All the more reason to cut the crap and migrate to another web browser. If you like the sound of that, consider uninstalling M$ Windoze and migrating to Linux (or some other operating system).

I hope mIRC still works or I won't install it.

Ever since Gates started talking about IE7,I was thrilled with the idea of a bigger, and better IE!!,unfortunately, I happen to be one of the lucky ones who got first crack at this marvel of Microsoft.It's a disaster! I also am a Trillion member, #7 should've been left in the can 'til it grew up!!!!!

there are many problems with this beta.

Wow, the (leaked) installer i found wouldnt work, so I found another version that just extracted the thing to a directory, and it was buggy as hell. this should have been an alpha, not a beta. hell, mozilla's alphas are more stable than M$'s final software. Damn, and they keep trying to say open source is costly. The new UI sucks big time, the little tab button is unintuitive. The trimmed down UI looks like something an amateur hacker would make: cryptic and useless. I still don't understand why they put the File & other menus under the address bar, that seems to break all the rules of Windows. All in all, I'm not looking forward to the final version because if it's crap like this I'm just going to stay with FX and possibly find a way to delete IE for good.

I couldn't agree more, over the last 3 days, I have had to reinstall my XpOs 5 times!!!! THIS IE IS JUST PLAIN FOOEY!!!

Funny all these complaints about a NON PUBLIC beta. Wouldnt surprise me a bit if microspud didn't do it on purpose just to screw with those who use software they arent supposed to have in the first place.

It broke my AOL IM, MSN IM and Outlook 2003. Good Work MS.

Thats what you get for installing a beta version ;-) BETA means UNFINISHED ;-)

It breaks Miranda IM also, just to add to the list.
Even after uninstalling IE7, Miranda would still freeze. Did a System Restore to the point I made for Pre-IE7, and all's well again.
As a side note, the tabs are still a bit clunky, you can't move toolbars around, it's just as slow as FireFox starting up, the Favorites section needs some serious attention (full screen on mine), and I think I'll just keep on using my 3rd party browser that rhymes with TireTox.
I don't think the new IE is ever going to reach the same smooth functionality (with their tabbed version) as the rest of the world, who's had a few years experience already.

Honestly, its a beta there is going to be problems, which is why they have testing. I can't tell you how many times I have broken stuff before going to a production release, it happens it is part of the developers life.

I am an avid FireFox user but am looking forward to some browser competition, honestly competition breeds innovation and progress and that in the end makes things better for everybody.

When Ballmer said he wanted to take over the web, well, he's another step closer. LOL. Sorry, had to poke some fun into this.

Not only IM, the MSN Web Messenger (http://webmessenger.msn.com/) not run in IE 7.0 Beta 1 and Windows Update don't work in this Beta too.

Sl2.

bla bla bla bla ...beta... bla bla bla... not working... bla bla bla bla ... IM ... bla bla bla bla bla

What the HECK!

Um.......OK.

What do you have to add that's constructive?

Did you smoke crack again this morning? You really gotta stop that. :)

Its not necesarily IE7 thats blocking ur IM, could be Microsoft Antispyware. Cause a build thats fully functional with ie7 has not been released yet. You might want to look into that. Oh... and you really should get off the crack, lol

People already have been installing the AntiSpyware. If that were the case then people would already have had the effect of their IM apps breaking. Most likely.

Microsoft Money 2006 is also having problem.

I installed the IE 7 beta and everytime I shut down MS Money 2006 there is a crash that looks much like the Trillian crash, which I also have installed.

One other thing...

I noticed that Yahoo! Mail doesn't work with it well at all.

Yahoo! Mail thinks you have some substandard browser and forces you to use this crappy interface. :)

I noticed that too :(

But Gmail still works :-D

If you turn off java scripting in IE it still does tha same. I like yahoo, but I hate how they force you to use java even when I have had it load without java just fine until it realized I didn't have java. I do everything I can to block Java and Flash from most sites nowdays, but they still have purpose. Damn maybe I should just shut my drunk butt up! I want to get my point out, but it doesn't seem to work well drunk.

Use FireFox, easily with an extension you could block flash or java!

lol java, block, run, block, force, java... umm... ?

I use FF. I don't use IE anymore, I was just stating.

If you idiots could read, its all to blame on Trillian/Cerulean Studio's end. Any good product would check the DLL version to ensure maximum compatability. Then again, Trillian has always been a crappy product.

