I tried it and at first was very happy but them sometimes when i go to a page and then try to use the back button it dont wanna go back to the previous page....Also every now and then it wants to crash on me . I went to the old version. Guess i like old better....lol

Great browser, a bit buggy, that's ok though it's a Beta release. But next gen? No I wouldn't say that

Venter med spenning til beta 3 kommer vist det da ikke blir ferdig versjonsom kommer først da.
Alle som liker IE6 vil like denne bedre, og har flere valg i IE7.
Kan anbefales, men husk det er en beta.

Terumo

Seems to be 'kewl' to pick on Internet Explorer and while i'm not a big fan of IE6, IE7 is such a bold step in the RIGHT direction. It's sad when I read comments on here and notice people don't have anything more to say other than 'WOW THIS TEH SEXX0RZ, FF is hawt, yeah..w00t'. Yeah, it's exaggerated, but I bet almost every Betanews staff member who has sifted through these comments has shook their head at least once due to the biggotry and ignorance of some of the readers.

IE7 is great, it's going to put Mozilla on their toes, and perhaps fix a few things that bother me to DEATH. Which is 'increase SPEED' because IE7 is hellah fast, and I feel like i'm driving a Viper when surfing on this thing.

when Mozilla puts out Firefox 3.0 with a retuned gecko engine, then I might see IE7 matched (we're not including Opera on this). But for now, Mozilla is all about customization, and that is why i'll always embrace Firefox as well.

Overall, I think it's a step in the right direction. I am no entirely sure about the new menu. For a Beta, it is pretty stable, but compatibility is not quite there yet. Quote: 6.8/10.

IE7 had a lot of hype. I, like most people, hoped that they would fix the problems. You know what we get? They completely screwed up the interface to make it look like something new in order to mask the fact that it's not. It's CSS support still leaves much to be desired. It is essentially an IE6 with tabs.

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ok ,so what we on about in 1e7, /...ie6,has more to offer,,so what m.s/someone closed the door before they started to think come on you can do better than this,liesten to the people of the world

This is still a piece of crap program. I can't belive I gave M$ another shot..

"This is still a piece of crap program. I can't belive I gave M$ another shot.."
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For Pete's sake, it's still beta. Don't like it? Don't use it and move on.

MSHTML.DLL Crashes, IE7 and Google Desktop:

Disable index web history in Google desktop search.

Read here:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/...e/2006/03/22/87289.aspx

Good luck!

I like it OK... but I missed the menu bar and tried to add it back by selecting the show menu bar option. The menu appears in the MIDDLE of the two icon toolbars and cannot be moved.

That makes it look b*tt ugly. So ugly that I stopped using it.

Needs more work boys.

I agree, I'd also like to be able to put my links on the bar but I'm either missing something or they didn't add that feature.

I'm back to FF for now.

I have been using the Beta2 since it came out.
So far so good - I have nothing to complain about.
It's a good browser that lets me do what I want to do.
It is going to stay on my machine, thanks MS !

IE is the best Browser to see web content! They appear as they should be! IE also has ActiveX which it’s very useful. Personally I like IE7 very much and it actually loads pages quiet fast. I’m looking forward for the Final version.

Not the greatest for web content when it can't do things like process CSS properly.

"IE is the best Browser to see web content! They appear as they should be!"

sorry dude, that's simply not true...
CSS support is not proper implemented yet.

I don't really like the looks in IE7.. It looks a bit wannebe to me. And I find Opera 9 Beta faster than IE7 Beta 2..

I like IE 7 because it do work and dont lock up like
Firefox does for me at anytime and it also shows most sites as i want it to be shown also easy to use compared to Opera that i think work in way to strange ways :) but i dont think i would be useing IE if Firefox just worked right after version 1.3 or something Firefox simply dont work good for me.

IE7 is crap. It constantly asks you to allow it to run an ActiveX control. If you say yes once, STOP ASKING!

Also, if you turn off the asking, it puts a bar at the top that says "Your computer is at risk". NO IT ISN'T. This bar is also impossible to get rid of.

It does that because they were threatened with a patent suit. The webpage can no longer start plug-ins that interact with the user automatically. So you either have to click them, or hit OK on a dialog (depending on how it is embedded into the page).

