RSSHD DVD Player Drops Below $200
By Nate Mook | Published October 29, 2007, 4:13 PM
Despite the fanfare, the battle for control over the next-generation DVD market is still inconsequential; the DVD version of Transformers sold 43 times more copies than the HD DVD version, which was the best selling title thus far. But that could change this holiday with players finally dropping below $200.
Circuit City and Wal-Mart are now selling the Toshiba A2 -- a second-generation HD DVD player -- for $198, over $100 off its original price of $299. The A2 only offers 1080i output, but most new televisions can do 1080i-to-1080p conversions better than players anyway, and firmware upgrades keep it as up to date as current Toshiba HD DVD players.
Although the price drop may be more of an effort to clear stock for the new A3 rather than attract customers, it's a sign that high-definition prices are starting to reach the magic $199 number where DVDs took off. The impending launch of a Chinese HD DVD-compatible (but different due to piracy concerns) format could bring even cheaper players later this year.
This could be bad news for Sony's Blu-ray format, which has sold far fewer standalone players than HD DVD due to much higher price tags. Sony's trump card to date has been the PlayStation 3, which includes Blu-ray support and has brought in the majority of high-definition disc sales this year, outselling HD DVD discs nearly 2 to 1.
Such a position has enabled Sony to secure exclusive movie studio deals (Sony itself has a studio), as well as recent promotional agreements with Blockbuster and Target. But the HD DVD group has surprisingly little concern about the matter, claiming that when the customers are there, both formats will be supported equally.
Those behind HD DVD told BetaNews earlier this year that the tide will turn when standalone players reach $199 and consumers start buying (Xbox 360's HD DVD add-on is already $179, but requires an Xbox). Microsoft's Kevin Collins noted that once HD DVD hits 1 million set top players sold, which could happen before the end of the year, none of the movie exclusivity will matter, because the studios will go where the money is.
But there's still quite a bit of uncertainty in the marketplace, which may scare consumers off this holiday season.
Even at $199, buyers will worry that their investments may be worthless in a couple years. This is why HD DVD is banking on combo-discs to bolster sales. Most new HD DVD discs include a standard-definition DVD version of the movie on the other side, making them usable no matter what the future holds.
For anyone interested in best selling info from amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp...nav/002-2931170-1416064
DVD players and recorders category
Top 20 is very interesting
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|Very interesting. This info on Amazon sales is pretty much right in line with what I was saying in my post below about what I have seen happen at the retail level. I know what the press is saying about how Blu-ray is doing so well in the marketplace but that sure doesn't match up with what I am seeing at the retail level.
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|Same here.
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|They should combine an HD DVD player inside one of those cheap little HDTVs that Wal-Mart sells, like the models that have a DVD player or VCR built in.
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|I dont think ive even seen a physical HD disc in a store yet be it Blu-ray or HD-DVD.. but still they should do like they did with DVD-R/DVD+R make only dual format players.
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|You don't get out much...do you?
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|As someone that works at a BestBuy all week and talks to dozens of HD TV buyers every day, I can tell you with certainty there there is almost no interest what so ever at the retail level in either HD DVD or Blu-Ray players. Most consumers just don't see the value in spending $300 to $700 on a high def player, and then $25 to $45 on new discs, when they can just buy an very nice upconverting DVD player that upconverts to 720p or 1080p for under $70, that gets them relatively close to that same level of performance, without having to buy a single new disc to do it.
Recall that the extra detail that 720p and 1080p players provide is only visible to the viewer if they are sitting closer than about 5ft from the TV. This is due to the fact that the human eye is only so good and can only see and discern so much detail. Most viewers that buy HD TV's 37" and above sit farther back than 5ft, unless they are playing video games. And, contrary to popular belief, only about 2 to 3 percent of HD TV buyers are game players, of any kind. Most viewers watching HD TV's greater than 37" are reporting that they are sitting between 10 and 12 feet back from their screens on average, far beyond the range of being able to see the added detail provided by HD DVD or Blu-ray discs, on a screen of almost any size.
People love HD TV's for many reasons, but there is almost no interest in HD DVD players or Blu-ray players at all right now with consumers. The new, very innexpensive upconverting DVD players are selling like hotcakes every day however. The store I work at is lucky if they sell one or two HD DVD or Blu-ray players a week, if that, and this is a very high traffic store in a well to do area just ouside of Denver. The upconverting standard DVD players are selling like hotcakes though because of their incredibly low price points and no need to buy new discs for use with them.
People are affraid of losing the "format war" and they don't like to pay the higher prices that HD DVD and Blu-ray command still for players and discs. This goes back to my original premise that HD DVD and Blu-ray payers are great devices for the very well off who can afford them, but for the general consuming public, which most of us are, they only solve a problem that just didn't really exist. Hence, the demand for them in the marketplace (or lack there of) is entirely reflective of that.
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|I forgot to mention that in the Best Buy store that I work at, even though there is no interest at all essentially in HD DVD or in Blu-Ray players, for the afore mentioned reasons, those few that do come in to buy High Def DVD players are buying HD DVD over Blu-ray by a factor of about 10 to 1. Why? Because of the lower price point of course.
Now that we will have players below the "magical" $200 price point before the holiday sesaon on the HD DVD format, I would exepect to see that gap continue to widen even more.
Now, if you are looking for Sony to respond with a sub-$200 Blu-ray player of their own, don't hold your breath on that happening any time soon. Yes, they do want market share, but they don't want to be in a "race to the bottom" either. They want to capture what they perceive to be the higher end of the market: the consumer that values all the higher end features that are present in a $500 to $900 premium Blu-ray player. Unfortunately, only about 1 out of every 500 customers that actually walk into a store have any clue what those features even are, let alone places any value on them.
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|Mike,
I've been saying it for a long time. Upconverted S-DVD looks pretty damn good. This is why I only buy certain movies on BD or HD-DVD.
BD and HD-DVD fanboys don't want to hear it let alone believe it because of investment in the new formats. I already know that most non-tech people have no clue what HD-DVD or BD is.
I have a problem with Best Buys however. When BD first came out, you couldn't even ask about HD-DVD without some guy who knows nothing and doesn't own a BD player telling you it's better for no apparent reason. Take DaveBG for instance, he didnt own a BD player until June 2007. I saw his post on blu-ray.com when he finally bought one.
Only true movie fans with disposable income are interested in BD or HD-DVD. Then there is the BD crowd, who arent considered human, they are a hive mind like the Borg from Star Trek with no independent thoughts.
They can't help it though, they were born to be sheep.
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|Hey Guys,
Sony is having meetings to explain losing Warner Brothers as we speak. Stay tuned for the thermonuclear fallout. A few Sony employees already know about this.
If I'm wrong, I will become a PS3 and BD fanboy and sign Dave's petition.
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|It's really too bad the 360 didn't include the HD-DVD natively (can't remember if the format came out before the player or what). If it had, Blu-ray would have been history MONTHS ago.
