Seriously. 300gb+ you say? Insane. :)

YES!

One step closer to holodeck technology, i can get laid every night then ;)

The next step is Harddrives that will encode data in this manner... meaning our Harddrives will be able to hold Terabytes instead of Gigbytes. If the DVD's are going to be able to do this than I see Harddrives doing it as well.

I personally do have 100's of Gigabytes of CD/DVD's, I do lots of backups and everytime I leave the yard they are with me, copy after copy after copy... wow 2 CD's instead of hundreds!!!! yeah haw... I like it!

I will certainly be looking forward to purchasing one of these suckers.

It should be known that these devices don't work like ordinary disk drives, the disk doesn't constantly spin. The disk seeks to a location and adjusts the lenses and mirrors to read that location. Adjusting the mirros positions and angles to keep focused on a location as they move around the location changing the angle exposes more of the data stored at that 3d location. What they failed to mention was the size of this device, it's not small. So don't expect to see this on a laptop anytime soon.

if i got one of these drives, i'd never encode another mp3 again :P

Finally, my collection of nude photography will have a home! But 1.6Tb is just a start I hope.

Maxell misses the mark, and then some.

http://www.nanotech-now....news.cgi?story_id=12682

Someday our kids will be reading about these in old copies of PC Magazine and laughing at us. A measly 300GB per disc, lol.

This is just stupid. 300gb discs?? What if you scratch one - you're stuffed. What a stupid idea. Yes I know it's in a case but name me just one single form of storage that came in case that was actually successful. (And a cassette tape is different because it was flexible - so don't get smart). People don't usually like things in a case. I guess the only exception would be a floppy disc maybe. And anyway even if it is in a case, things still get damaged in a case. But these huge storage devices are getting ridiculous now I feel.

No, what would be stupid is having just one copy of a backup. Keep at least two copies and you won't have to worry. Which would you rather do, back up your 300GB of data to one disc or to nearly 70 DVDs? Which with one backup of each would be 140 of them. Think about it.

Well if you've got 300gb+ of data then good on you. [shrugs]

If you don't you obviously don't need these. By the time these are out and affordable you may though. :)

Well I'd say I may have in excess of 130gb but I'm not sure I'd want all that on one disc. Maybe a 30gb disc but certainly not 300gb - it's just daft. Imagine trying to wade through all the files you'd have on a 300gb disc - nightmare.

EDIT:
Ahh yes - porn. lol

"This is just stupid. 300gb discs?? What if you scratch one - you're stuffed"

If you watch the video's, they're in a case similar to that of a 3 1/2 floppy.
Also if it were to be damaged, Holographic data is easly recovered.

I don't think so.

Aires, please don't forget, that using holography, the information is recording in 3 dimentions if a volume of stuff. scratches you can make only on a plane of it you can to "see over it" and to recover the most of scratched information. Your sayd "case" can became to minimal. You can to divide holographic disk twice and full recover carried data from one of halves.

yes, it so

The sad thing is Windows Vista will still need two disc. :)

or One DVD only (2.5 of setup)

well
technology goes faster and more advance everyday
i can't wait till this Holograhic DVD to release to the market
i can't wait for Holographic TV also :D

I've been waiting for these things for 6 years now. Looks like the wait is almost up.

W00T at Star Wars technology.

I watched the video's on their website. My critisizim of this new product is done. The disks are in a case which helps prevent scratching, the equipment looks very capable and legit...all i can say is this..

Impressed.

But I do not think this will replace DVDs, Tape Drives yes, but not digital media. I still belive Blu-Ray is the next gen DVD. Look at this picture taken at the IFA Conference.

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/ifa2005/bda_06.jpg

those are all the companies contributing to Blu-ray as the next gen DVD

That is all well and good.

But do you know who is missing from that list?

Look very closely!

It's the consumer!

The consumer can and will decide this market, not the companies. If the consumer isn't satisfied, they can and will skip formats, maybe both of these formats.

From the sound of things, these technologies are risking outdating themselves just by virtue of they are fighting with themselves so much that they are ignoring third parties coming online...

