Universal feeling the pinch to release on Blu-Ray?

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/07/universal_feeli.html

First of all.......you wish.

Secondly; just what has this to do with anything?

Jebus but you Sony/PS3/BD shills are so laughably desperate
(and what a bunch of ridiculous hypocrites, considering how in the recent past you've been so quick to dismiss Universals output).

You might like to try reading your own link too.....

"Envisioneering Group guru Richard Doherty believes that "there is a lot of persuading going on right now" from Blu-ray supporters."

[sarcasm]Well of course, case closed.[/sarcasm]

Forget everything Universal has ever said on the matter.

A guy on some magazine says some BD supporters are whining for Universal to go dual format
(cos they're deluded enough to clutch at this particular straw to 'think' that it will settle anything).

Wake up idiot.

The fundamental truth is that the PS3 isn't a stand-alone player.

That's the end of the matter.

So stop trying to pretend that it is.

Sony and a few other CE companies make Blu-ray stand-alones and they are counted.

Toshiba doesn't make game consoles so why the hell should they count the PS3?

At the end of the day it's just tough ti*ty to Sony for making their game console that way.

i know people that bought the ps3 solely as a blu-ray player, so why shouldnt it be counted in the numbers?

im willing to admit that it isnt a stand alone player, but i own one, and the blu-ray quality is amazing, and being cheaper at launch than most stand alone players, people are definitely going to buy it just for that

The 'truth' is that Toshiba don't make games consoles.

Why should they count a game console in a comparison as if it was the same?

The 'truth' is that when like is compared to like and stand-alone sales are compared HD DVD is way ahead of Blu-ray.

The BD attachment rate shows only too clearly that many many PS3 owners simply are not buying BD movies for their PS3.

If that's the best you got then it's probably best you just go and do your predictable shilling & drooling over your beloved Sony/Blu-ray/PS3 on your laughable fanzine sites Dave.

http://i163.photobucket....ouarebeingmonitored.jpg

Hmmmm, ok, er, um, that's great Dave.

Very clever.

It does surprise me they'll let you near a computer but what else have they got you doing at the day-care centre?

Lol. It is a message to all the other Sony shills from Sony! You better keep posting BS to make Sony look good because Sony is watching you!!!!

Are you a total idiot?

In the PS3 threads you claim that nobody wants the PS3 for gaming, and they are buying the PS3 as a cheap Blu-Ray player.

In the HD-DVD threads, you claim that PS3 owners are not buying Blu-Ray movies.

What twisted spin are you going to use today then?

"Are you a total idiot?"

- No Ray, I'll leave that kind of territory all to you; you so obviously manage it better than I ever could.

"In the PS3 threads you claim that nobody wants the PS3 for gaming, and they are buying the PS3 as a cheap Blu-Ray player."

- Er, why are you lying?

I've previously said that the PS3 has a limited amount of decent games (which is obviously true).

I've also mentioned PS3 sales have fallen off of a cliff and I've mentioned that it's true that they have now been given a little short boost as they clear old dead stock.
But they will subsequently fall right back down that cliff in a few weeks time.

I've also mentioned that a number of people have bought it as the cheapest way into Blu-ray (which is also patently obvious & true).

It is still just a games console and it's still selling well below the original sales projections.

"In the HD-DVD threads, you claim that PS3 owners are not buying Blu-Ray movies."

- Hmmm, you obviously have problems with concepts that involve the consideration of more than one or two factors, eh?

We can see that it is an undeniable fact that the attachment rate for the PS3s sold to date is abysmal.
It is currently less than 1:1 in fact. That's pretty pathetic.

"What twisted spin are you going to use today then?"

- Stop projecting and try to think a little less like a moron for once.

It's is a fact that the PS3 is not a stand-alone Blu-ray player.
At best it is a poorly selling games console with an installed base that rarely bothers to buy Blu-ray movies.

You still have yet to answer why anyone selling a/v stand-alone equipment should be making straight comparisons with a kiddies game console that also can play Blu-ray movies.

(particularly when we can see from the numbers of Blu-ray discs those consoles are s***ing that only a minority of console owners are bothering to buy BD movies).

But never-mind eh?

You obviously find the whole concept too complex to grasp and I probably lost you after the you encountered the 1st word in that lot to go beyond a 2nd syllable.

What a tragic oaf.

"It's is a fact that the PS3 is not a stand-alone Blu-ray player."

The PS3 actually outperforms all the standalone players (Blu-Ray and HD DVD), many AV sites quote is as being reference quality.