Too bad.
(Mostly because I despise anything that is even remotely Sony-related)
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|Didn't they dump the prices of laserdisc players like this, just before the end?
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|Sony lowered the price of the PS3. Didn't 3DO dump the price of their console like that before the end? Aren't you even slightly embarrassed to still be posting nonsense like that here. You've already been caught lying through your teeth yet you persist as if you think anyone still takes you seriously. You're a clown.
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|"Aren't you even slightly embarrassed"
nope he isn't, he's just earning those paychecks
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|Hey look, it's Joey "Nope, 8 per store" Deacon trying to put hypocritical spin on things again.
Not all LaserDisc players dropped in price, 'Professor'... just the low-end models. Some remained extremely high (then and now), such as Pioneer's Elite models.
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|I think this is going to be the turning point for the format. Not only is the largest retailer in the country selling them, but selling them below $200. The A3 won't be far behind either, so this is definitely permanent and the prices will only get lower as time goes by.
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|It could have a big impact. You notice, and I forget the brand, but they became the best selling HD TV brand in the country once Wal-Mart and Sam's Club started selling them. Now consumers can get a cheap HD TV and cheap HD DVD player in the same place. I would imagine some package deals around Christmas.
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|Money talks, see? now I'm about to be the perfect example about this crap, didn't I said a couple of days ago, that until the human being was able to submerge into a virtual world, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD were still going to be the same?....now see, reading that this thing is going under $200, now I'm considering to buy one, not because I think it will be any better than standard DVD but just to be able to have one!...so, my friends. This is to prove my point that as long as things lower the price ANYTHING could sell...man, oh man! I'm just waiting for PS3 to come down to at least $150 and I will be laughing to see EVERYBODY! trying to get one...
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|$150?...woah...gonna be waiting for quite some time...its going to be some time before the Wii hits $150....the PS2 didn't hit $150 until relatively recent....the PS4, the WiiToo and the Xbox 720(the second 2 obviously being made up) will have hit market before the PS3 (or probably the 360 for that matter) hits $150...
now on to the rest...the big thing for me in the format war is not going to be the price of the players per say...its going to be the adoption of HDTV...until HDTV becomes the norm, the average consumer has no need for HD-DVD OR Blu-ray....as neither will give any sort of benefit on an SDTV...The PS3 and 360 can deliver next gen graphics on an SDTV...it looks better on an HDTV, but they are still the same graphics on an SDTV...when it comes to movies however you just can't take advantage of what the formats have to offer without an HDTV...
Its going to be years before HDTV's become the norm in households in the US, or anywhere else in the world...and therefore it could be years before HD media sales are on a wide enough scale to decide a winner...
Its sad really...because the format war hurts the consumers more than say, the console war...when it comes to games the 360 and the PS3 can coexist just like the PS2 and xbox did...the vast majority of titles are multi-platform...and for the most part historically the two companies have offered different focuses...the xbox tends to be portrayed as the home of the FPS....while the Playstation brand has always been looked at as a great home for platformer games, as well as RPG's...i know these are gross generalizations as both consoles offer all sorts of games, but in many circles its how they are looked at...not to mention hardcore gamers make up a small percentage of the population, and are normally able to make a decision between the two based on SOMETHING (could be they are just a fan boy, or they really think one is better than the other for ACTUAL reasons).
But...the HD format war is just bad news...the average consumer is well...dumb...you would be amazed at how many people don't know that HD-DVD won't play in their current DVD players...there is just plain confusion over what the hell these new formats are...and im sure even fewer still know that they won't be seeing an HD picture on their SDTV at home...
It doesn't matter which side you support, the format war is just plain bad...I for one support Blu-ray, and I truly think that Blu-ray will end up being the winner when all is said and done, but i could be wrong...and honestly just want it over...I personally think the Paramount HD-DVD exclusive deal was the worst thing that could have happened for consumers. If Paramount had gone Blu-ray exclusive IMO the format war would have been all but over with Blu-ray controlling nearly all of the major studios...Now that Paramount is HD-DVD exclusive it has at best case senerio prolonged the format war i would say a couple years...Idk for sure hat side will "win" or if either side will...
not to mention its driving player prices down almost too fast...companies are rushing to drop their hardware prices further and further, cutting deeper and deeper into their profits to one up the other while still nobody is buying either format in mass when you look at sales...
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|...yeah okay, $150 was way down...but what I was sarcastically trying to say is that dropping prices does boost sales and the "fanboys" sometimes reveal their hypocrisy under the skin, when you go "Oh, now its cheap!" But all in all, you are correct about adopting to our renovated entertaining technology though. It will take a long time before people start adopting to it and until then, a real winner can not be defined =).I just wish people stop acting like geniuses and act as if they built the whole thing and as if they actually know the real specs of things. To me, both, Xbox 360 and PS3 are powerful machines simply because their graphics are superior than what we had five, ten, twenty years ago. But there is no need to make a "War" about it lol. Same thing for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, to me they're both superior than VHS, and so is standard DVD, but like you said, until every household adopts to HDTV then we won't see a real "winner".
As for my whole idea of an entertaining experience? something that will really make me say, "WOW, this is really beyond anything else" would be for me to be inside the game or the movie...think of it as in a holographic world, yeah!!!...maybe thirty or fifty years from now hehehehehe.
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|Give it a few months and the PS3 will be reduced to an oversized paperwieght and you should be able to get one. It will look nice on your desk, right next to your MAC.
Ooops!
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|LMFAO!!!I hate the MAC!!!
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|Right next to his media access control?
Just a minor pet peeve of mine (Mac not MAC)
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|For the most part, excellent post.
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|"It doesn't matter which side you support, the format war is just plain bad...I for one support Blu-ray, and I truly think that Blu-ray will end up being the winner"
example, raceism is bad, but i for one like the term cracker.
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|You Want WOW? Vista!
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|YEEEEEEESS!!!
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|...Like in Big Mac?
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|Umm, that was Dave / Joey Deacon's post under the name Metfanant, he's trying to give one of his usernames come credibility.
Don't fall for it, he's completely full of sh!t.
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|Format wars are only bad for early adopters, the people who wait get the cheap players that actually work. Format and console wars are great for consumers because prices becomes the issue.
If you have the means and you would like to enjoy HD movies, just buy a combo player and be perfectly happy, rent whatever you want.
My next purchase will be a good combo, but it has to have HDi and at least profile 1.1 for BD.
Let's re-word Metfanant / Joey / Dave's post to reflect what he really wants to say.
"It doesn't matter which side you support, the format war is just plain bad (for Dave)...I for one support Blu-ray (because of my hatred for Microsoft), and I truly HOPE that Blu-ray will end up being the winner (because Warner will jump ship next)"
If you werent so cheap and actually loved movies, you would have both players. You are not a movie fan, just a format fanboy.
