OMG! These people are logging IP's Too! http://www.whatismyip.com

OH NO!!!

............yeah...The point of this website is what? To warn people that they have an IP Address? LOL usless...

I wonder if I hacked into that site if I would get in trouble? I mean, I know it's unlawful to access web content by use of force...But should grokster.com even be considered Web Content now?

Until the newsgroups are taken down, you can have all the stuff you want and more. Just for grins I dowloaded 10.7 gig of movies and music last night (took just over 7 hours - mmm, love that fast connection). The only downside is that stuff does not stay up long, so you have to keep checking for what you want and may have to wait or request it. I still use emule occasionally but it has become less and less useful to me and really is only good for finding obscure things. then there are my buds on our encrypted Waste mesh (got 12 of us with about 2 TeraBytes shared on a non-standard port).

P2P is not dead, it is just changing...going underground as the the RIAA and friends play Whack a mole. They whack one and five more pop up. I have vowed never to purchase a CD again and I won't. I may grab something on Itunes but I will always find it in MP3 format as well to make sure I am not prevented from enjoying it anywhere I want or sharing it with my family/friends.

As for this IP logging. It really is a non-issue. Purely psychological marketing driven thing to push the ignorant and paranoid into their new "Legit" product.

This thread remains entertaining however. I am pleased to see some of my favorite folks posting. Pathetic, ignorant, insecure, and so easy to spin-up....as always. Then there are the ones that actually post useful info...those I really do appreciate (Phoenix, DigitalSin, PC_Rat), thanks for taking the time to raise the knowledge level of the rest of us here even if some of the responses to that info by others are inane drivel.

Dude...

Never mention newsgroups.

The less we do to draw attention to them, the better off we'll all be.

;)

I have 75Gig left in my bank on easynews. I suppose I should take a look and see what's out there...been a few months.

I second your statement about P2P not being dead and is changing. The whole web, or internet for that matter, is always in the process of evolving and changing. These technologies adapt to the current landscape to fit the majority's needs - that's the great thing about the internet!

The RIAA and the music industry can be considered the opposite in my opinion. Their business models are stubbornly not adapting to what the majority want because they fear change. They feel it is safe to stick with the same brick and mortar kind of mentality because they know they will bring in x amount of dollars. If I were in the music business, I'd be worried not because of P2P, but because I would be becoming a dinosaur.

True...

Sorry man. I will shut up. I just get on my arrogant ego trips about how superior I am (NOT) and I type without thinking. My ISP has decent NG servers so I am good with that for now. Does not to to talk too much about them as it is only a matter of time before they are attacked as well.

You are so right.

Piracy affects margins in small ways, but becoming obsolete threatens to destroy the monopoly and the power. The only way to make it as a musician for the past half century or so is to sell your soul to the devil (or music labels...amounts to same thing). With digital distribution and p2p networks that can drive name recognition to some extent without marketing their control is in danger. They try to drive it themselves by paying for spins on radio stations but that is really not going to help in the long run. The meteor has fallen...the climate is changing...their time is now past. They fight it, but cannot change. Some will probably make the transition and replace the old ones but unfortunately they will bring their old control based mindset with them. I can't see the future but i can observe what is happening. All it would take is some unity by the artists and they could force change...sad thing is that they believe the lies that they have been told...and so grow to not trust the very fans that ensure their success.

:-x

Damn, what ISP? Mine sucks... of course, it's frontier, so...can't expect too much.

I got RoadRunner (Time Warner) and get a steady 3-4mb download from them. The NG servers are good but there are a couple groups that don't show up on them so an eznews sub is a good idea.

I always find it amusing when people say they are on RoadRunner (which is Time Warner, a tv/movie company am I correct?) and download from RoadRunner's own NG servers.

For example, The Matrix, is a Warner Brothers movie. Now is Warner Brothers part of AOL/Time Warner? If so, technically, are they not offering you a pirate copy of their own movie (if it were available to download of course)? You are paying for the NG servers in your monthly subscription yes? If so does that mean AOL/Time Warner are breaking their own copyright by offering the movie on their NG servers?

It has always puzzled me why all these film companies, with so much money and power, allow ISPs to offer such services, especially when they own the company that opperates the ISP!