Actually, Trillian is a great product for many people (myself included)... and version checking the DLL alone is not going to help. It's more likely that Trillian makes a function call that the new DLL version no longer handles (or handles differently).

So yeah, it will need an update eventually, but it's not the end of the world, because there are workarounds to the issue temporarily.

Before you go calling anyone an idiot, make sure that your own post is accurate.

Just find a good copy of that DLL and drop it in the Trillian program directory.

Good man! I was wondering where you were.

Good point... keeping it in the Trillian folder should force it and only it to use that version rather than the OS's copy. A reasonable workaround for the moment until a permanent fix is released.

you make yourself look like an idiot with this post. The problem isnt just with trillian, but also with other clients like Gaim as the story says.
As far as the problem being with the clients, I seriously doubt ANY programmer can program in compatibility for something that doesnt exits yet. Trillian, gaim and others have worked hard to produce a GREAT product that does everything the bloatware mainstream products do and then some.

So before you go spewing crap outta your blowhole, read and shut up ok?

I don't get much time to hang out on the net anymore. ;-)

Yes, it's a beta. But it's also a reflection on the sort of program we can expect (at least in some sense, you'd hope), and if people are able to get hold of it why the hell shouldn't they be able to *comment* on it - as a leaked beta?

Anyway IE will continue to be rubbish IMO...until MS buys out Opera and calls that IE instead...

Why do you say Opera? I don't like spy/adware and most of the world doesn't either.

Because Microsoft is more likely to buy out Opera than try to take over stake in an Open-Source project like Mozilla, I reckon.

Still, such a move seems unlikely unless their legal team is bored and wants to take on the Justice Department again.

lol

In all seriousness, I'd be surprised if MS hadn't given it a LOT of thought... ;)

LOL! Yeah, well, I never said they didn't think/dream about it, *grin*

I don't think MS needs to "take on" something they obviously own.

The reason I asked is that Opera has around 2% of the internet users and there is no way that they even affect MS and I am not one of those users. I have tested it once and didn't like the bs that was with it (it's been a while), so I haven't tried it again. ( Drinking my Bud Ice so if I F*** up sorry for my text!!!)

I use gaim.sf.net and never use explorer or msn, no problems here (so no need to install IE )

I hate it when people install BETAs and complain about how buggy they are!

BETAs are for debugging purposes!

"damm noobs"

are we, it takes us noobs ,with 18 degrees 4,phd"s,and 2, bsc in conputing to sort it out

A beta program is of course going to be buggy. The program should not, however, break OTHER programs. That's just ridiculous.

I'll probably uninstall IE7 within the next couple days, but for now I'm running msn messenger along side Trillian. Is this working as intended?

please tell me you're not talking about yourself.

you can't even spell "conputing"

That's why it's a beta. You said it yourself - of course it is going to be buggy. And this problem is not IE's fault. Did you stop to consider why the heck these IM apps have to depend on files used in IE? I think that's where you should look for your "ridiculous" programming.

First off, the latest version of GAIM works just fine - I can connect to both AIM and MSN networks.

Secondly, you totally contradict yourself when you say "..of course this will be buggy" and then say it shouldn't break other programs. A bug isn't intentional.

The OTHER programs are using MSN protocols, it is THEIR responsibility to make their programs compatible. When MSN protocol changes are made, it is these 3rd parties that have to update their programs. Why should MS have to make concessions for applications which are 'essentially' hacking into their products?

I said something very close to that a little ways down. Good point!

"The program should not, however, break OTHER programs."

WOW!! That's such a profound statement... would you mind passing that tip along to AOL's development teams (including their Netscape division)? Thanks! I appreciate your wisdom on the matter.

shows you what you know ,my keys our on the blink, i am now buying a new one and yes i was

what are your degrees in? Knowing the difference between "are" and "our" isn't the keyboard's fault.

I'm sorry. I mean, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but you're the one who brought up this vast knowledge, and I'm just wondering why it doesn't show that well.

Ever hear of a troll?

I'm not trolling. I'm seriously wondering why he/she's so adamant about this unlimited knowledge.

The reason is, I suspect this person is lying, but I was trying not to say that out-right. And now I have. Oops.

The problem is DLLs. Looking back over the last 15 years or so they've probably caused far more problems than they solved.

DLL's are a good idea if you can write decent code that actually works, but companies should just start statically linking everything so MS can't release a new DLL and sabotage their existing software.

To be honest, I'm only half joking.

You amount of separation from Kevin Bacon doesn't count.

