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Hm... collaboration, eh? Did FF get anything more tangible than "thanks" in return?

First of all, this is hardly news. Who cares what icon they use? Second of all, it's a bar that says "RSS." Big deal. And finally, for the funniest statement I've read on this site "Microsoft says it will continue to work with Mozilla to encourage consistency between browsers." Right, since NONE of Microsoft's sites work to their fullest on Firefox. Exchange servers are hideously watered down (no HTML e-mail composition, no preview frame, etc.), MSN.com can view videos, Hotmail.com doesn't work as well, etc. Yeah, great job encouraging consistency.

Morons, they cna't think of an idea so they steal it how typical of Microcrap.

RyanJ

You are a fool! Like most Americans you either can't or won't read. People like you are why we all have to suffer. You are to sad to read and cause everyone else to live under stricter rules and laws.

You heard it here first, folks... if Americans would only just read more, the rest of the world would suffer less.

Well I say we start by reading Microsoft's end user license agreements alongside the gnu general public license. Then, continue with a detailed history of Microsoft's behavior toward OEM's and ISV's. I'd conclude it by reading the wikipedia article about OpenDocument.

When you're done with all of that, come back and let us all know how much less the world is suffering because of your efforts.

IE 7 was announced in January for release before the end of the year. We keep reading comparisons of IE 7 to existing versions of Firefox and all of the great innovations it has created, like tabbed browsing and built-in popup blocking.

It must be comforting for current users of IE 7 to know that they have a stable, feature-rich, browsing experience to dream about, as opposed to firefox's users, who must deal with the harsh reality of actually enduring built-in RSS feeds today, not to mention having to decide between more than 800 extenstions to the browser's functionality and the ability to change the browser's appearance to anything, including making it look like the vastly superior IE 7, whatever that looks like.

A sound decision and yet another positive in Microsoft's favor. Simplicity promotes devotion.

"Microsoft says it will continue to work with Mozilla to encourage consistency between browsers."

I wonder two things: Did they talk to anyone at Mozilla before doing this? What exactly is meant by "working with?" If the answers are yes and the literal meaning of "working with," thats great, but if everyone over at Mozilla is reading this and saying, "WTF!" then there's a problem.

"Microsoft says it will continue to work with Mozilla to encourage consistency between browsers."

MS did indeed "work with" Mozilla, there's an html link below...here it is again: http://blogs.msdn.com/rs.../2005/12/14/503778.aspx

Cool! Thanks for the link.

That link is IN the article :)

You could try reading the article.

Sorry, school computer, bad screen. Missed it. Do I get arrested? A little jail time would be welcome after finals week! ;o)

Given the inconsistent mess that constitutes most of Microsoft's GUI graphics, it is interesting that they put such effort into this icon.

I am not convinced that this was really simple theft of an idea from Firefox. The chosen icon has been in use for a while, and is the one that people accept and understand. As a metaphor for the activity it represents, it is lousy, but Microsoft seems to have accepted that it's too late to change it now.

Who DID design it anyway? Surely that person deserves a mention in the announcement? And are they not entitled to royalties for their creation? If it was me then I would be updating my CV to say, "I developed some of the user interface artwork for Microsoft's IE 7."

I just took a look at the RSS icon in FF, and I must say I'm not impressed.

Microsoft and Mozilla should copy the Opera one, which is just a blue box with "RSS" in it. Much better then a orange square with wavey lines, if you get what I mean.

I think the RSS icon in Firefox is perfect, best part is so does MS and Mozilla (all that really matters).

An orange rectangle with "RSS" in it is what Firefox used to use, but many don't think it's a good idea. Nobody cares what the name of the technology is, they only care what it does. We don't visit "HTML+JavaScript+CSS" pages, we visit Web pages, and so we shouldn't have to make a big deal out of the name RSS, either.

The orange-square-with-waves icon was designed to represent the idea of what RSS does, and Microsoft decided to adopt it for IE in hopes that this can become somewhat of a standard icon.