"I do not think this will replace DVDs, Tape Drives yes, but not digital media."

And lord knows a tape replacement is LONG overdue. Many home users are now routinely storing video footage, music etc on their drives, but yet there is no domestic backup solution able to cope with such file sizes.

Tape drives that can hold a typical hard drive (of say a few hundred GBs) cost several thousand pounds.

Hopefully this technology will provide a more affordable and reliable solution for backup / archiving.

I'm a consumer and I've already decided on HD-DVD. I want nothing to do with anything Sony touches.

Remember what people said about CD 10-15 years ago, and now we relaxible watching DVDs (and DTVs) and don't think long on it.

In Russia consumers is Ready to use so GIANT cappacities to store illegal copies of program products and sale it in price from $1 of disc.

Pirate disc you can openly buy in every kind of shop no spesial.

We are READY!!!

You should really checkout the link to the InPhase website. They have a informative demo movie that answers a lot of the questions posted here.

I wish i had USENET MEMBERSHIP, Im TOOOOO BROKE, TOOL, you got any membership to usenet to give away? PLZ

Maxell would do well to remember the first law of storage: No matter how much space there is, the next version of QUAKE will fill it ;-)

Who cares about Quake, Half-Life series is where it's at.

WinBeta.org have more information

http://www.winbeta.org/c...php?id=3656&catid=1

For those how want to know if this is real, more information. Lets dream about it and hope when it get here it is a a price we can get it.
http://news.com.com/Maxe...g=5973868&subj=news

a few Quick questions, may seem dumb, but at the same time very legit...

1. How much is this equipment going to cost to run these disks??

2. Is this reailty? or just some sadistic dream...

3. How long will it take the equipment to seek through 1.6TB of data to find 1 file in this day and age of computing??

Just a few questions for everyone to think about or bash me about lol

Shut up. You sound like someone who has been hunting with a bow and arrows your whole life and have just been told that some people on some other island hunt with rifles. As knowledge of this cutting-edge new technology spreads, people will investigate it and certainly new methods of production will be developed. As the technology becomes more common, new methods to search through it for files, and newer data transfer mechanisms will be developed. And if nothing else, Im sure it will be a valuable method of data storage for quantum computers, at least until something better comes along.

I remember how in 2001 people were discussing making digital discs that utilize 400nm and smaller wavelengths of light to access data. Surely the discs were too difficult and too expensive to make...Who needs discs that can store 30 GB of data on a single disc anyway...

you know what...You just proved that your an idiot...Did you answer any of those questions? no...

I asked for answers for those 3 questions, not some smart a** remark...

1) No idea.
2) In the past it was a dream. It could fall through again, or it could make it.
3) They'll probably make some space-abusing FileSystem for the disks that is a massive 100mb index of all the files. That doesn't seem too big, and at the speed of these things that won't take long at all to access.

Hmmm, I could make some guesses about something I know nothing, or write some general statements about how technological development works. If you read more and commented less, you might actually learn something. Maybe you should take a course in reading comprehension instead of reading betanews.

Thanks for your opinion :)

I think this technology will be used in HDDs, the industry will never allow this abomination to be released...Plus, who the hell is gonna spend that kind of money on ONE CD? I hope it's scratch proof!!!

A 300GB CD is usless...It'll be hard to use an entire Dual Layer BD-Rom to back up Data, 50GB on one disc is enough.

Magnetic holographs? Is that even possible?

Doubtful...But they would probably integrate the same Lazer technology into the HDD, make it a single re-write disk in an enclosure maybe? it's possible...

But look, Lowest Price 300GB HDD, Maxtor 300GB SATA-150. $112 on Pricewatch, and this is old technology mind you. So what is this 300GB Disk gonna cost?

small/medium businesses have a sore need for small, removeable, fast media. We backup 50-several terabytes a NIGHT, and Tape really sucks.

Loss of a single $100 disk is nothing, compraed to the size savings, and write performance savings we'd see with a tech like this.

