RSSHas Xbox 360 Already Won the War?
By Ed Oswald | Published December 7, 2006, 1:01 PM
With Microsoft executives becoming ever more eager to tout the company's sales numbers of its Xbox 360 in public, and the dramatic success of games like Gears of War, has Redmond given itself such a head start that it will be near-impossible for Sony to catch up?
Twice in the past week, Microsoft officials have mentioned the magic 10 million number. It has significance, as in each of the previous video game generations, the first to that level ended up being the best selling console overall.
At a NASDAQ event in London, chief financial officer Chris Liddell reiterated Microsoft's forecast for 10 million consoles by the end of the Christmas season. This number has not only been mentioned by Liddell, but repeatedly by Gates, Ballmer and Xbox head Peter Moore as well.
Many analysts are cautioning that the company may be setting itself up for embarrassment and retaliation from shareholders if it fails to meet this goal. However, in an interview with Bloomberg, Moore upped the ante even more.
Asked by the news service whether the company was likely to beat that outlook, Moore agreed, saying the Thanksgiving weekend was a stellar one for Microsoft and Xbox.
Numbers obtained by BetaNews seem to back up Moore's claim. Sources say the company sold as many as 100,000 consoles per day in the period surrounding Thanksgiving weekend. Numbers were on the high end of expectations, according to the data.
Additionally, Microsoft was helped out by weaker than expected sales of both the Wii and PS3 during the same period, indicating that shoppers looking for a next-gen console may have been opting for Microsoft's entrant over others due to availability.
While the most recent data shows six million Xbox 360 consoles sold as of September 30, internal data indicates Microsoft may have sold more than eight million units as of the end of November.
Reaching the 10 million goal is just now a matter of sales: about a week ago the company shipped its ten millionth console. And from the looks of things, hitting the mark may not be that difficult.
Industry watchers are beginning to believe, too. "Microsoft's lead seems unbeatable now, fueled by a one year head start, the raging success of Gears of War as 2006's killer app, and most recently, a blitzkrieg of promotion for Halo 3, scheduled for 2007," GigaOM's Wagner James Au said.
Microsoft's Moore said the success of the Xbox 360 has much to do with its value proposition for the consumer. "Certainly the consumer is recognizing the fact that we have a great price point as well as 160 games available and that flies in the face of our competition," he told Bloomberg.
"It's not hard to be confident when you're the only show in town. Sure, PS3 and Wii have been released, but try to buy one. Short supplies mean sunny sales for Microsoft," remarked Microsoft Watch editor Joe Wilcox. "Also, Xbox 360 is HD ready at a time when HD TVs are hot items. Consumers can wait around for PS3 or Wii and likely not get one--or they could buy a Xbox 360 for their brand new HD plasma or LCD TV. Microsoft is right to boast about sales."
As the saying goes, the ball is now very much in Sony's court.
The 360 is the winner...hands down. i played the PS3 at walmart and it FROZE! so i got a 360 bundle...
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I was just on ebay and saw that the PS3 wasn't even in the top 10 search's. The Xbox 360 did though. Guess which number it was.
Here's the list:
1. elmo tmx
2. xbox 360
3. ipod
4. tickle me elmo
5. halloween
6. ipod nano
7. psp
8. louis vuitton
9. coach
10. halloween costumes
I'll give a linkage here too (although it may change later on). http://pulse.ebay.com/
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Microsoft needs to dummy up about the "10 million" number because there is no way they are going to sell through that number by the end of the year.
#'s sold to retail DON'T COUNT. That's the game Sony played for years. They are currently sitting at 7.8 million sold through to consumers which means they need to sell 2.2 million in December. That's 4 times the number they have sold in their best selling months.
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Have a nice watch xBots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8rjevi7JA&NR
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That was pretty sweet, I am into racing games & that will definitely be on the list.
Dave, I've got to hand it to you. This is the first link you have posted that actually makes sense and shows something exclusive to the PS3 that may silence some of the 360 fanatics.
Well done.
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?????
That game does look sweet, I'll buy it when it comes out.
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Tight, flatout 3 exclusive. I'll check the reviews before I go out and purchase though. Flatout had a good concept but playing it was a different story. Aside thats its exclusive, dont see whats here that the 360 cant do though.
EDIT: I got about 2 minutes of game play last night on this game. Its your standard racing game, thing is within 2 minutes the PS3 froze at best buy >_
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WOW! I wish my Xbox was that powerful to be able to play that game!!! I really want a PS3 now!