Wow, once again Intel does what it's best at : Copying !! Their motto : "If it gets to stronger and you can't beat it anymore, copy it and everything will go just fine." - To ensure browser consistency, yeah right, they write proprietary code on IE and then they talk about inter-consistency. Get real!

What's Intel got to do with Microsoft?

"To ensure browser consistency, yeah right, they write proprietary code on IE and then they talk about inter-consistency. Get real!"

I wouldn't mind some of Microsoft's code to get ported over to other browsers (activeX excluded)

JacenSolo (and others)-- Trolls that are incapable of reading the article to at least have a clue what companies are involved need not waste our time.

I’ve noticed two changes over the years when it comes to Microsoft, the first and more interesting, is how the business is run when it comes to their projects. There is this new group of developers and managers that are much more open, more willing to talk about the projects that they are working on. It’s a bigger deal then most people realize, to say something like “Our years of experience in with HTML in Internet Explorer have taught us the long-term pain that results from being too liberal with what you accept from others” is a big deal.

The other change I have noticed is that there are more anti-Microsoft people out there, with fewer good reasons to hate the company.

Sweet! What's next?

It's only getting better. Soon IE will support Firefox extensions, and drop ActiveX, and stop letting pages install toolbars..even with my daughter's permission, and..

...Oh. No?

Well, at least they're using the FF RSS logo. It's a step, right?

Doesn't hurt to dream, ya know.

True, no it doesn't hurt to dream! I would love a browser that had everything that I get with FF; the reliability and stability with speed that IE has. Cake and eat it too. But I live on Earth.

Some of us like how Yahoo toolbar can be installed from their website. Don't like it? Turn off activeX.

If we drop AX through, Windoze update won't work. I wish they'd use update software like Mandriva or fedora has... but oh well...

Don't know about Windoze Update, but WindizUpdate will work just fine without ActiveX.

You like Yahoo toolbar? Seriously? Please explain. And no, I'm not kidding. I remove that thing out-of-hand on every computer I see it on.

If there's a use for it beyond Yahoo adverts and pop-up blocking (which can be gotten *so* much easier elsewhere), please....let me know.

Damn Gaia-centerist, if you ask me. The Universe doesn't revolve around your puny Earth, ya know.

Man, no matter how far you get away from Quaxiotyl, ya just can't escape the prejudice.

*sigh*

What's wrong with Yahoo? I will tell you why I like yahoo toolbar, because Yahoo does everything, I don't like google, it sucks. Yahoo is better search, it has better tools, I can save bookmarks, I can have links to movies, weather, modifiy to my preference, email links.. Yahoo toolbar works better, you don't like it, don't use. But don't placate other people simply because they don't agree with your puny reasons.

Yahoo is and will be a better tool, all around for everything, been using it for over 10 years, and other companies may come and go, but Yahoo just works.

If you actually used, instead of complaining about using it, you might actually understand, so quit being such a nuisance. You can have your opinion, but don't look so surprised that other people use tools because we like them or because they work better. You obviously don't know or can't understand Yahoo, if you did, you wouldn't be wasting our time asking a stupid question, like why we like Yahoo, Try and you will see for yourself.. Or don't, I don't care.

Hey, ass? I asked you a serious question, hoping for a reasonable response and you jumped down my g**d*** throat.

For the record: I uninstall Google toolbar as well, for the same reasons I uninstall Yahoo on our corporate network.

Next time someone asks you calmly for your reasonings behind a certain choice, you might try responding in kind and looking at it as an opportunity to convert someone instead of turning into a flaming retard.

I never asked you what was wrong with it, I asked you what you thought was right with it. Simple question you'd think would garner a simpe answer. Too bad you're too caught up in your "righteous angst" to see straight, much less give a coherent, thoughtful response.

Asswipe.

How am I being "prejudice"? Your Quaxiotyl is small and very far away. It has a small population and makes up only 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the universe where as Earth makes up 0.000000000000000000001%. I think most of your programmers are on crack or that funky stuff they have there, quak. Maybe you should be offended so easily when Earth is used and not Quaxiotyl. I mean hell I was born and raise on Earth, but I have friends from Quaxiotyl.