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|Like in Mac doesn't stand for anything, it's just short for Macintosh. Using all capitals denotes an acronym. MAC in the computer world stands for Media Access Control.
As for the Big Mac, well it's just gross.
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|LOL! gotcha ;)
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|once again Hollywood has no links...he has no proof for anything he says...once again my name isn't dave...and its great that you think it is...and once again he dances around other people's points by bragging about how big his package, i mean brain is...
I know that Blu-ray has more exclusive studios...I know that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD 2:1 in the states and by MUCH larger margins outside the US...i know that Paramount LIED about Transformer sales...
I dont need to sway anyone to Blu-ray...they are going that way on their own...lets recap...
even after you have claimed victory for HD-DVD on numerous occasions...Paramount switch, triple layer discs, blu-ray being "unfinished", cheaper HD-DVD players, cheaper discs, cheaper this and that...the sales numbers CONTINUE to support the fact that blu-ray has a growing lead in sales...its wonderful to read your posts that lack any sort of value...
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|I just thought you all should know it's just been confirmed by an independent study group that 81% of the PS1 and PS2's sold have failed.
Also, PS3's have been catching on fire at an alarming rate.
WTF Sony?
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|proof? link?
didnt think so...
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|Actually the only fire I heard about was a year ago and turned out to be a hoax.
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|Wow Dave, you don't seem to need proof for any of your BS, why am I held to a higher standard?
That's right ... you are the only one who gets upset over this nonsense.
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|Holly's 'alarming rate' is bulls***
But there was a couple of real issues, however few they were
Kotaku wrote a article about it, one of their ps3's overheated bigtime.
For the life of me I cant find the article now though, it was end of last year.
The fake article was at http://netnoob.instantspot.com. I remember it well :)
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|Dave is very frustrated, see his "Metfanant" post below.
He knows he can't hang with me on an intellectual level, he knows I'm always right, and he can't swing one single person in here to the "Blu" as the girls call it at blu-ray.com
He knows his beloved Blu Ray is in trouble and just can't deal with the news. It's all so obvious and the pressure is getting to him.
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|plant the flag, the war is over. $199 is a good price point. x-mas sales will be great.
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|Man, if I ever did get my hands on $200, this is the last thing I'd buy with it.
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|I'll buy you one. Unless you want a free XA1, It works great, I replaced it with the A2 a while back.
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|I'll take a free XA1! :)
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|Well that settles it, zridling wouldn't buy one so that's the end of the format. Call Toshiba and let them know.
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|i love how Hollywood says Blu-ray is in trouble...PS3 sales have "died?" how so...the PS3 has sold as many consoles as the PS2 did up to this point in its life cycle...at a way higher price...the PS3 is fine....
and regardless Blu-ray is FAR from in trouble....what is your excuse going to be in a couple months when Blu-ray is STILL outselling HD-DVD by a large margin after all this cheap players have been on the market? i can't wait to hear it...
why is blu-ray STILL outselling HD-DVD...are they all ill-informed idiots...or are you?...
where are the Triple Layer HD-DVD's that "all current players will be able to play" oh thats right...they have not even produced a single one yet...hmm wonder why....
why was a Warner exec present at Disney's blu-ray festival saying things like "we are reassessing our stance in the format war" and also things like "we are committed to blu-ray"...hmm...is Warner going to kill HD-DVD by going blu-exclusive...i would put money on it...
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|Wow,
You logged in under a new name, I guess Joey has been hounded enough.
It seems you actually get upset over this nonsense, which is pretty sad. I already know you spend every waking moment visiting forums and posting the exact same garbage you do here.
You made your way to Amazon I see, everybody there also calls you a complete idiot. You obviously have very low self esteem issues, no freinds, and a pathetic existence.
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|"where are the Triple Layer HD-DVD's that "all current players will be able to play" oh thats right...they have not even produced a single one yet...hmm wonder why...."
That's pretty weak, considering HD DVD is a fully functional and mature HD solution on the single- and double-layer discs that are out now, as opposed to Blu-ray.
Where, oh where, are all the promised additional Blu-ray "vastly superior" interactive features and the seemingly trivial-to-implement PiP abilities that have been promised the consumer since the format launched, 1½ years ago? No guarantees... yet? More claims and false promises, since consumers have no reason as of yet to believe otherwise.
Many speculate and assume the PlayStation 3 has all the requirements to be even Profile 2.0 compliant, let alone Profile 1.1. Why have there not been any firmware updates to add those fabled features to their most capable player after so long on the market?
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|I seem to recall someone saying the PS3 firmware update would be out in a matter of weeks. Trouble is, this post was several months ago. :)
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|Wait until all the people that bought blu-ray set top boxes get screwed with the lack of profile 1.1 and higher. The average consumer is not going to know anything about this issue until they are screwed. Sony has a nice reputation of doing just this. I see that Warner has not paid their fees to renew their license for blo ray so maybe that reassessing is not what you think. That can be spun anyway you want. We have to wait and see. Blind speculation is FUD which you seem to be good at.
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|They are right behind the games that are coming.
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|SGD, as a PS3 owner, I would love to see profile 1.1 get added soon. I just know Sony is going to screw everybody like they always do with delays and crippled firmware updates.
Unfortunately there are titles I want and are are BD exclusive, like the POTC trilogy, Cars, and the rest of the Pixar movies when they become available. I buy all cross platform releases on HD-DVD because BD's lack of great faetures. HD-DVD's HDi is vastly superior and 300 is one of the best examples.
The fact that people like Dave go crazy over any good news for a competing format or game console shows he has no faith in BD and regrets his purchase. He has to come here and complain to feel better about himself and hid bad decision.
It's all about the money, when I bought a Toshiba DVD player way back when on the day the format was launched, only to find out Fox, Disney and a few others were staying Divx exclusive, it pissed me off because I spent $750 on a player (which still works but doesn't play DVD+R's)and soon realised I was going to get screwed.
I had no idea Warner didn't renew thier contract with Blu Ray, this will be huge news if they jump ship.
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|They said that they were holding off on some announcement. I don't know what the fee is but makes me kind of wonder. There was a couple of threads about it over on AVS the other day. Of course all the BD people started crap there and on bluray.com. The fact remains that the license has not been renewed pending an announcement. I can only speculate that there may be a s*** in their strategy with the HD side of business. Why would you not renew if you plan to stay blu or or even go exclusive blu, makes no sense to me and many others. If anything adds more fuel to the fire of the possibility that they may go HD DVD like Paramount. I know the blu crew will flame this as crap but there were many discussions about this. This does however look strange with there comments of supporting the blu format. Then again, one has to look at Paramount they did pretty much did the same thing then out of no where dropped the bomb. All I can say is time will tell.
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|What about Warner not renewing thier BD license fo 2008? Isn't that odd?
I think BD is in trouble and eventually will be a Disney movie player because they will be the last hold out just like with Divx.
