Apparently thieves prefer Blu-ray over HD-DVD because a bunch of crooks in Seattle knocked over a music/video store and stole all their Blu-ray discs. They did not, however, take a single HD-DVD.

http://advice.cio.com/al..._war_where_do_you_stand

Got PS3 after the price drop. Got some Blu-Ray movies to try on it (via Netflix) and I can clearly say that it doesn't make any significant difference over the DVD format also playing upscaled on the PS3.

Blu-Ray just looks darker

But in terms of video games... PS3 Ninja Gaiden Sigma looks ridiculously gorgeous compared to anything thing else I have seen.

So the PS3/x360 really add more to the gaming front than Blu-Ray/HD-DVD add to the DVD front.

HD DVD software sales experienced a 20% increase in growth, however they released 140% more titles in the 2nd quarter.

Blu-ray software sales were down 5%, however they released 9% less titles in the 2nd quarter.

What a decisive victory for HD DVD. Showing an improvement over your exceptionally poor 1st quarter-- what an amazing feat! Now you just need to start outselling Blu Ray and you might actually start gaining marketshare again.

What a nice FUDlicious press release.

Fanboys, eat er up!

Really?

It could be the selection got better hence why people bought more movies, who cares.

Its the same with the ps3 less games, less incentive to buy.

You just can't accept that hd-dvd won this round? (its far from over)

If blu-ray does not release any good movies, guess what? No one is going to buy them which means less sales!

Also note that hardware sales went up as well because you guessed it there were movies people wanted to buy and the price was right!

Here's an interesting one for all the liars who love to pretend MPEG2 is just a horrible nightmare and Blu-ray isn't using it anymore and has s***ed to more modern codecs.

There's also a neat bit of information about how many of the relases are on 25gb single layer discs.

Read it & weep Sony/PS3/BD shills & drones, read it & weep......

Are MPEG-2's days are numbered?

This year there have been 55 releases with that codec, 29 on BD25 and 26 on BD50.

BD, HDDVD ? Hmmm I am still waiting for the dust to settle before I buy anything. Might help that I also dont own a HD TV yet either ;) but on that im waiting for the prices of 1080P to come down and the whole HDMI cable thing to get sorted out (early adopters experience so much pain lol)

Truly you should wait and get a combo player when they hit 399 around Christmas. If you are planning on getting anything smaller than a 42 inch HDTV, save your money because you won't notice a difference between upscaled standard DVD and HD-DVD/BD.

I knew this story would bring out the loser and all 30 of his usernames.

The frustration is palpable.

While I'm here, I just wanted to refresh everyones memory to t the fact that thie biggest BD shill in here doesn't even own a BD player or a PS3 by his own admission.

Now that's just sad.

One more thing, the VC-1 codec is Windows Media 10, which Sony was forced to use because of it's superior compression and picture quality over MPEG. Every BD movie mastered in VC-1 pays license fees to Microsoft. Certain people avoid little facts like this.

Microsoft wins with BD and HD-DVD movie sales.

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm glad to hear the better looking format is gaining ground. The HD-DVD crowd spends a lot more money on movies than the PS3/BD fans.

That's a fact, the HD-DVD attach rate is 9 to 1 over BD.

As you can see I'm back baby.

Good to see you around again Hollywood_ ; nice to see people with a grip on reality in these forums.

But come on, show some respect.....don't you know 'Dave' is an 'insider'?

....and how dare you diss the PS3 - don't you know it takes a PC of at least $50,000 worth of components to match it's awesome (magical) powers, er, probably?

Hey man welcome back.

I agree I have around 30 HD DVD's and I think 8 Blo-ray. I still prefer the HD DVD format.

Hollywood is here to entertain. If Dave was an insider, he would probably own a Blu-Ray player or least a PS3. He would at least give professional, lucid, arguments and not the childish, immature crap he is famous for. I doubt that he is even employed.

Sony is guilty of opening "fan" websites which proved to be owned by Sony themselves just like Circuit City did with DivX back in 1999.

Exploding batteries, rootkits, non functioning DVD's with copy protection that doesnt even work on Sony DVD players. This company is circling the drain and the PS3 will take them down.

I also see from the morons link that HD-DVD has more studios on board than BD, thanks for the info while I shove it up your @ss from now until forever.

Hollywood_, don't forget that his link only shows the percentages for what that company has sold...it's right there in small print under the chart.

betanews.com and its insane bias!