So... I can't use Grokster to download legally anymore? (Linux anyone? :P)

Yeah, I know BT is better for Linux distros, but you do find them on P2P networks :P

BTW, Who says 127.0.0.1 is my idenifyable IP address? IT'S LOCAL HOST YOU IDIOTS :P

Did you actually go to the site and LOOK? It doesn't say 127.0.0.1

Okaley dokaley! You're an idiot!

It does here.

rijp....all that work in your giant effort to prove you know "something" about "something" and you misspelled Wikipedia. You must really be stupid when you can can't even copy and paste a definition from Wikipedia and get it right.

Everyone can read you like a book. You are 30 something, pimple poppin' loser who lives in his mama's basement with nothin' better to do than try to sound smart like the cool kids.

P.S. Nobody cares about you or anything you have to say. If we really cared we would go to Wikipedia and look up the definition ourselves. (At least they get the spelling right).

30 something? Thats giving too much credit, how about 18 or 19? :)

You just violated a couple of Betanews rules

BetaNews reserves the right to remove any comment at any time for any reason. Please keep your responses appropriate and on topic. Foul language and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

"(At least they get the spelling right)"

Well...most of the time.

Last time I checked it was not illegal to visit the Grokster web site. Stupid farkwads.

The United States Supreme Court... blah blah blah
... Has been logged.

As I've said before, this is for American Lamers only. Doesn't apply to people in other countries.

If not American Then KeepDownloading!!!

Proud to NOT be American!

Proud not to have ya.

I'm proudly Australian.

Americans believe they own the world anyway, but truth is... I don't hafta go to American sites to get P2P products. Just look at Kazaa.com :P

LOL - amen

Don't blame us Americans because of the RIAA. We don't support them.

If it wasn't for Shawn Fanning (American) you'd still be buying CDs.

We do own the world, except for Australia which the British own

LOL! So true!

Blah Blah Blah with your American flaming! Oh wait...I know why you're flaming! Is it because we are the richest country in the world? Or the worlds most powerful country? Or because 1 Man (Bill Gates) is worth more than most countries?

I'm Proud to be an american, where I can be free! oh..I'm not allowed to download illegal content, but you are...But that's ok. I can afford to buy the content to where you cannot!

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"I doubt grokster (or parent company) even owns the domain anymore. It was very likely transferred to RIAA, or a holding company for them."
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As everything you criminal file-sharing twits own will belong to the RIAA soon !

Once you get out of rendition in Saudi, and walk back to the U.S., you'll even find your room in your mom's house now belongs to the RIAA.
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The Computer Rodent

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You mispelled Wikipedia, btw.

o snaps noes they got ma'IP!!!!!

The RIAA can kiss my ass. I've never been a Grokster user and had never visited that site before I first heard this story. So what they're ending up with is a bunch of IPs that have nothing to do with anything. They're getting laughed at rather than the intended effect of intimidating.

On a positive note, makes a great IP checker for those of us using NAT and wanting to quickly see what our WAN IP is. I would encourage EVERYONE to use it on a daily basis, perhaps 5-10 times a day :)

the link itself got slashdotted earlier when posted to that site.

What a bunch of useless IPs *that* will turn out to be.

lmao...

All things considered, this is almost verbatim the same page posted to Suprnova when they were shut-down.

I doubt grokster (or parent company) even owns the domain anymore. It was very likely transferred to RIAA, or a holding company for them.

Where did you get this little tidbit of info, mr. wizard? You making up corporate take overs now? You should have your own CNN segment, you can call it Phoenix and the Useless info, because that's all you are spouting.

He was simply speculating and I believe that's a pretty plausible theory. Doing a WHOIS however doesn't show that the owner of the domain has changed, but that might not mean anything.

:lol:

You like him...you really do.

Grokster is like Kazaa. Obsolete tech.

The lion roars. Meow.

"...including the user's actual IP address. "

detected != actual.

For instance, accessing that page through a proxy lists the generic IP of your proxy...and that of anyone else using that proxy.

So...let's all proxy up and make sure they have quite a large list of useless IPs, okay?

I mean, ya'll got nothing better to do, right?

BTW:...to the tinfoil hatters out there...just about every webserver out there logs your IP. It's a PITA to get Apache or IIS to *not* log IPs.

Your proxy indentifies your companies IP address, so the only thing you are succeeding in doing is making your company liable and possibly sued.. Yeah, good call!

If you connect from a college campus, and you use a proxy, they still know who was using which machine that day.. they log every address from the Internet address down the machine address, it will only take a couple of phone calls to the IT admin at the campus, you are still not hiding..