50-several terabytes a NIGHT!!!!!!

is your company by any chance a p2p company, tell me if you got a high speed dc hub, and reg me.... i think i got a decent share, and connection,.

if not, disgard what ive just mentioned as fiction, and how dose a small/medium businesses get 50-several terabytes a NIGHT of data, if its not movies and dvds

Who? Corporations looking to make their backups cheaper, faster, and more realiable, for one...

Our server contains, as of right now, ~80GB of data. The HD-DVD ain't gonna cut it. CDs and DVDs sure as hell ain't gonna even come close.

Right now? RAID and tapes. It's expensive as hell, and a major PITA to say the least.

300GB Discs is the perfect solution. Daily differential, weekly full with verification, onsite and off-site copies.

Done and done.

50 Terabytes a night sounds more like a usenet provider to me. :P

Work for Giganews, man?

Once they start mass-producing, or at launch?

Good point, But just because it's faster than Tape, does that nessicarilly mean it's better? I would never back up crucial data to a CD anyways. I don't trust CDs for crucial data because they are easily destroyed.

But if they turn out to be better than tape backup, then I'm all for it.

I don't know, it's just a guess on how this technology could be used as a HDD, If they put these disk's in a mobile enclosure, the would be worth the buy!

Depends on their definition of Hologram and how the data is accessed.

If it's a true hologram, scratches, even dents, shouldn't affect it.

Sounds too good to be true, man.

Can you say 1.6TB portable USB MP3 Player?

it allways sounds to good to be true...lol

Wow....Hopfully HD-Music will be out by then so it can even be utilized lol

alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1960
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1980
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1990
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.2000

That should about cover it.

aaaahaha The RIAA and the MPAA are really gonna love this one

Come to think of it, this'd be a greta storage medium for the usenet...imagine the retention...

yeah, they could sell 10 of their 160GB SCSI's for $400 a peice, and buy one of these disk for $100...lol

*These prices are estamated...don't attack me betanews ppl...*

prices? attack? Calm down, man, you're not at Walmart.

Yeah, and who needs more than 640KB of memory in their PC?

lol. I think he's talking about flamers getting mad at him for using possibly inaccurate numbers. It wouldn't be the first time.

lol exactly

Law firm, 7 offices, West coast rim of Pacific. By no means are we a large law firm, either. That amount includes images of all workstations. We have a 4 hour downtime policy for any workstation and 2 hour for any server.

Actually, from what I read a couple years back when the technology was first developed, you can destroy like half the disc and not lose any data. The article said something about holographic storage being like animal cells, in that it doesn't matter how many cells you destroy, each cell contains a complete copy of the DNA. Supposedly it's like that.

lol, nobody said anything about magnetism.

Makes my personal 2 Terrabytes seem worthless...

Don't trust it much... especially the whole part with no scratches. It's still physically there.

hmm, coool, but.

1. i dont trust myself storing all my data on 1 disc, 1 scratch = all data lost.
2. hd dvd & BR companies, will be against this,
3. if they do allow this, theyll be sure its sold expensive, with massive taxes.

IMO, they should put more development into hard-discs, to improve capacity, to lets say 2 TB, would fit most of my files then:)

also, memory cards need more development, i want my mobile to have a few hundred gigs for my mp3s.

so this whole thing with developing dvds is pointless, and bad for the enviroment! not like you can reuse those things, and hardly anyone uses RWs anyway, they get scratched too!

"1 scratch = all data lost."

Not sure about that.

From what I've read, holograms by nature are redundant. Cover up one "projector", and the image as a whole gets dimmer, but does not lose any of itself.

Could be way the hell off on that. They might be using the word "hologram" in this case to describe something only closely resembling it.

"i dont trust myself storing all my data on 1 disc"

That's why anyone smart keeps more than one copy of a backup, no matter whether it's a hard drive, CD-R, tape or a Star Trek holographic memory rod. It would be far far cheaper to have two copies on this new format than over 140 copies on DVD, easier to store, and safer for your data.

That is freaking sweet.

One question:
Will I have to sell my car to afford them?

If you want to be an early adopter, probably.

:P

Didja spend $400 on a 360?

"Didja spend $400 on a 360?"