STOP WITH THE FUD!!! THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!

http://www.dvdempire.com...Features/hidef_wars.asp

There he goes again... stfu shill. Do you really think anyone still believes your delusional Sony butt-humping propaganda?

HD-Dvd becoming ever more popular was to be expected once more people look into the next-gen formats and see what a garbage Sony's BluRay is.

I guess you missed the fine print about those percentages...

" percentage of OUR overall Hi Def items sold by format..."

I capitalized the important word for you there, Sparky. The numbers posted on that site are by no means indicative of the Industry as a whole.

By all means, stop the FUD, and shut up...

113 comments and not a single desperate yelp of "FUD"?

Wow.

"LOL, that much is true...

But, he has a point... why does every article regarding Blu-Ray or HD-DVD end up boiling down to a console war? This is getting really old, really quick."

Because either A) most of the people who post here are no-life teenagers living in there parents basement or B) kids who haven't even reached puberty yet. LOL

"why does every article regarding Blu-Ray or HD-DVD end up boiling down to a console war?"

- I don't think it does.

I think we have the usual misleading crowd of liars batting for their beloved Sony/PS3/Blu-ray and people like myself who make a point of trying to counter their misinformation, lies and PR BS.

"This is getting really old, really quick."

- If they quit it with the lying and acting the idiot over this then they'll stop being challenged and people won't take the p*ss out of them.

Judging just by the comment above, I would say Hocuspokus is A and B...

A no-life teen living in mom's basement who hasn't reached puberty. Seriously man.."misleading crowd of liars ".. grow up man!

Funny, your lies and mininformation is the worst of anyones.

"Grow up"

The witless irony & sheer effrontery of it.

Stop projecting & get over yourself.

BTW that description was the most charitable version, the alternate is self-obsessed juvenile insane d*ckheads who are deluded enough to be treating CE products as if it was something similar to slavishly supporting a football team.

Feel free to try & back that up, anytime.

Unlike some I don't run away from backing up my comments.....and I'm not so childishly 'up myself' that I can't happily admit it if I get something wrong once in a while.

ROFL! You don't post here a whole lot, but the few post you do make are full of S***.

Yeah, he sure does post some laughable bullsh**.

And the best part is he keeps trolling away...

LMAO.

You trolled in just to take a little bash.

Totally pathetic.

Little rumour I heard at E3 but never got mentioned anywhere i can see was the possibility of an hd-dvd add on for the wii which i though was interesting to say the least

Just like VHS/BETA....the winner will be the one that the porn industry embraces. Looks like HD-DVD is winning that war.

Also its a valid point to say that the general populace gravitates toward simple marketing names. People understand DVD's and they understand HD. "blu-ray" doesnt mean crap to my mother or any of the non-techies out there. Therefore it is "some new weird technology thing" where as "HD-DVD is -HD on a DVD-"

I am going to haft to disagree on the porn deciding the war this time around...BUT I do think that price will.

People still pay for porn?

Yes. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Some figures suggest it has surpassed Hollywood when you take into account the online portion.

While *YOU* might pirate porn, there are a LOT of peopel who'd rather spend $30 a movie than research and learn how to get it free.

What you fail to realize is that in the VHS/BETA era removable media was the primary distribution method for porn. It is for that reason that porn decided that war. Now however the primary distribution method for porn is the internet/VoD and so the porn industries influence in media formats has been GREATLY reduced. Additionally High Definition video (HDDVD or Blu-Ray) is not particularly friendly to porn, often revealing details you'd just rather not see.

Another silly market research clearly paid by Microsoft and Toshiba to fool customers and make them waste money on HD-DVD.
The only truth is that HD-DVD si a dead standard already, people don't want it and my Christmas the war will be over, even Microsoft will shortly after have to announce a BD drive for XBox360...

You keep saying this and sales continue to grow. You must be a specialist in the field. You keep wishing and wishing but your dreams don't come true.

"The only truth is that HD-DVD si a dead standard already"

I guess that is why sales are RISING then? Because it's a dead technology...

ill put it this way MS is backing hddvd. and MS can spend way more then everyone at blueray.

I think you need to take another look at the Blu-Ray suppors list.

It's basically every corporation on this planet, aside from Microsoft/Toshiba and Universal.

Check out the DVD Forum.......just about everyone of your beloved Blu-ray club are there
(and some are now under investigation for trying to use their position there to block & delay HD DVD).