There is a good chance something similar will be added to all browsers in the near future. Aren't lawsuits great?

IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!
maybe it will grow on you like mold. I went back to FireFox.

"IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!"
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Why is it not all that great? Why do you not like it?

I gave it a run the other week to see what all the fuss about the eolas thing was... It is possibly the best MS browser that I have seen.

It is quite quick compared to the rest of the IE family and is slowly catching up with the rest of the crowd in features.

IE7 is not that that great, I do not like it!
maybe it will grow on you like mold. I went back to FireFox.

I decided to test IE7 the other day, and i was amazed at how well they fixed it. I could barly even run it when it was BETA 1. So I decided to give it a try....
At the moment everything runs well its interface takes a day of getting used to, which i think is going to hurt its popularity a bit. And also the security, is going to hurt its share its a bit to much. Which will get users pissed off, i knw i have but because most pages are made for ie i use it anyways.

ITs looking good, still no firefox but getting there.

Opera is the best out of all of them because how it css support(about 99.9% of the pages appear the way they should be), even though I love firefox and i am going to stick with it, because it saved me a couple of times.

I really think all the companies should come together and create one great internet browser... Because if you take all there good parts and put them togther you will create a really good browser, and with all there large teams, they could stop the security issues right away.

Iamsdawg- mshtml.dll is a modiule that contains HTml viwing capabilities. Odds are that there is a problem with your module. Go to microsoft and in the search box type mshtml.dll. This will bring up a patch that you can install. If that doesn't work, then look for the file to re-install and that should take care of the problem. If it doesn't, then you may have a conflict with some other program on your system.

IE 7 is my second browser. As you estimate, First is FF :).

Now I can get rid of FireFox! Firefox is overrated.

Everytime I install IE7, I get an error message that IE crashed because of mshtml.dll. I cannot find anything on this error, but with both the preview versions and the beta, it crashes. Anyone else have this problem?

Gawd21- no need to attack anyone on a personal leval, that adds nothing to the discussiion. I happen to have a brain and anyone who has an ounce of common sense as a well as a brain, would be careful. There's always someone out there smarter than you and only a fool would think otherwise. I choose my sites carefully but sites can be compromised even this one.

Internet Explorer 7 has taken a step in the right direction. I think that there sould have an option to have IE 7 change back to IE 6 with all the same features in IE7 - like a classic mode. And come on, please allow it to be back ported to at least Windows 2000. I know that Windows 95 98 and ME are old, but it is better to have it for the Windows 2000, that way users will not have to upgrade.
I like to see what they plan on doing for the next IE release due in 2H 2008.

Win 2K is old too as well. Anything pre-XP is considered old by Microsoft nowadays. Heck, they even stopped making further service packs for 2K, also. Why do you think MS won't make WMP 11 for Win 2K too?

I've downloaded internet explorer 7 a few days ago and had no problems at all with it, They just need to include the web page reload button that's in previous versions of explorer.

hugh750, Um, what's wrong with using the Refresh Current Page button next to the X (stop loading current page button)?

It has the ugliest most clunky interface I've ever seen.

I would have to say the following after using the new beta:
1) I like the fact that an anti-phishing tool is built in. It seems to work but then I also use another anti-phishing tool.
2) there does seem to still be some stability problems with the trying to go to a web site and the browser freezing up.
3) On a personal taste issue- I prefer the old "back buttons" as oppose to the arrow set-up. The reason is that you could right click on the buttons and then choose where to go. On the new versdion you have to go to view then go to and, for me. this is a hassle.
4)Sometimes, especiallly when after booting up the system, IE is slower loading.

For all,though, keep in mind this is still in beta and the true test will come with the final release. As far as Clear type, I have a DVI card and DVI capable flatscreen and this has not been a problem.

Yeah, I too use a different and better anti-phishing tool, it's called a brain. Not saying anything against you, just that most people would be able to avoid anything if they just gave it half a seconds worth or thought.

The CSS support are not good enough. Its a step in the direction of support W3C-standards instead of sabotaging, but to many features from css2.1 are not included and to many "bugs" are still there after many years partying in IE6. Still lot work to be done and still webdesigners ahve to use too many working houres to get around problems that exist because of MS lust of total domination on the web.

