that sweet spot between too many features and too few, with a clean, simple, and efficient user interface," Ben Goodger's character continues.

If stability and simplicity have been priorities for browser development from Goodger's and Fisher's vantage point, Mozilla may want to ask itself, to whom do these developers feel most aligned when priorities are at issue?

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I would like to say I have all 3 Browser's and to me Google,Chrome is the fastest it;s clear and simple with no hang ups I love it. The Beta version of Windows IE 8 is a nightmare it won't allow you sign in in windows live or Google mail it is like a drunking duck if you pardon the pun it's all over the place I just hope it's not just me that has the problem.

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Chrome, IE, FF....blah, blah, blah. All this talk about the "Big 3". Have any of you tried Opera lately? Perhaps you should give it a try.

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TMW, they all have their merits but none have got it just right yet. We use the one that is best suited to our needs.

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IE and FF have more market share.

Market share = people using the product.

The point of comparison is to compare one product with another that people might actually be familiar with.

Regardless of anyone's feelings about Opera, it does not have enough market share to warrant a comparison, because the majority of the people out there are simply not familiar with it.

BTW: Since when is Chrome one of *any* "Big 3"??

It's only been out a day or so.

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Love the speed of this browser. I'm concerned about all the hard drive activity it is doing when it is idle. Anyone have any idea why it is doing this. I have uninstalled it for this reason. It is up to something but I don't know what. I do know that it is Chrome though. Lack of addon's like No Squint and AdBlock are a deal breaker. I will try it again after the next release.

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Itr is up to something - and like M$ is trying to absorb your computer. As I said it tries to add swg to the startup - I deny this using Spybot Teatimer. I'm tempted to sandbox this app when I get a chance.

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And so it begins...

This is where Google fragments the anti-MS market, and destroys Firefox, themselves, and maybe even Safari when the fires subside.

Offering NO new features, just rip offs from FF3 and IE8, and a 'fast' but poor quality engine that Safari uses. (Safari has enough wrong with it, even Mac users often turn to FF, from broken unicode to 100s of other basic problems.)

The good side(if you are Google), Google gets to put their fingers into EVERY site you visit on the internet, not just what you 'Google', or what FireFox already reports back from the Search bar, but whatever the browser 'logs' what to track.

Sad, Google is a MARKETING company, and already puts their fingers into way too much, from GMail reading to IP and AD tracking which IE8 prevents.

Microsoft is the only one offering the product that protects end users from corporations, how sad is this?

Google, Do no evil, my ass...

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This is where Google fragments the anti-MS market, and destroys Firefox, themselves, and maybe even Safari when the fires subside.

Where'd you get the Crystal Ball, Jr?

Offering NO new features, just rip offs from FF3 and IE8, and a 'fast' but poor quality engine that Safari uses. (Safari has enough wrong with it, even Mac users often turn to FF, from broken unicode to 100s of other basic problems.)

No need to mention the bevy of developers of Google backing the fixing of bugs and addition of features? Webkit could be excellent, it just needs a push and a polish. Google can deliver.

The good side(if you are Google), Google gets to put their fingers into EVERY site you visit on the internet, not just what you 'Google', or what FireFox already reports back from the Search bar, but whatever the browser 'logs' what to track.

Sad, Google is a MARKETING company, and already puts their fingers into way too much, from GMail reading to IP and AD tracking which IE8 prevents


Amazingly some folks, who don't block them outright, would rather have the ads be somewhat relevant.

Google, Do no evil, my ass...

What evil? Really.

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Nice browser but Gmail is not working behinde ISA.

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Actually they ripped off at least as much from IE8 as they did from FF.

Take for example the architecture to do process per tab... that has been planned for IE8 for a long time and was publicly blogged in March:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie...ly-coupled-ie-lcie.aspx

(Yes, the implementation is different but the concept is the same.)

Also, they're "incognito" mode is the same as IE's "InPrivate" mode (also missing from stock FF).

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Actually, it imports flashblock from your FF install. It works like a charm. Now, to get Ad Block Plus to work and it will a Very Good Thing.

My bad. I was mistaking the playback button for FB.

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I find this browser, as it is great so far. I've been reading comments on how featureless it is, missing no script, flash block, etc...

