keeps crashing
cannot keep it up

Internet Explorer? Give me a break. The only "good" thing about IE is that it starts way faster since most DLLs are pre-loaded. IE is very popular for ONE reason: It's included in the OS installation. IE lacks so many features, always behind other products.. I'm pretty sure IE7 won't keep up with other browsers without any good front-ends. Without front-ends, it looks like some old 1995 product which has never evolved..

Give me a link. 1 link, a broken site that IE 7 "supposedly" doesn't work with.

What? You can't give me a link? Why not? Are you afraid that I will actually find that it does work, and you people just need 1 more thing to complain about MS over, that's all this is.

IE 7, been using it since the first beta, haven't stopped using it, works fine.

No problems whatsoever with uninstall or reinstall. Been using previous betas without problem as well. Also, I have checked IE6 function when uninstalling previous betas and IE6 still works as before. No problems with any of the sites which I visit. Same experience on both my desktop and laptop.

Yeah me too.

You will find many of these people just like to complain, whether or not they have something to complain about or not.

Since its a MS product, they like to bash MS also, so ANY MS announcement, will get a bunch of bogus BS.

I don't use web browsers any more, I channel the internet using mental telepathy.

Ok. not only was this clever, but it was worth a chuckle..

Did you remember to patent your claire voyance?

I went out with a girl in college named Claire Voyance.

It didn't last though cuz she could see right through me.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. IE7 works fine on my machine. I think a lot of folks are installing it with malware already on their machines.

Deans:uninstall ie7 beta 2 to go back to ie 6,beta test software using vmware,the safest way.

Can't log in with my broker with 7 beta. How do I go back to IE 6 ?

uninstall it, and stop beta testing software--forever.

Meh, another MS program, It works ok, I like the actual look of it ... Nice graphics and such. It seems to run ok on my machine. Not sure why they decided to put all the menu items (or what used to be menu items) on the right side, don't care too much for that part, nor have I found a way to put my "Favorites" up on the bar instead of the sidewindow ... blah ...

I will most likely stick with Firefox and/or Opera. Both are much better IMO.

I haven't had any crashes or any places I haven't been able to go as of yet, but it's only day 1 at this point, so time will tell.

OK first off when reading this people need to realize THIS IS A BETA! of course there are going to be problems...now my only issues I have come across are that when hitting back it doesnt go back but start over at the beginning have had no crashes and the program usage is about the same it was before...its faster then previous version of ie 6 but you cannot customize the look very much which is annoying because I dont care for where the address bar is... it has a built in phishing detecter which firefox does not have standard (it is a ext you can download of course) the tabs I feel are nicer on IE then firefox

THE MANUAL UNINSTALL DOESN'T WORK

I had to physically strip the program out and run a uninstaller engine that could find its files,and rip it out. Then had to reinstall windows. The program does not work right on many computers,and ters up the core structures.
Mark

Awww poor wittle baby. You must be heart broken.

you think that's why its called BETA!!!! Its use at your OWN risk. Maybe you shouldn't try stuff, you don't know how to fix. Leave configuration to the experts, and stop trying to spread bad press.

There is nothing wrong with IE 7. The problem is, YOUR machine is different.

I don't care what software you have, Firefox doesn't run on my machine, so what? I use something else....

BTW, you will NEVER have to reinstall windows. Ever heard of repair? You should try it.

Do you know how to spell? "and TERS up the core structures." LOL I don't even know what that means

"BTW, you will NEVER have to reinstall windows. Ever heard of repair? You should try it."

There are times you have to reinstall Windows. Don't state what you don't know. Sometimes, repair isn't enough.

Has some flaws in it crashes allot, also hyperlinking doesn't work and the constant forcing the program to act right is as bad as someone's mis behaving child

I've tried the Beta and it can most geneously be described as a 'tribute' to Firefox. However I couldn't get too far with it without crashing. Don't think I'll be making the switch, somehow...

No problems with install or sites - looks good.

I tried installing IE7 Beta 2, which meant I had to uninstall the preview build first. It hung on "updating registry" with a 100% processor usage for like 10 minutes.

Now IE is totally messed up. I can't run IE 6, or IE 7.

Tried reinstalling SP2 for XP and that didn't help.

So now I have a fubar install of IE 7 Preview 2. And I can't install IE 7 Beta 2, and I can't revert back to IE 6.

Right now IE doesn't work at all on my PC :-)

What fun...

Try the command prompt command "sfc /scannow". Not sure if that will check IE's files.

Otherwise your only option is a nice fresh OS reinstall. I had to do that when I fubared up IE7 beta 1.

Manual uninstall:

http://www.jcxp.net/foru...ndex.php?showtopic=6288

Don't ya just love how IE is tied to the OS? That sux in my opinion.

Tried the sfc /scannow and it didn't change anything, and IE still doesn't work. Thanks for the suggestion though.

What would be cool is Betanews Forums :-)

Its not tied to the OS. MS proved this in its case against the DOJ, why do you think the Fed rescinded their IE order? IE is a separate program, they may hooks into the OS, that the IE programmers obviously are aware of, but its not tied to the OS.

In fact there are several web sites that prove you can install Windows without a single IE remnant ANYWHERE on your machine..

Try taking IE 6 off your machine without using some unauthorized third party removal tool. Also try using IE 7 without IE 6 installed.....you are a twit Microspud apologist. Windows Explorer is designed from the floor up to run ONLY with IE 6 installed, so dont tell me it isn't tied into the OS.......

IE can be removed and Windows will still run. That was the point being made.

If you haven't seen or checked out IE7, now's your chance. This is good. Beats the crap out of Firefox. Even the Help File explains some of the old esoterica. Me thinks you'll like.

NO WAY! Do you know how much slower IE 7 is? Plus, it sometimes crashes unexpectedly. It's a beta, so it's understandable, but like most other Microsoft "stuff", once you install it, you're not gonna uninstall it too easily. Specifically for IE 7, I would wait until it is publicly released.

From what I just read, it almost rivals the features Firefox 1.0 had. :/

Firefox actually runs on my computer, so to me IE7 doesn't beat the crap out of it. If you actually like bloated slow buggy spyware infested programs though, then I'm happy for you.

Not saying Firefox is the best either, but at least it's not a b**** to build sites for. :P

Building sites for IE when I don't even have access to the browser is going to be very interesting, so perhaps I will have to aquire a copy of XP. Either that or I'll just have to hope it's gotten so good that it supports standards from 6+ years ago.

u kidding me? memory hog + don't compatible with some IE6-supported pages. Let me know what are the facts about IE7 beta 2 that u liked so much?
PS, how long have u been testing Firefox?

Whoa! Please no flamewars over whose browser is best!

Do you really think anyone is going to suddenly go "My God - you're right - I'm switching right now!" or something?

Not terribly likely.

Microsoft does best when there is a competing product otherwise they tend to sit on their hands and do very little indeed.

So for those of us who decided to go with MS products instead of other choices, then any improvements to IE can only be good for the net as a whole...

PS - I am a Firefox user. I think Firefox is great, but I'm not going to start hassling people about it!

:-)

I am still waiting for these so called "incompatible pages" you people keep b****ing about.

Give me a link. Just 1 link, a single page, let me try it, so I can prove once and for all you people are just full of it. IE works fine, you need to quit going to those off color sites, that's how you get spyware.

Broken Links.

For those of you that think IE is not working, why not simply post SPECIFIC web pages, because I am not finding problems with ANY of the sites I use, so I want to check them out myself.

And don't give me any BS links, like from geopages, and aoluser pages, crap like that.. I want bonafide, real world (American!) web pages..

Quote "real world (American!) web pages"

Does that comment disturb anyone as much as it does me ?

Ask me if I care. Go ahead, ask. I dare you.

We don't care if you care. We just figure that if to you the "real world" means America (and only America), you must be closed-minded and ignorant. Therefore, you are unlikely to state anything of real worth. You're like the middle schooler who keeps shooting his mouth off about how he knows all kinds of stuff, while adults who know what they're talking about chuckle and go about their business.

I know! You must be one of those twelve year old obese American children who sit on their fat a** all day giving everyone their stupid and ignorant outlook on the world, eating chips and dip and talking to your dog (who sadly is your only friend) while surfing the internet and seeing who you can piss off.

P.S. Please go jump off a cliff.

I had the feature-complete build, which means I have to uninstall it first. As of this writing, It hung on "updating registry" with a 100% processor usage for the past 10 minutes. *sigh*

Mine did the same. Now IE is totally messed up. I can't run IE 6, or IE 7.

Tried reinstalling SP2 for XP and that didn't help.

So now I have a fubar install of IE 7 Preview 2. And I can't install IE 7 Beta 2, and I can't revert back to IE 6.

Right now IE doesn't work at all on my PC :-)

What fun...

REPAIR! Boot CD. Run XP SP2 REPAIR, not the first repair, that's for simple stuff, you want to wait until it gets to the part to ask if you want to install a new copy, and when it finds the previous version, you tell it to repair...

A great improvement, I thought, and I can't stand IE, and haven't used it in 1.5 years.

Note: IE7 will render you incapable of logging into a Linksys network device. (Unless I'm missing a modification to a securtiy setting, which is possible.)

No ill feelings about it YET...It is a beta after all.

This is interesting though..... http://abcnews.go.com/Te...gy/ZDM/story?id=1884077

You missed the release notes, here's a possible factor:

"Functionality Removed and Changed in Internet Explorer Beta 2...

Scriptlets—Internet Explorer 7 disables Dynamic HTML (DHTML) scriptlets, by default. (Scriptlets were deprecated in Internet Explorer 5). They can be reenabled by system administrators, changing URLActions with the Internet Control Panel (INetCPl.) The INetCPL text should read "Allow Scriptlets." If your programs rely on scriptlets, we recommend that you use DHTML behaviors, which are more efficient. Disabling scriptlets is part of our continued work to ensure that unsupported technology is deemphasized in Internet Explorer.

ActiveX controls--ActiveX controls are disabled by default in Internet Explorer Version 7. The ActiveX control for XEnroll certificate enrollment was removed from Windows Vista and replaced with a new control.

Telnet--The telnet protocol handler is no longer supported in Internet Explorer. "

Any of those issues sound like the cause? See this: http://msdn.microsoft.co...leasenotes/default.aspx

I'm sure it's one of those, or any host of others.

I was just throwing the warning out to anyone that may be using a Linksys device.

Thanks for the link to the release notes.

None of those release notes can possibly be related to his problem. :p

Why you gotta talk about your wife and my kids that way?

Seems to run a bit faster than the previous version i just hope the back button is fixed sometimes it would jump back a few pages kind of annoying at times.

"On the interface side, Microsoft says it has endeavored to make IE7 simpler, more streamlined and less cluttered."

Am I the only one who finds IE 7's toolbars more complicated than previous versions'? I think they need to put the menu bar back (don't tell me to turn it on myself--look at how ugly it is when you do because of what they did to it, and don't expect most people to figure out how to) and clean up the toolbars a bit.

Maybe it looks better on Vista, but on XP, I'm not a fan.

A little, but then people seem to be MUCH resistent to change...

They moved stuff around, but its not more difficult or easier, its just different. Get used to it.

Part of a new program, is changing interface to make things more efficient. Is it better? Perhaps, its it more complicated, only if you insist on doing things the old way.

Its Beta. You are free to TRY it. Don't complain because some things ARE different, its a NEW program.

I sadi it somewhere else today...

Peple fear change.

It took me a while to find where they'd moved some of the stuff, but in general, I feel the whole thing is a major improvement.

Can't wait until final, so I can hopefully start using it on a day-to-day basis and really get a feel for it. It's beta rendering right now i screwing with too many things. (even a few modules on my Google homepage...*grin*)

LOL. somehow, I knew you would introduce Google, someplace...

I don't have a problem with Google. I love google!

Not complaining, just saying...

That being said, perhaps you are right that I just need to get used to it and then it'll seem better. I must admit that I don't use it a whole lot (first because I use my Mac way more often, second because I'm a Firefoxer).

IMHO, though, IE's interface wasn't their main problem (except for the lack of tabs if you're hooked on their benefits), it was its rendering engine, which they have claim to have improved--I've yet to really test it, but better CSS support is certainly a welcome addition.

If it's a bit unstable right now, but you want to try it, why not install it within a virtual machine?

I hope no one's using their main OS/PC for trying out a beta version of IE?

I mean, I run Ubuntu, but run any Windows stuff via VMWare and a WinXP Pro image, and it works fine. If something messes up, I can always just drag and drop the original HD files across.

Much less stressful.

Think I'll keep away. I hate tabs. Less is more I think.

You don't have to use tabs.

And less what? Less open browser windows? Tabs are perfect for that.

I know I don't have to use them. I don't like extra junk at the top and bottom of my screen. If I want a new window I'll just open one. Tabs are annoying, take up space, and that's why I won't use Fifefox, Opera or any of those other browsers.

Hah! I thought I'd try Naffscape for the first time in about six years the other day, and it installed an AOL exe file on my desktop!! How to drive people away.

More like less features = less memory usage.

Firefox can be set not to use tabs at all. I have it setup like that, and I've never had any of these massive memory leaks other people complain of.

Alright, I'll give it another chance.

x64 support finally... took them long enough. Off to dl!

Why does this surprise you? Evidently, you don't use MS products very often. XP, Office, Vista.. they all support 64-bit, so now they are BETA testing the new browser, naturally it too is 64-bit, so what?

This is ALL part of the process.

The cause for "missing tabs" is bypassing the installer by exploding the install package and running the underlying update.exe directly. If you do that, a component IE7 depends on for the tab UI won't be installed without also running xmllitesetup.exe.

Installing IE7 Beta 2 in the normal way via the installer will not produce this problem.

Why do people try to bypass the installer? Usually to bypass the validation check.

Or to avoid installing bloat. A huge amount of the stuff in those packages is bloat that does nothing important. DirectX is actually < 15mb, but most people download all these huge 50+mb compressed installers that pad your system with junk files.

I imagine some people also want to mess with the installer for silent installations on customized windows CDs and things.

Junk.

-Still doesn't work with Avocent DSView (simple Java).

-I hate how the Favorites are set up.

-Whoopie, it has tabs. Firefox and Opera have had that for years.

-I see no improvements other than tabbed browsing.

-Still doesn't work with about 30% of the sites I visit.

I'll continue to use Firefox. This is still Junk.

Faves I don't mind, just took a bit to find them.

Main issue is the lack of configurability of tabs, as far as what, exactly, generates a new tab. For instance, typing an addrtess should generate a new tab....there's no way to configure that behaviour that I can find.

*shrug*

Also needs adblocking, but.....*grin*

Ad blocking or pop-up blocking?

Tabs are configured in General Settings / preferences, under the Tab preferences.

I type a new address, its in a new tab..

"Tabs are configured in General Settings / preferences, under the Tab preferences."

Thx. Cannot believe I missed that.

"Ad blocking or pop-up blocking?"

Pop-Up is part of IE. No problem with that. Just not used to seeing ads on webpages anymore. ;) (not that I usde it on Betanews...that would be *bad*)

Try downloading Ad-Muncher it does an excellent job on removing ads!

Probably because it isn't listed as the Judean People's front, or is that the People's front of Judea.. At any rate, its not on google.com/homepages/pc_tool/favorites :)

It still does not work across too many sites. Uninstalled almost immediately. (Serious advice to Microsoft: Buy Maxthon.)

Works fine here, haven't found a site that doesn't work. I'm sure they are out there, just like any other browser/ site incompatibility, but my daily use has yet to find an issue.

Maxthon isn't a browser, its a FRONT end for IE. It still uses IE. They changed the interface, and some options.

I quit Using Maxthon, because many programs, like Yahoo toolbar, can't recognize the true version of IE.

Maxthon makes some calls to IE, but its not an IE replacement.

BTW, Maxthon is FREE. You donate, VOLUNTARILY but its not required.

Works so far here..a bit better than the preview I was running. If tabs are missing, extract the install program with winrar or winzip. Then go into the update folder and run the xmllitesetup.exe which is a hotfix and that should get you tabs again.

All of that and you say it "works so far"...? Oh, you meant it works just as far as one can throw it, right? :^)

Sounds like typical Microsoft. If tabs are missing, someone at Microsoft screwed up [again]. No one is going to go through that hassle when many other browsers work just fine "right out of the box."

BTW, I serviced six computers this past weekend. Only one person actually knew what a zip file was, or that it was integrated into XP.

Microsoft still does not get the fact that 98% of all "real" people do not know how to use a computer--and never will. It really must learn to get things right the first time, or at least the second or third.

It's a BETA. If it were to work out of the box for EVERYONE it'd be a miricle.

I can guarantee you the first week it is released as a finished product 4 million tech support calls will be attempted and the support forums will be flooded with people confused what happened and why when they went to check their web mail or browse the network or even look at the D: drive it doesn't work, the same type of snafu last week with the patch for a patch because it broke someones computer will happen, trust me it's MS so look forward to the bomb. So what was that comment about it's a beta and if it worked for everyone it would be a miracle, the whole damn operating system is still in Beta then, and we paid how much for it, how many years ago?

I don't know what to think of IE 7 Beta 2, i tried before and it was not compatible with a bunch of sites... i will probably stay away from it untill it becomes official.

Funny, its BETA. Its not that the sites are not compatible, new features in IE are not comaptible, because the SITES have't done so to make them compatible. Don't blame the manufacturer, because the people haven't adopted the technology.

Its the other way around.

I agree. Too many people aren't bothering to update their websites. It seems that the vast majority of websites are poorly made. If browsers didn't have to figure out all the bad code, they would be much smaller and faster.

poor microsoft! Why does everyone hate it? And now we hate Google too. It's not like they're evil! And poor George W Bush! He cries to sleep every night and imagine how he feels when he wakes up! It's a shame all that money doesn't make everything better. Anyways, it's a pretty cool browser - probably not as fast as firefox as i understand the core is rotten. And it's gona be under attack very soon!

Wow....just..wow...all the negativity! Instant! It's great. It's like Instant Oatmeal! Just add water. Only in this case, just add a**hole.

They are both decent browsers. M$ is just behind on the power curve (as far as browers go). You seen IE7 in Vista? I think it's hot!

Idiot. - click - Deleted!

Was there even anything useful in this rant? NO!

LOL. Damn, that was totally funny. This was worth the price of admission.

Maybe because they are convicted criminals multiple times.

IE7 better be able to pass the Acid2 test this time around. I'm sick of the lack of standards support in IE, especially CSS. Firefox is close to passing and Mac's Safari and KDE's Konqueror are both right on the money. IE better catch up soon. The web experience is really hurting because of IE.

Can someone check IE7 against this test? IE6 is a joke.
http://webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

Dude, is there a reason why your defending MS they have no excuse in the world for being 5 years behind in browser technology. None whatsoever, if they were broke or had some other issue stopping it then fine, but they have no excuse and deserve all the rants/bad press/scolding for it. They tied the browser to the os for a reason and that was to kill all competition. They succeeded and now need to take responsibility. The internet is 5 years behind in technology due to MS selfishness and their death grip on the browsing market.

All other companies that compete with them have to find free ways to give their software away due to this crap. Example is not for profit organizations like mozilla.org has any chance of competing, it's like this in every field MS is in pretty much office, os, web browser, media player, instant messeging. They literally want to take over the entire software industry from front to back and will stop at nothing to accomplish that break laws, hire illegal immigrants, murder who knows. But with their money, they can do whatever they want that includes buying the courts, check out the antitrust suit they won (technically lost but what negative impact did it impose on MS) back in they day, they are found guilt and received no punishment what so ever.

RSS feeds, css support, transparent pngs, add-on site with plugins....

Impressive!

....did you know that the developmental codename of the new release was firefox?

;-)

IE 7 is a huge improvement, i don't actually use any other browser except IE 7 now, they have improved it a great deal against IE6 and it's better then Firefox whichever way you put it, in my eyes anyway, give it a try before putting it down.

I tried it and I put it down. :-)

IE7 still does not adhere tightly enough to standards. You still have to develop web pages twice... once for Gecko-engine*/Opera browers, and again for IE.

* - Mozilla, Netscape, Firefox, Flock, Seamonkey, Songbird, etc

Actually, to this day I haven't managed to get a well formed, 100% valid CSS/XHTML1.0Strict web site to render in the same exact way using Firefox, IE6, IE7, Opera 8.5 and Opera 9 beta...

Web standarts... huh!

RSS feeds, css support, transparent pngs, add-on site with plugins....

Impressive!

....did you know that the developmental codename of the new release was firefox?
(this is "irony")

;-)

Get a life dude did you even try it before putting it down? Loser! It's still in beta, do you know what beta is? Duh

We all know what beta is goober.

The simple fact is that Firefox and Opera Betas are much more stable than Microsofts non-betas.

Hahahaha.

Did you know that you are spreading misinformation?

The first browser from IBM was called "explorer" what's your point?

If that's your belief, then hey, feel free to NOT use IE beta, Newb Goob.

I remember not using Firefox garbage because of the instability, memory leeks, crashing, hanging, incompatability, and crap rendering of pages. but then again im not a fan boy i actualy try things out and actualy use them. that was of course beta and im sure they fixed it but it offers me nothing i want over IE. like any other browser once it gets populer your going to see hacks and worms all voer for it. only problem i ever had with IE. actualy never mind i cant really think of one. Hell even windows never crashs on me.Of course knowing how to use the software is a huge advantage.

Windows 2000 never crashes on me either, so I love it! :D

Windows XP though....careful! I installed an antivirus program once(pre-SP2). Big mistake! Destroyed the entire partition.

It's called "irony"....

i just wanted to point out that they finally try to catch up with common browser standards.

...and i highly welcome it ...life will be more easy for developers of web-apps.
(ask yourself: how long is the css standard out and how long did it take until M$ proper implemented it?)

....but i still think the ie7 promotional site is funny....since all the "new" features are damn old...

it's installed and running nice....and finally i will be able to remove all the stupid ie hacks from the source code of my webpages...since they decided to proper implement the w3c standards...

@KSzostek: "do you know what beta is?"
you?

yep, in the early days firefox was crap...but it's damn stable now...and with the right set of additional plugins it's hot.

P.S. - related to the ie7 plugins page:
Am wondering, if their business model will work...Why buy a plugin for ie7 when you can get the same functionality as a firefox plugin for free....but dude it's your money...i don't care.

Micro$oft show another example on how they can buy a product and make it a pile of garbage, they made it so many times already... They made it soo many times and still don't get it. Amazing...
But this product is good to make comparisons. Opera and Firefox are thousands, if not millons of miles ahead.

Let me guess you hate MS.

Geeezs.

Perhaps you could enlighten me ( a website designer not just html ) why IE7 B2 is so bad?

you mean other than it is just a 6 MByte shell over IE 6 and still has all the same holes and problems?

I don't hate M$, I just don't get how they do their businness.
IE sucks because M$ poison their own product. Because it doesn't comply with the mininum requirements today (acid test, to name just one). Because it render bad too many pages to post here. Because it hangs like hell. Because they are late +6 years and even having so much time to develop, their second beta sucks too much.
Try Firefox early alpha 3.0 and tell me if it hang once, or Opera 9 beta, as already posted, much better than any IE version, ever.
That M$ development behaviour, which tries to melt products works pretty BAD and they don't get it.

I hate Toyota's, I think they are cheap cars and never really saw one I like but I do not take every chance I get to BASH Toyota. Why do you continue to BASH Microsoft because you think it is good to BASH big business??

I prefer Ford's and Chevy's and will continue to drive them. I do not expect Toyota to make any changes so I will run out and buy a Toyota.

I am tired of these useless MS Bashing statements because they don't do what YOU want. Go somewhere else and tell someone that cares. I want to start BASHING NARROW minded people that don't know what in the heck they are talking about.

Jim

ActiveX disabled by default, medium-high security for internet zone by default, and even "Trusted Sites" are at Medium-Low by default now. Same holes and problems you say? 6MB shell you say? Ever heard of compression? Plus this new version is like over 11MB--but uses close to 36MB in extracted files...

I don't think you know how to graduate high school. Business isn't a common theory, its practice, which means people are free to explore whatever direction they want. So what? I don't think you understand free thought, that's your problem.

How do you figure it doesn't comply with minimum requirements? Are these YOUR requirements, or is there an actual list someplace? There is no minimum requirement for PREFERENCE, you dork.

There is Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, Maxthon, Netcaptor, and about 15 other browsers to choose from. One or ALL of those don't meet minimum requirements. They are free to use and TRY. If you don't like them, move on to something else, simp.

Firefox final 2.0 hangs, crashes, sucks, I don't like it. guess what, I use something else. Opera, don't care for it either. