Indonesia finally realized that Youtube was not going to cooperate with them, that their people were getting pissed at not being able to get to and use Youtube, and that these kind of tactics are NOT GOING TO WORK ANYMORE.

Time for the Muslims to realize that people can speak out against their religion, just like I do against ALL religions.

Also time to start getting rid of ALL of these religions, since 99% of all the 'evils' in the world come straight or tangentally from them.

The best weapon against religion is education. Any other method is just playing into their way of doing things.

I find it upsetting that these websites are required to block anything at all, since it smacks of censorship and people should be grown up enough to judge the items for themselves. What right have foreign governments to tell me what I can or cannot see in the US? Yet, that is exactly what they are doing when they force YouTube to remove unwanted content. For all these governments know, I could be judging the films poorly and in their favor. Or I may agree with some aspects and disagree with other aspects. The human race cannot grow as long as it is kept cloistered from opinions. Opinions bring us all closer to the truth over time. One person should not presume to know better than another to the extent of blocking another's view of an opinion.

Crapdonesia..who cares what they do? What a vile country. They execute people for drug smuggling crimes which in a civilized country would warrant a 10 year jail term. The whole place is a corrupt toilet.

It's better than feeding and housing criminals and making them feel like honoured guests, so they can return to the streets with a better education than many people and commit more sophisticated crimes.

Baloney. It is apparent that you have never actually spent any real time in jail. Canada has an average of longer prison terms than the states, as well as no death penalty, and we have a very low crime rate on a per capita basis compared to the USA which has a death penalty. Even in the USA the difference between states that have it and those that don't is big as well. It seems that the death penalty is an incentive to murder since when you have nothing to loser you take as many with you as you can. Only idiots, like you, mistakenly believe that prisons are a resort. Plus, it costs far more to execute a prisoner than it is to keep them in prison.

The death penalty has never actually been an effective deterrent to murder since the majority of murders are crimes of passion as well.

And yet they see us as living in a corrupt society that is going straight to Hell.

"They execute people for drug smuggling crimes which in a civilized country would warrant a 10 year jail term."

You're thinking of Malaysia. Close, though. I believe Singapore does the same. When Indonesia arrested an Australian drug smuggler a couple years ago, the government of Australia pretty much went on their knees for Indonesia to go easy.

In any case, people in your so-called "civilized countries" may or may not realize, but drugs are a much more serious problem in third-world countries. Civilized country drug problems = whether or not Roger Clemens was juicin it.

Indonesia does execute drug smugglers, I don't know where you are getting your information from.

http://www.amnesty.org/e...ary/info/ASA21/040/2004
http://www.theage.com.au...5/26/1116950814718.html

Of course drugs are a much more serious problem in third world countries, because they are run by corrupt officials and lousy governments, whether or not you care to acknowledge it.

Ok lets just kill all the criminals then. We are talking about low level drug smuggling here.

The second link you gave explains the drug policy better than I can explain, so I'll just leave it at that. I say the less drugs the better.

Regarding corruption and bad government, need I remind you that only 10 years ago Indonesia was ruled by a dictatorship. The country still has a long way to go to have the great leadership and democracy that the west currently has.

Free speech doesn't exist everywhere, simply because you think it does.

Countries that are one with religion tend to have a much looser view on what free speech is and can modify it at any time. China is the obvious exception since the government doesn't appreciate religion at all. The U.S.A. could have been very different without the separation of church and state.

In any case, I find it difficult to believe their are "productive purposes" for visiting YouTube but whatever. A government that doesn't fear the truth will last much longer than one that tries to hide it.

Actually, Free speech exists nowhere. At least not on this planet.

It is not an absolute and never was meant to be an absolute either, but it does exist.

I'm always a little bit confused when I see governments take heavy-handed action against free speech like this.

Generally the content in question I have never heard anything about UNTIL the ruling to block [insert scape-goat here] gets handed down. It seems to me it's the resulting media frenzy that truly popularizes the very thing these ruling bodies were attempting to block, making it even more accessible (It's not as though YouTube, Rapidshare, and MySpace are the only way for people to distribute content).

So by the time the ordeal is over, the government is seen as fascist for blocking free speech, anyone who wants to access the content will still get to it, and millions more are now aware of its presence, increasing the potential exposure.

I remember the reaction of the religious right when the movie "The Last Temptation Of Christ" came out. If it wasn't for them no one would have heard of it. They help what they want to ban more than hurt it.

Quite true. That is the main reason why some people have told the church to just ignore anything that they don't like.
By speaking out against it, they just legitimize the thing in question more often than not.

It's sad that such racially inflammatory individuals who post videos of other text items that do much damage to global peace, can cause even more attention to their stupid actions by getting mass media coverage when everyone else is penalised.
It is just as unacceptable for someone to post insults to all Moslem people as it is for criminals to hide behind any religious front, to commit crimes of any kind.
I'm not a Moslem but would back any complaint where some small radical group's actions are used to form racist propaganda. Such people are no better then the rest of the extremists who cause so much misery around the world, possibly worse.
MySpace and YouTube should be a lot better at reading their own Acceptable Use Policy documents. I have read them,.. racist propaganda is actually a breach of both AUPs!

That's the price of freedom of speech, like it or not.... Its not freedom of the speech you approve of only.

BTW, how is being anti-Muslim racism? I thought that anyone could be a Muslim, or is it just that Arabs can be "true" Muslims? Even then Middle-Eastern peoples are the same race as those of Europe as well. It is not correct to play the racist card here.

Caucasian:

1. Anthropology. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by fair to dark skin, straight to tightly curled hair, and light to very dark eyes, and originally inhabiting Europe, parts of North Africa, western Asia (Middle-East), and India: no longer in technical use.

Yes, "racist" videos on youtube are wrecking the social harmony of Indonesia. My relatives fled Indonesia due to the complete lack of social harmony and guess what, that was pre-youtube. It's pretty outrageous their concern over videos considering the nonsense they would prefer to ignore with Islamist attacks on non-Muslims there.

The problem is, PeteBraven, that this is NOT racist propaganda. What is this in reality? A good movie that points out the bulls*** of Islam, and the fact that it is not a 'religion of peace'.

I'd really like if someone made one of these movies that pointed out that some of the same stuff was in ALMOST ALL RELIGIONS, but I don't see that happening until we have some Christian terrorists.

You forgot about the Crusades. They killed far more dark skinned Christians there than Muslims.

The main reason why you don't see Christian terrorists anymore is that they won. They can do what they want from the inside. From teaching creationism as science to getting prayer in public schools. Islam is still a very young religion that hasn't started its decline in power yet as Christianity has.

http://www.atheistresour...timsofchristianity.html