http://www.pcretailmag.c...s-Blu-ray-compatibility

You just don't give up...

As if Adobe had a choice? They're close partners with Sony, apparently.

"Anonymous industry insiders have told tech website, Pocket Lint that they believe the pressure from Sony has helped Adobe decision to exclude the HD DVD format."

Oh, say it ain't so! They'd never do that!

you mean like the millions of dollars worth of pressure from Toshiba for Paramount to go HD-DVD exclusive....

This move gives Blu-ray exclusive support from the two major producers of professional level video editing software...Apple, and Adobe

That is correct a final format and everything works as advertised.

To get back on track, a quick summary:

HDi simply works. Always has, always will.

That is to be expected when proper planning and strategy goes into developing a new format.

Umm....SGD i have no clue what you THINK you are talking about...why would I say Halo 3 is going to suck, when i enjoy the Halo series quite a bit...Halo 3 is the only game that would actually make me buy a 360....I loved both Halo CE and Halo 2 (Halo CE more), so I assume I will love Halo 3...I think visually Halo is VERY overrated, and have never been blown away by Halo's graphics but the game is wonderful...

and the PS3 has plenty of good games...Resistance is a great game, WarHawk is a great game, Heavenly Sword is a very good game just a little short...Lair is pretty hit or miss depending on your liking of the tilt controls...but the graphics are beautiful...

Yeah MS has Halo, which is a great game...but Sony has some really big hitters on the horizon as well...the new Metal Gear Solid is going to be a great game...Gran Turismo 5 is going to blow any 360 racer out of the water (Hell Prologue will and that is not even going to be the full game)...the new Ratchet and Clank is looking absolutely beautiful...nobody can deny that Killzone 2 is already one of the best looking games period and its not nearly finished...with the PS3 being the only console that is seeing Unreal Tournament 3 for the foreseeable future as well...

I think things are shaping up rather nicely for the PS3...and based on its price point I think sales are just fine with over 5 million sold to customers with the holiday season coming up....its not a bad time to be Sony....at least they made a console that was able to house its power supply inside and not melt itself...oh wait...MS put it on the outside and it STILL bricks...hehe...silly Microsoft for thinking they could be a hardware company too!....

oh and you know what is funny....you still think I'm Dave....HAHAHA PATHETIC!

OK Dave, Whatever you say. Nice petition, loser.

He thinks everyone is Dave, Anyone of the 5 million PS3 or Blu-Ray owners, they must be Dave.

It's sad, but funny at the same time.

The funniest bit? he even uses the term Loser, when he is actually the loser.

I thought you were one of the many that said the demo stunk so the game is going to. If you were not one of them sorry for confusing you with one of the drones that did.

No I am not trying to say that you are Dave or any of the others like someone referred to. You do usually sound like him most of the time.

Kill zone have you seen the comments on that game? Funny how so many people jump on a game as being awesome because it looks good. The early reviews are very concerned since it is not very good. I thought that Warhawk or WarHak as some people call it stunk. Lair by most reviews say that one stinks also. Resistance is a good game I will give you that but nothing else is worth anything. Oh I forgot there is Qbert. Gran Turismo is very over rated no fun there. Metal Gear I don't care for that kind of game anyway plus for those that do like it you'll see a port to the 360 so afterwards anyway so no biggie there. Unreal well that is coming to the 360 so again who cares.

Wow a console that can house it's power supply that is just so important.

Sony will screw the public with their wonderful blo-ray the first chance that they have. Well I take that back they already are with this whole profile mess.

Sony has some good titles coming this holiday season to help with sales, oh yeah they don't.

Good try.

I believe that would be your line.

To be fair anyone who says either 360 or ps3 lack good games is one eyed. 360 Has good games out now, ps3 has some out and more on the way. Both consoles will have a powerhouse this holiday season.
But for all the mistakes MS has made this generation, they continue to sell well and will do extremly well over the holidays.