Get a grip man.

Haha wow.

That one got to you eh?

(no I'm not Canadian) =p

Why don't you try doing all of those things without Yahoo? It works just as well and faster. You might need another popup blocker, but that is it. Yahoo and every other tool bar are for fools. IMO

The Yahoo toolbar allows for server bookmarks, a feature I realize is offered by a couple of FF extensions, but their slow IMO.

With the Yahoo Toolbar, everything I want is at my finger tips (when I use IE or Firefox)... I don't have to worry about porting bookmarks between the two because Yahoo toolbar is there for me.

I don't have to worry about losing my bookmarks if I reformat.

Another good thing, other then access to the entire Y! network at your finger tips, is that Yahoo toolbar makes an icon appear (can be turned off!) when you have new mail. Not to mention yahoo Anti-spyware, and Yahoo search.

rjjp: Dude, you started off good then lost us with your insults towards PC_Tool. All he (?) did was ask a question, to which you mis-read and insulted him(?)

? = I assume your a guy PC... Please don't shoot me if I'm wrong ^_^

EDIT: I don't know why they gave you a negative score PC, I don't see anything wrong with your post.

Seeing as they deleted my previous response, perhaps I was a bit to volatile...

Let me put it simply:

I asked you a simple question. You could choose to respond with a simple answer, taking it as an opportunity to possibly convert someone, or you could choose to be a flaming idiot.

I think we can all agree which path you have chosen.

I'll be sure never to ask your opinion or the reasoning (or apparent lack thereof) behind them again. Trust me, I think we'd all be better off not watching you fly off the handle in response to simple curiosity.

Extensions in general are for fools, IMO.

But we live in a browser age where... default browsers don't offer you anything. (Opera excluded!)

IE used to come shiped jam packed with features, now it doesn't. Mozilla is the same.

The Yahoo toolbar is a personal choice of many. I agree that some don't like it, and for a time, I didn't either. See my post below for continued explaination.

Yeah, I know your "friends". Those pathetic flur-biting, bug-eyed, uni-heads. How you can associate with such ... it's simply too much to even discuss.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that because your planet makes up for less than .0000000000001 percent more of the universal population that you should have more say?

What quantum-ignited hue of UV is *your* sky?

*sigh*

Some beings....

Oh, you are just jealous that you don't live on Earth! You Quaxian. *stated with distaste*

Yes, I do think we are better for that .0000000000001%. I mean hell we have billions to your millions. Get off the quak.

It's Quaxiotylian, you balding ape.

So there.

LMAO

I dunno. I keep the Google toolbar solely for the spell-checker. I use the Up-folder button every once in a while too. And of course, site-searching is easier with the toolbar.

I can definitely understand why people don't like them though. The Google toolbar is the only one I tolerate.

I have heard a lot of good about the Google toolbar, but I have yet to test it, I really haven't got a use for it. You know my spelling is perfect and all. LMAO Not! I might give it a test run one day.

EDIT: Here you go Wincy; http://www.getmyhelp.com/junk/googletbar.jpg I am not sure if it will be handy or not other than the spelling. But the autofill might be.

Yawn...more crap from the natural born a--hole.

Your response wasn't deleted, it was just given a negative score.

I replied to it with a proper answer too.

LOL! Good stuff!

I know, I know..he's a known flamer and troll....I should know better than to ask a simple question...

eh?

Vulgarity.

Same reason the other reply (when I thought the above was deleted) didn't get modded down.

Had a flagrant disregard for reality that day...

That's my only excuse.

Oh, and I was bored...

Thanks.

The IE team should just do what Netscape did and just change firefox. At least then, IE would be a decent browser (because it would basically Firefox instead of IE).

I just like to argue thats all. No big deal realy. I'm sure the people at firefox are getting a share of what IE makes off of that anyway.

Well done, hopefully we can see them take more of a stance like this and work with their competition to create many standards like this will become.

This is right from the horses mouth ( http://blogs.msdn.com/rs.../2005/12/14/503778.aspx ).