You know what, that is a VERY smart statement! I never did understand why people had to use the basic DLLs. It made me want to cry , lol, that people didn't write their own, I write everything anew,(not that I write a lot) and hate that others use that easy to crack stuff and cry about it.

Again I am still drunk so sorry for mispelled words and what nots.

OMG, I am 110% behind you on this just to buzzed to type anything to support you!

DLL's are great in theory, because they're meant to reduce memory load and improve performance. That can be a big deal considering many companies are like Dell and still sell "cheap" systems with 256MB of RAM while others are selling systems with 512MB of RAM as standard.

But you're right... they cause far more problems than they're worth. I think the real problem is that applications rely too much on the OS-specific versions of DLL's, and when Microsoft updates them to resolve bugs, it screws up applications. The solution would be that every application should write its own DLL's or at the very least store its expected version of DLL's in the application's directory rather than rely on what it thinks the OS *should* have. Considering the size of hard drives these days, it seems unlikely that the issue of disk space would become a limitation.

Other solutions, could be to simply not use DLL's at all (as you stated), or writing code that is not OS-dependent.

What does Beta mean? Are betas the final product? *sarcasm*

to avoid any compatibility problems, install the new msn version 7.0 or anyother IE updates. Trillian is a nice app-integration utility, however as u all know its a non-supported ms app.

in most cases, no, in Microsoft's case, yes, they sell their beta's as finished product all the time :)

Actually Microsoft beta tests it's products before they go gold more than any other software company in the United States. Look into it. It's true.

haha IE7 beta sucks, still cant customize NOTHING lol..what is the search and addy bar doing stuck up top?? LMAO yah....it messed my trillian up! had to revert back to yesterday LOL

FIREFOX!! w00t!

You, sir, are a cad.

A cad? Not sure I know what that is, but if it's anything like moron, you are correct.

hehe u guys are gay

MODs why is this guy even here? He has never posted anything but cussing, racist remarks, and put-downs, No tech info or help at all. He hasn't even posted an opinion about a product just bashing people.

I beg your pardon! Actually, I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body... *grin* :)

LMAO I use to say that. I got married and now none of it's worth it .lol

GAIM works for me. I have IE 7

sweet. I'm not the only one :-D

Apparently, many of you do not understand the concept of BETA TESTING.

You see, the entire point of the process is to privately release an incomplete, imperfect version of software to a select group to play with so that they can tell Microsoft what they like and don't like as well as what works and doesn't work.

Microsoft or the appropriate vendor fixes the problem, and then everyone is all happy go lucky again... unless it's deemed as individual user error or a small enough issue that it is treated as small potatoes.

Anyway, anyone who installs BETA SOFTWARE onto their machines accepts, by default, that it is imperfect and things have a chance of not working.... you accept the risks as soon as you start setup. If you don't have alternatives and backups at hand, it is your own fault.

You downloaded the software, you installed it, so YOU DEAL WITH IT or you UNINSTALL it.

Especially in the case of this leaked build, you get what you deserve from the process.

exactly

Sounds to me like you're describing "alpha". In my opinion, "beta" describes software that is essentially done, and is being released for final testing in a real environment. Of course, in the Microsoft world that is the definition of "dot 0 release".

Well I have been a "beta" tester for a while and I have never seen a perfect release of anything, to date. So I am still behind MS and think that they will get the crap taken care of, but they use "beta" testers to help understand the far reaching problems. I hope I used words that children will understand, it's hard for me to digress.

Microsoft corrupted the term "beta test" a long time ago so that now people like YOU think alpha products are beta products.

In the old days there was stages, alpha, beta, and GA.

In alpha testing - after a product was debugged for the most part on several "test machines" in the lab, it was circulated to selected IN house testers to further see how the application acted on those. at this stage, program compatibility was already tested and fixed and the purpose and scope of the test was to see how the product acted over time and on differing hardware. Testing at this stage was to be done on the selected system with some of the most popular consumer used applications installed.

Once bugs were worked out with issues in alpha testing, the developer released the product to beta test, to further check for hardware compatibility and program compatibility and reliability. This is the Beta stage. The beta stage opened up the compatibility to more applications and hardware differences.

Once the product was debugged and perfected as much as possible, it was put for sale as GA (General availability)

That was the OLD way
The new way is the very forst stage is eliminated, and alpha stage is considered the same as the old first stage. Then in the current thought beta software (the old alpha stage) is released to outsourced testers. Finally, Beta software is sold as GA.