For as long as the PS3 has been out there should be more good games then there are. I was actually looking forward to Heavenly Sword until I heard it was only about 5 hours long. That would be a big no thank you to expensive for that amount of time. Yes the PS3 will most likely have good games but so far they are not present. Resistance and a handful of downloads don't make a system.

what comments about Killzone? you mean the "dumb AI award that one of the idiot online sites gave it? come on...the game was in a pre-alpha build at the time of that showing and all they complained about was that many of the enemies were not hiding, or protecting themselves...they were rushing at you and easy to shoot...I'm fairly certain that won't be an issue with the finished product....

you can go through and say all the PS3 games suck because you don't like them...but god forbid someone says Halo sucks, or Bioshock (which i have heard is VERY pretty, but VERY overrated as a game) sucks becsuse they "just don't like it" you would be up in arms calling them a Sony fan boy...irrational thoughts are spewed by both camps my friend...

I told you Lair is very hit or miss...some like the sixaxis tilt control, some don't...most bad reviews are due to the controls....and obviously MANY people find the Gran Turismo series fun, or they would never have sold as many copies as they have to this point, and again it will be leaps and bounds better than any racer on the 360 both visually and gameplay. I wouldn't hold my breath on that MGS port for the 360....Kojima has said many times that it is strictly a PS3 exclusive, no matter how many 360 fan boys say that its coming...and yes UT3 will be coming to 360 eventually, but what kind of gimped version is MS going to allow released? the PS3 has full support for the PC user created mods, while its still not confirmed that the 360 will be able to do this...

and about the power supply...i think stuff like this is VERY important...you talk about Sony rushing things, or delaying things...well MS surely rushed an unfinished, poorly designed 360 to the market to beat Sony to the punch...

The hardware is a NIGHTMARE from a design standpoint....with initial failure rates as high as they were its pathetic....and then to announce that big warranty like they are doing it to be a nice company when in reality its to save their @$$ from scrutiny because they releases such shoddy hardware...

then they told everyone that you didn't need an HD format....so then they released a HD-DVD add-on...then they told everyone you didn't need HDMI so then they released the Elite, and now the newer Premiums are coming with an HDMI port....they told everyone you didn't need a bigger HDD....so they released the Elite with a 120GB HDD...I know the 360 is selling well....very well indeed...and continues to...and will continue to....but it is comical some of the stuff MS has pulled with this console...

of course i just intelligently criticized microsoft, so now you are going to attack me with things like "Sony sucks!" "gonna screw the consumer" "blu-ray sucks!" yadda yadda...

Sorry Dave, not buying.

"and obviously MANY people find the Gran Turismo series fun, or they would never have sold as many copies as they have to this point, and again it will be leaps and bounds better than any racer on the 360 both visually and gameplay."

That's a matter of opinion. You may like GT5 better, but that doesn't mean everyone will. Some people may like Forza better (which the full game out now). But the fact is the 360 has more games out now and has some good ones coming out soon too (just like the PS3 keeps promising).

"Kojima has said many times that it is strictly a PS3 exclusive, no matter how many 360 fan boys say that its coming"

That's a rumor. I've heard otherwise, but it's still a rumor. We'll have to wait and see when it's released.

"and about the power supply...i think stuff like this is VERY important"

Sure. I don't know about you, but I think games are more important than if the power supply is on the inside or outside.

"then they told everyone that you didn't need an HD format"

You don't. I played Bioshock just fine without needing to (or forced to) spend $200 more on a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive. It's an option unlike on the PS3. I'd rather save my money and use it towards games, after all, that's what a gaming system is for.

"then they told everyone you didn't need HDMI"

You don't. You still can get 1080p though the VGA adapter. Plus most 360 'and' PS3 games are 720p anyway. You probably couldn't tell the difference of 720p and 1080p sitting on your couch anyway.

"they told everyone you didn't need a bigger HDD....so they released the Elite with a 120GB HDD"

You don't. That's mostly for downloading the HD movies and TV shows (which the PS3 can't do). Or if your the kind of person that has to have the best of something then the Elite is for you too.

Oh yeah, 'Sony sucks' and 'blu-ray sucks'. I'd thought I'd help you with the flame bait.

"The funniest bit? he even uses the term Loser, when he is actually the loser."

Nice comeback!

Although I agree with Stalker's comment, I'm really inclined to agree with you... on all points.

For a system to have been out this long and have the meager selection of games that are available is ridiculous.