"This seemed like a very good idea, so in November, Amar and I took a visit down to Silicon Valley to meet with John Lilly and Chris Beard from Mozilla to get their thoughts on it. We all agreed that its in the users best interest to have one common icon to represent RSS and RSS-related features in a browser.

Thanks again to the Mozilla team for making the icon available and helping us do the right thing for all browser users."

For the life of my I just don't understand why some people have to complain about everything. No matter what M$ decides to do . .. . or not do, they just have to whine.

Even though all it is is an icon, it is a small bit of co-operation, which should be encouraged.

as has been repeatedly noted, the use of the icon was a collaboration between the ff and ie teams; ms did not steal anything (this time) and therefore does not warrant being belittled (this time). i have no love whatsoever for ms but they do appear to be learning how to do the right thing, even if only by baby steps.

the reason it is so incredibly easy to accuse and refuse to believe any good of ms is their undeniable and well-documented history of abuse, coercion, intimidation, illegality (the list goes on and on...), amaking it hard to accept they actually _can_ do anything that benefits the world at large, simply because it's the "right thing to do".

i don't like ms on any level, but i do applaud their attempt to cooperate openly; maybe the hinges on the door aren't quite as tightly rusted shut as they have always appeared.

Since everyone here seems to be confused ... they did not *steal* this icon, they *collaborated* with the folks at Mozilla and decided it would be best to use a common icon. See here for more: http://blogs.msdn.com/rs.../2005/12/14/503778.aspx

Besides that it is a good idea to have the same icon. Less confusing

no originality...it does not matter if it is an icon or not...with all their infinite resources, couldn't they have come up with their own? of course not, that's too much work...

yet another things IE stole from firefox

Everytime Microsoft tries to use different terminology or conventions for something, people scream that Microsoft is being proprietary and incompatible on purpose. But if they try to go along with established precedence, people claim they're "stealing." It's just an icon. Get over it.

well that is true, maybe they should have written approval?

Chances are that they do. MS wouldn't get in a lawsuit over a simple icon. Other things maybe--but not this.

You should learn to read the entire article before commenting. Also, read the posted MSDN Blog entry from the IE team... it states that it's collaboration.

Sigh, Mozilla fanboy, or Microsoft hater?

Some people take any oppertuniy to have a bash...

Read the blog link. This is a genuine attempt to make the web a better and more consistent. It's not Microsoft stealing stuff from Mozilla you idiot.

I rather see Safari's Icon.... Atleast you know what it means by just seeing it. Might as well keep copying RSS from Safari all the way... I mean it's like an exact copy of the implementation of it that Safari has now. LOL

I'm all for standardization thoughout the internet. Its better for the consumer in a lot of cases. This case being an example of where it'd make it easier for those not-in-the-know.

Exactly. If every browser had a different icon for everything it'd be too confusing for the user.

Who would have thought?

I can already here the unconscionable BS that's going to come out of the FF camp about this.

Let the whirring of the overwound propellorhead beanies begin!

The opposite.

Actually (as a Firefox user) I think it's a good thing. It will "standardise" the icon for RSS feeds and make more users aware of the technology.

Don't see a problem with that at all.

Having one icon common between two browsers is not what I would call "standardization." All this will do is make people who switch to Firefox think they stole the icon from IE.

I also think this is a good thing! And I am looking forward to IE7!

seems the unconsionable BS has already started with your post...who'd have thought ....roj is a troll

...or vice versa. It is "open source" though...

it's a friggen icon. Nobody cares. Get over it.

I say the closer Firefox and IE work together, it will create a more comfortable environment for both FF and IE when users switch over. Basically, everyone wins.

Your reply is certainly not unexpected. neither were those of the myriad FF fanboiz so shrilly squeaking their standard anti-MS fodder all over this page.

So predictable.

So mundane.

So unoriginal.

Finny how they're guilty of the same thing they accuse MS of.

Now, I just call 'emn as I see 'em - and the truth invariably bothers certain personality types.

Your reaction speaks for itself.

Now, there are well thought out and intelligent answers from FF fans here too. Unfortunately, as per normal, they're not exactly a majority.