As much as I like Firefox, I can't stand some of the fanboys. Not everyone cares for those features, and they shouldn't rate this browser based on those criteria, rather on how good it is for what it stands.

All my bookmarks imported perfectly from FF, even betanews. The speed is incredible. The only thing I miss is adblock, which every browser has to some extent up to date.

But, it is fairly new, and I think it needs to grow a bit more.

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Yeah...I don't care how it it is, or is projected to be...with Google's history of collecting, archiving and giving away of private information, I won't be using this anytime soon.

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Woohoo! Apple and the Webkit team are to thank for this! Google chose the same engine that powers Safari: Webkit. http://www.webkit.org Google has many reasons for choosing Webkit: Easier to develop apps around, simplistic and intuitive, easier bug fixing and blazing rendering speeds are just a few to mention.

I can't wait for the Mac version which you know is going to be even faster and better!


Apple: "If you spend more time trying to get your computer to work and less time doing what you want, it’s time to get a Mac. Because Apple makes both the software and the hardware, everything works together, just as it should. That’s why people who get a Mac love a Mac. And why you will, too."

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"I can't wait for the Mac version which you know is going to be even faster and better!"

Thanks for the scoop! Now go back to your looney world.

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Something I guess, but howdy get his post showing
in bold here on my box--rhetorical, mostly.

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Same engine have same problem. I am basically a native Tamil guy. I am not in a posistion to enter the UNICODE Tamil characters properly in Apple Safari the same problems happens with this chrome as well although both displayed the Tamil UNICODE Characters properly. Google need to address this issue.

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Use b in brackets for bold. Just like in HTML. (but with square brackets)
[ b ] Bold Text [ / b ]

:D

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this article has nothing to do with Apple nor OS X smartass

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Thank you

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better than explorer not even a contest with firefox 3.

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You joking? It is significantly faster.

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eeh you may want to test Chrome again. It may not have all the nifty features found in Firefox but it sure hell is a lot faster.

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It isn't. It uses some smoke and mirrors to appear faster. You may want to note how long you're presented with a white screen whilst it loads a site in the background and how the scrolling has been speeded up....

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I figure I'll put my 2 cents in ...

I've been using Google Chrome for a few hours now and it's doing everything IE, FF can do.
It's still beta so things will get improved
and changed as time moves on.

Bottom line ... it works ...

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I think some people are missing what this is. This is not currently a new browser, this is an idea for how a new browser might use these new technologies. Plus it is a beta.

Bruce below says it wouldn't give a choice of what bookmarks to import, mine sure did (yes it could be clearer as there was only a blue link to change the options). I agree with Bruce there was no option of where to install it, which sucks, otherwise install went very smoothly.

marty mentioned that he couldn't close the browser using the exit tab but that worked just fine for me. Also upon re-start it kept everything as is, even what I was typing here when I closed it.

I wish the GUI was customizable as I don't want the bookmarks bar but don't see how to access bookmarks without having it there (on the right also!)
Fonts in my menu for bookmarks look ugly when highlighted.
It has an interesting look to it and seems to work quickly.

I like the New Tab page idea, that needs to be an FF extension right away. Otherwise I haven't used it very much so not much to say. I don't see me using it full time though because it doesn't do what FF does (namely the extensions).
I think the GUI direction though is refreshing.

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Agree with the poster below.

1) No options that I could see during install
2) Wanted to install Google own "phone home" code - blocked using Comodo firewall.
3) Somewhat chilling indication that Google wants (and mostly has) "own" the Interest. No wonder Ballmer has been reported as having a s..t fit whne Google is mentioned in his presence.
5) Can't close the browser using the exit tab in the upper left corner of every program. Have to close it from the task bar.

Even after it closed still tried to modify at least 4 protected registry keys. Allowed this (but NOT as a trusted application) because I was sure it would completely fail otherwise.

But most interestingly:

5) Imported all FF bookmarks EXCEPT for Betanews!

Will use Revo Unistaller to get rid of it bye and

It does promise to be pretty fast because according to the video on its home page Javascript was tweaked

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"2) Wanted to install Google own "phone home" code - blocked using Comodo firewall."