Microsoft got blasted for the relatively low selection of launch titles when it was released, but that was remedied rather quickly... a testament to how easy it is to develop on that platform.

There have been relatively few titles added to those available at launch for the PS3... a testament to the downright ridiculous amount of effort required to develop for that platform (as commented on by almost everyone who has ever worked with the system).

Poor planning and design on the PS3... poor planning and design on the Blu-ray specification, hardware, and software... and both are still way overpriced. Early adopters my ass... future adopters are investing in disappointment with either.

"The hardware is a NIGHTMARE from a design standpoint..."

My friend, the PS3 hardware is a nightmare from a design standpoint as well. Any developer who has attempted to trudge through that console's innards has already stated so on several occasions.

Lair was published by SCEA. If they can't get it right, who else is expected to?

Remember the Sega Saturn? No? Exactly! Similar fate awaits, rest assured.

Yeah I do see the point.
If sony had the same problems as MS, they would have most likely suffered terribly for it. Point being Microsoft is managing things VERY effectivly in comparison to sony who is always in damage control.
Halo 3 is going to be the biggest game of this year, nothing sony has coming out will match it - love it or hate it.

I actually think Ridge Racer 7's backgrounds look better than GT5 :) And i'm not alone hehe.

I'd love to see Hollywood's "proof" that i am another of "dave's" accounts...because he couldn't be so wrong...

That's what a typical liar would say, Dave Peterson.

HAHAHA....you're pathetic....

Really? Arent you the one cheerleading an unfinished format plagued with problems?

Flawless Victory!

Finish Him!

Fatality!

yeah, im backing the product that is still selling at a higher rate in North America, Europe and DOMINATING in Japan....

you're pathetic because you think I'm the same person as Dave...and apparently have proof...

Are you not one of the drones that keeps saying that a certain game for the 360 is going to stink. Well unlike the PS3 the 360 has great games. Read this and weep fanboy.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/821/821911p1.html

There's simply no denying it. This game alone is going to kill potential PS3 sales this season.

I have a friend named Kyle Peterson....and went to college with a kid named Sean Peterson...any relation Dave?...come on Hollywood...you've lost it..

Dave, You have no freinds of any kind.

Gee, you sound just like Dave. If it's brown, and smells like sh!t ....... it's sh!t (you).

You should watch the video review. It looks like the multiplayer will kick a$$! You can get the Collecters Edition for $58.99 and free shipping on Buy.com if you use the $10 Off Google Checkout (or $10 off any of the Halo 3's for the matter).

And so many more great titles out or soon to be out.

For the record, I back sddvd for the forseeable future also, and your right its blitzing in Japan.

That was pretty good.

"PC manufacturers who install Windows Vista on their systems don't have to pay Microsoft any extra royalties to effectively support both HD DVD and the included HDi"

why should it cost extra for a firmware upgrade?

"why should it cost extra for a firmware upgrade?"

- It doesn't. It specifically says so

(and the range of HDi features are a whole new software, hardly a mere firmware update.)

Why don't you just admit it?
That kind of dumb comment is probably more indicative of the lying going on with the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray idiot club who have allowed themselves to be conned into 'thinking' the ever-delayed 'profile 1.1' and 'profile 2.0' specs can be just firmware-updated to.

That's a hilarious deception but it's just pure garbage for the ignorant and wishful 'thinking' - it takes hardware as well as software, which they still can't get right.

So why not just admit that you're just desperately looking for problems and issues in this that don't exist?

Grow up, you obvious Blu-ray shill.

What firmware upgrade? Do you even know what you are talking about? You must be responding to a different article... but I have yet to even see an article anywhere that mentions this possibility you speak of.

Are you simply jealous that even if a firmware update is required (which there is no mention of anywhere), that it is all that would be necessary to allow even more additional content enjoyment on HD DVD than is already available?

No Blu-ray player in existence can claim that capability... not even the PS3 (officially). A firmware update cannot magically create the additional hardware necessary to do what Blu-ray players should have been capable of from the start... almost 1½ years ago. It will be a good 2 years since the first BD player hit the market before the public even sees the first players capable of what HD DVD players have been able to do since day one.