As Dave says "has his blinkers (blinkers?) on"
I loved that post you made with the "blinkers" comment. It just shows how bad your vocabulary is and you usually have no clue what you are talking about.
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|I for one hope they (Warner) go HD-DVD exclusive. Not because Blu Ray fanoboys won't be able buy thier movies, but just to watch them go nuclear over thier PS3 purchase.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to wait unless it's big news. If they go exclusive BD, I will wait until they release movies with the extra features for 1.1.
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|There is a ton of money out of pocket for all blu ray supporting studios since Sony is stopping financial assistance in the duplication process. This is huge out of pocket that they might not want to do at this time with sales so low when compared to SD DVD. If they go blu I will be doing the same and wait until the format is actually final. A year into the format and they still get the concept final is a joke. Sony should be getting crap from even the fan boys but their religion to the format has blinded them to what can happen when all is said and done. I really fear the locking disks to drives idea the most. Profile 2.0 can make this a standard. I like you have both so I feel that I can critique either format.
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|I believe the fee to sit on the BDA Board of Directors is $50,000.
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|"just to watch them go nuclear over thier PS3 purchase"
No kidding. Can you imagine how miffed they would be if that happened?
All it takes is skimming through everyone's post signatures on AVS and bluray.com to see how many people use their PS3 60 GB models to watch BD titles. Hardly a stand-alone BD player to be found. :)
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|Now I truly understand the joy that Hollywood_ has when he craps in Joey/Dave/Benjamin/Slapnuts cornflakes so often.
I'm posting this again, just to clarify, and debunk the 18 per store myth:
http://bigtech.blogs.for...ba-player-for-under-200/
"O’Brien (spokeswoman for Wal-mart) said rumors that each Wal-Mart store would stock only 18 units of the Toshiba player were false. “There are no limited quantities for stores or purchases.”"
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|link is broken just so you know...
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|I can tell you exactly how all this BS gets started. Every time there is positive HD-DVD news the Blo-Ray cheerleaders kick it into high gear and start trying to spread BS to make it look bad as fast as they can. It is sad really that someone is so pathetic that they would go to those kind of links to support a shiny piece of plastic.
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|Fixed it...thanks.
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|His link below works just fine. ---> http://bigtech.blogs.for...ba-player-for-under-200/
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|Oh, believe me...I understand how it starts. I've lurked on this site for a long time, and have watched the smurf brigade's attempted FUD campaign (gotta throw that term in every once in awhile) since Mark Gillespe was still coming around.
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|pridewalker, you rock.
Hollywood does what he can to entertain. Dave is just an easy target. He's not very bright, has a limited imagination and vocabulary.
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|Mark is still coming around, once I started checking time stamps on the posts, it just so happened DaveBG and Steve Austin were posting just a minute or two later.
Mark was one of DaveBG's usernames. He uses GMail or hotmail email addresses to keep coming up with new ones. It was right after BetaNews mentioned "Mark Gillespie" in a story, he got spooked and stopped using it.
He's a scared little girl and he knows it.
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|I vaguely remember that story...
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|Thank you for that, it's really nice to have actual facts instead of lies and FUD. :)
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|still hasn't helped format sales any has it?? with Blu-ray still leading...
http://www.deadlineholly...-big-ass-fat-stupid-lie/
uh oh...did Paramount flat out lie about Transformers sales?...would that mean the blu-ray version of 300 is still the best selling High Def disc...hmm...
and about the PS3...they did replace the 60GB...with the 80GB...and right now both cost exactly the same amount of money...
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|"still hasn't helped format sales any has it??"
What hasn't, this price drop? Come on now, it just happened. Aren't we rushing things?
The lie thing I'm not convinced of at all. It would not be the first time that speculation and false rumors were spread as fact. I think I'll wait for independent proof before I condemn Paramount or continue spreading that story.
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|"Blu-ray/HD DVD: Which Hollywood Studio Is Accused Of 'Big Ass, Fat, Stupid Lie'?"
Oh i am really tempted to read this article for interesting and factual information
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|Metfanant / Joey,
Did you notice the two top stories at avsforum are "HD-DVD breaks the $200 barrier" and "Sony has lost 100 billion yen, doubling thier projected loss with the PS3"
Oh wait, I forgot, you got banned from that site a long time ago.
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|For all the PS3/Sony fanboys ranting and raving about "fire sale" and "18 per store" I have one question. Weren't you the same fanboys that were ranting and raving about how the PS3 price drop would be permanent and "obviously" they would replace the 60GB model with a new model at that price point?
This would have been when most people were saying it was a fire sale and that the pricepoint wouldn't last forever.
Yep, I believe you were the fools saying any moron knows that they would release a new model at that price point.
Funny how that argument doesn't hold water now. You guys are hilarious.
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|"Weren't you the same fanboys that were ranting and raving about how the PS3 price drop would be permanent and "obviously" they would replace the 60GB model with a new model at that price point?"
And they have, it's the 40GB unit, and it's $100 cheaper.
The only idiot suggesting that it was only a temporary was that cretin Ed Oswald.
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|Kind of like that cretin Joey Deacon who was just on here trying to tell everyone that these would be limited to 8 per store? Hmmm...
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|Its also $100 cheaper as it removed features, of course its going to be cheaper.
this hd-dvd player nothing was removed its the same hd-dvd player.
try again?
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|You are still proving my point. You are saying when Sony did it, obviously they would keep a unit at that pricepoint. Yet for this article, you state they are dumping them because the format is losing. You can't have it both ways chief.
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|LMAO! Dave must have Googled the correct spelling for "cretin" before he typed it. I remember a post that said "around teh internets", he's quite the cunning linguist.
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|How come blu-ray.com hasn't reported the $199.00 HD-DVD player yet?
That's right, they all sit there with thier hands over thier ears, cyber stroking each other's delicate sensibilities reassuring each other that thier "massive" PS3 investement wont go to sh!t.
Joey Deacon / DaveBG a.k.a. Dave Peterson (his real name) elected to come here and post garbage just to enrage HD-DVD enthusiasts. The problem is, he's not very smart and sucks at everything he does in life.
I think he works at a GameStop in Germany.
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|Joey, I notice you skipped responding to every post of mine except the one where you could lie about PS2 failure rates. It's 60-70% like I said.
Now, please tell me that Amazon only has 18 A2's to sell because they are selling it at $197.00.
Oh that's right, you didnt want anyone to know that because they might buy one. You want people to think they are going to be impossible to find so they wont go look for one. Pathetic.
BD is in big trouble this holiday season. The PS3 sales have died but HD-DVD sales are steadily going up.
Too bad for you fanboy. I guess people like you who have to pick one format and stick with it are screwed.
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|Ha ha ha ha ha
Utterly hilarious.
Welcome to the day the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy-trolls said would never arrive,
again
(they once claimed HD DVD going below $300 was impossible too).