Thank you ms for lessening the wait for a product, but at the same time delivering consistantly substandard products.

they are, but n00bs these days dont know the difference.

"The new way is the very forst stage is eliminated, and alpha stage is considered the same as the old first stage."

So then the first stage is eliminated but it's still the same... WTF?

Despite the lengthy explanation, I fail to see the difference between the process. They've done the in-house alpha-testing, now they released the beta process to select testers.

Regardless of the differences, as you state, the beta process is for compatibility. As the article points out, they found an incompatibility. Now we wait for it to be fixed and use available workarounds in the interim.

Nice of you to troll your way onto the board just to voice your comments about minor, irrelevant points that are off-topic while calling us the n00bs.

If you have something more important to contribute (rather than spout off lengthy, inaccurate distinctions of the alpha-beta process), I'd be interested to hear your analysis of the actual problem from the article along with ideas of a valid work-around.

the demonstrated compatibility issue in this instance would have been caught in the alpha stage, not in the beta stage. compatibility checks in the beta stage would be for people who use little known programs or little used programs.

ther length of my disclosure was to demonstrate why ms is obviously releasing alpha products as beta, and it is far from inaccurate. I have been a part of the computing community since 1980, probably way before you were even born. So before you spout off accusations like you know it all you should demonstrate in a clear and concise manner (as I did above) why you think a statement is incorrect.

Simply satying "you're wrong" is not a valid arguement and as such will be ignored by anyone with half a brain who is able to analyse the available information and arguements.

Why would Microsoft test to see if a third party app that is using their network without permission gets broke or not, while in the alpha stage? That was a very confusing statement.

GodThings2Life is correct. Current IE7 is just a beta software, not an alpha software released as beta like you accused Microsoft is doing. Beta phase are supposed to help Microsft find bugs in it, not finding interoperability problems with other programs. It also helps programmers to adapt their software to work with IE 7.

Trillian is broken because of IE7? That's not the fault of Microsoft or Cerulean Studios, and Cerulean doesn't even blame Microsoft for this one. They know that IE 7 will be different, and it was Cerulean Studios who will have to make their software to work with IE7.

most ms new apps
= most AOL new apps ~= crap... XDDD

most ms new app
= most AOL new apps ~= crap... XDDD

The Hell with Micro$oft, come on everybody lets use Linux now...
come on...
everybody...
please?...
hello?...

Down with capitalism, up with anarchism..
Blah,blah,Blah,...
whatever

i second that emotion :)

Whoever installed IE7 deserves to be f*cked.

yep just tried it ,what a crop of crap ,all the hype ,,not much different to the old one think i will try maxvonn or avant or aol ,yep its not on my comp

A very well-thought-out, and compelling argument. I now turn from my evil ways and destroy anything that says "IE." I will now become an anti-IE crusader, calling everyone who likes it a dumb@$$. That should work right?

Deserves to be *expletived* ? Wow, as a geek, I consider it to be my lucky day then!

lol...

I wish the IE beta had come out when I was 15... maybe I would have gotten some then!

LMAO

what do you expect from microsoft ,every time since they have started its been fixes arfter fixes , and then they charge you big bugs for this crap

umm... they charge for IE?

*news*

I think you might have missed this little anti-trust suit that MS got in with the U.S. government....

I know it's hard, but you should try to pay a little more attention next time k?

They not only charge us... they charge us "big bugs" !!!! :) (To the spelling and grammar police, this is called a joke... no flaming needed!)

missed the point again you paye, 98, 98se, 2000, xp, xp pro, vista, all have up dates and bug fixes and in time you will be paying for ie

you don't have to pay for the updates. And IE will NEVER cost money. EVER. That would be corporate suicide.

And yet, thou you bad mouth them constantly, I bet you still use their major products like office and windows dont ya. My other observation, I bet you are like most users on this forum, in that you pirated your copy of windows (or got home on your pc by default and pirated xp pro) and then have the nerve to whine about it's issues. I am sorry, but until you pay for any product, you dont have ANY right to complain as you are getting it for free.