Really, every corporation on this planet aside from 3? And I'm assuming you have proof of this somewhere? Some documented site (besides some biased blog) that states this?

hm... actually HD DVD is starting to influence the market here in Japan. The price is still a bit too strong, but major brands like Hitachi is coming out with HD DVD recorders, which a lot of Japanese like to buy, even though I don't think there are TV shows interesting enough to record, but still, it might be a big hit.

HDTV analogue recording ? I doubt so. From digital without DRM preventing it ? I doubt it as well...

"major brands like Hitachi is coming out with HD DVD recorders"

- Wow, Hitachi have finally gone dual format/neutral!?

Well it was expected they would be abandoning their 'Blu-ray exclusive hardware manufacturing' stance this year but it's still excellent news.

Have you a link or product reference I can follow up, please?

Oh boo hoo hoo.

Why can't game consoles also be stand-alone movie disc players too?

Grow up you ludicrous Sony/PS3/BD whining bi*ches.

Sounds like you're the one that needs to grow up.

LMAO......did I 'hit a nerve there' or something?

When Toshiba flog another 10 million or so notepads/laptops with a built-in HD DVD drive next year I wonder how quick the Sony/PS3/BD shills & drones will be to demand those numbers get counted in all of this.

Yeah right, as if.

If Toshiba places HD-DVD drives on every laptop they and their partners sold, what makes you believe that Sony couldn't just do the same with their laptops and those of their partners by adding a BD unit like a combo drive (BD reading and DVD burning) ?

ROFL! People will barely touched Sonys overpriced computers as it is. You add in that drive and they will be running for the hills. Besides a lot of people don't even know Sony makes computers ROFL. Their computers got replaced by Gateways at my local Circuit City.

Oh yea, I am sure people will rush to buy the BD Sony laptop. Like it is not already too expensive.

The only thing good about a Sony pc is the display the rest is crap. Why not add more crap to the crap.

"what makes you believe that Sony couldn't just do the same with their laptops and those of their partners by adding a BD unit like a combo drive (BD reading and DVD burning)?"

Try reading what was said, no-one is saying they couldn't (and in fact they already do, some Dells have BD drives for instance and there are others, not least some of Sonys own products).

The point is that they are not stand-alones and so will not count in the stand-alone totals.

The rest of this is just the usual saddo pathetic dreary little Sony/PS3/BD bi*ches whining that their beloved aren't able to be seen to dominate everything.

There's nothing deeper to this than that.

"According to analysts, there is only about 20-30 title gap between the two formats, which is not as large as many would perceive, and price is a major factor in buying decisions."

In your face, Sony shills!

too bad it doesn't consider quality of movies,
Apollo 13, Seabiscuit, The Chronicles of Ridd***, Casablanca, Constantine, Dukes of Hazzard, Four Brothers, Lara Croft: Tomb Raider Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, The Rundown, Blazing Saddles, U2: Rattle and Hum, U-571, The Perfect Storm, We Were Soldiers hd-dvd 5 free movies
The Guardian Corpse Bride, Stealth, The Italian Job, Kiss of the Dragon, Hart’s War Pearl Harbor, Phantom of the Opera, Resident Evil 2, Black Rain, Omen 666, The Last Waltz Invincible, Blazing Saddles, Underworld Evolution, Babel, The Transporter 2, Chicken Little, Stir of Echoes, Devil’s Rejects, Species blu ray 5 free movie offer

which selection looks more appealing?

Hum stinkers on both sides.

Yea, I'd say its pretty close on crap vs. quality.

Neither...Almost all of those movies are several years old!!!

"According to analysts, there is only about 20-30 title gap between the two formats, which is not as large as many would perceive, and price is a major factor in buying decisions."

True.

The BDA only announced 250 new titles this year (at CES 2007) and Fox have delayed (some it appears almost indefinitely) a swathe of their scheduled releases.

By contrast the HD DVD side will have - by far - the greater amount of content available if they stick to the '600 titles available by years end' that they promised at CES 2007.

Within two hours this page is full of PS3 war comments. Why must every news article regarding some form of something on the PS3 be turned into a flamewar?

It's more fun making Steve mad.

LOL, that much is true...

But, he has a point... why does every article regarding Blu-Ray or HD-DVD end up boiling down to a console war? This is getting really old, really quick.

Yep, scanning headlines on BN main page I knew this would be a winner for comment reading. I am anxiously waiting to read the rest of the posts to reply to your point.