It's not exactly "phone home"...chrome downloads a listing of malware/spyware websites from googles database so it could block those for you. I wouldn't expect you to read the feature set to actually know that though...I'd expect people like you to think exactly like you're thinking...you're being "watched".

"3) Somewhat chilling indication that Google wants (and mostly has) "own" the Interest. No wonder Ballmer has been reported as having a s..t fit whne Google is mentioned in his presence."

????

"5) Can't close the browser using the exit tab in the upper left corner of every program. Have to close it from the task bar."

First...what happened to 4? Second...I have no problems closing it form the X button on the top right...neither do any of my coworkers that installed it.

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"It's not exactly "phone home"...chrome downloads a listing of malware/spyware websites from googles database so it could block those for you."

Analysed the traffic have you? Given Googles blase attitude to privacy, I couldn't trust it.

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Wow...paranoid just a tad?

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Here is my assessment:
1. Took twice to Install because it wanted to put an automatic update in my start up. I denied that and it stopped installing. Went for the 2nd install then it installed fine without wanting to populate my start up. Then about 10 mins after install it tried again to populate my start up and i denied it again but that is just for auto updates and does not effect the operation of the browser itself. But now it keeps trying to populate my start up. A big NO NO for me. Don't mess with my startup there Mr. Google.
2. No drive/directory choice for install.
3. It seems very heavy. I have IE7 running with one tab same as Chrome, both on betanews. Chrome is using 3 sessions 10.9meg, 34.5meg and 10.5meg. IE7 is using 1 session at 34meg.
4. The GUI needs some work. I'm sure there are ways to customize it but after looking for the button to make this page my homepage for 5 mins i gave up. I know its there but if i have to dig that long for something so easy, well it doesn't seem right.
5. The speed of browsing seems as good as IE7 and faster then FF. I have not done a real FF to Chrome comparison yet.
6. No Crashes for me yet.
7. It stole all IE7's book marks. What if i didn't want that? What if i wanted my FF bookmarks in this one? Again lacking options during install.

Thats it for now. I'm de-installing this as right now there is no benefit. Will try it again in a non-beta release.
Hey you guys, don't worry about the politics of it all, the big 3 will fight it out no matter what we feel or say.

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"1. Took twice to Install because it wanted to put an automatic update in my start up. I denied that and it stopped installing. Went for the 2nd install then it installed fine without wanting to populate my start up. Then about 10 mins after install it tried again to populate my start up and i denied it again but that is just for auto updates and does not effect the operation of the browser itself. But now it keeps trying to populate my start up. A big NO NO for me. Don't mess with my startup there Mr. Google.
2. No drive/directory choice for install."

Agreed on both points...I'm sure google will add that kind of thing in a future release (this IS the first release of a BETA app afterall)

"3. It seems very heavy. I have IE7 running with one tab same as Chrome, both on betanews. Chrome is using 3 sessions 10.9meg, 34.5meg and 10.5meg. IE7 is using 1 session at 34meg. "

It is going to use more memory from the beginning...however if you use chrome throughout the day it should use less memory the FF would...I normally go through alot of opening and closing of tabs in FF throughout the day...and I hit 800Mb of mem usage...I can't lower it by much without closing it down completely and reopening it. The idea with chrome is that since each tab is it's own process you wouldn't run into this type of memory problem which is most likely caused by memory fragmentation from the one process trying to reallocated memory to itself. With tabs being separate processes, if you have a runaway tab or a problem page, just close the tab or end the process, the rest of your chrome tabs wouldn't be affected...and because they're individual processes you wouldn't run into as much fragmentation throughout the day.

"4. The GUI needs some work. I'm sure there are ways to customize it but after looking for the button to make this page my homepage for 5 mins i gave up. I know its there but if i have to dig that long for something so easy, well it doesn't seem right."

You're kidding right...there's almost no options in this browser...you go to options, second tab right smack in the middle is the homepage setting. I like the default home page of showing you recently viewed sites as thumbnails and recently opened/closed tabs though.

"5. The speed of browsing seems as good as IE7 and faster then FF. I have not done a real FF to Chrome comparison yet."

Seems much faster then FF for me...I like FF, but I hate the memory problems I have with it.