mancub, I ask you this, how many times have you PERSONALLY been affected by one of these exploits in IE? I, myself, have never since IE6 SP2, been affected by a bug. And the only thing I was affected by in PRE-SP2 IE, was activex enabled spyware installers. I have never been hit by any of the exploits that "Allow hackers full control over your pc". And then, the only windows exploit I was ever hit by was the blaster worm, and that was easily patched. So please, explain to me what exploits you've been hit by that have cost you so much time that its like you paid for IE? Personally, I have spent more time installing new versions of firefox and updating broken extensions than I have with installing IE updates (as I can install an update to IE simply by letting auto updates download them for me, and prompt me to install). With firefox, I have to manually go to the download page (as the update mechanism has never alerted me to a new version of firefox, only exntesions) and download the new version, and then I have to hunt down new versions of the extensions (or suffer without them until they are eventually posted for the auto-updater to find them). Also, even thou the updates say I have to reboot for them to take effect, I have never rebooted and all of the updates have worked fine (according to security exploit example sites like securina, or securityfocus). So please, describe to me what exploits you have been hit by that cause you to spend so much time patching IE or trying to find fixes.

Perhaps he should stop hanging out on all the Warez and pr0n sites so much, and then he probably wouldn't have to deal with the problems he alleges to experience.

Trillian or IE 7..?

Trillian and FF 1.0.6

Yep...

I'm using Trillian Pro 3.0 and it broke with the intstall of IE 7 Beta 1.

I had to remove the MSN plugin to keep Trillian from crashing. However I use MSN so much that I decided to just remove IE 7.

It uninstalled with no problems and now Trillian is working again :)

Did it occur to you to install Windows or MSN Messenger as a temporary alternative to Trillian until a patch is released?

I mean, even if you don't like those programs, at least it is a temporary work around until the problem is solved.

Hey GoodThings2Life,

Actually, it didn't occur to me. :-)

Thanks for bringing it up. Right now I'm just not real fond of the how I cannot move the address bar and the back/forward buttons due to the other stuff being part of the tab.

For those reasons I prefer IE6 over IE7 Beta.

Cheers :)

I've heard a lot of people comment on the lack of customization in the toolbars... makes me kinda glad I haven't jumped on the bandwagon.

I reckon they'll resolve it by Beta 2 when it goes "public" (according to an interview with a Microsoft rep I saw on Friday), and certainly by final release.

did it occur to you to investigate what Trillian does before jumping in with both feet?

Trillian isnt just MSN.. it is also AIM, YIM, Jabber, IRC and more. that's what the draw of the program is, why run 5 programs, each hogging up system resources, when one will do the job with a lot smaller fingerprint?

Thank you, Captain Obvious for the news flash. But as has been mentioned by more competent, less aggravating posts, the AIM function works sufficiently well in Trillian, so disabling MSN works and a valid workaround is to use MSN or Windows Messenger.

lets see, a person uses an application such as trillian, or gaim or others like these so they don't HAVE to use the bloatware counterparts.
a valid workaround that makes them stop using the program of their choice and force them to use what they obviously didnt want to use to begin with is NOT a valid workaround, it's called giving up choice and accepting the worst case scenario.

further - if my post aggrivated you, too bad. face facts and reality, not optimisism and delusions.

The most Obvious "workaround" would be to finally stop supporting microsoft whenever possible, dump msn messenger entirely, but then that's also a sacrifice, but more palatable than running unnecessary bloatware.

Everything I have read that you have posted tells me that you are either a child still in school living with your parents or a very confused person. I am not putting you down, I just think you should stop and read your own posts a bit. They are far from the truth and are from a very computer illiterate stance. It is as if you have not more computer experience than a child. Maybe it is just the wording you are trying or maybe you are just waiting until you have been drinking to post, but something is wrong.

Hmm.... that's weird. I'm using Gaim, and it works perfectly. No noticeable problems. Maybe it's just unique to certain configurations? I have no clue.

Not only did those programs crashed, but also a text/html software that I used frequently crashed as well: EditPlus 2. I'm rolling back the installation to IE6.

If I can, that is.

It's easy to uninstall. Just go to add/remove program and check the Show updated. Scroll down until you see Windows then you will see the sub Internet Explorer 7 and you will then just select that and remove.

Bleh, uninstall is so 1998. Use system restore, that is good stuff. I've found that I checkpoint the OS before I install anything new, so I can roll back and it's like it was never there. A little inconvenient having to reboot, but less likely to have registry sprawl from having 10 apps uninstall and not clean up after themselves. I think I've had to reinstall less often, and have had a much cleaner environment overall since I started using it.

Kudos to MS for that wonderful piece of tech.

Mmmm, system restore... but I hope no one flames you about how MS stole System Restore from PowerQuest and Symantec (and possibly others?).

gawd21 said "any bugs or problems with comparability shouldn't be brought up". Maybe i'm wrong but isn't that what a beta is for. To find the bugs and problems and get them fixed for the final?