/Sarcasm
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Uhm Darkuni, Because Everyone whho has a Wii will already have one...Obviously a Fanboy...
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Listen everybody,
I know when I'm wrong and this is one of those times. As of today, I am declaring HD-DVD the big winner in the format war and the 360 the better console of the two.
You guys have been saying it all along but I wasn't listening. Sorry about all the pro-Sony remarks but I have to defend my employer.
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LMAO, thats awesome, I know thats not Marky but it still awesome.
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This was funny the first ten times.
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Is this sad copy-cat fanboy still posting? The depths some losers stoop to.. Bring back the real Mark Gillespie any day...
I suppose the theory this person has, is that by creating a duplicate Mark Gillespie, with a different opinion, this will confuse readers enough to muddy the waters about the crucial differences between XBox360/PS3 Blu-Ray/HD-DVD.
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He is making fun of you but you still dont get it... how awesome is that!?
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I appreciate the effort Steve, but I really don't need your help.
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LMAO
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Its uber cool
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Mark, you seem to be flip flopping lately, in one post it's all about how great your recent purchase of the 360 is and in the next post it's all Blu_Ray and PS3.
Gears of War will be available on the PS3, if you are running an XBOX360 emulator.
Insiders at Microsoft tell me 10 million consoles by the end of the year is going to happen.
I am still compiling the hundreds of videos showing catastrophic PS3 failures, it may balloon into thousands, which will take me more time to collect.
I found a great link where a PS3 caught fire and caused over $12,000 in damages when it was left on overnight unattended.
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"catastrophic PS3 failures", "PS3 caught fire and caused over $12,000 in damages"
lmao
http://shayri.net/index.php?showtopic=23567
what are you smoking Hollywood_?
do you work for MS?
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I'm laughing right now. I didn't know the story was fake. I'll find and even better story with more fire and bigger damages because of a PS3.
No, I don't work for MS, plus I've had a PS3 for weeks and just picked up a 360. I simply don't like Blu_Ray.
I think the PS3 is a nice system, the graphics on NBA 07 are excellent. I haven't had a lot of time to play and I also haven't taken the 360 or any of the add-on's I bought out of the box, maybe after the weekend.
I am here for one reason, and one reason only. To drive people like Mark and Dave insane and entertain people like plague, who like myself, don't take all this too seriously.
I am not a fan of Sony and I really don't like Microsoft all that much but what are you going to do if you want good gaming systems?
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good to see you don't take this too seriously.
:-)
i'm gonna laugh if neither hd-dvd or blu-ray catch on.
there's alot of dead formats out there:
digital cassette
laser disc
s-vhs
etc...
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You may be right, both formats may disappear if the prices of the players and movies don't come down.
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I have told people ever since the ps3 was announced to come out at the time it did that it was gonna suck because it was using so much new technology. All this technology has come together to give a very s***ty machine that will most likley have loads of problems in the future. 600$ is very pricy just for a Blue-ray disc reader... why did sony put this in the machine? In my opinon, I beleive sony is being run by a bunch of retards at the moment. A good strategy for Sony right now is to stop making playstations. Come out with something totaly new and inovative... like the the Wii. It obviously brought Nintendo out of the hole from the Gamecube. Even though this is gonna be a very big hole, losing around 200$ everytime they sale one PS3, they can still get back on the horse. Playstation, was a hit. Playstation 2 was a hit, but many people had problems with there PS2 , which also another reason why some people are holding out for the PS3. PS3 its a dud, it sucks big khaonas. The graphics suck, the price sucks, the games suck, and I have heard troubles about Framerate lag.
Now the Xbox 360 on the other hand is something that every person was looking for in next gen gaming. Better graphics, more processing power. The only problem the xbox 360 had in the begging was the frezzing problem, but they did fix it for FREE. Now that the 360 has been out for 1 year it is beggining to come out with some very creative and fun new games. I have also seen many stores giving out rebates and mark down prices. They one year head start gives the XBox 360 a very big advantage. It had no competition when it was released and microsoft was reporting that they have begun to gain profits from the 360 as well. This one year head start gives Microsoft the time to think of a new gaming console that will blow everyone out of the water.