"The PS3 actually outperforms all the standalone players (Blu-Ray and HD DVD), many AV sites quote is as being reference quality."

- Try answering the point raised, idiot, the PS3 is not a stand-alone Blu-ray player.

So why should Toshiba (who only manufacture stand-alone players, not game consoles) do anything other than compare their HD DVD stand-alone products to the Blu-ray stand-alone products?

.....oh and just because the PS3 is the best of a laughably over-priced and under-spec'd lot (is there a single Blu-ray player out right now that is profile 1.1 complaint.....no-one can even say the PS3 is with any authority right now......or what about profile 2.0?) doesn't mean your 'reference' comments carry the slightest bit of weight or mean jack-sh*t.

Wake up.

"The PS3 actually outperforms all the standalone players (Blu-Ray and HD DVD), many AV sites quote is as being reference quality."

ROFL...Yah if you like washed out blacks!

http://www.avsforum.com/...t=874927&p=11028765

^^^ there is the truth

i may be setting myself up by saying this, who cares if europe favours one for another. It's not like it's gonna affect what happens in the US for better or worse or any place else. You don't see their cell industry change the crap we have in the states do you?

Current disc sales show since this started (which is now well over a year ago) Blu-ray at or around the 2 million level and HD DVD at or around the 1.3 million level.

In a market where SD DVD sold over 750 million last year alone.

To the mainstram mass-market high def DVDs of either format are currently pretty invisible.

High def is a tiny fragment of the total disc market.

The war hasn't even got going yet.

.....and it's still very possible that neither format will actually escape the 'niche' and win anything at all.

That is a very point both just might fail. Conversations with the people that I know are very happy with DVD and see no reason to upgrade. Both formats are at about 1% of what DVD is so time will tell. With the formats being out for over a year it is kind scary that sales are only at 1-2% to date.

What really needs to happen to boost the high def market in general is for HD-DVD's to be released only in the Twin format and in place of any DVD release. But it has to be done for $20.

Do this, and EVERYONE buying a DVD gets the high def version and even if they don't have a high def TV, they just might consider it sooner rather than later since they now have material to watch on it.

Why is it the big brass at Sony couldn't see how this could help them push TV's and other stuff for the whole HD experience?

I do agree with that. HD DVD is doing that but the price point is to high.

don't forget digital downloads are just starting to take shape, and On Demand via cable\fios.

Lot's of competition for the format of content getting into the living room.

I agree, at this point in time both formats are basically like Laserdisc, expensive niche products that most consumers are not interested in. That may change in the future but for now all this arguing over which format is "winning" is really stupid.

For me personally, I couldn't care less about either one (though if I had to choose I'd pick HD-DVD as I think Sony is an unethical company that hurts consumers). I've seen the HDTVs at the stores with movies playing on them and I agree they look nice, but not that nice. I'm perfectly content with my old bigscreen Hitachi and a regular DVD player.

Yeah but it's getting close.

A Japanese branded Toshiba @ under $200 by X-mas and a very strong chance of $100 - $150 Chinese entry level players by then too.

Blu-ray just cannot compete with those prices.

Then we'll see just how solidly 'BD exclusive' those movie studdios are as HD DVD sales numbers take off.

BD can have the PS3 market.....it's performance to date will soon be seen as a short-term pyrrhic win but a strategic mistake.

A grossly over-priced game console (especially one with a serious short-fall in decent games) is never going to capture the mainstream a/v market.

Just rename it FUD-Ray.

That's pretty good. :)

Great news for HD DVD fans. I can see the Blo-ray people spewing desperation posts already.

http://www.dvdtown.com/n...d-player-below-200/4594

read the updated.
how is it you come across these reliable sources all the time?

Above 200 already that didn't take long oh well. Is that supposed to be a shot?

only if you take anything on this website seriously. wasn't mainly directed at you but not the first link i've seen where it details almost the complete opposite of what the poster is saying.

I find it funny that you would question the site when they have made public their support for blo-ray and sony fanboys have used it as a source before.

So they sold 3 Blu-ray and 7 HDDVD units?

Yeah, is that another way to say "We are not dead yet" or what?

Blu-ray outsells hd dvd 10:1 and they still claim victory... FUD!

France
HD DVD: 10 106 devices sold
Blu-ray: 108 372 devices sold

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd-de/
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd-uk/

HD-DVD outsells Blo-Ray 1000:1 and they still claim victory... FUD!

