High-def over IPTV: How fast, and how soon?

By Jacqueline Emigh | Published November 15, 2007, 6:08 PM

Amid a frenzy of pre-CES activities in New York City this week, chipmaker DS2 drew more than a bit of attention to itself by demoing new technology for delivering 400 Mbps video to home networks.

But with competing technologies also clamoring to bring video to your living room, kitchen, and elsewhere in your home at much higher speeds - for actual HDTV display - why would you want to buy a box from NetGear or D-Link based on DS2's silicon?

At a well attended press conference in Manhattan one morning this week, as well as a crowded pre-CES press expo later that day, DS2 officials indicated that their play in the video delivery market is based on a mix of economics and ease of use.

Jorge Blasco, Ph.D., DS2's president and CEO, admitted that network and home video equipment utilizing DS2's 400 Mbps chips won't be delivering video at HDTV-capable rates in the near future - although, as he rightly pointed out, opinions differ over how much bandwidth HDTV really requires. But Blasco also vowed that DS2 will ultimately raise its speeds enough to throw itself into the HDTV ring.

Meanwhile, the 400 Mbps technology due out next spring will be twice as fast as DS2's existing 200 Mbps chips, according to Blasco. Officials also maintained that, by means of a series of innovations which make better use of existing bandwidth, DS2's 200 Mbps chips bring much higher throughput than competing silicon from vendors such as AMD.

British Telecom (BT), for example, is already using DS2's 200 Mbps silicon to deliver video over ADSL to UK customers, according to the CEO. Other European customers of Spanish-based DS2 include Telefonica, Telecom Portugual, and Scandinavian-based Telia Sonera, to name a few. Some of the European service providers are getting set for trials of DS2's new 400 Mbps alternative.

Meanwhile, at least one large telecom provider in the US will soon start testing DS2's 200 Mbps technology on this continent, according to BegoƱa Sachez Esquibel, a customer support engineer at DS2.

Moreover, for home networking, the wired (as opposed to wireless) DS2 technology affords much more consistent data rates than 802.11n Wi-Fi, for instance, Blasco contended.

The powerline alternative

European service providers are primarily using DS2 in conjunction with a type of cabling dubbed powerline. For the benefit of US customers, DS2 plans to make its 400 Mbps technology available on coax, a variety of wiring which is both relatively inexpensive and quite ubiquitous throughout North America.

The DS2 chips provide for video delivery only, relying on network service providers to compress the video with the use of codecs, according to Biasco. DS2 officials maintained that video delivery speeds will get a huge boost when more suppliers adopt MPEG-4 in place of MPEG-2 compression.

DS2's video delivery technology is already being used, in some form or another, in hardware from manufacturers that include NetGear, D-Link, Comtrend, Buffalo, and others.

Yet even terms such as "200 Mbps" and "400 Mbps" can be misleading. Using DS2's technology, throughput for a 200 Mbps connection is considerably lower, officials admitted. Further, when multiple devices are attached to the home network, the throughput available for use by each device can drop a lot.

Pre-gauging the consumer uptake for HD wiring

Meanwhile, several other vendors used this week's pre-CES press shindig in New York - an event held annually about two months before the real CES event in Las Vegas each January - to talk up products touted as already fully capable of supporting HDTV resolution.

Beyond increasingly common HDTV hardware such as TV sets and video displays, now available from so many vendors, Optoma previewed a video projector, designed to support high-end 1080P HDTV video, Optimum will officially announce the new projector - which will carry pricing of $2,599 - at CES in Las Vegas, said Nancy Beckmann, Optoma's East Coast retail sales manager.

At the other end of the hall, a company known as HDMI Licensing, LLC discussed the pros and cons of HDMI wiring. Complying with the HDMI digital interface standard, HDMI wiring reportedly supports transmission speeds of up to 6 Gbps.

These days, just about all new HDTV devices come with inputs for HDMI, as well as for coax and other types of wiring, said Steve Venuti, HDMI Licensing's vice president of marketing. But Venuti told BetaNews that many consumers remain confused over exactly what to do with those jacks in the back.

On the down side, however, HDMI wiring only works well over distances of about 50 feet, according to Venuti. Venuti added that he knows of no such distance limitation for coax. Also, to get the full benefits of HDMI, you'll need a reliable high-speed transport coming in on the service provider end. Interoperability among various devices won't hurt a bit, either.

Not entirely coincidentally it seems, also at CES, HDMI Licensing partner Simplay Labs LLC plans to announce a series of educational and interoperability program offerings around HDMI, said Debbie Bruce, Simplay's marketing program manager.