The Wii is inovative and very unique. This is the characteristics that alot of gamers where looking for in the next console. The console overall is amazing and even though there is not many games out at the time, there will be great ones in the future. The games out right now are fun just because the game is very interactive with the motion sensitive controller. Zelda coming out with the release was a very smart idea as well. Overall Nintendo made a very smart recovery from the Gamecube and left PS3 in the dust.
My positioning in the console war,
1.Xbox 360 2.Wii 3.PS3
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The ps3 doesnt suck, its a great machine. The problem... The idiots that made it and their marketing team.
In reality neither of these consoles are going to fail. Its just likly the 360 will do better overal, especially since its praticly going global.
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Agreed. I think you summarized it perfectly.
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I agree and I think you could sum it up like this:
Would you prefer a Picaso original for $400 or a copy of it for $600?
PS3, pretty much is a copy of the 360, with bluray and the sixaxis controller. Graphics so far seem pretty equal between the two. And exclusive titles are really the only separation and for me personally, that's not enough.
Oh.. and with a picaso copy, its at least going to look exactly the same. With PS3, they didn't even copy well - online still isn't what it should be.
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but the playstation came before the xbox.
who's copying who?
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How many of us Gillespies are there?
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And what came before playstation?
Copying isn't bad, it just seems that nearly everything the PS3 has is a copy of what the 360 had a year ago.
How did Microsoft copy Sony with the 360?
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The PS3 may be a great machine for the users, but for the developers is a pain in the rear. Hell, even the 360 is a slight pain with the amount of multithreading we have to deal with. At least with the 360, I don't have to worry about separating out specific code for the SPUs and make sure that is synchronized with the rest of the stuff running on the CPU.
Regarding the "idiots" who made and marketed it, if only you knew what the original plan was. Had it not been for nVidia, the PS3 would seriously have been PS2.5.In the end, what we have is a Blu-ray player and "would have been" DVR that was desperately retro-fitted to be a next-gen videogame console.
I have no doubt that the 360 will win this time around. Those guys in M$ have hit the sweet spot with regards to price/performance ratio and will not stop until they beat Sony. Not only is the 360 very close to being profitable, it has a SKU without the hard drive, which will allow them to come up with a sub 200 dollar console 2 years down the road.
The only wildcard this time around is the Wii . It's really hard to tell if the Wii will be able to sustain it's novelty and continue to sell. Then again, we all know the DS story.
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Ive counted 2, plus the orginal
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It's like Agent Smith all over again... ;-)
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fernz33 needs to learn how to spell and check facts before bloviating. The actual XBox 360 site (www.xbox.com) and the experience of actual XBox 360 users clarifies the HD formats issue with a dose of reality.
XBox 360's lack of HDMI support notwithstanding, the console supports 720p, 1080i, AND 1080p gaming output over the component and VGA cables.
With the HD DVD drive, the console supports 1080i output over the component video cable and 1080p over the VGA cable.
HDMI is not a technical requirement for full bandwidth 1080p signal transfer. 1080p travels perfectly well (albeit with minor degradation as compared to digital) over analog component video cables. Rather, lack of 1080p component video support for HD content has to do with the motion picture industry's desire to impose copy protection (which HDMI affords while component doesn't). This is why XBox 360 complies with this constraint over component video connections for videos but not for games.
In case anything above was unclear: HDMI is not a requirement for either 720i/p or 1080i/p high definition signal transfer. HDMI simply looks marginally better and supports both signal copy protection and simultaneous digital audio transfer over a single digital connection. The XBox 360 will transfer full 1080p HD DVD video over the available VGA connection.
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Where are you getting these lies from?!?! Are you MS employee? Your statements are not correct. Lies!
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From a business perspective, that's fine and dandy. But for me, as the consumer, it doesn't mean that much. When funds permit, I plan to buy all next-gen consoles. I don't really care about the brand name; that is, Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo. As far as HD-DVD (and similar), well, they can stick them were the sun don't shine. Absolutely no investment return for me as the consumer. Look a the CD, now 20 years later, you can backup, rip, and play discs bought back in 1986. Try that with HD-DVD, a very bad business model.
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By this time next year when supplies are plentyful for wii, ps3, & 360, the ps3 will win ironically for the same reason that's hurting them now.. BLUE RAY.
MS's HD drive now is a joke. It can't produce the 720 ley alone the 1080 that most hd tv's have now because there is no hdmi cable hookup. No HDMI cable hook-up! What's the point?
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"It can't produce the 720 ley alone the 1080"
Then why am I watching my movies at 1080i?