I do hope Microsoft turns "use Clear Type" Off in final release. It's really annoying and makes fonts look blurry.

I highly doubt they will seeing as the vast majority of IE7 users will likeyl be using LCD panels instead of CRT at that point.

It only looks blurry on CRT....as it was designed for laptop displays.

It looks blurry on LCD too. It's fixable by turnning "Use Clear Type" Off in Advanced settings though. (Under Mutimedia section)

I agree. I had posted that a while back and got the same advice from someone else here on betanews. Cleared IE7 up on my laptop.

Interesting.

Been using cleartype on all my LCDs. Looks fine to me.

Migth be that either I'm used to the difference between LCD and CRT, or that you are not.

Do you switch between the two frequently?

Most folks I know who use laptops or LCD monitors exclusively prefer cleartype over the old standard.

You might be right. I switch between two frequently and I don't find fonts sharp enough on laptop or LCD when ClearType in IE7 is enabled.

Ah! so that's it.. I hate clear type, AND flat panels, they aren't useful for gamers, at all..

I will keep my CRT for a couple more years, until they FINALLY get a good LCD panel.

I am impressed with IE7 and I like it, but it's not going to replace Firefox as my main browser. The main reason is that I've got so many cool and useful Firefox extensions ... and they're all free! Go to IE7's "Manage Add-ons" > "Find More Add-ons" and what do you get? People who want to sell you the equivalent of what you can get for free with Firefox. I saw some add-ons for $299 ... I mean, come on!

I noticed the same thing. I was very disappointed. Is anyone really going to pay for that crap?

Me too. I agree with you. I use FF because I've added 27 nice extensions and Outlook 2003 theme. :)

Those are SPONSORED partners.. of course they are going to charge. IE wasn't designed with add-ons in mind, but that will change.

Windows is all about the money, did you expect it to be free? I realize that this IS beta, so one would think they would at least let you get hooked before they soaked you for the money, but I guess not. LOL.

Again, as I've stated in other posts, I'll go back to my FF for now. I only have to use MS when I do Windows update ... imagine that! FF has worked for everything else up to this point.

I will say that IE7 is faster than their previous versions, but I'm not liking the interface they've given at this point in time.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the drop down menus being off turned off by default. And even when when you turn them on they are place *below* the navigation bar. I find this extremely awkward. Only Netscape (not FF) does this sort of thing and from the feedback that I've seen, most abhore it. Also, you can't remove the search bar on the top right (at least I haven't figured out a way yet. Plugins are very awkward to say the least.

No thanks, MS. I'll stick with FF.

The title of the article doesn't seem to portray the content accurately.

The Majority of the reviews (6 to 2,)the Author quotes are positive. I would lean more towards encouraging (not rave, not excellent, not Positive.) than "mixed."

I've tried it out and I think it's pretty great. The rendering may be faster by some peoples estimates but even if that's true it seems to be made up by even greater reasource hogging which makes the overall experience slower for me (2.8Ghz P4, 1GB Ram).

To me it is more polished than Mozilla/Seamonky/FF and noticably more stable WRT memory leaking and general futzyness that I experience somewhat frequently with the moz team's browsers.

The improved security--we'll just have to wait and see. I miss the draggable toobars from IE6.

Seamonky will remain my browser of choice for now. I just resign myself to having to restart it every few days. :(

It doesn't do ftp like IE 6 can. I am looking at it again, but I am about to uninstall it again and never look back.

IE 6 can't do FTP very well. When I'm downloading Linux 4GB DVD images or 700MB CD images from any FTP site the download consistently fails when it's about 50% complete. It doesn't matter if I use IE 6, Firefox 1.5 or IE 7 Beta 2. If I use Free Download Manager 1.9 or any other standalone FTP client I don't have this problem.

klingon379 use getright

The point is that IE7 doesn't do ftp at all, atleast my install doesn't. I have never had a problem with IE6 ftp, I have IPSwitch, but I like the folder view.

"but does IE7 deliver a next-generation browsing experience?" --> No and thats the problem, they stopped the development many years ago, only security changes since, the only thing they have done is to "borrow" som code from mozilla in order to get it a little up to date, but when vista arrives a garanti that the development once again will stop .. so why not just integreat a third part browser.. ?

