for all you "ps3" lovers, FU(K YOU YOU @SSHOLES!!

Nice to see you representing the average Xbox owner..

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No one is forcing anyone to buy anything, and as terminalx pointed out Sony did the same thing. Funny how when Sony does it their fanboys are happy. Oh and Program86 and Joey Deacon are in love with each other. They like to cuddle together in their Sony underoos.

Sony's only requirement to demo their products is letting them to install a rootkit on your machine. :)

Wow, look at this ALL sony Fanboys, not everyone thinks Crackdown is a crappy game its subjective, yes it sucks that you have to buy a game to try the demo but they aren't forcing you to try the beta. Sony did the same thing with FF12 for the demo, you had to buy dragon quest 8 and a lot of people did not like it but they still bought it. nothing new here EVERYONE does it.

More BS.

Yes, a playable demo of FF12 was on the Dragon Quest 8 CD for the PS2, but there was also a shed load of other ways of getting it. I have several magazine cover disks with it on..

Still nice try...

Initially it was on Dragon Quest EXCLUSIVELY of course this changed later but INITIALLY it was since this is just a BETA I am sure demo disks will be released later, either way WII and XBOX360 is taking the lead and manufacturers are debating their exclusivity for ps3, the ps3 has a chance to be great but again I think the technology is too new and they are not able to utilitize it properly, 3DO did the same thing and you can see where it is now, granted sony is a lot bigger but if everyone runs from them and makes games for the competition then it may be game over...theres talks square soft and ea are thinking of leaving but its only rumors so we will have to see.

Don't be too hard on him, you can't expect him to know the difference between a beta and a playable demo. lol

They make you buy a crappy $60 game just so you can beta preview for 3 weeks? MS can eat a dik with that policy.

Crappy is all a matter of opinion. I know a lot of people that bought it just for Halo 3 beta and ended up loving the game too.

And they do not MAKE you buy anthing. There were 2 other possible ways to get in to the beta.

And this whole process makes perfect sense. They do not want an open beta - this keeps it limited and at the same times helps sales of a title.

LOL, you got a buy a crappy game, to get on the beta, which lasts for 3 weeks, then they get you to buy the game when it comes out...

Microsoft are also forcing the developers to charge for the Gears Of War level packs, no free content on 360 it seems.

Then there is the no-HDMI or 1080p for you, unless you throw last years XBox away and buy this years model..

Where do 360 owners start queueing to get shafted by Microsoft? Seems they can't get enough...

not to mention their return department =]

Another move by MicroSH*T. That's what Gates learnt while in Harvard. Crow.

That's how they Care for customers.

"Then there is the no-HDMI or 1080p for you, unless you throw last years XBox away and buy this years model.."

That's funny...my xbox which I got at launch and have plugged into my tv with a vga cable supports 1080p...you must be talking about a different console.

Also...I don't know where you get this info about MS forcing developers to charge for GoW level packs...you must have read that in your sony dreams somewhere.

"LOL, you got a buy a crappy game, to get on the beta, which lasts for 3 weeks, then they get you to buy the game when it comes out..."

Really? Weird...because there's nobody at my house with a gun to my head forcing me to buy crackdown...and there's nobody forcing me to play the beta of halo 3 before buying it when it's released. Maybe they just haven't gotten to me yet tho'?

wow such a mature post, did you come up with that clever wording on your own?

Not really surprising: http://i16.tinypic.com/30ich2t.jpg

Don't believe anything Niro says.

Microsoft forcing developers to charge for 360 content (no free stuff for 360 owners...)

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=38823

And the afterthought 1080p bodge on the 360 is not without it problems (unless you are one of the few owners of TV sets that actually accept a working 1080p VGA signal from a 360)

Did someone mention WindowsME, Zune, Microsoft BOB, Vista or HD-DVD?

They all died a horrible death...

LOL!! This is the best one yet! Siting THE ENQUIRER as his source and taking it as FACT! That is great...wow, just wow. :)

Give me a real source...Sony fanboy desperation is just getting too obvious.

And I don't know any 1080p tv's that don't support 1080p over VGA...then again, not many people actually HAVE a 1080p TV.

"Sniff, bu...but what about Windows Me? Sniff..."

This is when your typical Sony fanboy gets desperate and starts grasping at straws, some of which are ridiculous lies. For example Vista, which in no way "died a horrible death". Trying to prove that they are not whiny little crybabies by pointing out the flaws in other products like Bob which no one was ever trying to defend. I believe that is a type of strawman argument, attack an opponent that doesn't really exist. Keep on crying lardass, I rest my case.

"IN AN OPEN conversation for the 1UP's podcast, Tim Sweeney disclosed how Microsoft is barring their efforts to offer free content for owners of Gears of War."

1Up, if you had even bothered to read it, too busy wiping the foam from around your mouth...

Vista, HD DVD and Zune are all still alive...its ok to have a disagreement just leave your fanboy bs at home. You are grasping at straws and its obvious you do not like Microsoft so anything you say can be construed as fanboy.