.....and as far as studio support goes, well, watch out for Warner and a big announcement very very soon.
If Warner follow Viacom/Paramount & dump Blu-ray it's all over a hell of a lot quicker than many imagined.
(which is why all the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy-trolls are currently out trashing these players & these deals with their ridiculous BS.
They know that a successful Q4 - which was what everyone has been looking to - for HD DVD is going to see Blu-ray rendered a PS3 proprietary format, just like UMD is to PSP.....oh sure, a market of several million worth selling to for some time at least, but basically & ultimately just another dead format going nowhere)
Bye bye suckers.
Transformers proved the point.
One single movie (even on the Videoscan numbers - which exclude Amazon & Walmart......only the biggest retailer in the world and the biggest on-line retailer in the world) reached - depending on whos' stat you prefer - near parity with Blu-ray (although DVD Empire have shown HD DVD ahead more than a few times this year).
Between 10 - 20 times the number of players (that's counting every PS3 as a Blu-ray player for all the dreary little Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy-trolls out there that get their panties in a wad over counting them or not) and they want to crow over a 2% gap on the videoscan numbers!
Like I said, hilarious.
.....and if they can only gap the "dead" or "dying" HD DVD by a mere & highly disputable 2% what does that say about their beloved?
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|HD DVD, that format that needs to invent sales... (Trainsformers actually sold only half of what was claimed, and 300 on Blu-ray vastly outsold it).
http://www.highdefdigest..._DVD_Sales_Numbers/1117
Ohh, and it looks like HD DVD lost another studio, as well as it's credibility.
http://www.highdefdigest...Speculation_Mounts/1105
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|Someone is getting desperate and angry. Any other "speculation" stories or nameless sources you'd like to link to and pass off as facts?
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|"HD DVD, that format that needs to invent sales... (Trainsformers actually sold only half of what was claimed, and 300 on Blu-ray vastly outsold it)."
- Coming from a Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill-drone-fanboy-troll in love with the format that had to resort to a laughable 'Buy one get one free' tactic to try and stop HD DVD overtaking them in sales that is very very funny.
"Ohh, and it looks like HD DVD lost another studio, as well as it's credibility."
- No, it just is obvious there's another blinkered moron desperate to clutch at any straw that might be going.
You guys are making that kind of BS your trademark.
I guess Universal are going Blu at any moment too, eh?
Or that XBox Blu add-on is coming out at any second?
Pathetic.
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|"Trainsformers actually sold only half"
Says the grammar king.
All I see is a bunch of speculation by Blu-Ray cheerleaders.
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|Linking to posts by fellow Sony shills doesn't prove anything. You've been caught lying several times already today, don't you think you should give your thinly stretched credibility a break?
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|So what...
Oh noes! Disney only has 4 seasonal titles lined up for Blu-ray in 2008! That's right... 4 for the whole year. I speculate that they must be getting ready to defect, too!
*sigh*
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|By the way Joey / Dave, please don't stop posting, your pathetic rants are comical.
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|Like you pathetic claims of 70 million faulty PS2's???
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|Joey / Dave,
You seem to be the only loser who takes it personal. Why? Because your pathetic, unexciting, dreary dead end life sucks so bad and you absolutely have nothing better to do.
Did you also notice you are the only one who posts under different names to try and convince people more than one idiot thinks like you do?
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|Prove him wrong...
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|Sorry Joey,
The burden of proof is on you because I'm to lazy to find the facts. You need to disprove my post because it was posted as fact, not opinion.
( I bet that confused the sh1t out of him)
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|Even better, Sears will be selling the A3 on Black Friday for $169!
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|Yeah and you can even go on-line for it rather than go to the store.
That's a hell of a bargain.
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|Very nice :)
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|I saw someone mention that too, but never actually saw proof. May be hard to prove anyway... big sales like that are rarely confirmed this long before BF.
I sure hope it's true, though.
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|http://www.blackfriday.i...rs-black-friday-ad.html
don't know if it true either but i hope so too
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|Cue the violins for the Blu Ray fanboys. Sub $200 is the magic number.
I have an A2, it's a great player, disc take seconds to cue up and play, turn on is about 25 seconds. You can also leave it on all the time, they don't even get warm.
If you want 1080p, buy the A3
Joey Deacon is the biggest baby I have ever had the pleasure of insulting, he is obviously very upset by the news. He claims .... get this ... he had an A2 and eBayed it.
LMAO! What a dork, you can at least make up a better story than that Dave. I can picture you crying while you jerk off in bed with your PS3.
Your 8 per store story is a lie. Amazon has them at $197.00
http://www.amazon.com/To...d=1193703184&sr=8-1
Once again, you are proved to be a complete desperate lying fool.
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|http://www.engadgethd.co...2-hd-dvd-player-for-199/
it'll be on sale nationwide on November 3rd with an allocation of 18 units per store.
Sorry, it's a time limited fire sale.
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|Wrong ............
Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/To...d=1193703184&sr=8-1
You see, I can be a broken record too, except I'm correct and your a liar.
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|That says 18 per store, not 8 like you've been crowing about. Trouble seeing that one, might need glasses. (Notice he has now edited all of his posts to say 18 instead of 8, like no one will remember). Oh and this is your evidence?
"According to the AVS Forum jockey who supposedly took the pic"
Well that certainly proves it (snicker).
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|The HD A30 is the 1080p player Hollywood.
Mind you a 720p/1080i 60Hz player will be just the job for the over-whelming majority of HD TVs out there.
Even the 1080p 60Hz HD TVs.
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|You are correct sir.
I guess the format war and player model numbers aren't the most important thing in my dull life like Davey boy over there.
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|Hey slappy...
Thought that I'd cue you in with an actual news link. From CNN.com:
http://bigtech.blogs.for...ba-player-for-under-200/
And since I know that you'll have a hard time reading the whole thing, allow me to just c&p the important part...
"O’Brien (spokeswoman for Wal-mart) said rumors that each Wal-Mart store would stock only 18 units of the Toshiba player were false. “There are no limited quantities for stores or purchases.”"
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|LMAO! What a dork, you can at least make up a better story than that Dave. I can picture you crying while you jerk off in bed with your PS3.
haa haa now that s&%t is funny
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|I do what I can chevy. Entertaining you guys is more importnt to me than Dave's fragie mental health and imminent nervous breakdown.
He's stting in a corner sucking his thumb right now, rocking back and forth in a cold sweat, I can picture it. Meanwhile his PS3 colects dust waiting for *cough* ....the profile 1.1 update that will add 15 year old technology like interactive CD-ROM capability and PIP .... you know, that feature that HD-DVD has on almost every release without using one layer for the movie and one layer for the movie with PIP.
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|Bye bye Blu-Ray. HD-DVD's cheaper pricing will destroy Blo-Ray in the end just like all of the other overpriced Sony formats.