Fonts looked ver good in the first beta.
New Fonts? New rendering engine?

I noticed that too. The fonts look great.

For a Beta, I think it has done quite well for me. I was an occasional IE user until this came out. Now, I use it everyday with no problems. Remember, it is a Beta!

Much better than the 1st beta. Tabs are nice, but Netcaptor (www.netcaptor.com) is still better in this area. Wish it could be set to just open all clicks, shortcuts, typed url's, etc in a new tab -- never a new window, and never change the exisiting tab.

Netcaptor and Maxthon are NOT browser replacements, they are front end's for IE. Remove IE from your system, and see what happens.. They won't work!

They work in conjunction with IE.

my problem was after i installed it, i could not do adobe cs2 updates, it said that there was no internet connection.. (there is my 2 cents)

I tried to use the link in google.com I got this alert:Antivirus Alert
The page you are trying to reach contains a virus.

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The object located at http://www.google.com/op...setie7defaultsearch.exe has been detected by BitDefender as a possible source of infection. To maintain the safety of your computer, BitDefender for MS ISA Servers has blocked the access to the specified location. An alert has been send to the administrator of the Microsoft ISA Server.

IE 7 sucks. Firefox is a piece of junk. Opera has broken links, no add-in support. Mozilla is bloated, ..

So let's try a different approach, is there some product we can ACTUALLY say nice thingsa about?

Why so damn negative all the time. You people are so hard to please!

I say nice things about Google products all the time.

Some people just won't listen to reason, though. ;)

Try Maxthon - a wrapper for IE that is what IE7 should have been!

Agreed. Maxthon has far more than IE7. Anyone who hasn't tried it should take a look.

IE 7 sucks. It is SO buggy. I uninstalled it minutes after installing it. Perhaps it may have something to do with having Visual Studio 2005 and Atlas installed, but given this is all Microsoft stuff, not too impressed. Buggy buggy buggy.

Beta, Beta, Beta.

IE has nothing to do with VS 2005, they aren't even related.

I suppose Firestone Tires have something to do with Ford SUV's too huh?

Granted, MS makes both products, but not really, they have a programming team for EACH product. They all carry the MS name, but each one has their OWN programming team.

IE 7 really doesn't suck, I use it, I like it, doesn't crash, but since its BETA, maybe it my be related to bugs, huh?

You are a damn genius, stud.

"I suppose Firestone Tires have something to do with Ford SUV's too huh?"

ROTFLMAO

That's the perfect comparison. User blames equipment to cover up their own inadequate abilities, and willingness to think objectivly about what realy happend.

I like it. Some people complaing about being able to configure it more. However, after working in a workplace environment I've learned that most businesses don't want the interfaces to look different.
Now that I've gotten used to the basic interface with minor tweaks (such as Wikipedia being my default Search) I'm quite happy with it.

Doesn't wikipedia use google's search engine?

Been running IE7 for three days now without a single problem. It's no Maxthon (IE7 makes Maxthon better actually), but it's way better than FireFUD.

So what does IE 7 have that Firefox doesn't? IE 7 is certainly not more stable or more secure than Firefox.

beta software is not for use, it is for testing and early adopters

You're right, beta software is not for production use. I was simply asking why zridling thought Firefox was so bad when compared to IE 7 or any other web browser for that matter.

IE7 is the bomb! Thank you Microsoft for being so kind to get off your lazy over paid rear end and actual do something. The browser is so amazing, thank you for inventing TABBED browsing! That is sooo handy. Also thank you for being so innovative and coming up with an antiphishing filter. I know as soon as it's released to the masses, security and stolen data will be a thing of the past! Then you can go dormant again until you see the call of the big blue E in the sky! When there needs to finally be an update to our code due to our rivals coming out of the woodwork and stealing share we will be there, whenever there is a feature others have innovative we will be there! We are MICROSOFT!!!

Thank god for open source, the Anti-Microsoft!

Wow, you've got a real chip on your shoulders and yet you haven't really said anything. Did you know that IE was one of the first browsers to have tabs? Sure, it wasn't native, but IE has always been easy to extend/shell ala NetCaptor. And I believe Maxthon has had it for a while, too.