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How many HD-DVD movies require HDMI? Let's count them, uh. Nope, none. Not a single one. Get off the crack pipe.
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plague is right, you don't need the HDMI for 1080i/p or 720i/p.......until the movie companies decide to disable the 1080i/p output over component with their little software flag.
Component can pass all HD signals and from what I have heard, the downscaled resolution when the flag is activated will still be higher than 720, which most people can't tell apart from 1080.
I still prefer the more natural, smoother look of component over HDMI. Remember, HDMI was not created to give you a better picture, it was created for copy protection.
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Dont fall for this "next generation of formats" junk. These new disk types are not worth it. Look at the difference between VHS and its succesor, the DVD; huge difference as the DVD had new playback options, special features, and surround sound. Now compare DVD to HDDVD/BluRay, the new ones are much clearer. Thats it, no new playback options, no new features, its just clear. It just isn't worth the money!
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Wonderful...
2 Marks.
Just what everyone wanted this holiday season, no?
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Yes, it's a little overwhelming.
Merry XMAS to all in BN.
(Especially all the XBOX supporters)
ps
SONY MUST DIE!
Mark.
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i got a wii, it's cheap...and fun!
http://video.google.com/...cid=2964751562925463883
i'll still buy a ps3 when supplies pick up.
most people i know who game are doing the same.
i know a few people with xbox 360's, most only play 1 game on it.
bash sony all you want for their lack of ps3 sales, but the race has just started, and MS has had an early lead.
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Apparently people aren't that excited anymore over the ps3
http://search.ebay.com/s...amp;submitSearch=Search
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This is due to a steady flow on new shipments to the US from last Friday. Pretty soon no one will be buying them online as they will be easily obtainable at local retailers.
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Umm... No they're not. I work at a major retailer and the shipments actually seem to be slowing down. We had 10 on launch, another 8 the next Friday, and now we finally got a couple more just yesterday. The number are not looking too hot and they're even worse if you want to count the ones we've had returned.
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I don't think you can speak for ALL major retailers can you? It may be a little slow in some parts but supply will slowly start to meet demand.
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You cant speak the other way around either. You have no basis for your claim, only assumption. And being that I still cant find them at best buy, I think hes right.
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This debate is pointless.. yes yes XBOX is in the lead... hooray. Sony kindly gave the XBOX a 1 YEAR head start. Now when Sony begins shipping the PS3 in earnest the XBOX market share will hit 10%.
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ummm....yes they are we get 30+ a week and they sell out as fast as we get them out.
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"Sony kindly gave the XBOX a 1 YEAR head start."
Mark, I realize that responding to you is pointless, but I can't help myself. Sony wasn't ready a year ago and still isn't. There was no kindness.
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Click the "Advanced Search" link and search completed auctions only. This gives a better idea of what they are really selling for. The average is about $800. Not that big a a deal. The 360 pulled more then that in the opening weeks.
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"This debate is pointless"
How convinient.
You start these debates by making assumptions. Dont make assumptions and there would be nothing to debate about.
Like I've said before, back up your claims.
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It's true. Sony is not ready now. They rushed out a system they shouldnt have because they couldnt give MS a 2 year head start. 200K units at launch is a joke.... but really, when all the bugs are fixed, PS3 is a far better system than 360.
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Do you own either one? just curious...
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"when all the bugs are fixed, PS3 is a far better system than 360"
I disagree.
http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1
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No, I dont.
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I was asking the person above who claimed PS3 is better than Xbox360
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"Sony kindly gave the XBOX a 1 YEAR head start."
Yes, Sony allowed Microsoft to attain 100% market share of the next-gen console sales out of the kindess of their hearts. Please. Do you even stop to think before you say these things?
"Now when Sony begins shipping the PS3 in earnest the XBOX market share will hit 10%."
Considering the XBOX is set to hit 10 million units sold very soon, Sony would have to sell 90 million PS3s in order to reduce their market share to 10%. That's not even taking the Wii into account. It is more likely that Sony will hold 10% of the market and the other 90% will be split between the 360 and Wii.
I mean, if you honestly believe there are tens of millions of people out there willing to pay $600 for a console, you need a serious reality check. While most of the Sony fanatics such as yourself would have gladly paid even more than that, the majority of consumers out there cannot afford such a luxury. No point to speculate though, let's just come back in a year and see where the PS3 stands. I would be very very surprised if they had much more than 10% market share. Very surprised indeed.