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|Not at all, what this (as usual) biased article does not tell you, it's limited to 18 per store.
It's a fire sale, not a permenent $199 price tag.
It's also a crappy 1080i player, that takes 3 minutes to boot, looks uglier than anything you could possibly imagine.
Not only is it a HD DVD player, which is bad enough, it's a VERY bad HD DVD player.
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|It's odd that when Sony was clearing out the discontinued PS3 models I don't remember you calling that a fire sale. Maybe you're biased...
Wait, could the biggest Sony shill on Betanews be biased? Nah...
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|Funny, all the reviews I've read seem to say it's quite a good player. In fact someone below posted favourably as well. Secondly, it looks pretty nice in that circuit city photo.
Anyways, I really don't understand why you BD fans look at your format like a religion. I especially love how you all call each BN article biased. Jesus.
This is getting old guys. I enjoy reading comments but this forum is starting to become littered by a select few. You know who you all are!
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|I doubt he has even tried or seen one, he just lies constantly about anything that isn't from "his" company. Why people take sides with and defend corporations as if they are clubs is beyond me. I guess it gives his life some meaning or something.
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|That remains to be seen, perhaps it will but there's no way anyone can know right now. I'm sure sales will pick up but I really doubt that either format is going anywhere for a long time yet.
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|I have an A2 and it works great takes about 30 seconds to load up a disc but thats certainly not the 3 minutes you tried to con people with. My Flat Panels only do 1080I so 1080I is fine with me.
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|"Not at all, what this (as usual) biased article does not tell you, it's limited to 8 per store."
What?
"It's a fire sale, not a permenent $199 price tag."
It's a price drop... plain and simple.
"It's also a crappy 1080i player, that takes 3 minutes to boot, looks uglier than anything you could possibly imagine."
From a quality standpoint, 1080i vs 1080p is rather irrelevant.
It does not take 3 minutes to boot... try 30 seconds, sport. I challenge you to provide a source claiming otherwise on that one.
...and apparently it's not uglier than anything Sony can imagine, as the PlayStation 3 is proof of that.
"Not only is it a HD DVD player, which is bad enough, it's a VERY bad HD DVD player."
Go on then... find a single review to support your ridiculous claim of it being a "VERY" bad player. I couldn't find one, as I have been in the market for quite some time, and the A2 is currently very high on the list based on it's admirable reviews... and now the price.
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|The only thing he's not biased on is all of his usernames. He uses each one equally.
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|Plus another 90 seconds from power on...
I had one, it was total junk, I ebayed it.
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|"It's a price drop... plain and simple."
Nope, 18 per store. Most of these will be on ebay before the public sees them. This is nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt by a desperate HD DVD camp about to lose a big studio.
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|"Not at all, what this (as usual) biased article does not tell you, it's limited to 8 per store."
Of course it's biased...because it's not about the format you support.
Any chance of a link (one that's actually a fact, not speculation) about the 8 per store limit?
"It's a fire sale, not a permenent $199 price tag."
The smurfs really need to make up their minds. When Sony did this with the 20 gb PS3, it was a price drop according to the fanboys. Now that it's (possibly) happening with an HD DVD player, it's a fire sale.
"It's also a crappy 1080i player, that takes 3 minutes to boot, looks uglier than anything you could possibly imagine."
Oops...guess you didn't read the article where it points out that 'most new televisions can do 1080i-to-1080p conversions better than players anyway...'. Furthermore, the average person can't see a difference between 1080i and 1080p; and even when they can, it's on the biggest of TVs.
I have one of these players. It was worth the money at the $299 price point. It takes far less than the 3 min. to boot that you want to whinge about. The fact is, it takes less than 30 secs. total, from pushing the power button, until the movie is on my screen.
PAM (piss and moan) about it all you like. It's a decent player, at a decent price. BR has reason to be worried.
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|Sure you did, and I'm the Pope.
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|"Nope, 8 per store."
You've been asked for a source for this claim already, I see you still aren't providing one. I wonder why...
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|By that same token, why is it ok to call this a "price drop" when it's a sale... Wasn't that the deal the last time...
http://www.betanews.com/...ly_Temporary/1184341133
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|Again... a source for that claim? That's all anyone's asking, because it is out of genuine curiosity (and of course with your track record, you'll understand if no one believes you anymore).
By the way, there's only one format that losing studios is associated with.
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|Silly Smurfs...
I thought you of all people would have remembered that firmware upgrades are the fix for everything... at least that's what you try to make people believe with Blu-ray's shortcomings.
In HD DVD's case, they actually make a difference for the better.
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|The difference between 1080i and 1080p (for the folks who don't already know this):
1080i requires the conversion be done on the TV. Most HD TVs on the market can convert. There are very few that cannot do this.
With 1080p players, the conversion is done on the player.
As far as the consumer is concerned, they'll get 1080p either way. The argument is pointless. (hint, hint)
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|"why is it ok to call this a "price drop" when it's a sale..."
Uh, becuase this is a price drop and not just a sale. Do you people even read the articles or go to the sites themselves before jumping in with erroneous claims?
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|Uhhh Joey, you are completely full of sh!t. Don't go saying you had an HD-DVD when we all know you are Dave and Steve and Benjamin.
Your posts are absolutely pathetic, I can tell you are practically in tears while you are typing.
You are such a loser.
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|I agree, although I think these low priced players have the capability to push HD DVD ahead of Blu-ray.
Only thing blu-ray's had going for it is the PS3 and it doesn't appear that's enough. It hasn't grown its lead since the PS3 first came out.
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|So the story I linked was not a price drop because???????
Oh I get it. It's not because it hurts your argument. Got it.
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|"So the story I linked was not a price drop because???????
I didn't say it wasn't. I was replying to this, you said"
"By that same token, why is it ok to call this a "price drop" when it's a sale"
I simply corrected you, this is not a sale. I didn't say anything at all about the PS3, not a single thing. Yet you link to a PS3 story and try to make it seem like I'm arguing about that. Pathetic.
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|Most people can not tell the difference between 720p/1080i and 1080p anyway. Also most people have 720p sets. Thus making their argument highly pointless.
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|I know one thing. He is not employed by Sony. Not even Sony would have an idiot like him on their payroll lol.
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|No siryak,
Make that all people. Not one person in here could tell me the difference between 1080i and 1080p five out of five times unless they were guessing.
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|Really? Like a child you are.
Let me hold your hand while I try to explain it to you. Tell me if I'm going to fast.
There are talks about price cuts and sales. Joey Deacon called it a "fire sale". yountmj called it a "price drop". Then you pointed out that you don't remember "the biggest Sony shill" (referring to Joey Deacon) calling it a fire sale when sony did it. Then I (Fernz33) question why this could be called a price cut and when sony did it, there was a story that stated "...there really is no "price cut" for the PS3." [Quoted directly from the story; first paragraph]. See the relevance?