Another pointless news article, that pretends 4.5 million PS3's have not been sold..

They really are getting desperate. Even Universal is getting twitchy and wants to go dual format it seems..

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/07/universal_feeli.html

That may be the case but if the attachment rate sucks what is the point. By the way the attachment rate does suck.

Another pointless troll whining about how this site does nothing but lie and bash Sony...they are really getting desperate. When will they get it through their thick heads that "standalone" players do not include game consoles.

Yes or No..

Is ignoring 4.5 million PS3's capable of Blu-Ray playback, when looking at HD-DVD 300,000 players globally a fair comparision, or even valid comparison?

Where did you get 4.5 million?

Yes or No...

Is all of your fake 4.5 million PS3's going use it specifically for watching Blu-Ray movies?

NPD data excludes online sales (you knew that right?)..

I take the lack of an answer, a no then..

Well duh. I don't see your answer either.

My point was that not all PS3 owners will use it specifically for Blu-Ray like a stand-alone. That's why they don't mention it.

@Linus

Another brainless poster who talks about the PS3 players, while conveniently forgetting about the XB360 ones. Just for your information, the XB360 supports the HD-DVD; yet its HD-DVD drive is not counted as a stand-alone player but as being part of the system (hence it doesn't appear in the studies, just as the PS3).

Sure, there are certainly less XB360 owners with an attached HD-DVD drive than PS3 owners without a built-in BD player (obviously), but denying that the XB360 doesn't count as a HD-DVD is pretty much partial.

The point is, give me a link to verify this on my own. Seeing is believing.

A fan boy only sees what he wants to see. Let them be. :-D

If the headline read "Blu-ray Grows, HD DVD Shrinks in Q2" then you'd say it's an article worthy of everyone's attention. But as it is, it's a pointless article. Gotta love fanboy logic.

It goes like this:

Good news for Blo-ray = Great article!
Bad news for Blo-ray = Pointless article!

It should also be pointed out that, although HD-DVD add-on units for the Xbox 360 aren't listed, listing them would be far more fair than listing PS3s, because not everyone will play movies on their PS3, but EVERYONE will play movies in their HD-DVD add-on, because it is specifically designed for that and NOT games. In your face Sony shills!

So wheres the online sales for xbox? let me guess none right?

"...That's why they don't mention it. "

Not all PS3's will use it solely for movies... this is a fact. But, having said that, there ARE SOME PEOPLE, whether it is 1 or 1 million, who will use it for movies and games.

So you cannot very well not mention it either... So what do you do? In the past (beta/vhs), this was a clear way to measure the success of wars, but you cannot do it with this war. So what do you do?

I think the success has to be in the pudding and not what’s cooking the pudding (bad analogy). Movie sales has to represent the victor here. If movies don't get sold for BRD, then it's over for them... and vice-versa. Players don't matter.

Interesting article. Nothing in there that says anything about Universal getting twitchy. All it talks about is pressure from the Blo-Ray camps. Also on one of those links it states that Blo-Ray sales are beginning to stabilize. Looks like this "dead format" is making a comeback. You have a lot of cheerleading to do Ben. Better get started. I'll come back later and make you look like "more" of an idiot k?

Where does it say anything about 4.5 million PS3's not being sold?

Where does it say anything about Universal getting twitchy and wanting to go dual format?

Are you reading some bas****ized form of English that the rest of us can't understand?

Don't feed the trolls.

The reason to not include the PS3 in these numbers is simple, honestly...and your choice of words provides the arguement.

The PS3 is CAPABLE of bluray playback. That doesn't make it a stand alone player. They're looking at machines with a dedicated purpose.

Are you saying that they should count games consoles that are capable of playing DVDs in with the sales numbers of DVD players?

A fan boy only sees what he wants to see. Let them be. :-D

Nice quote...lol

All of this is down to info provided by the HD-DVD group who are completely ignoring the PS3. Seeing as the PS3 is the cheapest Blu Ray player on sale in Europe there are bound to be some people who have bought them for the Blu Ray capabilities. That's a fact that's proved by the Blu Ray disks comfortably outselling HD-DVD disks. Blockbuster in the UK is stocking Blu Ray in all of it's UK stores but only stocking HD-DVD in 1 in 10.
The numbers of HD player sales are tiny at the moment. There were only 2,500 HD-DVD players sold in the UK in the year up to March '07 so the fact is that more people might be buying HD-DVD players but hundreds of times more Blu Ray players are finding there way into peoples homes in PS3 players and acting as PR for Blu Ray.