As for phishing, did you know Opera, Mozilla, Microsoft and Konqueror have all been working together to help stop this?
http://www.opera.com/security/toronto/

I'm writing this in FF, btw. I just wanted to get some facts straight.

Umm.. no dude. IE was not the first to have TABS. Extending a product, isn't the same thing. Those other companies made IE better, or more enhanced, but they weren't first.

Netscape had TABS first bro.

I remember, because it was a selling feature, but since Netscape was adopted by AOL a few years ago, people basically ignored it.

As for phishing, the browser community actually has very little to do with stopping it, security sites have a huge input, they reported it and are trying to get the browser community to COOPERATE with each other, so they can develop a standard.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!
READ THIS: Tabbed Browsing has been around a long time. Netcaptor offered Tab Browsing back in 1997. Opera developed it back in 1995 and added it in Opera 4 in 2000. Other Popular Browsers such as Avant Browser and Maxthon also had these features.
http://www.firefoxmyths.com

Whoever created this "Firefox Myths" website you mentioned is obviously biased. IE 6 being faster than Firefox? Between Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, IE 6 and Firefox, IE 6 is by far the slowest in regards to rendering speed.

As for ActiveX not being a major security problem, by default IE 6 installs certain types of ActiveX controls without asking. What if one of these ActiveX controls contains malicious code?

Really, NS had it first?
http://en.wikipedia.org/...rowsing#Tabbed_browsing

I 100% agree that implementing it is not the same thing as extending it. But to me, as a developer, IE is a rendering engine (Trident) as well as a shell. Its one of the programs that MS makes where they don't care if people use it as packaged or extend it, because its still IE. Maxthon, NetCaptor and even Outlook are all IE/Trident. In hindsight, I'll admit my statement that "IE was one of the first browsers to have tabs" could be misleading on its own but I think I covered myself right away saying that it was NetCaptor that extended it.

As for your last comment, I've got nothing to say except what I said before. The browser community is looking for a way to help show people "good" and "bad" sites, and they're hopefully still working together to make a consistent look. Sure security companies might be pushing, too, but the browser companies are working as well.

IE7 is fast

Did anyone read the guy's comments at all?

He was piling on the sarcasm and you all missed it.

http://www.pcworld.com/n...cle/0,aid,118770,00.asp

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WAS the *FIRST* browser with TABS! 1994, dork.

Don't argue with me about computer technology, a** wipe.

WAS the *FIRST* browser with TABS! 1994, dork.

Don't argue with me about computer technology, *******
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Why not simply post your comment without all the emotion. Cite your source and make a statement that is not so vitriolic.

I thought the FF guys copied netscape. I saw an article in wired magazine about that.

http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/firefox.html?pg=1&topic=firefox&topic_set=

You new here?

This is classic rijp, man, No amount of cajoling, soothing, or sense will ever cause this man to waver from his chosen path of giving people as much sh1t as he possibly can.

He's like the post that way...

Whew, thought I was going crazy there. Didn't realize you were trolling. Thanks for making it more obvious.

I generally don't remember the names of people online so I didn't realize he was trolling until his last post.

"Don't argue with me about computer technology, a** wipe."

Why not? Just how long have you been online? Tell us your credentials, so we can determine whether or not your statement has any value to it. Put up or shut up.

You would have to remember PC_Tools, Gawd21, fewt, rijp, and several others as we are the worst on here, but we do have points that are valid from time to time.

Yeah, just gotta catch us on the days we remember to take our lithium. ;)

LMAO, I thought it was Prozac or however it is spelled.

Amazingly...you spelled it right.

...I know...we're all stunned.

dont argue with RIJP he knows his stuff!

Thanks... *Bows head with smile trying to hide it*

LOL NO I use Spell check 90% of the time, I didn't that time I was in a hurry.

hey dips*it, the article that you point is about version 8. dumba**. Besides, Tabbed browsing wasn't implemented until version 7.0, which came out in 2002. Read this directly from NETSCAPE (f-cktard)
http://wp.netscape.com/e.../relnotes/7pv1.html#new

STOP TOUCHING ME!

Once he said that he was 17 years old, but then, the other day, he said he had been working with computers for 25 years.