Then in your young slowly developing mind, you got confused and forgot that you said "...It's odd that when Sony was clearing out the discontinued PS3 models...". Notice the words "Sony" and more importantly the word "PS3" that YOU mentioned. I just questioned why it's ok to call one a price cut and not the other. I'm not even referring to you specifically saying those things. I was more wondering why this site and others don't call it the same thing for both.
How was that. Would you like me to repeat it. Is your ADHD back under control? Next I'll be reading My Pet Goat for Mr. Bush, would you like me to read it to you?
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|hollywood is totally correct hear. even the experts can't tell the differene.
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|If you're going to be a childish smart aleck I'm not going to bother with you, unless you can grow up long enough to discuss this like an adult. When I said I didn't mention the PS3 I was talking about my reply to YOU. You clearly implied that this is a sale. It is not, you were wrong. If that is not what you meant you should be more careful how you say things in the future.
As for Joey Deacon I'm pretty sure everyone else understood what I meant. To put it in simple terms, if the story involves Sony he proclaims it as great news. Replace the word Sony in exact same story with Microsoft for example and he spreads FUD and says it's the end for that company. I wasn't saying that Sony was having a fire sale, I'm saying that two similar stories get two completely polar reactions from him.
Now do you have any questions or would you like to go the safe route and just call me more names and insult me instead?
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|That's true, the sony brigade are the biggest hypocrites there are. If this was a Blu-Ray player being dropped to below $200 does anyone think Joey would be saying it was a fire sale? lmao, they're so pathetic.
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|Joey Deacon called it a fire sale because it's a Sony competitor. Yountmj called it a price drop because it is. The difference is one of them is a sony fanboy and the other isn't.
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|I certainly can't tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p, though I'm just one person but I've yet to see anyone else who could either. As has also been pointed out, the televisions themselves can convert from 1080i to 1080p as well or better than the player itself so the whole thing is moot. Regardless this player is not aimed at videophiles anyway, anyone with anyone sense should know that.
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|Joey "Nope, 18 per store" Deacon. That is going to haunt you from now on.
Oh an you have ZERO proof or even evidence that Weinstein is leaving, and calling them a big studio is a bit of a stretch anyway.
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|lol, I'd really love to see how many user names he has.
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|Didn't blo-ray just have a fire sale of B1G1 to go against Transformers and just barely beat it. That is a large library of b1 to just beat one title. Pathetic buy a thons from your fellow trolls at bluray.com
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|A big studio I think not. Most of the movies that they put out so far have been average at best. In fact some are just bad. I guess its the blo-ray jagoffs that will buy anything that comes out for the format even if it is bad. The Day after tomorrow is a good example of that. People on bloray.com were foaming at the mouth to buy a bad movie. They also rave about eyes wide shut that I can not find a person that can even warrant a DVD purchase. Buying a movie just to support a format is stupid. I buy what I like not what the studio wants me to buy. Grow up.
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|Joel Silver, the founder of the Imaging Science Foundation can't tell the difference.
But Dave can, how interesting. I'm suprised you don't work in some high tech video lab instead of GameStop.
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|Exactly my point thank you for finally agreeing with me.
Switching PS3/Sony with HDDVD/MS shouldn't be read and written differently... no matter who does it. Anyways, on to other stories...
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|3 minutes?
The people who purchased them on amazon say 30 seconds in their reviews.
You seriously need to put more thought into your posts. All you manage to do is show people here that blu-ray is desperately lying. This may not be the case but you are doing absolutely no favors for your preferred format. You would do much better to sit down in the side lines and watch
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|Do you just see numbers somewhere in your house and decide to use them?
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|Agreed!
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|needed to buy another dvd player for the kids this weekend so i decided to buy myself an hd-dvd and give them mine but none of the stores here carried hd or bd so apparently not much demand in montana for hi def
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|Where the heck do you live in MT, i am in bozeman and they sell them here. Not like this town of 35k is huge or anything. But damn.
on a side note
Damn, I am definently picking up a hddvd player this xmas.
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|billings, went to both walmarts and the bigger target and no hd or bloray i'm sure bestbuy does but they always charge to much. i'm planning on getting one for xmas myself just figured i needed another dvd player anyways might as well do it now instead of dumping the 50 for a dvd player i won't be using in 2 months
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|I doubt that Blue-Ray will win the battle.
I recently looked at a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive for my PC, only to find that a HD-DVD reader was 99 euro and Blu-Ray only had burners starting a 449 euro...
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|odd you are comparing a reader with burners..
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|He is saying he couldn't find any regular Blu-Ray readers, only burners.
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|http://www.ebuyer.com/pr...ssJuftY8CFRMXQgodgkDdTA
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|ROM drives eh?
The entry-level price for PC users and HD DVD is now down to only £62/€90/$124
see here - http://www.lambda-tek.co...e17.2&prodID=B75140
That's nicely under 1/2 the price of the Pioneer BDC-202 Blu-ray ROM drive (£149/€214/$300.
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|This is why HD DVD is banking on combo-discs to bolster sales. Most new HD DVD discs include a standard-definition DVD version of the movie on the other side, making them usable no matter what the future holds
this is pure genius.. no matter what the future holds it can still works on old technology. so every mp3 song you download should come with a 8track verison as well, as we all know technology always withstands the test of time.
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|How many people are still using DVD players? The vast majority you say? Now how many people are still using 8-tracks? What a stupid analogy.
To make it easier for you to understand, they are saying that EVEN IF regular DVD players remain popular or IF HD DVD were to fail you would still be able to watch all the movies you bought. You won't be stuck with coasters. Looking at it another way it means you can buy HD DVD movies right now without spending money on an HDTV or player, as you can watch them on your regular DVD player for the time being.
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|You seem to be confused by the massive DVD install base currently found in homes. If HD-DVD dies, at least your movie will still play on your regular player. If BD wins, you can always play the DVD portion in your future player and upconvert the playback.
I don't see too many 8track players in peoples' homes lately.
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|its the idea of keeping the old format with the new. dvd's didn't come bundled with a vhs version. when people are ready to move to hd they shouldn't be trying to put a safety net underneath their investment. the idea that the technology could become obsolete is the issue and bundling a format that will become obsolete is not the answer.
as far as saying the combo is useful if you want a movie but don't want to get a player or tv is retarded. if you have standard definition equipment buy standard definition content. there is more point in playing upscaled dvds that buying a hd-dvd combo disk only to play the dvd version.
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|Off-topic, but by that same token, are you suggesting the PlayStation 2 should not be Sony's "safety net" for the PlayStation 3?
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|Backwards compatibility, especially with a format as widespread as DVD is always a good thing.
Unfortunately, back in the time of 8-Track tapes, the manufacturing process was a tad more expensive than pressing a million DVDs.