If you don't like games which is the case with most people the cheaper format will sell more in the end. If I didn't play games why would I buy a now $500 playstation when I could get an HD player for $200. Hum $300 is a huge difference.

What about because of the movie selection? There are a large number of great movies that are not released on HD DVD. Its why I now own both formats.

I do agree though - getting started, might as well go with the cheaper option - you can always get a blu-ray player later.

If the players sell faster the other studios will go produce for HD. If for some reason blo-ray sales fell the studios would see increased sales in HD as incentive to make HD. They will go where the money is. If there are 4 million blo-ray players with a crap attachment rate and large attachment rate for an increasing HD they will move. They follow the money. So far blu-ray attachment rate is poor when compared to HD sales. I'm sure some of the fanboys here will dispute but it's true.

Because there is no proof how many ps3 are being used for playing movies, hence why they are not in the figures.

Same way as there is no proof if xbox, ps2 was being used to play movies as well as games.

Attach rate is definetely poor. But if you consider it will be quite some time before any blu-ray studios go HD DVD, then you do need to consider which format has the movies you like. If its both, then start with HD DVD.

Let's not forget porn will be available on HD-DVD, NOT Blueray. It'll be interesting to see if this pans out the exact same way VHS vs Betamax did.

Even though I'm an HD-DVD supporter I must point out that (1) that is not true and (2) it wouldn't matter at all anyway. It isn't the 1970s anymore.

Jordanr05 the first porn released on HD was released in Japan on Blu Ray. The first porn released in the US was released in dual format HD-DVD and BluRay. Porn will make no difference to this format war. When VHS and Betamax were released the only previous way to watch porn was on a projector so VHS was the first way to conveniently watch it. Most people couldn't care less about the quality of porn which is why downloads are the most popular way of watching it. If porn were no longer available to download or buy on DVD then porn would be an important factor but the only people making a big deal about porn being important in this war are the porn industry.

Not to mention the porn titles are being released at $50!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=37021

Nice reputable source again there.

Great news for HD DVD. I agree that competition is a great thing since prices are falling fast. Keep up the great work HD.

I totally agree. Keep the competition so the prices keep falling.

Definitely, who can see a difference between HD DVD and Bluray on a full HD TV ? So, I'm buying the cheapest... Clear.

That is what most consumers will do. It's all about the price point.

Movie selection does have something to do with it too.

But anyone looking at prices in Best Buy will be more likely to pick HD DVD. HD DVD is priced between $24.99 and $27.99 for the most part. Blu-ray was $24.99, $30 and $34.99. Crazy! Most decent titles were $30.

Well the first mistake is going to Best Buy :)

"Movie selection does have something to do with it too."

- I think anyone who seriously imagines the movie situation is cast in stone just cos of how things are right now is fooling themselves.

We already saw LG & Samsung defect from being 'BD exclusive' hardware manufacturers.
The same will happen to the studios.

In the end (2- 5 yrs time?) they will all follow the money & will be format neutral (with Sony saving face/being a pig-headed laughing stock and being last to budge probably).

*laughing* too true

Hell yea. Does Wal-Mart sell either format yet? The only time I buy a DVD anymore is the first week it comes out when you can grab it at Wal-Mart for $15. Best Buy is the worst place to buy DVDs unless it is Black Friday (day after Thanksgiving sales) and you can get a handful for $20 total. Then again, you have to camp out the night before or else they are all picked through. Best Buy is insane.

Yes, Walmart does carry both formats but I have noticed that not all stores do. I have yet to figure out why some do and others don't. Don't see any demographic reason for doing this. Best Buy prices have been slowly climbing so they are hardly the BEST solution for your entertainment needs.

"- I think anyone who seriously imagines the movie situation is cast in stone just cos of how things are right now is fooling themselves."

I agree, but someone buying today will want to pick a format that has movies they want to watch.

"someone buying today will want to pick a format that has movies they want to watch."

I think the lists of movies out and available on each format right now is pretty even.

.....but with Fox stopping their releases & HD DVD announcing more new titles this year than BD then the greater content will be available on HD DVD by the years end (right now IIRC there is about 20 titles difference between them).

"...However, with the price cut on its discontinued 60GB model in the United States, increased sales of Sony's PS3 will probably also have the residual effect of helping to prop-up Blu-ray in the face of stronger competition from HD DVD"

Stronger competition... classic. It will be interesting to see sales figures for the month of July.