Windows Me - Ran until it's scheduled end of life after being replaced by XP. Not widely considered a great OS but did not die a horrible death.

Zune - Sales below expectations but still being produced and sold. If that is the definition of dying a horrible death, then the PS3 is already dead as well.

Microsoft Bob - Market Failure

Vista - Not even remotely a failure, now you are just being a retard.

HD-DVD - Still competing quite well, far too early to declare a winner and it has certainly not died a horrible death.

Well that's 1 out of 5 you got right, but the sheer idiocy of your overall post is quite astounding.

Hardly, none of the following are failures, yet Alex Stevens linked to a image suggesting they were.

PSP (20 million consoles and counting.. Over double the amount of 360s_

PS3 (outselling the 360 in 1st 4 month sales)

Blu-Ray (totally obliterating HD-DVD)

ATRAC/MS/UMD are not failures either, just propriety to Sony products, none of which are failures either (PSP for example does all 3 formats).

No dumba**, the pic just lists well known things about Sony and points out that fanboys like to cry a lot. No where did it say they were all failures. The rootkit wasn't even a product. Your post on the other hand clearly says that products like Vista died a horrible death, making you either really stupid or a LIAR.

PSP doesn't compete against the 360, it competes against the DS which is annihilating it in sales. PS3 is not outselling the 360, you are full of sh**. UMD was a total market failure, why do you think the movie studios pulled out of the format and no longer release movies on it? ATRAC failed in the portable audio market. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD together have a very tiny market share, neither is obliterating the other. HD-DVD currently holds the lead in Europe. Must be nice living in your fanboy dreamland. I look forward to your next post, they are quite amusing. If you can quit foaming at the mouth long enough to write one. :D

Errm, you do know that UMD is doing fine for PSP games, it's the format of choice... UMD was only a failure for movies, hardly suprising, nobody wants to buy movies a 2nd time.

Sony's PlayStation 3 selling faster at release than Xbox 360?

http://www.engadget.com/...t-release-than-xbox-360/

As for HD-DVD leading in Europe, afraid your wrong. Actually living here, I can walk into most stores and find Blu-Ray (Blockbuster, HMV, Virgin, WHSMith all stock Blu-Ray, only HMV stocks HD-DVD, and even then very limited stuff).

"Errm, you do know that UMD is doing fine for PSP games, it's the format of choice..."

Ha ha ha! Format of choice! That's the only disc format it can use. Also it was absolutely intended to be used for movies as well, and it failed! Don't expect to see any other products supporting UMD. Does the PS3? I rest my case, it was a failure.

Faster at release doen't mean jack, what counts is total sales and right now the PS3 isn't doing well at all. The 360 is currently outselling it in the US and the Wii is destroying it worldwide.

HD-DVD is leading in Europe, deny it all you want but spouting BS about you walking into stores doesn't mean anything. http://tinyurl.com/2x4k6k

Sorry Niro, but Keith is right.

"Vista, HD DVD and Zune are still alive"

yeah, if you mean like "in a coma alive"... haha

Just so you know, laughing at your own joke doesn't make it any less lame. Oh and since the PS3 sales are slow does that mean it's in a coma too? Woops, I guess you didn't think of that when you were coming up with your "joke".

Ok first of all this is a "beta." Nobody is forcing you to play the beta. The game is not even finished yet.

Also that is total BS that you can not use 1080p without HDMI. I am sure you probably know this you just like to spout your BS. Any other BS you want to spout today? I am sure some will probably be posted in the reply to this post.

"Microsoft: First Month Vista Sales Double XP"
http://www.betanews.com/...es_Double_XP/1174940745

I think your brain was in a coma when you typed that post...Seriously people use your head first then type. No I don't mean type with your head. Think about what you are saying. Then you can use "fingers" to type your hopefully better thought out post then what I see above.

Very interesting article. I believe this guys comment pretty much sums it up.

"Unfortunately for Sony and the PS3...no one compares What is to what was. The Xbox 360 is currently outselling the PS3 by a huge margin (about 125,000 last month).

It doesn't make sense to compare the PS3 sales of today to the Xbox 360 sales of yesterday. Or the PS3 graphics of tommorrow...to the 360's graphics of today.

Heres food for thought:
IGN has compiled a list of the best games coming to PS3 and 360 this spring.

PS3 list: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/775/775334p1.html
Xbox 360 list: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/775/775386p1.html "

To bad that is one of the last sources i would trust.

Does he ever?
No!

Its hilarious. Everything Keith says backfires on him.

Thats because its the only format for it.

You Dolt.

The store thing is FACT. HD-DVD launched very late in Europe (Nov 2006), and players are very thin on the ground. There are now 1,000,000 PS3 Blu-Ray players.

We have already seen how the PS3 decimated the HD-DVD market in the US within 6 weeks... It does not take a rocket scientist to see it's happening here.