Quite simply, you're desperate, and you're reaching. I have no idea why all of you BD Smurfs feel the need to "plot" and come up with "strategies and tactics" on behalf of the company that has lied to you from the beginning. If the format was as good as you believed Sony told you it was, there wouldn't be a need to form a "Blu-ray Army" to help fuel the propaganda machine and "retaliate". The strengths and weaknesses of any new technology should be able to speak for itself... and I think it's doing a fine job of that on its own. Sony and the BDA have already made matters pretty bad from the beginning with their poor management and planning of the format. All you are doing is making matters worse for your beloved, and I'm all for it. :)

All HD DVD players made since day 1 of the format going on sale can use & play these advanced features.

Unlike the Blu-ray oposition which is at least 6- 9 months away from having a single player out on the market which can use their version of something very similar.

"something very similar."

I think you mean to say "something vastly superior."

No...he had it right when he said similar.

Of course, nobody will actually know until they get it to work.

"I think you mean to say "something vastly superior."

- OK. Then I'll ask you the same questions as I did earlier to the 'other' cretinous shill.

Name and list the features it will have that are "far superior".

Then tell us which players can use them.

Then tell us when these players are coming to market.

.....cos right now there's not a single one available and no sign of one for at least 6 - 9 months.

That's all you'll ever get out of them... "blah blah blah is better... yada yada is vastly superior..." yet they'll never provide proof to back up their claims. Any "proof" (false claims, inflated numbers, embellished capabilities, etc) they manage to scrape up is usually always from a fabricated reality, or self-induced psychosis.

I weep for the future, if these immature teenagers represent the "creme de la creme". Natural-born politicians, it seems. Completely full of crap... and they're okay with it.

You usually have so much to say but are getting very quite of late. Must be finally coming to the realization that you backed the wrong format.

How can it be vastly superior when they don't even incorporate an ethernet connection?
Do you know what it will be when finished?

Nothing more than an interactive CD-ROM, you dumb ass.

I can share my "Best of 300" clips with anyone else who wants to see them. Mine is called "dismemberment". It has been accessed over a thousand times since I posted it from my player. Hdi is very cool, and it works unlike a single BD player on the planet's BD-J feature.

You are getting desperate Dave.

SGD,

Look what I have posted in the last few days. It just go to show the level these people will sink to. Dave's petition site, that little girl on blu-ray.com .... it's priceless.

Plus the article about the current stste of Blu-Ray has links to back up every claim of Sony being in shambles right now.

I find the entire bluray web site to be a collection of what appears to be 10 year olds. The post you found was priceless but all so typical of that site. Some of the regular shills have been very quite.

I enjoy reading your posts then watching the fanboys grasp at straws to try and explain away what you and others say. This is beginning to look bad for them. I wonder if any of the studios are noting the present state of affairs that blu ray is having and are questioning their loyalty. I see Paramount as seeing the problems early and making the needed changes.

I would think Warner has had enough of this already, with BD-J and 1.1 pushed from May to October, now Q1/Q2 2008.

We park our cars in the same garage my freind.

You know, I honestly would have thought the entire world would have had enough of this by now, especially the poor misguided and uninformed consumers who got suckered into a BD player purchase... not to mention anyone else who will get suckered in at least the next 6 months.

Truly sad.

I have done my part with trying to properly inform friends, family, co-workers and perfect strangers about the shambles that Blu-ray has been in since the very beginning, versus the stability, reliability, and completeness of HD DVD. Blu-ray is a poor investment, and I absolutely hate to see people waste money.

Where I live, friends at the Best Buy here have said that Blu-ray players and PS3 consoles simply aren't selling that well. With relatively few exceptions, about the only people that come in to purchase BD players are doctors and lawyers (there are quite a few here) who have nothing better to waste their money on. A few people have managed to snag the LG Super Blu BH100 players (which I was surprised to see on the shelves so soon). The Toshibas are big sellers, as well as the 360 add-on (still). In every major retail outlet here, 60 GB PS3 consoles are still abundant.

Oh look, he sh*t his pants & ran away without responding to the actual facts & challenge, again.

Some of the kids of at bluray are concerned about more cancelled titles from Fox since blu can't get their collective head out of their as# with BD-J. They expect more to be cancelled but nothing has been said yet.

