Apple should stop making the hardware and just concentrate on releasing the operating system. Apple would make an absolute killing if they allowed the os to be installed on PCs. I would install it and I'm sure that many many others would. But we're just not prepared to go out and buy the equipment to run the os when we already have a PC. Dumb Apple. [tsk]

Okay so Apple openly supports running Windows on their hardware but you can't do the opposite? That's just asinine.

Well, this is a better alternative to Ubuntu, OSX is free and hacked... I don't mind ripping off Apple.

Let's just hope the information how-to stays available for long enough to actually get something usable out of it.

Freedom of speech/information?

Not when it applies to copyright infringement. ;)

Hahaha. Thanks for the link, BetaNews.

Bah.

Wait for the torrent.

That's what I was thinking =). The documentation given by these guys is a reflection of their own experience. They skip a few steps here and there and honestly - it was difficult enough for me to install OSX 10.4.8 the first time -- a few computers weren't compatible and finally my DELL Laptop installed it so easily. The JaS MaCOSX v10.4.8 with DiskUtil / BikeDude's UltraATA support, etc. is a wonderful distro. I've tried upgrades and had to end up reinstalling.

If you do the reading it's on AMD systems, so far as I can tell nothing for Intel system. Which is weird, cause you would think it would be. I know I would love to have all the hardware in my pc running os x, would be sick.

I agree with drumcat Apple needs to give it up and stop trying to make people buy their hardware to get their os. There are people that will still buy Apple hardware but with Microsoft Vista the way it is, I can see a giant sucking sound of money being taken away from Microsoft and going in to Apples pockets. Bill Gates became a billionare by selling a OS not hardware. If Apple would release a version of OS X that can be installed on a pc. If Steve Jobs was smart he would see this as a opertunity to gain market share. The worse thing that Steve Jobs did when he took Apple back was to stop the Apple clones. I personaly owned 2 clones.

definitely untrue. one of the nice things about apple is they can push tech forward by dropping dead tech like floppies and crts and then introduce high end tech like scsi, firewire, magneto optical drives, etc, without worrying about clones dragging their feet

Well any company could do that, regardless of OS.

huh my apple 2 clone had a 3.5 inch floppy 7 months before apple put one in to there systems. well lets see how long did it take apple to put a sata drive in to there systems. i had a mobo with sata connections months before apple brought out the new mac's with the connections. ibm tried to claim the same thing when compaq and others came out with pc clones. hasn't hurt the pc.
i am not trying to turn this in to a mac pc war both have there good and bad points, but apple could help there selfs much more if they would stop the strangle hold on os x. right now with windows vista doing so bad apple could walk in and increse their sales by 20% easy.

Proprietary hardware?Hmmmm I wonder how many home PC users out there that are daunted by the market just buy from Dell, or HP? Aren't those mostly proprietary unless you know what you are getting (tower vs. desktop).

And Vista? I use XP now, but from what I hear... Vista is so bad that most tech experts are telling everyone to stay away (ie. Windows ME). And aren't XP users expected to get many of the security enhancements via the SP3 coming soon?

The only thing PC users like to complain about, and is a viable argument against Apple, is the lack of games. But if you aren't a hardcore gamer, then Apple machines will give you all the services (even business software) a comparable PC will give you.

Apple just does things with a touch more "style" than Microsoft does.

Fan boys will come up with an excuse to numb themselves, and you are a perfect example of it.

And what exactly is the point of your post? I am a fan of Apple computers, software and iPods. I can admit that and be proud. Who here can honestly be proud to say they are a fan boy of Microsoft Windows and Zune?

I use Windows every day at work and at home. I also own a MacBook and use it for my music streaming to my stereo through Airport Express and it also works great for travel.

Each system has it's ups and downs and enjoy each for what they have to offer.

Fan boy indeed... but I'd rather be a fan boy of Apple than MS to be honest. ;)

And most tech experts are exactly NOT that... tech experts. Don't believe everything what you hear. Vista is not the new ME.

I was pleasantly surprised when we unpacked my Wife's HP 14(somethingorother) to find an Asus MB in that thing.

The same one (aside from the last digit) I had purchased for my Home-Built. I wouldn't go trying to upgrade a Dell anytime soon (mostly due to work experience with the GX business line, the home systems likely vary wildly).

Its worse, far worse...

Only if your a Mac fanboy or 'M$' hater. Hello Pit$ingo.

"Fan boy indeed... but I'd rather be a fan boy of Apple than MS to be honest."

But wouldn't that be true for anybody, whatever they're a fanboy of?

I am an MS fanboy and proud. I have vista, zune, and xbox360. Vista is a hell of a lot better than people think it is. I have not had issues with stability. I had some compatability issues when I first got it, but almost everything I use works with vista now. The performance and compatability patches have been definately improving the OS. Although I wouldn't have encouraged computer illiterate people to upgrade to vista when it came out (i did anyway), I would recommend it now although compatability isn't all the way there yet, but come SP1 I would recommend it for everyone. It will be a highly reliable system.

The same can be said for any new version of apple anything, they are buggy when they are released, and they get better over time with patches.

I may be a fanboy, but i am realistic, and i give credit where it is due. And OS X has definately become a very good OS over the last 6 years of updating and feature adding.

Idiot! I bet many of the people that complain about Vista havent even used it. I said the exact same thing with XP when it came out. You all forget that this happens with every new release of Windows.

F No!

I'm not daunted, but I do buy 100% DELL =). I don't find any amusement in putting together my own system without a warranty -- plus I'm not a gamer. With some of the coupon codes on retailmenot.com, I've managed to price out the DELL I just bought against everything else out there and it was the best deal in town.