Yes in the CLOSED BETA FORUM that only the persons that were given access to should be able to post to. Not to be used in a public forum or "News Forum"!

Man, I´m sorry, but you are REALLY STUPID!
You must think you are special because you use legitimate software or because you have access to official MS beta program..
CRAP! Move to Linux and stop being an idiot here!

AlexBR1974 aren't you the same person that was making the racist remarks the other day?

Yeah, moving to Linux (very vague anyway, which leads me to believe you don't know anything past the name) will solve everyone's problem! [/sarcasm]

fmccoy21, i got IE7, if you want it, just email at daytonlowell@gmail.com and i'll send it to ya

..Ohhh, right--IM programs were working perfectly fine, then the *NON-PUBLIC* IE7 *BETA* decided to sneak into my computer without my permission and "break" my IM programs...DARN THAT MICROSOFT!

Might not be public but there are closed beta testers that are using it legitimately along side other IM apps.

It will be fixed when it's fixed, if anyone complains they can just switch to a better OS anyhow and this problem just won't exist anymore :)

is there a place to download the new IE7? does aim still work with it?

I found it here, no hoax:
http://files.9down.com/IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.rar

Am I the only person on this forum who thinks that downloading a Microsoft product from a non-Microsoft web site is a bad idea?

No, I agree 100% with you, it is a bad idea.

well... not in all cases. I've downloaded MS Anti-Spyware from FileForum a few times. But for a beta that's the biggest thing everyone is talking about in tech world, yeah... that's pretty stupid. You're just asking to have your computer turned into a paper-weight.

Downloading any MS software is a bad idea :-D

Is it really? Hmm, tell me why WINE was made if everything MS does is so bad.

Actually, FileForum many times is nothing more than a direct link to the Microsoft server rather than a hosted file.

That is what I always was wondering, and that is a huge project with nightly builds that has been in production before I even started to use Linux back in 1997.

This really isn't news that I would have expected BetaNews to post, but seeing how they did. It's beta as was written and Trillian, GAIM, IM2 are all just cutting in to MS's own network to use the MSN messenger's messaging service with out the MSN or Windows messenger, then they really have no reason to make a big deal out of it, however, I would be a little upset that my GAIM wouldn't work (if I still used it and MSN which I don't). IE7 is in NON public beta and any bugs or problems with comparability shouldn't be brought up, as it will only hurt the company's reputation.
Or it might be like the movie 'Purpose' where 'Digital Dreams' had bad press and it was still good to get the name out no matter what the outcome was.

"Or it might be like the movie 'Purpose' where 'Digital Dreams' had bad press and it was still good to get the name out no matter what the outcome was."

True, but I don't that's likely here. If people don't know about Microsoft, they must have been living in a cave somewhere for the past 20 years.

In this case, I think no press is better than bad press.

I have read your comments in dismaye ,surly it should be the consumer that shoulf be protected ,!badley compiled software secondley nothing should be brought on the market world wide ,people are fed up with get rich price charges , when will we see and o s that realy dose work with out all the problems we getas for the company it seem you think more of then than the consumer, and i add the fact ,we dont but companys dont exsist

wow.... umm... I have no idea what you were trying to say... It's really hard to understand your grammar, but I think I decoded a huge anti-MS sentiment from all of it. Is that right?

What was this person trying to say. I counldn't read it.

He says:

It should not be any company but the end-user who is protected against badly compiled software.

When will we see an OS that does work without any problem?

Then he adds that a commentator, to whom he refers, holds the companies obviously in more esteem than the consumers. He doesn't appreciate this.

That's what I understand.

And I understood from a different comment of "mancub" that he has some kind of problem with his computer keyboard.

i will try with miranda :P

That is just plain funny! Great interpretation!

Seriously, we all know that beta is not final release. We also know that, at least theoretically, beta is likely to have bugs which need to be ironed out.

The issue for me is to what extent there are bugs, and what assigned nomenclature should be given.

In my humble opinion IE 7, Beta 1, with it's malady of issues, should be referred to as "Alpha."

You also forget that this beta was not meant for the public, that is why microsoft released to a set group of testers. But again, it always leaks and people whine and whine about a product they shouldnt even be testing as of now.

I have no idea what mancub was trying to say. Collect your thoughts and try again.

I am having all the same probs with IE 7 ,,I uninstalled it but no IE 6 left how do I get IE 6 back?