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|Uh yeah, bundling a VHS tape along with a DVD is slightly different then including a DVD version of the movie on the same disc as the HD DVD version. Got any more bad analogies? DVD isn't even remotely close to being obsolete for a very very long time. HD DVD and Blu-Ray sales are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to DVD.
as far as saying the combo is useful if you want a movie but don't want to get a player or tv is retarded. if you have standard definition equipment buy standard definition content.
Right, because buying the same movie AGAIN later on is a lot better than buying both formats just once on a single disc. Seriously, just give this one up. You've lost.
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|So when you moved to HD, did you replace every single TV in your house the same day? Do you have a high def player for all of those TV's?
DVD is everywhere. Its in peoples primary homes, secondary homes, hotels, condo's, cars, planes, boats and just about any other place you can imagine.
While I've seen many people say they'd never watch a DVD after using HD DVD or Blu-ray, the fact is most people will. I myself watched 300 for the first time on a plane with my laptop - Only reason I could is because I have the Combo. I'll watch again in HD DVD soon.
I think the blu-ray fanboys think everyone is just like them. If everyone was just like them, a whole lot more people would have blu-ray today, wouldn't they?
Business do something you don't seem to do - think about what the mass market of consumers want and need. This is what HD DVD is. Only advantage I could give to blu-ray is the space, which would allow for lossless audio on all discs. However, I'm still not convinced of how much of a difference this will make to the enjoyment of a movie, EVEN if I can tell the difference - although I doubt I'll be able to, especially unless I compare side by side.
How many formats do we have out there that cater to the audiophile and videophile?
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|absolutly. I have never said anything close to encouraging for continued development for the ps2. thats fine they want to keep it around but their resources (marketing, constructing decent software ie games and not home s***) should be going to the ps3 not the ps2.
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|If not for the PS2 their gaming division would have been bankrupt already.
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|and if not for windows microsoft wouldn't exist. im not sure what your point is?
the xbox 360 is not self sustaining and the mircosoft gaming division has yet to post an annual profit.
if not for the ps2 the gaming division would have the finances it currently has.
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|I thought my point was pretty clear, the PS2 is what is keeping their game division afloat.
"if not for the ps2 the gaming division would have the finances it currently has."
How did you come up with that logic? If Sony didn't have all the money they made and are making from the PS2 (because it never existed) they would still have the same finances they currently have? Are you serious?
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|Blu-ray is in big trouble. A $199 HD-DVD player is going to sell like hot-cakes this Christmas.
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|Not at all, what this (as usual) biased article does not tell you, it's limited to 18 per store.
It's a fire sale, not a permenent $199 price tag.
It's also a crappy 1080i player, that takes 3 minutes to boot, looks uglier than anything you could possibly imagine.
Not only is it a HD DVD player, which is bad enough, it's a VERY bad HD DVD player.
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|The article isn't biased at all, it clearly says Blu-Ray is outselling HD DVD right now. It says consumers may not go for this cheaper player due to the uncertainty of the format. I would love to know how it is biased, it's all facts and doesn't really favor one side over the other. You and your idiot friends that bleat out "biased" in every Betanews article are really showing your ignorance. Yes, that's right. You're an ignorant thick headed fanboy who already thinks he knows which format is going to win. In all the years you've been shilling for Sony I really doubt you've changed one person's mind. Choose the format you like and leave everyone else alone.
Oh, and if you don't like Betanews then don't read it; I don't go to web sites I don't like and complain about them. I doubt any sane person does. Coming here with your broken record speeches about bias is getting tiresome.
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|yay I get to repeat too
I have an A2 and it works great takes about 30 seconds to load up a disc but thats certainly not the 3 minutes you tried to con people with. My Flat Panels only do 1080I so 1080I is fine with me.
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|"Coming here with your broken record speeches about bias is getting tiresome."
If you're getting tired of these biased comments from us then stop reading and replying to them! You see how stupid you sound. People have opinions and they should state them.
I'm usually the first one that calls BS when Beta"News" is writing MS propaganda.... But not this time. In my opinion, I didn't see anything wrong with this piece. I actually really enjoyed it. Unlike other "reporters" here, this piece was written about the subject. The PlayStation 3 was mentioned as necessary because it is what is saving Blu-Ray and the main reason why Blu continuously outsells HDDVD 2-1 and more movie companies’ support it. It would turn biased if the story turned into another PS3 bashing piece. (Like this... http://www.betanews.com/...Tap/1193419126#talkback ).
So no, in my opinion, this was not a biased story... You and your fellow Beta"News" fanboys comments on the other hand are something else.
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|Once again, 8 per store, yet no proof of that.
With CC, I'm not sure - that may be true. But it is NOT true with Walmart. I've seen some other topics elsewhere that discuss how it is not limited and I've seen Walmart's with more than 8.
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|Sorry but there's a difference between people who want to have a legitimate discussion and trolling shills who just want to repeat the same lies and FUD over and over and complain about this site in every thread. Why should the people who enjoy this site leave because of the trolls? Thanks for saying that I'm the one that sounds stupid though...lol.
You also really need to work on your reading comprehension. I did not say I was getting tired of biased comments, I said I was tired of people coming here and saying this site is biased, or "propaganda". Apparently you admit to being one of them.
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|8 per store ... 8 per store ... 8 per store ... like a broken record.
Except Amazon has them at $197.00. I guess they only have eight for the whole country.
http://www.amazon.com/To...d=1193703184&sr=8-1
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|Did you upgrade to the latest firmware? If not, you should.
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|Oh Joey, still spreading lies I see. There is no 18 per store limit, that's a lie. Looking at the reviews also I haven't found a SINGLE one that says this is a bad player or that it takes 3 minutes to boot. Another lie. Face it, you're a liar. You're not even a very good one because everyone knows you're a liar. That would bother some people, but I guess it's ok with you. As long as you can support Sony I guess it's ok to sacrifice your own credibility. After all I'm sure Sony is going to reward you someday...
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|I particularly enjoyed all of his stealth edits changing the '8' to '18' in all of his posts... even after that ridiculous claim was debunked. LOL
What a tosser...
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|You SHOULD be shot. I've honestly not seen anyone here relentlessly post bulls*** as much as you, not even dave.
You LIE out of your teeth and repeat repeat repeat. Is that all you got? You cant defend your format of choice anymore so you have to resort to fud?
For the love of god and for the sake of a decent conversation can this person be banned?
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|The key there is "Blu continuously outsells HDDVD 2-1"
Think about it
*Hint* Its not good for anyone at this rate
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|I picked up an A2 from Circuit City on Friday (10/26) and I am impressed by it. It is my first purchase of a "next gen" dvd player.
If BR released a player for $200 I would consider it, but I am not really a Sony fan. But if the movies where there, I wouldn't be closed to the idea.
I tried it on my 50" plasma and my 110" HD projection theater and it did some nice improvements over unconverted DVD. Plus I can finally put my 7.1 sound system in my theater to good use. Very few DVDs take advantage of more then 5.1
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