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Have you played a 360? Have you used Xbox live? Have you checked out all the other features? Have you seen how integrated xbox.com is?
I think anyone who thinks PS3 is better really hasn't experienced the 360 and all it has to offer.
I will admit I haven't gone into great depth into the PS3, but I know it still doesn't come close. And its online gaming is very far from competing.
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I own an XBOX 360.
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I've read them all with comments too, to get whole image. The first article is realy a biased joke, not backed by any prove (guy claims it develop for both x360 and ps3 and haven't seen ps3 network app), where second article is very good, although still little bit biased and selective about facts(read comments, few of them are work of art, and could be turned into real thing if combined well).
Overall i think Sony have screwed hardware a little bit, just to win DVD wars and get more BR players into people houses.
PS. Sorry for my english, its not my native language and i know my grammar and times selection sucks badly.
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I'm sold on the articles, fine if your not. What do you think about the photo comparisons though? For there to be a better look on the 360 at 720 vs the PS3 at 1080, i think thats saying something, no?
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i know you sony fanboys wont admit this, but take a long hard look at the tech inside both the ps3 and the 360, the graphics card in the 360 is next gen ATI where as sony is using last gen Nvidia, also the 360 uses its ram much much better...you do know what this mean?...the 360 is the graphics powerhouse, not the ps3, and before you start spouting CELL CELL, with all the bottlenecks that info must flow thru, even if is leaps and bounds beyond the triple core in the 360(witch, by the way, it is NOT, they rather more equal than you realize) developers cant fully utilize because of those bottlenecks, but hey, why let facts get in the way of the almighty sony ps3 NOT being what it promised...oh, and i want my 4d gaming sony where the he** is it!!!
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http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm
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Second that!!!
To plague: please stop with that article, have you read it ? Its realy a biased joke, made by some fanboy and not realy a console developer, there are some suspicious facts about it (read comments, to get some good info, if you haven't figured it out by yourself.
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Please present your biased issues
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Actually, I bought myself an X-BOX 360 last night and you know what! I'm sold! Its an absolutely awesome machine. I cannot believe I have been wasting my time fighting for the PS3 when I now realize that the XBOX 360 is simply the most wonderful games system on the planet right now. Sorry all for being such a silly fanboy!
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Your dubed a fanboy because you for some odd reason cant accept that something is better than Sony.
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What?! Are you serious? Did someone hack your account and type this? Something smells fishy
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Yes I am serious. I will also be purchasing a PS3 of course, but for the time being I'm enjoying the XBOX.
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YEah seems like someone hacked his account, maybe the Betanews admin, hehe.
And if hes serious, I hope he bough Gears. Its like playing goldeneye on the N64 for the very first time.
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It's NOT a hacked account, as logging on, I can't edit those posts, only my genuine posts.
EDIT: someone has created an account, with the similar display name as me.
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Mark my similarly strikingly good looking brother. Cut and paste my name into notepad.... and it will become clearer to you.
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pwnd!!1
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Yes everyone loves you now piss off and leave peoples names to themselves
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LOL, I love this guy.
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I can't believe you did that. I'm telling the proper authorities.
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Mark my similarly strikingly good looking unknown triplet.
What is going on here?
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Hey Devil. Please leave the good people at BN alone. We will not tolerate blasphemy.
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I will
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To the people bickering about those of us who bought multiple PS1's and PS2's, please don't be so ignorant. I know many people who went through as many as 3-6 consoles each. You don't seem to understand that when you buy a bunch of games for a console and the system itself breaks, you can't keep playing those games unless you get another console.
And yes, at that past time the PS was the only thing to get because there wasn't much else out there to compete with it, so most of the games went to the only major console out there. We have to admit, the Sega Saturn did give a lot of our hopes up. Although once N64 released it was definitely one of the greatest consoles ever. I actually knew a lot more people who owned N64 consoles, but they never, not once had to buy a second replacement and to THIS VERY DAY THEY STILL WORK 100% We still play Goldeneye 64 now and then. Definitely one of the best games of all time.
My point is, when you buy a bunch of games for a console and it consistently breaks down, we're not buying another one because we're stupid or we love the system. We're getting it because we love the games we spent a lot of money investing in. How would you feel spending up to $500 worth of a collection of games, knowing you can't play any of them anymore because the only thing that runs it crapped out? Well of course you're going to buy another console! There's little other option to it.