Funny how the tables have turned in such a hurry on the formats.

*gasp*

It's so unlike him... :)

is this to say that some hd-dvd content will be inaccessible on some hd-dvd players?
that doesn't make alot of sense.
leave it to M$ to extort consumers with a new technology.

one more reason not to go hd-dvd.

"is this to say that some hd-dvd content will be inaccessible on some hd-dvd players?
that doesn't make alot of sense.
leave it to M$ to extort consumers with a new technology.

one more reason not to go hd-dvd."

I think this wins the award for the most clueless, hypocritical, misguided statement in months.

(Edited to quote above statement because someone is apparently too clueless to realize I was referring to him. It was good for a giggle, though.) :)

me too.
you should maybe have a valid point to your statements, then they wouldn't seem so clueless.
;-)

"I think this wins the award for the most clueless, hypocritical, misguided statement in months."

- What do you expect fron the moronic loopy Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub liars.

They have no rational debate left now all their pi*sing contest bragging rights have gone, this is it now this is what they're left with, idiotic quibbling cos they either cannot or do not want to read what the article specifically says properly.

Are you serious? is someone playing a joke here?

You are the clueless one here since your post is so far out there. You really can not admit that HD at least has a final working product out there.

I noticed in a blo-ray add that the small print says that not all blo-ray disks will be able to read on this machine. The Sony damage control has started.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=525

hope this doesn't mean too big of a price drop from the Blu-Ray side....might spell problems for HD-DVD...as price is their big selling point right now...

Funny, and here I thought that the biggest selling point of HD DVD was that it actually works... completely.

Metfanant / Dave seems to think he can post a link and make innocuous statements. I already proved you are yet again another DaveBG (Dave Peterson) account. Jagoff.

Just admit BD is incomplete and more than likely everyone (including me) will be screwed when the 1.1 spec will only be available on new players and not a simple firmware update.

I'm not an HD-DVD fanboy, I just know BD sucks.

Here is a link to Dave's petition, you will laugh your a** off as you read this:

http://petitionspot.com/petitions/Blu-ray/

The site is down quite a bit so you may have to click it more than once. One second, the link works and another it doesn't.

What a sad, pathetic POS this man is.

I just can't get enough of me feeling superior to this turd burglar. He knows it too. I'm Anakin Sywalker and he's Jar Jar Binks.

Funny if the system was really as good as they say it is a petition drive would not be needed. The product would speak for itself. Well I guess it is.

I never read that petition or thought about it until now.
The first line: 'Lets support Blu-ray because it has already won and needs the last from 8 major studios to support it!'

If something has won it allready has the support? Thus petition isnt required

I stopped reading it after that line because either it was likely a teenager wrote it or I am living in a different planet.

A price drop won't help, if you have to buy a new player, to have full functionality, each time they update BD-J.

"hope this doesn't mean too big of a price drop from the Blu-Ray side"

- Slow news day stuff.

Almost all Japanese companies, banks and financial institutions have some form of investment in each other (it's a strength of their system......but, as was seen in recent years, it can also be a weakness).

There's not really much new here, afterall the Blu-ray group of CE corporations already cost-share and collaborate.

I just saw something very funny that I have to share with all of you. This is a real post by a scared little girl over at blu-ray.com.

Look at the title of the post .... LMAO!

OK, Paramount is gone! Get over it & let's plot strategies!

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OK, Blu Ray Brothers, Paramount folded, like a pair of deuces at the Poker table, so lets move on. Now we must start to plan on how were going to counterattack the full court press by the HD DVD zealots in every forum. We need to become stormtroopers and take them on with logic and zeal! We need to start making a list of what is good about our format and what is bad about theirs. We need to come to a conclusion on what we have to say and spread it everywhere, taking on all the liars and bulls***ters who want to spread their garbage around.

Why do this? New adopters read those sites. Studio's read these sites. Retailers read these sites. We have to get our message out and with a lot of zeal and truth. I take these a******s on every chance I get and it get's bitter. I can't change their minds but I can influence others who might be looking for some direction on which way to go. I need your input. Here is what I believe are the solid selling points that I use to deflect the other sides zealots and what I sell as positives for Blu Ray.