Yemen
HD DVD: 10 106 292 devices sold
Blu-ray: 10 372 devices sold

http://www.randompointlesswebsite.com/
http://www.anotherpointlesswebsite.com/

FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD

A Sony cheerleaders favorite meaningless acronym.

If Blu-Ray says they're winning (and they've announced this multiple times) then it must be true! Sony and their partners have won many truth telling contests.

But if HD-DVD says they're winning, well they must be lying and it's..

FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD

As time goes on, and HD DUD gets further behind in it's sales, the press releases get more desperate, but even funnier, the sad early HD DUD adopters like kashin, get even worse.

"France
HD DVD: 10 106 devices sold
Blu-ray: 108 372 devices sold"

- .......and then he wonders why people laugh at him and the Blu-ray side when they're making those big sweeping bold claims of how Blu-ray has already won.

A couple of thousand people bought a player.

Big deal.

The only thing the tiny sales numbers (everywhere) shows us is that the 'war' hasn't even begun yet.

In reality both may fail did you ever think of that. The vast majority of the population could care less about high definition disks of any format.

*gasp* A Sony product fail?!?! Perish the thought!

This is just plain stupid.
They should count Blu-ray discs and HD DVDs if they don't include the PS3 with their stupid numbers.
They are just trying to make it look like HD-DVD is winning, which it surely isn't.

Speaking of stupid...

You should try reading the short article that specifies its outselling blu-ray in STAND ALONE players which the ps3 is not. It has nothing to do with discs.

Why should Toshiba?

They aren't selling a mere game console with a Blu-ray player incorporated into it, they only sell stand-alone players.

Besides, why on earth should they count every PS3 as a Blu-ray stand-alone when it's quite clear from the abysmal movie disc attachment rate that most PS3s are not used for watching BD movies anyways?

dude, what else could they be used for?

Good point, but still. [You always win if you say 'but still']

"what else could they be used for?"

- Er, playing games on?

What with it being a games console and all?

The porn industry are supporting just HD-DVD well we know what format won out when that last happened! lol

BS Debunked again,,,

Blu-ray loves porn after all

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=37021

Seems lots of people have been fooled by Microsoft FUD campaign.. Some people are not very bright it seems...

Speaking of not very bright, Microsoft did not invent HD-DVD and is merely only backing the format.

Same way Universal is backing HD-DVD but didn't create it.

Actully Toshiba are paying Universal to stay exclusive (at least until their money runs out).

What ever you say there Steve.

I suspect there are many Microsoft employees on forums like this trying everything to promote HD-DVD... Either that or people must be so fanatic and dumb to waste money on an optical format which offers less space (hence less quality for movies/audio due to obliged lower bitrates)

You CAN'T be this stupid, seriousily can you? Microsoft has NOTHING to do with HD-DVD they are merely backing it, if it fails they will just add a blu-ray add-on to the xbox360.

Did MS hire a hitman and kill your entire family? I have never heard anyone with such animosity towards a company. Its probably MS fault that we went to war also and global warming.

Same crap over and over.

"Some people are not very bright it seems..."

Oh, the irony...

Are you a Microsoft employee as well ?
What a pathetic attempt to negate the obvious. Microsoft and Toshiba are the ones behind HD-DVD along with Universal, other groups involved are not the main promoters.

"BS Debunked again,,,"

- No it's not, stop lying.

Vivid found one replicator (they will not even name) willing to help them publish.

But they have said they will give it a try.....although they (like the others that did ditch Blu-ray) have complained about Blu-ray's costs being significantly higher than HD DVDs production costs
(perhaps with it all being so secretive they aren't getting the subsidy that seems to be rife in Blu-ray replication?).

Vivid are also producing HD DVD titles as normal, like the rest of the US porno industry.

So as far as porno goes BD has just one publisher (for now) and hardly any Blu-ray titles - and even that publisher is really dual format and trying out BD on a trial basis only.

So basically there is 1 Blu-ray porno experiment going on with one studio.

Hardly much of a basis to pretend "Blu-ray loves porn afterall".

Stop lying.

Neither MS nor Universal are behind HD-DVD. If it fails that is no sweat off their back. Toshiba is the one that created the format. MS and Universal are simply supporters.

Yeah but after 'Hydra' came out that's about all they have left, accuse others of what they are doing.

The buffoonery of them just parroting back what others have said to them is pretty funny tho.

Hmm, I think this photo says a thousand words... Content is king, and retailers have chosen Blu-Ray in Europe.