I think blu-ray will get a small boost - I know it did from me since I bought a PS3 and 2 titles. The rest I'll rent.

BUT, as batter exclusive PS3 games become available, I think the casual blu-ray supporter will start supporting blu-ray games, rather than movies.

Blu-Ray sucks and so does the PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Sony.

It's not fun reading these forums unless you get Steve here (or one of his many profiles).

Aside from lack of games, what sucks?

I just picked up a PS3 and its fine. I haven't picked up any games yet, but the demos are decent and blu-ray playback is great.

There's no difference between it and HD DVD. I prefer HD DVD myself, but want to be able to watch as many movies in HD as possible and now I can.

"Aside from lack of games, what sucks?"

Uhh..it's a game console...a game console with no games, well, to put it bluntly...sucks. Sorry.

"Aside from lack of games, what sucks?"

Well that's the main thing. Both the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 have more games and exclusives and they're both cheaper. And most of the games I can get on the PS3 I can also get on the 360.

Plus it's kind of the catch 22. No one buys the PS3 because it doesn't have any games. It's not going to get more games unless more people buy it (because developer's don't won't to make games for a system that no one has).

Yeah, but that doesn't mean the console itself sucks or the blu-ray sucks as he said. PS3 is the best blu-ray player out there for the money - that's why I own one now.

And games will come. If it wasn't for blu-ray though, the PS3 would have been a total disaster.

"Aside from lack of games, what sucks?"

I'm sure a google search will come up with something, but it's been said that PS3 is a nightmare for developers compared to XBox 360. So... developers have a hard time developing -> less games come out for that system -> people see that there are less games and they don't buy that system.

(Disclaimer: I don't have any of the three game systems. I play games on my PC. I don't own either HD disc format players. I'm sitting it out until one wins.)

But it is so far.

Its selling faster than the PS1, PS2 and 360 did at the same point after launch so no, it isnt failing at all.

360 SHIPPED 3.2m in it's first 7 months.
PS3 SOLD 3.6m in the same period.

And then it stopped at 3.6 it hasn't gotten any better and doesn't look it will.

I don't know if I would call it a disaster. It saved blu-ray. Without it, blu-ray would be dead.

For gaming, it will probably start to take shape by end of year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. The problem is currently (as of now) it's the worst selling system.

Wait, you bought a PS3 and no games? Are you using it exclusively for BD playback? Hell, you are already invested, you may as well get some gaming going.

Their good games aren't coming out until next year. It may be too late by then.

competition is always good for the consumer. if only one HD format was availiable we still be paying $700-1000 for the player. I hope this gets the price down to $200 by the end of the year. we still paying $300 for standard dvd player in 2001.

Hard to argue with the pricing of HD-DVD. Blu-Ray is so much more expensive. I guess Sony did not learn from the overpricing of Beta-Max.

Hmm...so we actually agree on this point?

Interesting that you prefer HD-DVD to Blu-Ray...you do know Microsoft backs HD-DVD, right? (just messin' with ya man :D)

Careful he may change his mind after that ;)

I am not planning on getting either. If i was going to get one, i would get Blu-Ray as it is superior and i could get a PS3 at the same time.

But....like i said, i am not getting either. I have all the DVD's i want, and i can just get HD On Demand for most other movies.

M$ backs HD-DVD just beacuse Sony would not include their crappy iHD menu system

HD-DVD Promotional Group is a joke, they exclude PS3s as a Blu-ray player just to claim their victory and now making a big deal about a slight increase in their hardware sales which by the way are a piece of crap. I own the HD-DVD add-on and tried out Toshiba's player, both blows... I feel sorry for the consumer on investing on a product that's going down the drain within a few months. The only ones who will support it then are the XBOX and HD-DVD fanboys who have no frickin' life but to keep bashing on Sony just to make their crapbox & HD-DUD players feel superior.

Here you go again with it is superior, ok what ever you say. But the bit rate is faster crap is about to spew to the top!

Wait till Sony screws you with fees to play your blo-ray disks add-ons and locks the disk to your Pcrap3. $ony will screw you and I bet you'll enjoy it.

and Micro$oft is an angel? give me a f'ing break!

They back the format not make it.

You always use the $ for MS and Sony does not deserve that give me a break.

Don't forget the part about more storage capacity on the blu-ray format, even though the article on BN last year from CES mentioned that there were no movies using more than one layer of the capacity for blu-ray anyway.