You'll forgive me if I don't take the word of a raving fanboy as fact, not one that makes claims like Vista died a horrible death. I am certainly not going to take your word over that of Ars Technica or the Financial Times.

Assuming the comments are true, the big question is what is NOT being said?

I'm sure there is a lot more involved in this then Epic not wanting to charge and MS wanting to charge. MS is the publisher and I bet there's contracts or something else that stipulated they needed to charge or something like that.

Point is - we are hardly hearing the whole side of the story.

Keith,

All we have seen is how PS3 coupled with a total lack of HD-DVD movies has pushed blu-ray to a slight lead.

When you actually look at the numbers of players (Counting all PS3's as players), blu-ray's sales are pathetic. HD-DVD has a much better attach rate. And sales are going to increase now that we are seeing better releases.

WinME lasted in retail less than a year I believe before Win98SE took over again, until the release of XP.. So, I'd say it was a horrible death for it..

Zune is just another mp3 player, it'll fade away like all the rest do eventually.

Vista isn't dead yet, no one wants to update though, as the SP1 hasn't been released yet..

HD-DVD will last as long as Blu-ray if not longer..

"PS3 list: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/775/775334p1.html
Xbox 360 list: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/775/775386p1.html " "

That is interesting...most of those upcoming PS3 games are already out for the 360, and the other are coming out for both...maybe one or two exclusive titles.

The 360 lineup looks much more interesting.

WinME lasted in retail less than a year I believe before Win98SE took over again

Actually Me was only out for a year before XP was released. It was just an interim release mainly for OEMs and new machines, and thus can't really be counted as a retail failure. It is certainly one of the most reviled versions of Windows, though I never had any trouble with it myself.

Zune may be just another mp3 player, but Microsoft is not just another company. I doubt the Zune will just fade away, likely they'll make improvements to fix the complaints people have. They didn't give up after the first Xbox and now they are reaping their rewards. Besides I don't believe the Zune is really doing as bad as people claim. I'll wait until I see some solid sales numbers.

I noticed that too. There is no denying that the 360 has a FAR superior game base and if anybody tries to say any different I am calling them a liar "in advance." Last time I checked games was the most important part of a "gaming" console. Which is the main reason why the PS2 had such success. This gen is the same as last gen just in reverse. The 360 came out first like the PS2 and the 360 has the better games like the PS2 did.

News flash Keither...Neither player is doing well right now. The High Def wars has not begun until the average consumers starts to adopt. Until then all of these numbers mean nothing. Also as stated below for the number of players out the Blu-Ray is actually selling quite horribly. If they get the holographic disc perfected anytime soon(probably wont) both formats will be in trouble. This war has not even begun yet. All it is right now is a crap slinging fest.

Likewise, we all remember your comments out HD-DVD winning the format war in North America, which turned out to be uttely false.

Did you manage to sell that Door Stop HD-DVD player in the end?

"HD-DVD Winning the European Race"
http://www.next-gen.biz/...mp;id=5168&Itemid=2

Do you get paid to spout BS Keith???

All you format war freaks need to relax...you can't declare ANYONE a winner when the combined formats own about .1% market share...it's so premature it's not even worth discussing.

Funny how market share did not matter when HD-DVD was winning.. LOL..

Again...it's great when people like you say "so and so WAS winning"...implying that so and so IS winning. .06% market share compared to .04% market share wouldn't even cause a blip on the radar...but if it helps you sleep better at night for some reason, then you can keep telling yourself "your team" is winning.

Who cares if there charging for extra content. If you like the game, then you'll probably like the downloads. They deserve to get compensated for the hard work of making the game [and extra content]. Don’t you like getting paid for working?

You don’t need HDMI. Most PS3 and Xbox games are 720p anyway. And if you really want 1080p you could just use the VGA cable like other people have already mentioned. Can you really tell the difference when you sit on the couch anyway when watching movies? You probably don’t even own a PS3, Xbox 360 w/HD-DVD, Blu-Ray player, HD-DVD player or a 1080p HDTV anyways to know.

“Where do 360 owners start queueing to get shafted by Microsoft? Seems they can't get enough...”

Ummm… Sony forces you to get Blu-Ray (the God of War creator doesn’t like that idea either), the Xbox 360 and PS3 both have basically the same games, Xbox has better online, I can download movies and shows, the PS3 has the least amount exclusives compared the 360 AND the Wii!, graphics are basically the same, Sony removed the Emotion Engine but charges more in Europe, developers are loosing there faith in the PS3 (games that used to be or was originally supposed to be PS3 exclusives that are now on Xbox 360; Devil May Cry 4, Unreal Tournament 2007, Assassins Creed, Virtual Fighter 4, Fatal Inertia, Grand Theft Auto 4 (now with exclusive episodic content on Xbox Live), Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War, Final Fantasy, Mercenaries and Metal Gear Solid 4 is Rumored), the Xbox 360 has more games available, and all this for $200 cheaper than the PS3 (or $350 cheaper if you get the Wii). Now who’s getting shafted?

I'd admit, that was pretty good.