This one: (HMV, Trocadero, London)

http://img398.imageshack...hp?image=2vv115txu9.jpg

Or this one (HMV, Oxford St, London)

http://img385.imageshack...hp?image=2ivcgttte5.jpg

Or this one (Virgin Records, Picadilly, London)

http://img122.imageshack...p?image=image037qs3.jpg

That no one is buying either format?

The 1% that buys anything in HD (HD and Blu) is buying it online so who cares what an over priced store has it for. Best Buy has a meager stock of both HD and Blu so why even bother buying there too.

A DRM laden movie player, i think i will pass. "advanced countermeasures" who are they kidding! I'll stick to dvd's until drm is gone!

BD+ the new security implemented in blu-ray has the ability to remote disable the unit or line of units if security has been compromised. you player then phones home and notifies sony that you have hacked you player and informs them of the serial number and location of the unit. http://yahoo.businesswee...6/tc20060526_680075.htm

blu-ray discs are going to utilise the feature of "expiring discs" so even though you have purchased the media you will have to continue to pay sony to use the media you supposedly own! http://arstechnica.com/n...gency-certifies-bd.html

lets all purchase sony drm and live happily that you can only get a blank picture because sony say your connection is not, sony enough! http://www.boingboing.ne...mi_the_manchurian_.html

Sigh, someone else fallen for the Anti-Blu-Ray lies..

Seems you have been copy and pasting this nonsense word for word all over the net..

http://digg.com/movies/B...ovie_freebies?t=7468644

Do they enforce network connections all of a sudden?

Also do you actually READ the articles you post? The article on Ars Technica? It mentions nothing os paying money to Sony to play the disc, it merely mentions adaptable protection systems that live on the disc, and are loaded into a java virtual machine and process decoding.

More worrying than a resolution of the high-definition format wars, however, is what studios might want to do with the additional powers that BD+ provides them. The ability to run any sort of code in the name of "advanced countermeasures" also brings the power to limit content by other means: timed-release and expiring discs are just some of the possibilities. Somewhere, the ghost of the original DiVX may be laughing.

They wouldn't create this sort of protection if it wasn't intended for use, so you are fooling yourself if they don't plan to use it.

Again, if you don't pirate movies, you have nothing to fear. What on earth do you think a read-only Blu-Ray disk with Java code can do? It certainly can't alter the disc, and the suggestion it will mess with your player would illegal.

Yeah ok you are a fool if you do not think that SOny will do this. But then again we all know the answer to that.

Sony would never use anything that could mess with the hardware NEVER, oh wait...

http://www.wired.com/pol...tymatters/2005/11/69601

"Content is king"

- BS.

The market is king.

....and right now high def isn't even on most people's radar.

Both high def formats together haven't even broken the 4 million sales barrier (in well over a year).
In a market where SD DVD sold 750 million last year alone.

FFS VHS video still outsells both formats put together.

Stop trying to make thiese idiotic sweeping claims Ray.
Wise up and quit trying to talk this up, it's getting ridiculous.

"pirate movies"

- Jeeez talk about one sucker born every minute.
I heard of creeps 'sucking up to teacher' but sucking up to CE corporations is plain weird and kinda ill IMO.
(I guess you also talk about 'loving' and 'hating' them too, huh?)

Why not just tell us a little about 'managed copy', hmmmm?

Then tell us about why this is better that it is optional with Blu-ray when it is mandatory under HD DVD, eh?

(.....and how come it now looks like the BD Assoc are not even going to bother with it at all)

We're not talking about guys selling umteen suitcases full of ripped off goods out of the back of a van here, we're talking about regular people who are not profiting in this at all
(which as far as I and almost everone else is concerned is not 'pirating' anything.......and while you're chewing that over you might care to wake up & realise that you'll never convince most of us any different).

Yeah but remember SGD you're in a dialogue here with the kind of twisted people who really do claim to feel genuine strong emotions (like 'love' or 'hate') for CE corporations.

They don't care about the facts but treat this like a football game and will forever 'support' what they see as 'their team'.

It's pretty tragic even if it is so laughable.

Spin. As all the Xbots point out all the time, many PS3's are destined purely for Blu-Ray players...

Blu-Ray is totally killing HD-DVD in retail in Europe..

Yes, if Blo-Ray says they're winning, it's true. But if HD-DVD says they're winning, it's "spin" and they're lying. Don't you ever get tired of regurgitating the same BS day in and day out?

It does not take a genius to figure out WHY the PS3 was excluded from their numbers..

It't like me saying that motorcyles are the best selling vehicle in the world, if you exclude cars...

Maybe .6% blu to .4% HD of total DVD sales so who really cares!