And yes, in that sence, I do agree that many of those PS2 sales are inflated. They should report the number of sales by CUSTOMER, and not by units sold.
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I bought my first PS2 like 2 years into the consoles life. It broke down and by then I had an xbox, so I stuck to my xbox. My brother on the other hand bought a replacement PS2, but since the first one broke we dont play much PS2 anymore, so its lasted a lot longer.
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I cant see how Microsoft can lose a system war with the PS3. I think Microsoft has it made there, the real competition will come from the Wii. I cant say anything on the Wii though, I'm definitely getting one as soon as I get my hands on one.
Any post about PS3 "going to win" are nothing but speculation at this point.
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So, first a misleading-at-best headline about PS3 sales "dropping," and now this?
Come on, Betanews. You're better than that.
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Ok i can now post the link officially.
NDP for november are in ladies and gents.
Less than 200k PS3 consoles were sold in the US in the month of november.
http://www.gamespot.com/...?tag=latestnews;title;1
Sales figures for all 3 consoles for the United States
PS3 197,000
Wii 467,000
360 511,000
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Nice, that should shut MArky right up.
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Nah, he'll just point out the sales figures worldwide, since these are only US sales.
I will hazard a guess that worldwide November sales prefer the Wii, but maybe I'm wrong :)
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The Wii, unfortunately, is being grouped with the uber systems when it has a completely different type of focus. This is why it will continue to sell. I still have not bought a 360, I'm waiting to get an HDTV first. PS3... ugh, what a mess. Maybe the next generation will be better since the 360 will be at the top and they will have to actually use some smarts.
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don't worry.
If you add in the world sales
PS3 looks even more horrible.
XBOX has always been on the bottom of line here in Japan, but after PS3's debut, uh it's beginning to look more promising. At least more than PS3 that is.
Whereas 70% of PS3s bought are by like Chinese or Korean people who sells them back in Korea or China.
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More crappy reporting from BetaNews, it's obvious to ANYONE that PS3 sales are not limited by demand, but supply.
Once Sony are pumping out PS3's to meet demand, watch that gap close, same for Blu-Ray.
PS3 is simply too much of a good deal for consumers to pass, it's got the Playstation brand that people recognise, it's got Blu-Ray, it's got the game franchises that people know. Whilst MS may have similar offerings, it's not the same.
Microsoft have been making hay, whilst the sun is shining, but things are about to change.
Whilst Marky may also rant on about Sony, most of the Microsoft fanboys here, including the Betanews editors are even worse..
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Actually it does! Thanks plague, you're the man!
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Nevermind that the 197,000 figure is the entire PS3 launch shipment.
Yeah, Sony's in deep trouble because their new product sold out immediately.
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(yawn)
http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm
http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1
http://digitalbattle.com...0/video-ps3-overheating
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm
http://www.gamesystemwars.com/index.cfm
http://www.nexgenwars.com/
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You have posted some persuasive arguments.
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LOL, whoever you are, thats great.
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And the hits keep on comming
November Sales US
PS3 197,000
Wii 476,000
360 511,000
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Hey plague,
I'm posting from Miami, just saw the news. I picked up a 360 with the HD-DVD and the new wireless racing wheel with PGR.
I'm coming back home tomorrow to break this bad boy open. You can add my purchase to the near ten million sold.
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Kudos
Did you grab Gears?
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Is the XBOX 360 on a pace to sell over 90 million in it's lifetime? At this rate it would take about 9 years?
uh, Sony PS2 has over 90 million sales, the PS1 had nearly that much.
I personally don't care which console wins, but you cannot count Sony out until they start ramping up production.
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I want to say my 2 cents, many of their 90 millions because PS/PS2 broke down all the time. Many people have to buy 2 or 3 replacements.
And as far as 360 vs ps3, I think they are more or less the same system. The WII is different.
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I'll take your two cents...
So what your saying is that the PS2 was so superior to the competition that people were willing to buy a second or even a third after the others broke just to keep playing...
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"Many people have to buy 2 or 3 replacements."
Here's my 2 cents, anyone that's stupid enough to buy 2 or 3 consoles because the first couple broke down is a ****ing retard and should be b**** slapped.
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No just the fanboys bought multile times.
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Even if they bought 2 or 3 what does that matter? people still paid money, and liked the system so much they were willing to do so repeatedly.