...and you see where *that* got you.

If it's worth doing, man...it's worth doing right, eh? ;)

roflmao...

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

relax people RELAX ...
It's all been said before, IE7 brings nothing innovative, is just copy-cating and including features from all the browsers out there ...
and just because some of you get all
"OPINIONATED" doesnt mean BN will make a new article to include the newer posts.
So if you have nothing "innovative" to say ....
just STFU

yet your wrong, not to mention you said absolutily nothing innovative.

Breathe in -sspppphhh-, breath out -wooosh-.

Calm breathes, relax, think about nice things (Eva Mendes in a bikini on a beach, PC_Tool quietly sipping coffee and keeping silent about google comments, driving my Cayenne Turbo on the autobahn, listening to some Tool blasting on my 1000 watt stereo, dual 12's, kicking back, crusing, making Vega's plans for the annual 4th outing)... Ah much better.

OK, *NOW* you all can STFU!!

"PC_Tool quietly sipping coffee and keeping silent about google comments"

roflmao..

Dude...I *really* would rather *not* be in your dreams. mmmmKay?

IE7 is my backup browser of choice, for when a site does not display in Opera (quite rare lately). IE7 is pretty slickk, but still lacks opera's polish. Try right clicking on a tab in IE7 and Opera, and compare the options you have... In particular, the abiity to locks tabs is sorely missed in IE7.

IE yr Backup Browser? Well, it's my 3rd and if i could avoid it because some sites are plainly written TO ONLY FUNCTION IN IE, i'd not have it....most horribly organised and inflexible interface there in btw.

I see locking tabs as a preference, not a missing feature. That's why they give options like open news links in a new window, or new tab. Why do you need to lock it? Are you protecting something?

Locks are for toolbars, not tabs.. what happens when you lock it? That's right, NOW you have to unlock it... That's ok.

I can just open a new tab, and leave those others alone... So you want locking tabs.. well I guess IE 7 isn't the right browser for you then, huh?

So you blame the public and web designers for going after the 85% of the market that actually use IE? What kind of messed up logic is that?

Why don't you go after the Trucking companies for using Diesel instead of natural gas? Yeah, that's brilliant!

IE is popular, it stands to reason that people (so they don't have to worry about the other 15%) will write pages and code for the masses, not for EVERYONE.

And, show me a page, you can ONLY function in IE.. that's the same as me asking for those dead links that IE DOES *NOT* open, I am still waiting for EITHER.

Give me an example of either situation, I am still waiting for someone to prove this to me...

I think that ALL websites should conform to standards that any browsewr of high development running on ANY os can properly view the page. to make a website that is only properly viewable in ONE browser is kind of lame when you think about it....

This is the only statement I agree too. All should conform to a standard.

"saves from the clutter of Firefox's bookmark toolbar"

Bleh, I'd rather remember URLs than bookmark them with firefox :-(

You either have a really good memory, or you just like to do things the hard way.

I have 150 websites I use weekly.. There is *NO* way you can remember ALL the addresses, unless you keep them in the history or use autocomplete..

Or maybe you only have 5 favorites, I don't know... but most of mine require some sort of login. I especially don't want to have to type my ID a hundred times just and remember each and every site, that's rediculous.

Roboform. Unless you are insistent on using the manual form, fine. But I don't think I would go around proudly saying that you would rather type dozens of websites, and login when there are sooooo many form fills and bookmarks available.. I can't even believe people would be this stubborn, then to just make a stupid shortcut. Is it really that hard?

Yahoo, has a bookmark feature, that saves to your ID, so your bookmarks/favorites can even follow you, I bet you didn't know that.....

I tried it and reverted back to IE6. None of the media features, such as yahoo music/video, comedy central, wmp net streams, etc all stopped working.

I like it when I'm quoted saying "Hard Core," or at least, the ladies do. :)

IE7 sucks. I like version 6 and the layout and everything. The way i can organize my favorite and asign custom icons for each url. My links bar is a tribute to ease of us. I don't really have to read it, just look for a icon. Version 7 is a complete redesign that makes it more like a different browser alltogether. and i think the point should have been to build on what worked. They had controlled most of the market anyway. apperently people just wanted a more secure browser with more features. IE7 looks more like that junky aol browser. Which is basically for newbies or tech idiots. I will be moving to Vista only cause i will need to cause of games. So i will be forced to either deal with this new junk or find a different browser.

im surprised that you being the self proclaimed "all-knoledgeable-master-of-all-that-is-perfectly coded" make no mention on firefox ....