What's good about Blu Ray:

50GB disks that allow lossless audio
A majority of Hollywood Studio's on board
A choice of many Standalone receivers to purchase
More Blu Ray capable machines with PS3's on the market
2 - 1 software sales advantage
Better scratch protection

The Disadvantages of HD DVD:

Combo Disks that cost more
One single company making their platform
Poor quality disks from Universal
XBOX 360's poor quality and need for repairs often
30 GB Disks that compress audio and video too much
Microsoft is a poor corporate partner

Am I missing anything? Please add and give me some more input. Time to raise the Black Flag and go on the offensive!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=14814

These are the people Dave hangs out with. He forgot to mention the 40% success rate of making BD25 discs and 10% success on BD50. Also, as most BD movies are BD25, HD actually uses more storage per movie at 30GB.

I guess he also forgot to mention BD launched unfinished and they still cant get the 1.1 profile right. Also, no one has verified that current BD players can be update to profile 1.1, not even the beloved PS3.

There are lots of pesky facts that make BD a bad format so far but I guess when you blindly go through life like a sheep, following the crowd, you cant expect much thought and creativity.

Here's an opinion piece with no less than 30 links to back up his post. Not good for BD.

http://www.avsforum.com/...showthread.php?t=899662

If anyone in thier right mind actually reads the story and the related articles in the links, they would never buy a BD player.

WTF does xbox360 have to do with hd-dvd?
How is a combo disk a negative, if anything it gives you the best of both worlds.

"Microsoft is a poor corporate partner"

Sony, is SO much better, right?

I think its Dave's sister.

Jebus H Creast.

Oh no!
Blu-ray has all the 'mentalists' working at their PR for them.

(Note the plain outright lies or sheer ignorant & incorrect facts.)

......and they wonder why they get such a hard time when they try spreading their BS around!

Game, set and match to HD DVD with a laughable opposition like that, me thinks.

You want a good giggle?

Read that entire article aloud with your best Cartman impression. It's about the same mentality.

Follow it up with "Come Sail Away" for the complete effect...LMAO.

I wonder if the fact that you get the option to buy a new BR player each time they update BD-J could be considered a 'pro' for Blu-ray?

I will bet anyone here $1000 dollars that current BD (including the PS3) players will not be able to update to profile 1.1 when it finally comes out in Q1/Q2 of 2008.

Any takers?

Those people there are pathethic. If you dare say anything there you are banned. The average age there muct be like 12 with the blu-blod army and that crap. Actually, I take that back they are beyond pathetic.

They seem to think that the PS3 can do anything. I will be curious to see how they will add a second video decoder with a firmware update. Even the PS3 seems like it may be in trouble with the profile issues.

They also mention failure rates of HD funny I haven't heard about failure rates of the units. Unless they try to say the 360 is the failure and to that they are reaching too.

"Even the PS3 seems like it may be in trouble with the profile issues."

Which is a shame, as it stands now. The Ethernet port on the PS3 is rather... unimpressive (out of the box).

Those people really need to take a look at themselves in the mirror and ask what do they want in life.
It’s amazing anyone who truly cares about blu-ray would post news links from that site. If i was to go there and read those forums, It would tell me right away there’s something seriously wrong with blu-ray if people are acting like that. It may be fact there’s nothing wrong at all, but their attitude stinks.
They do more damage to their own loved format by carrying on like spoilt children.

I mean common.. "Microsoft is a poor corporate partner" most likely posted by a person running windows xp. If they are poor by definition then their beloved Sony is, along with almost every other corporation.
And why the hell has he mentioned xbox360 in there? it has nothing to do with it at all. You gotta buy the addon intentionally and the xbox's failures has nothing to do with it.

"New adopters read those sites. Studio's read these sites. Retailers read these sites"

- Laughably blind self-agrandising BS.

Like as if any 'normal' potential customer & paying punter can't spot those absurdly preachy biased (and frankly so badly informed) zealots a mile off.

Seriously, those children need help and the adults using them (as they so clearly are) ought to face criminal prosecution.

.....Sweden has the right idea, they ban any advertsiing aimed at children & stop the corporations targeting and corrupting young & impressionable children.