For the record, My PS2 stopped playing DVD's and I just left it on the curb. it was the last console I ever owned.
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In nearly 7 years... (March 2000 release)
It's possible. ;)
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I agreed completed. but I have a question for you, what are these people going when they have like 50 games sitting around? Just trashed the 50 games after the system broke down?
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That's nothing but Microsoft fanboy speak. PS1/PS2 are on the whole very reliable, don't forget there are 20 times more Playstions out there than Xboxes. From a naieve outsider, it may look like high failue rates, but it's not. If anything the Xbox was where the reliability issues were, they had consoles that caught fire with the Xbox and the red ring of death on the 360..
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well ya.. when the ps2 broke down people went out and bought another one, xbox on the other hand, didnt brake down nearly as much probably not even a 1/4 as much as the ps2, there for ofcorse there well be more ps2's out there... dosnt mean they are better, it just means there are more ps2's out there that are now oversized paperweights
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no.. people didnt want to sell there s***y games fore $2 at gamestop... there chepest alt was just to buy another ps2 th will brake down
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mine is a doorstop now.
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the one PS1 (not the slim one) console we bought as group buy in my army days (all members of my squad chipped in to get one) burned down after 6 day of usage. 6 days of 24/7 usage to be exact. yes we stressed it obviously but i still believe that it shouldn't have died just from usage.
notice! no input on other consoles, just trying to say that the original PS wasn't bullet proof at all based on my experience.
however for these 6 days the PS was the most guarded object in the base, LOL! in the our guard schedule entrie for PS appeared to divide the time equally between all of us just like it was done for the watch tower, main entrance gate and armory guard posts.
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I couldn't tell you, but I'm sure they spend a lot of time downloading and ripping those games from friends. LOL
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Both of my PS1s broke down.. only reason I didn't get a second replacement is the PS2 was reverse compatible (so it was both a replacement and a next-gen system). My PS2 still works perfectly, but my roommate's PS2 can't read about 50% of all game discs. And these failures are left to us to pay to replace.
My brother's XBOX died.. so he got a FREE replacement.. 3-4 times. That was a worse failure rate, but it cost him nothing except a game that got stuck in one of them when it was traded in and never returned. That's not extra sales listed under XBOX, and it's not extra money out of his pocket. As it shouldn't be.
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Priceless. I just came back from Best Buy ... at LEAST 150 Xbox 360s LITTER the floor - dusty from not moving. I even saw a table of PS3s on the way in (and more than half of them were still there when I left). Strange, not a single Wii to be had.
Let's say they really have SOLD 6 million - heck - even EIGHT million. It took them a year to do it. Let's say that all 4m of the Wii's sell before the end of the year; that's right - in a SINGLE month - and that's WITHOUT the killer app (which I have a feeling will be Star Wars Lightsaber Duels on the Wii). What does that say about how "Microsoft has won"?
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Are you kidding? Nintendo's killer app is Zelda: Twilight Princess. It's got rave reviews everywhere... best reviews of any game I've seen.
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Im still dying to play it :'(
MAybe next week.
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Sony lost this completely. The 360 & WII smokes the PS3 so bad. People who rushed to buy PS3 for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that's to resell it for a profit. Only true fanboys buy the PS3.
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I'm starting to think you are right.
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Rageweaver: You my friend, are an idiot! Sony give up and crumble? What a stupid thing to say.
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Your right, I'm completely sorry. Might I say
" You lost! Throw in the towel!"? If that is ok.
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XBOX 360 does not smoke PS3! The 2 are equal at this point. It is a great system with a 12 month headstart. As the years go by and game developers learn both systems and both companies start turning profit off of the systems, that's when we will find out the winner.
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Not equal
http://www.hardcoreware....eviews/review-348-1.htm
http://www.joystiq.com/2...xbox-360-vs-ps3-screens
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/...al/story/35372/?spage=1
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Pfft. Sony is done. *Waves a finger* "Learn your lesson Sony, and learn it fast!" That's what I think. I mean really! How high must you price an item to TRY to compete with a cheaper one?? Those people across the ocean don't know when to give up and crumble...
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YES XBOX360 HAS A MAJOR EARLY LEAD.
...this is because the XBOX360 smokes the comp.
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Has Xbox 360 Already Won the War?
No.
That was easy.
Next!
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Anyone mind if I draw parallels between this arguement and the war in Iraq?