I just like the fact that OSX will be sweet on here when I get the time to install it =)

Well Vista is a Piece, i have played with it since it was in beta i like the ideas behind it but M$ is trying to force it on everyone. As for the People that said XP was crap from the start were right it did suck but after 2 years or so it became a viable OS. Vista has to change some fundamental problems and People need to Upgrade their Relics for PCs but that all takes time ill wait 2 or 3 more years before ill use it Full time.

But Vista as of Right Now meaning 2007 is not worth looking at for the average user.

"M$ is trying to force it on everyone."

I'm very sorry you feel as though MS has a gun to your head, but it sounds like more of a personal issue than anything based in reality.

We can still buy systems with XP, MacOSX, or hell, even ubuntu on them. No-one is being forced to use Vista.

If that's not proof that Apple should be selling to hobbyists, I don't know what is. Imagine OSX single-seat for $249 that doesn't require Apple hardware. FLYIN' OFF THE SHELF!

I think that as a sarcasm. People just making assumption that everyone will jump on the Apple boat. Linux is free, and has improved tremendously over the years, yet they still don't get much market sure.

Compare to Linux and OSX, I will pick Linux any day. Security, Linux is better. Program, I am sure Linux can run more. And it's free.

another problem is if apple starts selling it off the shelf for pc's then they face the very large problem of supporting all the different hardware available which will make osx atlot less stable because of crappy hardware then the world will fill up with people that complain about what a pile o crap it is just like they do to vista.

Yeah. Also you can build your own PC and legally put Linux on it. If I didn't care about games and the amount of programs and compatibility of XP or Vista (like my camcorder editing program only works on XP), I'd be using Linux.

You are really funny? An OS cannot support the hardwares, and the hardwares are labeled as crappy?

Hey, I cannot handle a ferrari, it must be a crappy car. Beautiful logic.

that doesn't make since at all??? it's really simple if you build a pc out of lowend crappy parts it is most like to lock up, crash alot more if you build a pc out of good parts it is not going to crash very often... just like vista runs great on a good pc runs bad on a crappy pc's very simple concept. if apple opens the door to the pc world then they will have to face all the people with crappy budget pc's &itching all the time about how bad osx is (just like they do to vista) when the whole problem is flaky hardware.

My point is, Windows is able to handling all these hardwares without any problem. The only time there is a problem is the driver is bad. After all, Apple and it's fans claim OSX is a much superior OS than Windows. Your statement just say Windows as a inferior OS to OSX can do much better.

what i'm saying is osx should run better because it's written for specific hardware. if they opened it up to any pc (like vista) then people with buggy hardware or drivers will have the same problems people do with vista.

I am finding this to be less and less an issue. Either it will work with Wine/Crossover Office, or for those few things that actually require XP, I can fire one up in a Virtual Machine. And yes, usb ports can be setup to pass through to the VM, so the digital camera will appear to be hooked up directly to the XP Virtual Machine as far as your program is concerned.

I'd much rather only use Windows when I have to rather than full time, and don't mind booting up a VM from time to time. It's amazing how little that happens for me now though.

Apple has said it's software is 100% perfect and hack proof!!! So I believe them!
just kidding :)

"Apple is not only fighting hackers who wish to bring the company's OS to the PC"

This right here is why their market share is so puny. Nobody wants to buy their overpriced proprietary hardware.

how is apples hardware proprietary? Intel CPU? Nvidia graphics? Which hardware component does Apple make?

The OS is proprietary to Apple, but that hardware is far from proprietary.

You still can't build or buy a PC (besides from Apple) and put OSX on it legally. That's what makes it proprietary.

Why would Apple want fight the best thing to ever happened to OSX? That's the only way they are ever going to compete with windows. A OSX that can be installed on a regular PC. People don't like to be forced to buy expensive non expandable mediocre hardware just to get a alternative OS.

Your welcome guys.

You know where to find us... *wink*

*comment edited to be less negative to mac osx*

seriously, whats the benefit gained from loading osx on windows hardware?

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Inferior to Vista? LOL. You must be high or drunk.

A good OS on usable hardware, not Apple's POS hardware.

what can osx do that vista cant? OSX is really nice for the elderly from my experience. My grandma doesnt get viruses and spyware and can easily click on the safari icon and check her free email she got from the public library.

However, for a young technical oriented person osx is not as good as vista.

Its really more designed a Fisher Price approach to computer using.

zero.

Dense, or flamebait?

MacOSX is already on Windows Hardware. Apple moved MacOSX to Intel quite some time ago.

Your right there's nothing you can do on OSX that you can't do on Windows. But in my opinion when it comes to graphics and video OSX is better than Windows. But that said OSX is a nicer and cleaner looking OS than Vista. And it is a easy OS that grandma can use to send e-mail. But as a Linux user neither Windows nor OSX can hold a candle to a Linux Beryl 3D desktop. Both OS' are years behind Linux when it comes to 3D desktops. Not that Vista or OSX have anything that even resembles a 3D desktop.

or BOTH!

But you do still have to buy it from Apple if you want to legally run OSX along with Windows.

You think people actually give a crap about 3D desktops?? Talk about a novelty!

Linux's Berly Desktop is Nice but what can you play on it? every game has to be ported to run on Linux there is no new game that can run native on Linux so from a Gamers stand point it a useless OS much like OSX, but if that ever changes ill Jump the M$ ship for any OS that is Stable and i can Play any game i want run any app i want till then XP is the only Option, Vista still doesn't foot the bill yet.

Sure if your a gamer Linux is useless at least for the near future. But I was only talking about the desktop visuals. Both Vista and Leopard have minimal changes under the hood. They just tried to make the desktop look more modern. And with that a Linux Beryl desktop kicks @ss. But it won't take long before Apple and M$ rip off Linux features again:-)

Have to agree. Linux desktop environments, even Xfce, give you everything you can't get on Vista or OS X. Check out vixta.org