No way. I'm waiting at least until the PS3 is released. I think that should prompt a price-drop on the XBOX 360. =)

If it's truly holographic then each bit of info would be wholly retrievable from every other little bit of info... which would mean unbeatable data access times... and lot's of other cool stuff... my brain is about to explode... somehow I doubt it's truly holographic in this way though.

Hence my doubts regarding the "scratch" comments....scratches, unless completely making the surface non-translucent(?), would not affect the data at all...

Again, I don't think "Holographic" means what they think it means, but...

I'm still waiting for the day when data is stored in little holographic cubes like in Virtuosity. Looks like its getting there.

or in your finger--lol a THUMB drive :)

I want, I want! :D

How reliable?

And I want a HDD that can hold that much, not a DVD :P

true, discs scratch:(
holographic HDD's would be so cooool.

But would a scratch really matter? If it's truley holographic...?

It would if it distorts the light beam. Maybe they can implement some kind of angled reading algorithim so if there's a scratch it can read it from a 45 degree angle and scratches no longer have any effect. :P

I didn't mean reliable like that, I meant... how fast? How afordable (both money and power and processing cycles)...

But yes, holographic HDD, providing it is fast enough and affordable, would be cool

From what I understand these have cartridges. I use DVD-RAM carts for backups myself and you'd have to be a real bonehead to manage to scratch one. Unless you routinly throw them at the wall or stomp on them there shouldn't be a problem.

"A single disc could hold a dozen high-definition movies at better quality than the currently proposed next-generation DVD formats"

I doubt the movie industry is excited about that one.....

LOL no kidding :) I'm sure MPAA and RIAA are upset over this too...now you can steal 12 movies on one disc!

"..now you can STEAL 12 movies on one disc!"

noo nooo..... just BACKUP (from dvd rental place:) ..... and distribute to every1....

or....12 movies.... how many mp3s is that on 1.6 TB????

:)

Jesus...I don't even wanna count!! lol I doubt this will ever go into production...The MPAA and the RIAA won't allow it for the use of movie's or music...

"MPAA and the RIAA won't allow it for the use of movie's or music..."

since when do WAREZ need their permition:)

if it comes into production it will be used.

Remember now that the initial size discs will only be 300GB...that's still a monster, though.

No kidding. 300GB is larger than any HD I own. I need more space though...

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On average, 355,555 Songs, that is based on an average 4.5 mb per song. Sure beats the 66,666 im getting on my 300 gig drive.

This sounds exactly like the technology called, FMD or Flourescent Multilayer Disc. It was being done by a company called, Contellation 3D back in 1999 and after the tech bubble collapsed, the company folded. If you google on FMD, you will find bits and pieces on it. It was a translucent disc which could hold over 1TB of data. Was faster than any HD in both read and writing..

I was wondering about that! I was fixing to comment about something along those lines when I read your comment. So does that mean these discs will be made of glass? What material?

read bout that too,

All I can say is "WOW", now where can I get one[reasonably priced, that is]. You could Image 3 chock full 80gb hdd's + 1 60gb hdd on one disk[300mb's] 8-0 8-)

I hope this one actually comes out because I've been hearing about holographic storage for a very long time. Here's one from last year:
http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm

Here's one from ## years ago:

http://colossalstorage.net/

HOLY COW!! That's all I can say... very impressive.

Wow. What was that about HD-DVD being the last disc format again, Bill?

The real questions come down to price and power consumption--"This technique would ultimately allow a single disc to hold up to 1.6 terabytes of data read at 160 megabits per second -- 340 times the capacity and 20 times the data rate of traditional DVDs, and more than twice the data rate of Blu-ray and HD DVD with more than fifteen times the space."

That can't be cheap (lol, maybe cheaper than Blu-Ray :), and it would almost definately require more power. It would seem to temporarily solve the whole copy protection vs. usability concerns though; it is already holographic.

wow ..excellent nowadays virtual storage is a thing of the past, hopefully with all this technology on "DVD's " will give us the convenience to store every important file in one single disk..this is really convenient :P

Lt. Commander Barkley is gonna be really happy.

lmao...

Time to start building that Holo-deck.

hmmm! start building that Holo-deck!! there is a great idea :)