You can't declare a winner until the battle is over.
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Anyone mind...
Yes.
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War? Don't you mean illegal occupation? Nuf said.
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Uh oh, where is our good friend Mark? Just wait until he reads this one.
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"Uh oh, where is our good friend Mark? Just wait until he reads this one."
Don't worry...He'll be here lol.
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Yep here I am, sorry timezones dude... I live on Uranus and the sun isn't shining here yet. XBOX is actually a great machine. I bought one the other day. I've given up on waiting for those faulty PS3's and those blue diodes are hard to come buy.
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YEY!! not...
Dont worry though, I'll get my PS3 in 2008 with GT5.
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Of course you will. Everyone wants a PS3. Period.
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Like I've stated before. I have no interest on the PS3 right now. I will get it for GT5 though, which shouldve been sooner but they canceled GT-HD.
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No I won't. I don't want one. Period.
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I tried so hard to get a PS3 but came up short. I told myself I would never get a 360. I am a Playstation girl NOT an xbox girl. Gears of War changed that for me. I got a 360 with Gears of War.... I LOVE THIS GAME... and this system is pretty cool! It is up to Sony now to win me back. Price drop, availability, bug fixes, better customer services with my PSP problems! It is still early, but 360 is way in the lead!
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What's your gamertag? ;)
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I've convinced 3 friends to buy a 360 just because of Gears of WAr.
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This is just an eye-catcher title...really nothing to see/debate here. PS3 and Nintendo Wii fans: nothing really to see here :)
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well, i havent been a sony fan since my second PS2 broke... went to game stop to check out the ps3 and what do you know.. it was borken...
soi cant do much judging about the ps3 at this point, i am sure its nice, but i will stick with xbox, any problems i have had wit xbox were delt with from ms vary swiftly, they erned me as a customer.
and frankly, i dont care who wins this war, infact the better the compitiotion, the better the product... hopefuly
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I've got a 360 and I'm extremely pleased with it. I recommend it to everyone (and no, I'm not in love with Microsoft). I'm still going to buy a Wii (when I can find one) because the technology is awesome. I truly believe Sony shot them self in the foot with their late release and the number of problem the PS3 has had coming out of the gate.
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Wait a year, then compare sales, in my opinion. By then both Sony and Nintendo's fabrication lines will be up to Microsoft's current par - a head start, while nice, is still just a head start. When you're comparing distance run (# of consoles sold), it's less of a big deal. (though more so than in a running allegory)
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I was going to get an Xbox 360, but not after reading the following post in the Xbox forums. I'll wait.
http://forums.xbox.com/1...8/ShowPost.aspx#8706728
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most of the people affected by this problem bought their xbox around the first sevral months, i had it and had to send in the 360, they just replaced my xbox for free besides shipping, now no problems... so far atleast, i havent heard of anyone that has bought one lately having any issues with the patch
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...ditto here. Had the same thing happened to me. Sent it out, got it back less than a week later. I was an early adopter also. All my friends who have one have no problems either. I am by no means a MS "fanboy", but you just can't beat how easy it is to not only find one but get online and play in a matter of seconds.
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Atleast those people will have no hassle to get their systems replaced. I stay off xbox live, but I did get the 3 rings of death, 1.5 weeks later I got a brand new 360.
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i bought mine the 1st day and have yet to have a issue with it. four people from work have been holding out for the ps3 and the hype but saw gow on my 360 and bought a xbox360 this week.
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well if your an idiot you may have to read the manual to find out how to plug it in.... that takes at least a minute.
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I got my 360 on the launch date last year and not had a single problem with it!
The cases of breakages etc are few and far between, but seem inflamed on internet circles!
The 360 has a 10 million head start on PS3, even if PS3 does amazingly its lost a huge market share!
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An exellent, unbaised point on this forum; thank you.
I own a 360 and hope for it has a bit more success than the original Xbox, but the intial sales of these consoles mean nothing in the long run; by the end of 2007 the consoles will all have their big guns out, and we will see the trends that will define the future of these sytems and the gaming market in general.
All the talk on the forums is just speculation and subjective (emotion based) reasoning. Lets wait a least a year before we zerox the web with uniformed opinions.
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http://nexgenwars.com/
Even if they numbers aren't exact, and rounding up, its more like 9 millions. Right now Wii is going nice up and big N is getting profit from it at start but they could rather make it more powerful so it could be more time proof like other consoles.
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