"7. It stole all IE7's book marks. What if i didn't want that? What if i wanted my FF bookmarks in this one? Again lacking options during install."

It's weird...I think it takes bookmarks from whatever browser you used to download it...or maybe from the last browser that was run? At work it imported my IE bookmarks, but at home it imported my FF bookmarks...I dunno.

I'm personally going to continue using it and see how the individual processes work out...it seems like it would be a huge benefit for me.

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I think it's not good (to say the least) that the developers sold out. Mozilla was the anti-MS IE browser. Now what - IE is the anti-Google browser. We are going to look back and ponder the good ole days of the Microsoft monopoly.
The devil we knew.

http://afewtips.com

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LOL. Google chose the Webkit engine and not Gecko because it is easier to develop applications for, a lot less complicated than Gecko or just plain simple and intuitive. Bug fixing will also be easier not mention that Webkit unlike Gecko is lighter (less code) and much faster than Gecko 1.9

All in all this is great news for Apple. This will bring a ton of attention to the Webkit engine that powers the world's best browser, Safari.

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...and destroys our ability to pick from a huge base of already created addons.

*shrug*

Installed it. It's quick, I'll give it that, and I've already found a few features I definitely enjoy...

Now we need some way to build extensions.

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Installed. Crashed all over the place. Uninstalled. :P I'd call it in Alpha stage instead of "Beta" stage. I've tried other browsers in beta stage and this one is the first one that was busy crashing instead of working. Still, the UI is interesting to say the least. Maybe in a year or so. :P

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Crashed ??

That sounds like a PC issue instead of a Chrome issue.

Installed it no errors or issues of any kind, the speed alone has me hooked, also they are using a Google DNS cache similiar to Open DNS, and all my regular visited site work excellent, the built in dev tools rock, and the option to open like shopping sites, or any site you don't want cookies saved or any offline content to be saved can be open as incognito, is a major plus.

I love being able to set for example Gmail, or any site as a standalone web application...not just a shortcut to a webpage.

After many years of me using Firefox..this may / likely will be the bullet that kills the Fox.

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Can't install Ad Block Plus either.

Strange, as it blocks Google Adsense!

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Just downloaded it from http://www.google.com/chrome

Very fast as described, but has some strange things.

There's no F11 to go 'full screen'.

The spell-checker doesn't know the word "Google".

And if you try to install the Google Toolbar to get your bookmarks, it installs the IE version.

Also, you can't choose the drive it is installed on.

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Mmh...very nice for a Beta, I like it so far. Looks very promising ;)

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The new google chrome does not support ebay lising description except in html, no design mode, too bad....ebay users will not use it....

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I know alot of people have a reading comprehension problem...so maybe google should have thrown a big splash screen for people like you that says "This is a BETA".

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This "BETA" can added to the list of Google's programs that never get out of beta.

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I guess so...but this has been in beta for about 2 hours now...

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I just downloaded it and it's not that bad. I
think this will become #2 browser as soon as
they release a linux and OS X version.

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lol another step to being a monopoly:)

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Open source. Google even says: You don't like it, take our code and run.

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From a friend of mine "yeah google with their own browser, what could possibly go wrong? Why index the web lets have everyone send back their data, then sell it all to advertisers while displaying ads inline through the browser it self"

He's got a very good point. This is just screaming for abuse.

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Indeed, but when I use Google mail through the POP3 interface, I receive no advertisements at all and as far as I've seen in tests to another account, no one receives advertisements in the e-mail I send either. For all the possibilities, they've done better than others at the free e-mail game.

Of course, the real point of the browser is to include Google Gadgets and make their online applications work offline without a problem. They want to sell services and the browser helps them ensure compatibility and perhaps, exclusivity.

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I can't wait to see this one! One would wonder if the move by Google borders on unethical and short of principles but I'd like to believe that's not the case.
The curious factor here is how the product fairs out!

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Firefox 3 had 8 million downloads it's first day of release with an additional 3 million downloads estimated that skipped the "counting" servers tallying up downloads (this number was determined by examining total bytes transferred from the servers).

None of these were from Google Pack. I don't think Mozilla has to worry about distribution.

Google and Mozilla are both trying to build a useful, fast, and secure open source browser. Google is simply experimenting with new ideas about how to do it that Firefox, at the moment, can't do with it's existing code base. We're finally seeing some serious competition in web browsers again, and the end user will most certainly benefit.

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Microsofft will love this. Basically google is "splitting the vote" that is against microsoft, and also pointing out all the great features that are in IE8 that Firefox doesnt have.

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2 at 8, or 1 at 16 still takes 16% away from MSFT...

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Chrome will provide Google the full control over user interests. It's just another tactic to track users. The Browser seems more attractive since their proxy (Web Accelerator) is not so popular.
I hope this is not the case.

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For those of us that need a good web browser for our eBay business, none of the open-source browsers work completely. They generally either fail in the javascript or page printing area for me. There are times when I have no choice but to use IE on Windows XP because nothing else works. I wish this wasn't so.

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It sounds like your problems are with javascript implementation and page rendering, which are two major differences between all browsers. Web developers have to make sure their pages work the same across all the major ones their visitors use, and it sounds like eBay missed something on their pages. I'm sure if you figure out how to properly submit a bug report to them they'll fix it.

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Be interesting to see if this is an "end users" browser that truly produces on the promise of speed. With the announcement that IE 8 takes massive amounts of memory over the IE7, this could really change the playing field. I have always used Firefox for debug since it is far better than IE in that area, be interesting to see the direction of this product.

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Might want to hold off on that judgment. The most likely reason that IE8 uses a lot more memory than IE7 is because it gives a separate process for each tab, much like "Chrome". Its likely that Chrome will use more memory as well.

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IE8 is an unfinished product in BETA so we have no idea how it will perform.

It is normal for unreleased products to require significantly more resources due to additional logging and debugging in the code - which will be switched off once released. This is common development practice for decades.

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IE8, just like Chrome, will take more memory initially because every tab will be it's own process. They both take up less memory (compared to IE7 and Firefox) over time for the same reason.

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When Chrome comes out, it will also be considered a BETA. The question is how long it will be in BETA with google's habit of things being in perpetual beta. Not saying this is bad or good, just stating what I have noticed.

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As much as people seem to think so given the amount of commentary, this is likely *not* intended to be an actual product, so I would expect it to remain in beta....forever.

This is Google's attempt to help with Webkit.

Apple most likely denied offers by Google to help with Safari, so they did what they had to and built their own browser based on it. It's basic, it's ugly, but it gives them a free and clear product upon which to work with Webkit.

Building code into webkit to allow certain browser-based functionality and compatibility...as well as stability and speed.

Google is a Web-Based company. Their entire business model depends on peoplebeing able to access the internet quickly, and reliably...regardless of choice of browser. They really don't have an option with MSFT, they have to bend to the quirks of the browser. But they *can* help develop Gecko and Webkit.

This, above all else, is what they are doing here. Making sure they have some guidance in how browsers get users to their content. Making an actual browser is just a way for them to get into webkit dev and have some impact on Safari.

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I don't think so. They'll optimize this as a platform to run cloud apps - seamlessly on- and offline. This will probably also be tied into Andriod just as Apple does with Safari - to have a consistent execution environment regardless of platform. I love it.

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They want their 'cloud apps' to run in all browsers. Google has always been platform/browser agnostic.

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Of course they want. They are using open standards (or create their own and throw them into the open source pool). Still to have the optimal experience they may want to provide a specialized browser. You seem to be able to create apps right out of the otherwise sparse UI.

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Well, I suppose we'll find out, eh?

It should be an interesting ride, regardless. ;)

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How big an issue is browser crashes these days?

It's true, though, that FF s***s its pants over Javascript sometimes.

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I get pretty pissed when my browser crashes. I guess it's not a big deal for you though, so why bother making them more stable right?

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Seriously...wth?

More people who think that only the stuff *they* think is important should actually be...

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Agreed, browser stability is important for me as well. It's tough for people who only surf blogs and forums to understand but for the rest of us who either BANK, COLLABORATE or EMAIL from within a browser, stability is second only to security.

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Can't wait to check out this chrome hope it's well waxed and doesn't rust easily!

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