But to help ease implementation of video over ADSL for customers, while keeping costs down, British Telecom is offering a package that includes DS2-enabled hardware, all necessary wiring, and a picture-intensive self-help manual to its customers in the UK, according to Blasco.

Home customers can install the home video equipment for the equivalent in UK pounds of about $60 USD. In contrast, UK customers that want to get a BT technician to their homes shell out the equivalent of around $200 USD, he said.

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I wonder if this is like MOCA which is what Verizon uses for the in home part of Fios? Moca has a 250mbps bandwidth (assuming the cabling is intact). AT and T Uverse uses Hpna in the home which is similiar

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I believe it's Jorge Blasco, not Jorge Biasco (the second letter of his last name is an "l" not an "i"). Please check it.
And I'm also suspecting that in the case of the customer support engineer, her name is most probably Begoña and not Begona .... :)
Welcome to the world of 8-bit characters, Jacqueline .... :D

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That might have gotten skewed up in editing, but thanks for bringing it to our attention, Second Shadow. Fixed.

-SF3

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There is not a need for this!! Not on IPV4. Maybe for internet 2 I can see it happening, IPV6 would be better suited for it in all factors. However for practical means, there is no marketable reason to have High Definition over IP. Satellite ok, so it goes out though DISH and Cable networks (not true HD but whatever) But if the people want the Highest quality format they get the HDDVD or Bluray discs to own.

My personal preference its the entire HD concept just die already. I may have a TV for it, but I upscale what I want. That should be enough IMHO. all this other jazz with all their restrictions and such, I just don't want anything to do with it. HD DRM restriction over air will go active eventually. thus removing what little fair use consumers have for that content already.

BR is bad enough with their older machine craping out ALREADY with new generation Discs that have firmware requirements that are incompatible, and in some cases not working right for older movies now.

The entire concept of IPTV was as an alternative for time s***ing from broadcast. Miss a show, go watch it online. Problem solved... Want to KEEP the show get the DVD or buy it online as a download. (Or Torrent the bas**** and get it illegally till the DVD comes out, which happens to be the most popular solution)Either way DIVX codecs or Xvid even look fine at the 350mb per hour scale... better then standard TV but not up to HD quality. I think thats a standard the industry would be happy with. and should stay happy with... Want better, go get the DVDs.

I mean look at Hulu. I would say thats the best there is in streaming technology. No waiting for it to download not buffering for 5 mins before the program starts, and no freezing up in the middle for the cache to catch up... The codec is mpeg4 naturally, and its streamed through embedding tools to any webpage you so choose. Even ones that are not stored online...

You start the stream and it just works. go full screen and its still works. quality is as good as you get on a standard Television. If you want to purchase the download to KEEP a link appears at the end of the stream to save the file on your computer for some $$ saved commercial free. Approx 350 MB for TV shows, and 780mb for Movies. (must be played again through a Hulu SWF player however.) Not an iPod or Archos Yet... So yea that part sucks... BUT the technology is sound and just works... Pick a show give it a click and your programing begins on demand. No waiting required...

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First of all....there is no internet 2.

Secondly....There are too many people on dial-up and low grade DSL lines for this. This is not even to mention that no ISP out there is going to supply a 400mbps line to anyone without consulting the AA's for their DRM first.

Thirdly....Ultimately, I agree with you.

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"First of all....there is no internet 2."

Don't be so sure about that.
http://www.internet2.edu/

"More than 200 universities, 70 private companies, 45 government agencies, and 45 international organizations log on to Internet2 every day."

From http://slate.com/id/2120440/

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The internet is getting better. I'll give you that. But, getting better does not in and of itself mean something new.

"Like the commodity Internet, Internet2 comprises servers, routers, switches, and computers that are all connected together. Routers decide which way to send information, and servers handle Web site requests and store information for retrieval. What makes Internet2 so different is that it has many fewer users and much faster connections."

Ok, so things are getting bigger and faster. Alright. So what's so new about that? That is exactly what has been happening with computer technology from day one. I expect this. But, this does not mean anything new. Just bigger and faster. You can't look at the evolution of 386 processors to quad core without seeing this. I submit to you that there is nothing about internet 2 that means anything. It's all the same thing...just bigger and faster....but of course.

The only thing that exists that might be considered internet two is IPV6. Likely not even that.

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ok, you aren't understanding what the "Internet2" is. It is a separate network that mostly universities, large corps, and government facilities connect to. It is not connected to the internet you are reading this on.

It isn't like "Web 2.0".

http://www.google.com/se...ews.com+%22internet2%22

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