/sarcasm

What exactly blows about the HD-DVD add on and Toshiba player? You put a disc in and it plays right? What else is it supposed to do as long as it doesn't overheat and skip or anything? Are you supposed to be able to play games on it or something?

The reason MS backs HD DVD is because HD DVD can be streamed over a network, Blue-Ray cannot.
I really wish more people would do their homework.

Knock Knock?

Hello?

Anybody home?

You really need to read the articles before spewing nonsense, ps3 is NOT a standalone player the HD-DVD add on for the xbox360 is not included either, which it should be because if someone buys the hd-dvd drive they are using it for one purpose, movies

The ps3 there is no definitive proof how many of them are being used for movies.

huh? That is the BS line they feed the general public. You _can_ make "managed copies" off of Blu-Ray disks.

Blu-Ray does not include the M$ iHD interactive menu system; it does include a Java layer. M$ hates Java as they are not in control.

Plus, Blu-Ray is supported by Sony. The marketing of the 360 would be a bit difficult if M$ had to support the functions of a competitor, namely the PS3.

"You _can_ make "managed copies" off of Blu-Ray disks."

'Managed copy' is only optional under the BD spec.

It is mandatory under HD DVD.

You be sure to come back and tell us the full ins and outs & all about the managed copies of BD movies you've actually made.....especially when the BD+ sh*te kicks in.

Wake up & wise up and stop trying to mislead people.

It's been obvious from the start that the Blu-ray side want nothing to do with 'managed copy' or any concept of 'fair use' (hence it only being an option under their spec) that doesn't end up with the studios & hardware manufacturers holding all the 'rights' and the consumer getting s*d all in the way of anything either 'right' or 'fair'.

You are right there, they need all the space for the scre* the customer options like + and Java. Make you pay for bonus features and stuff. Sony so loves the customer.

lol. not sure you understand what "Fair Use" is.

1) Does it mean you can make a single copy _EVER_?
2) Does it mean if you don't use HDMI, the output will be down-rezzed?
3) Does it mean the content owner at _any_ time can revoke your right to view the content?
4) Does it mean it will only play on devices the content owner allows?
5) Does it mean the content owner can change its supported devices at any time, thereby rendering your copy useless?

That is what a "managed-copy" is. So M$ surely cares a lot about the consumer and big bad Sony clearly does not.

You said
You _can_ make "managed copies" off of Blu-Ray disks.

So stop trying to swerve the point.

Managed copy is mandatory under HD DVD specs and it is only optional with BD.

Remember to come back and tell us how you got on making your managed copies of your Blu-ray movies, eh?

Considering AACS is supported on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, managed copies are the same with either.

Not sure what your point is....Nice how you ducked my point. But you are a troll anyhow so that is to be expected.

"Considering AACS is supported on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, managed copies are the same with either."

- No they are not.

Is this just your sheer ignorance at work or are you just flat-out lying?

BD+ takes Blu-ray into a whole new arena.

"Not sure what your point is....Nice how you ducked my point."

- BS
(and if you're going to try and take a swipe do to be original and relevant for a change, huh?).

The point is clear, back up your claim.

You said "You _can_ make "managed copies" off of Blu-Ray disks.".

I'm asking you to back that claim up when it is a fact that 'managed copy' is mandatory under the HD DVD spec but only optional under the Blu-ray specs.

I'd also love you show how managed copy is possible with a BD+ disc.

Go ahead; the floor is yours......

"But you are a troll anyhow so that is to be expected."

- You're either a cretin or a liar.

Rather laughably your little game of pretending to be neutral on these matters has lasted about 2 posts.
Typical Sony/PS3/BD shill/drone.

"Troll" he says.....ffs, if only you were capable of disguising your innate stupidity for a few moments, eh?

Again, you clearly have no understanding of how "managed copies" work on _both_ Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. It is the _SAME_ system.

http://www.aacsla.com/what/overview

AACS is how it is done. It is a standard. Go wait for your 360 to come back from the repair shop, nub.

If you would have left it at "It is a standard" you may have had a point.

But you did the childish thing like you ALWAYS do and ASSUME he even has a Xbox360 because he is defending hd-dvd.

Hence, this would make you a troll.

The "go wait for your 360" and your little attempt to make a point was ruined with the end comment. Also your 360 comment makes no sense as MS is only backing HD-DVD.