Here is a new desperate one for ya from the losers of there at bluray. The childishness of that site is ridiculous.

http://forum.blu-ray.com...php?p=236358#post236358

It's asking me to log in, so I made an account. It's username: hddvdisbetter and password: blu-raysucks for anyone that doesn't want to make an account there.

LOL

Wow, '300' really got some of them fired up, eh?

So... dramatic! *rolls eyes*

By the way, Hollywood___, just in case the banned 'Daves' want to read it, here's the link to the non-AVS article:

http://www.campaignhd.com/807_State_Of_BD.html

Just to clarify thing for people who don't know about next gen HD movie players.

Blu-Ray released thier format and players unfinished. The planned to add features that would give future releases some cool interactive features. Of course every release until them won't have sh!t for extra features. They can't even do PIP without putting the entire movie with PIP on the second layer.

The problem is, BD-Java doesnt even work yet, not one player anywhere in the world has BD-Java working 100%. That means the studios can't even start to test and program those features until they get a working prototype.

This is why no Matrix on BD and a lot of other movies as well. Pixar Cars will be held back because of the problem, mark my words. Sony has it's head up it's a** with BD.

Also, nowhere on Earth does it say that existing players will be able to upgrade to the BD 1.1 spec, not even the PS3. It's all speculation. Sony is going to great lengths to hide any news of thier huge problems with BD-J and the 1.1 / 2.0 spec.

A lot of people don't seem to realize that BD is unfinished and in shambles right now.

Lastly, HD-DVD is making a nice comeback in the sales figures at Amazon. They released a finished player with complete specs and every player from day one will be future proof.

Sorry Dave, BD sucks. You can keep telling yourself otherwise because you invested $600 into a gaming system / "high end" movie player and that is probably a lot of monney to you. So, you don't want your "huge" investment to take a s*** so you try to convince everbody BD is great.

Except you are turning people off to BD instead. It's hilarious.

They may as well call the format 'UMD2' or 'SuperUMD', because it will surely share the same fate: a proprietary game console format that happens to have a few movies available for it.

That's hysterical... "Universal" Movie Disc. Anyone care to guess how many other UMD players there were besides the PSP? LOL

Target made the announcement last year to pull all UMD titles out of their stores because studios were dropping support and they simply weren't selling. The same will happen to Blu-ray if they don't shape up.

Good news.
Show off the fact that HD DVD players have all had the advanced features' since day 1 of HD DVD going on sale.

.....maybe sometime late next year Blu-ray will do similar if or when they eventually get their system working properly.

(and of course the remaining Blu-ray shills will claim it's just 'awesome')

We already know Blu-Ray interactive BD-J is far superior to HD-i, the main reason why it's taking so long. When it's done however, it will outclass anything HD DVD can offer.

"We already know Blu-Ray interactive BD-J is far superior to HD-i, the main reason why it's taking so long. When it's done however, it will outclass anything HD DVD can offer."

- OK then f*ckwit.

Name and list the features it will have that are "far superior".

Then tell us which players can use them.

Then tell us when these players are coming to market.

.....cos right now there's not a single one available and no sign of one for at least 6 - 9 months.

LMAO! That is one of the dumbest things you have ever said. BD-J doesn't even work yet and 1.1 is pushed back to 2008 Q1.

HDi is incredibly cool, how do you suppose they will do interactive content on Blu-Ray without a network connection?

Not if no one wants to write applications that utilize it.

Just as it seems that nobody wants to (or knows how to properly) code for the PS3, nobody wants to write lengthy code to take advantage of BD-J, when the same thing can be accomplished much more simply with HDi. It's not cost-effective for the studios. You think movie studios want the equivalent of game programmers on their payroll?

Exactly... and somehow in spite of those non-existent spectacular BD features, HD DVD isn't expected to last past the holiday season, according to the Smurfs. Whatever...

Cue another Sony/PS3/Blu-ray shill plopping their 'Y's and running away from the truth, again.

How many times will you have to reboot? how many BSOD will you get? LMAO.

LMAO at what? That was seriously lame.

Sad, if that's the best you've got.

How long do you think it will take before we all see a BD-J logo?

Now that's a LMAO.