It does not take a genius to figure out that your a fangirl.

They excluded the PS3 because it's a game system, not a stand alone video player.

Replying to this proves your a fingirl Steve errr Dave or I guess whatever profile you want to use.

Exactly, it's like arguing that Sam's Choice is murdering Bubba Cola in sales while ignoring the sales of Pepsi. Neither Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is selling enough right now to mean jack.

There is no way to know whether a PS3 is going to be purchased for gaming or movies. Primarily it is a gaming machine. The fact is among STANDALONE players HD-DVD is outselling Blu-Ray machines right now.

and DVD is obiliterating all of them...so who cares this is a non issue.

Uh, because there is no way to know how many are using their ps3 as a blu-ray player. Same as there is no way to know how many people are using their ps2 and xbox to determine dvd sales.

And if more than 10% of the 4.5 million PS3 owners use their PS3's are Blu-Ray players (which is a very safe bet they are), then that's half a million Blu-Ray players you can add to them numbers..

If 30% do, which is far more reasonable, then that's 1.5 million additional players...

The PS3 is a very cheap way to get a reference quality Blu-Ray/UpscalingDVD/SACD player and many people do just that. To exclude them, is simply massaging the numbers to fit how you want them to sound.

HD DVD is getting murdered, and this is sheer press release is sheer desperation.

And now you are caling the press fuders ok.

If the PS3 is reference quality the format is in real trouble.

You are only speculating so its not a safe bet, because maybe jsut maybe they are using it for games only because they remember when using the device for both they run into the dreaded DRE issue.

Exactly. As I have said many times the war has yet to begin. Not until the average consumer starts adopting. Right now both formats are pretty muchly shelf decorations lol.

Because?

Several AV mags have rated the PS3 as one of the best HD players out there, regardsless of format, and cited it as reference quality to which other plays should attain to perform like.

Some of these reviews were before the 1080p DVD upscaling was added. One of them was reviewed after, and the DVD upscaling is onpar with $1500 Dennon DVD player..

Go suck on that...

Keep dreaming Steve, more untruthful statements

link?

:O Why would you need a link whenever Steve is such a reliable source of information!?! (sarcasm)

"But the figures do not include Sony PS3 sales."

Therefore this really isn't a news story worth hearing about.

When someone can find out the *active* amount of both sides of the HD market, then it's worth an article.

Discounting the PS3 is silly. While there probably *are* a lot of people who don't use its BlueRay capability, there still are another lot who are using it to its full potential.

Who would want to buy a Blu-ray player anyway? Blu-ray still isn't finalized. Even the upcoming BD profile 1.1 does not meet HD DVD's list of features. In fact Blu-ray will not meet HD DVD's list of features until BD profile 2.0.

Nice FUD there. It falls into the same FUD bucket, as current HD DVD players will be obsolete when the tripple layer 51GB discs arrive..

Still nice try.

Theres a need for triple layer 51GB discs?

Theres barely a need for 15 gigs, let alone 50.

Wait till $ony locks the disks to your player and you can't buy used disks that will teach ya. Oh yeah wait until you have to pay a license fee to access parts of your Blo-ray disk. How cool will that be? Maybe the next firmware update to the PS3 will fix the color problems on the PS3, don't see that happening.

Sony can and will screw you and your beloved Blo-ray player. But you are to blind to see what they are doing and what patents they own.

FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD

The favorite meaningless acronym of every Sony cheerleader.

SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN

The second favorite meaningless word of every Sony cheerleader.

SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD SPIN FUD

And the 50 gig Blo-ray disks that will be filled with content that you have to pay again and again to see no thank you FUD master.

Hmm, what colour problems would those be then? Imaginary ones?

I would also love for you to explain how READ ONLY media can be locked to a particular player...

There really are kindergarden idiots here today.. Technology is not your strong point, I imagine,,

Listen jack as* it is common knowledge that the PS3 has crap black and red levels. Black is grey how much more to the point can I be. Sony has the pantent to lock disks to machines you need to really understand your loved compnay before you put your foot further in your mouth. A fimrware update can lock a disk to machine via a serial number and a required internet connection. Hum I wonder who has the patent for that, hum, Sony. Come on and wake up that was news like a year ago. You really amaze me with your blind ignorance.

yeah even on the new transformers game they state it looks washed out on the ps3 version.

That must mean if they don't agree that the people reviewing the games are MS employees too!

How many times do you have to say the same thing to these people so they understand?