Should blu-ray win all MS has to do is create a blu-ray add-on drive.

YOU = FAIL

Oh, and you are wrong as well. The two are different as Blu-Ray goes a step further with BD+

The newest generations of optical disc media, HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc, attempt to address this issue. Both formats employ the Advanced Access Content System, which provides for several hundred different decryption keys (for the varying models of players to hit the market), each of which can be invalidated ("revoked") should one of the keys be compromised. Revoked keys simply will not appear on future discs, rendering the compromised players useless for future titles. (you were right up until here)

Blu-ray Disc goes one step further with a separate technique called BD+, a virtual machine that can execute code included on discs to verify, authorize, revoke, and update players as the need arises. Since the protection program is on the disc rather than the player, this allows for updating protection programs within BD's working life by simply having newer programs included on newer discs.

BEEP BEEP BEEP!

DOES THIS THING WORK?

HELLO!

MS DID NOT CREATE HD-DVD, they are only backing the format.

Seriously, its obvious you have it bad for MS but is it possible for you to make one post without bringing them up?

I have no idea what you are commenting on as you are so far off of the main point of the discussion.

to borrow your childish expression: YOU = FAIL

You dont read too many tech news sites, do you?

The '$' in Micro$oft is not _my_ invention.

What did you expect terminalx?

These shills in their various guises (like this one popping up with the regular opening 'a plague on both your houses' routine - which can be counted upon to last all of 30 seconds) just avoid any serious issues or specifics.

They can do that 'cut n paste' BS but actually debating what it means exposes them utterly.

You'll hear nothing about BD+ and it's implications for 'managed copy' or the fact that 'managed copy' is only optional under the Blu-ray spec from this crud.

I'm dying to hear what he has copied under the Blu-ray system of 'managed copy' he himself said people could use - and the full step-by-step specific guide so others can repeat the process.

Yeah right, as if.

It's just the same old shills spouting same old empty sh*t.

Actually, I was commenting on your babble.

Here in case you forgot what you wrote:

By pitdingo

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 9:54 PM

Again, you clearly have no understanding of how "managed copies" work on _both_ Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. It is the _SAME_ system.

http://www.aacsla.com/what/overview

AACS is how it is done. It is a standard. Go wait for your 360 to come back from the repair shop, nub.

So its a little more clear here was my response:

By terminalx

edited Jul 18, 2007 - 10:59 PM

If you would have left it at "It is a standard" you may have had a point.

But you did the childish thing like you ALWAYS do and ASSUME he even has a Xbox360 because he is defending hd-dvd.

Hence, this would make you a troll.

The "go wait for your 360" and your little attempt to make a point was ruined with the end comment. Also your 360 comment makes no sense as MS is only backing HD-DVD.

Should blu-ray win all MS has to do is create a blu-ray add-on drive.

YOU = FAIL

Oh, and you are wrong as well. The two are different as Blu-Ray goes a step further with BD+

The newest generations of optical disc media, HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc, attempt to address this issue. Both formats employ the Advanced Access Content System, which provides for several hundred different decryption keys (for the varying models of players to hit the market), each of which can be invalidated ("revoked") should one of the keys be compromised. Revoked keys simply will not appear on future discs, rendering the compromised players useless for future titles. (you were right up until here)

Blu-ray Disc goes one step further with a separate technique called BD+, a virtual machine that can execute code included on discs to verify, authorize, revoke, and update players as the need arises. Since the protection program is on the disc rather than the player, this allows for updating protection programs within BD's working life by simply having newer programs included on newer discs.

Is that clear enough or should I use smaller words?

Also, ON THE BLU-RAY FAQ SITE there is this


Will Blu-ray support mandatory managed copy?

Yes, mandatory managed copy (MMC) will be part of the Blu-ray format. This feature will enable consumers to make legal copies of their Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network.

Please note that "mandatory" refers to the movies having to offer this capability, while it will be up to each hardware manufacturer to decide if they want to support this feature.

Studios that go with HD-DVD have to use managed copy, blu-ray has the option to not use it.

Oh and IHD is not a Microsoft invention either,

iHD is an XML-based interactivity specification currently used by HD DVD. It is not "Microsoft's iHD," but rather a specification developed jointly by Microsoft, Disney, and the DVD Forum.

Wow you calling someone a troll.

I know that but it goes along with your blind hate of MS.

Hum< I don't read much tech news site, I have posted before that I am in the IT field so that would mean that I do. You blind hate is laughable at best.