Thanks for your opinion... I'd recommend that you use what you like. Problem solved... don't upgrade.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Tabs are a breeze once you figure out/read about the middle button (wheel) click. Try clicking on a link with your wheel (opens in new tab)

You can also click on a tab with your wheel to close it.

Overall it's a great release. One thing that still annoys me is the history/back button problems. It seems it forgets where it was at from time to time.

Buggy

This release of IE7 is much better than previous, but it still has a long way to go... I do like how tabs are handled, just like in Firefox, even the shortcuts are same :)

The UI is, well how to say this - different. I still haven't got used to it, but I will some day. ;) Of course there is much room for improvement.

What I don't like is rendering engine. It has improved over IE6, but Firefox and Opera are way ahead. One more thing I don't like is JavaScript - especially rendering of menus, which is quite slow compared to FF and Opera.

"One more thing I don't like is JavaScript - especially rendering of menus, which is quite slow compared to FF and Opera."

Isn't that related to the Sun Java Plugin? I had XP Gold and updated to SP2 then IE7...well, MSJAVA works fine for me :)

JavaScript or Java? I think you're confusing the two. At least now I'm confused...

Java != Javascript. Javascript doesn't use the Java plugin at all. Java plugin is used for applets.

same chet ....
if you think of .js files as Java .... you're incorrect .... Java or Javascript is the same ...
even the one implemented on HTML .... if you know how, you can extract the java "code" out of it and put it on a .js file ... thereby making java out f a javascript, much like an applet but these most of the time require more than one script and fusing them to HTML would be useless and less efficient ....

Java and JavaScript, last time I wrote an applet, are not the same things. Javascript I can live with... Java is irritating.

That is not correct. JavaScript is a scripting language whose engine is built into the browser (much like how VBScript is built into the browser). Java is not a scripting language but a full blown language and requires a runtime engine to be installed (Java Runtime Environment).

For more information see http://www.dannyg.com/ref/javavsjavascript.html

Second time I've had to respond to you pointing out JavaScript and Java are two completely different, unrelated things. They both have the letters J, A and V in them, but it does not make them related.

There's also the Java language, (considered pretty decent) the server,(ok) the RE (pathetic) and the philosophy(hasn't helped sun much.)

Javascript has been around...what, several decades, and people are still mistaking it for being related to java? :P

Your problem is that IE uses JScript, not Javascript. JScript has lots of neat features like access to your OS, and ActiveX objects. Since it has to check for tons of now-unused things and is from the buggy-slow hole-filled bloat era, it's naturally slower than javascript and doesn't support newer commands.

Javascript menu problems would most likely be layering issues - CSS/rendering related.

Fire up IE7 (or IE6 for that matter) and watch CPU usage in Task Manager or Proccess Explorer. Go to http://www.hgspot.hr/default.aspx (that's in Croatian) and try to browse the menu... It's slow isn't it?

Hear Hear!

Funny, lets try that..

Oh, look I am already using IE 7. OK, Task Manager, only I use something better, called Process Explorer.. (hey, maybe I like the word explorer). At any rate.. oh look, yeah its at 70% cpu.. oh that was for an ENTIRE milisecond, maybe if you are Data from STNG, that's an enternity, but I am pretty sure that's not a long time.

Its now at less than 5%.. what else you got? Because there is something wrong with your machine... I bet you are using McAfee Virus BS aren't you?

BTW, if you are going to test the browser, why not try a website on THIS side of the pond before you go complaining its slow.. its slow, because its like 9,000 miles away.. Gee, that doesn't have anything to do with it.. nooo, can't be. It's the Browsers fault! yeah..

NOT!

msjava? mmmmm got to love it when ONE company out of the millions and millions usingf java doesnt conform with the 100% pure java initiative that the whole world agreed to do when sun licenced the java technology to them

Compared to Firefox and Opera, sure it's slow. And no, I don't use McAfee BS, and my machine is doing just fine, thanx for asking ;)
Compared to Opera, IE7 is resource hog. Check it yourself... I've heard of Process Explorer, maybe because I'm using it myself.