A BD-J logo? Do you know how much space it would take, to keep x'ing out (and adding a new) revision number each time they made a player obsolete?

Wow, now that has to be the dumbest thing you have come up with.

Well, history has proven M$ writes horribly buggy code which crashes frequently. It is only logical to assume your HD-DVD player will be crashing and locking up with M$ software on board.

Sorry in your M$ drone land, everything M$ does is golden and never faulty, but in the real world, that is not the case.

Is that why Microsoft has the most popular code on the planet?

BTW, you are so clever for using the money sign in the Microsoft name, and it's so refreshing to see because it is so original.

Yet one again you prove to the world that you are completely clueless. You can assume all you want but that simply is not the case. Do you use Windows on your computer? Funny how all you do is bash MS but use their products. Stop being a troll.

Not sure when you last used Windows but the only time MS crashes is bad drivers or bad hardware. Something you can't really fault MS for.

Now in the case of the hd-dvd MS is not designing the hardware. Not everything MS has problems. Sure, there are some but any company with their reach would have the same.

Not one person ever said MS is perfect, and btw you can crash Mac OSX and Linux too, they aren't 100%, try again.

and history has proven that everyone else wrote perfectly good code? I take it you were not around then

Well, if you've got it, flaunt it! (HD DVD)

If you don't, lie and pretend you do anyway, and hopefully customers won't notice... (Blu-ray)

not sure what you are trying to say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...rmats#Technical_Details
according to that, there are 3 items that HD DVD has over bluray and at least 11 going the other way

I was speaking of the fact that HD DVD customers have been enjoying the benefits of a complete and final specification for their hardware and software since the very first player hit retail shelves... almost 18 months ago.

Blu-ray, not so much... for about as many months. They are still "working hard" on getting everyone on the same page and to iron out the final specs to bring it up to par with the extra features and benefits of HD DVD. Blu-ray is a format that has serious identity crisis issues.

Simply put, HDi works... then and now. Period. If you've got it, flaunt it. Got it now?

Playsforsure was the best logo yet. Microsoft knows what they are doing here...

Sarcasm?

HDiiiii....

and that's what it comes down to - stickers ...

Why shouldn't it? All players from day one can use the HDi features on any disc.

Unlike BD which needs to finish the 1.1 spec before they can do ....... picture in picture. Anyone who thinks that they will be able to update a PS3 or an existing stand alone player with a simple firmware upgrade to 1.1 is insane.

This means you Dave Peterson.

I know my PS3 will be a complete POS after 1.1 comes out and I'll have to get a real BD player someday.

It will be like 9/11 over at the blu-ray forum when they announce this little bit of information. They will just be standing there in disbelief that Sony yet again ****ed them.

It's like the Blueray monster snuck into your room and molested you. You just seem really infatuated with this stuff.

On another note, maybe some movies won't be playable to their full potential on your PS3, but it still has its other functions - you know, like gaming, and more importantly, viewing porn from the comfort of your living room. (Unless you purchased it solely as a movie player).

No, I know that a certain fanboy will go off the handle at anything anti-BD / pro HD-DVD. I love to watch his comments.

I work at home, on my computer, BetaNews is always 1 click away and watching Dave scramble for links disproving my true statements is hilarious.

I actually purchased a PS3 because I thought the games would be spectacular and they would have a huge library by Spring 07. It has ben one big dissappointment and a very mediocre Blu-Ray player. The black levels suck a bag of sh!t compared to my XA1 or A2. Even my Samsung upscaling standard DVD does better blacks than the PS3.

Yeah I purchased the system a few weeks ago at a pretty bargain price, but the current line up of games is terrible. Thank God I have a nice collection of PS2 games that look pretty decent when up-converted to 1080p.

I'm new to the HD game, so everything looks great to me on my Aquos. But I'm definitely not surprised that the PS player seems mediocre by your standards. Would we expect anything more from Sony? At least this system hasn't died on me yet (*knock on wood).

At least this system hasn't died on me yet (*knock on wood).

And it only took two versions and a plethra of revisions to solve that problem! (so far)

I'm thinking he was referring to his PS3, not the PS2. They finally build a console around reliable hardware for once, and they're having a hard time getting rid of it. Ironic.

Right there with you on the PS2, though.