It is more of they refuse to understand. They know. But be damned if they will admit it.

yeah common knowledge that the PS3 has crap black and red levels...you are a MORON!...what you see as far as color may be because your TV has crap black and red levels!! idiot...

oh and about the transformers game looking "washed out" thats because its a crap a** port...go look up the trailer of GT5 or Killzone 2 and tell me it looks "washed out"....its just lazy developers not taking the time to properly use the PS3 hardware...

Oh blame it on lazy developers yeah that's the answer. You resort to name calling that is real nice. Grow up a little will you. And by the way black does stink on the Pcrap3

You are either talking about things you don't have a clue about or you are a Microsoft employee paid for spreading out lies against the competition, silly lies indeed.
I bet you never watched a BD H.264 1080p 50GB disc on a PS3 on either a plasma, TFT 720p/1080p or a 720p projector,indeed. No one would claim that the PS3 decoding is not good enough if he/she ever watched movies with it.

The fact that you don't have a clue how to fill 15GB it doesn't mean that that's enough for the majority of users out there...

So if hes a MS paid employee are you a Sony employee spreading FUD?

For one thing I think plasma sucks has way to many issues. Yes the picture is nice but no thank you. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that several companies are about to stop making plasma. And yes I have seen a movie in that format and on the sets I've seen it on the blacks are not true black. You can call me a MS employee if yu want but I am not. You are so in love in $ony it is sickening. You can spew all the stats in the world but the reality is it still is not as black as HD DVD. I have both and I have compared. You can preach on I am done with you.

Hum, you wouldn't be using it for pirating stuff would you? Most likely I would say.

"No one would claim that the PS3 decoding is good enough if he/she ever watched movies with it."

Fixed it for yah.

The TL disc are probably aimed more at the people that want to use them to store data on. 30GB is plenty of space to hold movies as they have already proven.

"Standalone Blu-ray players remain more expensive, which is likely the primary reason behind the sales disparity."

Which will likely in the end lead to its' demise.

i doubt it. There is what, one major studio committed to HD-DVD? All the rest are on Blu-Ray. If you want the content, you have little choice.

"There is what, one major studio committed to HD-DVD? All the rest are on Blu-Ray. If you want the content, you have little choice."

That statement makes it sound like the scales are tipped further than they actually are in regards to studio support.

HD DVD has Universal who is exclusive to HD DVD. That's a pretty major player. They also have The Weinstein Company. Most of the porn adult movie industry is HD DVD exclusive too, but you never hear about porn sales numbers in mainstream reports.

Blu-Ray has four stuidos exclusive to Blu-Ray? Sony, Disney, Lionsgate, and 20th Century Fox? Also, major players, but the rest of the studios are supporting both formats.

Microsoft is starting to throw its money behind HD DVD too. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. Personally, I don't really care which wins, as long as the HD DVD discs that I have already purchased work in the player of whatever format wins.

The customer is not going to care, if its cheaper to buy one format then the other they will continue to buy regular dvds.

Don't forget all the indie films exclusive for HD not Blo. People say that is not a major player but Hollywood has been making some serious crap movies lately.

First off Steve there is more than 1 Studio committed to HD-DVD. I have seen it posted many times the list of their supporters and I know you read it. Also it wont matter. Whenever HD-DVDs start flying off the shelves those studios will start rethinking their support for Blo-Ray.

I'm wondering why you would want HD porn anyway. I thought the grainy picture and bad music just added to the effect :)

Do you really want to see a dude in 1080p with the way they zoom in on porn?

I will agree though, porn will probably drive sales in the end (haha, no pun intended). The industry helped revolutionize the internet back in the day as well. Thank god for perverts.

Personally, I don't really care. I am not going to buy either until a clear winner is out there. That is probably driving the weak sales in general. Everyone is remembering the VHS vs. Beta debacle and no one wants to commit to either format.

For me, it would depend on which gaming system I bought. Personally I think I want an Xbox 360 not only for price, but for choice of games. I have always had trouble with the PS2 style controller. Too many buttons and I have small hands haha :) If I go with the 360, I will eventually pick up the HD DVD attachment probably. That's the nice thing about that set up, that the HD DVD player is an add on you can purchase later, lessening the layout of dough up front.

As for Blu-Ray, it would seem PS3 sales would boost disc sales. It's only logical. The problem is why would you buy a stand-alone BD player when they are just as expensive as a PS3? Ugly or not, it just makes plain fiscal sense. You may as well get the dual functionality out of it.

Wait a minute! People buy porn, still? Well, what the hell was the internet invented for...