I'm using Kaspersky KAV 6.0 at the time, but I am also a happy NOD32 user. No I don't have them installed both.

Say it with me:

BETA.

for chrissakes, people. Of course it's slow.

There's the drink too, right? :)

Phishing Filter comes with a price I find--disable it and check it again.

Some things I'd add to this list:

The Zoom feature is really nice. I've never been a fan of the plus/minus that just increases the text and makes the rest of the site look like crap.

They moved Windows Update back to the Tools menu thankfully.

Printing is really wonderful most of the time. In the past I had people switch to FF just because IE was so bad at printing. Now I'd say most of the time IE is better at FF, although FF's still is wonderfull, too.

The security settings, specifically SSL problems are more upfront but I'm having problems. I was on a site where the bottom frame had an expired SSL cert and there was no way a normal user would have been able to figure that out from the interface.

Browsing seems pretty much the same speed.

"They moved Windows Update back to the Tools menu thankfully."

I asked for that one specifically in the IE7 feedback area at Microsoft. I, too, am glad it has returned, if nothing else, just so I can instruct computer users to "Click Tools, then go to Windows Update" and not worry about the IE version. Sounds simple and pointless, but that was really one of my only complaints about the previous beta versions.

Isn't "Start -> Windows Update" easier? And that's always been there.

--cheers

*They moved Windows Update back to the Tools menu thankfully.*

Yeah, because help was soooo far away, I couldn't find it with both fingers!

*Printing is really wonderful most of the time. In the past I had people switch to FF just because IE was so bad at printing. Now I'd say most of the time IE is better at FF, although FF's still is wonderfull, too.

Um... Gee.. Ok, so.. the printer driver, has nothing to do with printing? WTF!?!? IE does a call to the printer, and IE has to output to a printer instead of the screen? What's wrong with the printing? Netscape, which I happen to like, its attrocious when it comes to printing, because its MUCH slower, it renders, outputs, you wait.. then some box comes up and gives you a run down on the pages its composing for the printer, THEN it sends the job to the printer queue...I find THAT annoying (because sometimes it hangs) but IE? Ok, now you are nit picking..

I print all day long in IE, been doing it since the pre-beta, and not a single problem there. I will agree IE 7 has some issues, but like duh, its BETA, hello!??!?!.. But printing is *NOT* one of them.

LOL. Yeah, there is shortcut on EVERY windows start classic menu (unless you delete it).. Windows Update is in the same place..

Isn't it amazing how people are so resistent to change?

So, Help/windows update.. that's too tough?!?

"And that's always been there."

For one reason or another it disappears from the start menu--at least on the computers I support--from time to time. Otherwise, though, you're right.

"Yeah, because help was soooo far away, I couldn't find it with both fingers!"

Windows Update has NEVER been on the IE help menu. The start menu can be Classic view or XP view, so that is not always universal either.

Heh...

...suckers. They've got ya now. ;)

oh **** !! we're being watched ....

*** sits quiet in the corner behaving properly ***

lets use proper manners, punctuation, and common sense .... WE'RE BEING WATCHED !!!

* *** sits quiet in the corner behaving properly *** *

OK, now Das mod ver 1.0 has some bugs in it, because since when does he -behave-?!? I thought his dictionary left that word out..

*lets use proper manners, punctuation, and common sense .... WE'RE BEING WATCHED !!! *

If you are paranoid schizophrenic, stay where you are, we are coming to get you! If you are bi-polar, have somone else use the browser.. and if you are delusional, click the fish, press the "have a nice day" and then click the "I'm ok, you're just so so" when finished.

The UI wastes a ridiculous amount of space at the top of the screen ... the Address bar does not need to be 14 inches wide on a high-res display! On IE6 you can stack the nav buttons, address bar and File/Edit/Tools menu next to each other on the same tier, left to right, in any order. With IE7 you can't. And scattering the Back/Forward, Refresh and Home buttons across the entire width of the display on two different levels is a nitwit idea that the average (and even above-average) user will hate. Dumb da dumb-dumb.