Proxy addresses are not anonymous...despite your limited knowledge.

"Your proxy indentifies your companies IP address, so the only thing you are succeeding in doing is making your company liable and possibly sued.. Yeah, good call!"

You, sir, are an assuming idiot.

Company Proxy? Where, may I ask, did you get that little nugget of information? Did you clean it at least after pulling it out of your ass? ;P

Try any of the many, *many* free proxies out there on the net. I'm not stupid enough to get my company involved, though...if I did click link to grokster in any of the multiple stories on this subject that I have read while at work, it would be very easy to point out the referrer and claim I was simply following links in a news story...like any good plebian.

Dude dont' call me an idiot because you can't figure things out for yourself. A proxy is a computer, and it acts on your behalf just like your own computer. It has a an IP address just like yours.

You ever heard of wikiopedia? Can you read? You might try looking things up, before you make assumptions, loud mouth.

When a proxy is used, it passes information from your computer, and then it returns the information and in the process it "caches" the info on that machine. So the next person that requests information from a page, it uses the most recent updated cache rather than requesting a page from every computer. you would know that instead of pretending to argue with me, and make up stuff that you think is bogus, instead of actually spending the time to look it up for yourself. I bet you are the type of person that likes to ask stupid questions in class, instead of reading for yourself. What is looking at the words too painful for you? Maybe you shoud have done less crack and spent more time on studies there jock-o-loser.

And btw, you twirp, its spelled "proxy". So don't call me a moron, when its obvious you can't spell.

Fine you can use all the "free" proxy's you want, you are still not anonymous. Grokster may not have access to your direct IP, but they know the proxy IP address, and that proxy caches your local IP studly.

Instead of making yourself sound like you are some computer scholar, which you aren't, why not stick with the basics. Plebian isn't a word you are ready for. Or maybe plagiarism is all you know.

plebeian is the correct spelling.. for that BTW.

Using one of the many free proxies on the web, including tor, does provide a certain level of anonymity. The only way someone could get your IP address is to subpena the proxy provider and ask what IP requested the proxy IP at a given time. HOWEVER some proxy providers scramble the IP address in the sense no one can accurately pinpoint which IP requested which IP at any given time. Also, some proxies are located outside of the US, so on the negative side using the proxy will be slower, the plus is that a provider in, say, Russia is outside of the jurisdiction of US courts (no subpena).

It is not 100% secure, but it can be at least 80% safer than using your ISP given IP address.

Everybody should use a program called "Hide IP Platinum" and give them lots of useless information. Somebody living around the corner from RIAA offices in Hollywood California, can re-route his signal through a proxy server dozens of foreign countries.

I found this program at www.9down.com based in China. Lets not forget that old dial up connections produce a new IP address every time you go on line. Back to the drawing board for those RIAA idiots...

Still being an idiot?

"It has a an IP address just like yours. "

No sh1t, sherlock. Just like yours...but still...*not* yours. And in order for grokster (Or RIAA) to get *your* IP from the proxy service, they would require a subpoena.

I can't spell...
I'm a plagarist...
..a twirp..
..a jock-o-loser...

*shrug*

Yeeaaah.

And no...I've never heard of "wikiopedia". lmao...

Idiot.

Wow.

I made a simple joke and it led to this?

Man, I am sorry guys. I hope I didn't ruin your days...

It was a good joke :)

Proof that there's absolutely no accounting for taste.

Or lack therof.

Or the ability to appreciate the humor in the above lack therof.

or...

Well, you get it. Maybe.

When I flip my screen upside down it makes perfect sense!

er....

Why can't I get *my* screen to flip?

Perhaps it is only a state of mind..

"or lack thereof" =)

Hey....I take exception to that remark.. Lack of a state of mind is very much how I like to spend my evenings...

You insensitive clod.

Well you can't very well have it both ways! If you want a flipped screen under Windows XP, you must be in a proper state of mind for it.

I saw a Microsoft KB Article on this very issue, I just can't find the link. It is by design though.

Ah...inverted.

I see you were using the "technical" term.

On the same page now.

(Here I was, trying to find the right hinge on my monitor)

Quite Interesting conversation....? May I continue to read? or be deemed flamation ?

haha :D

Depends on whether the mods mod this thread down or not... We're well off the beaten path here, topic-wise, so according to their rules...

Well?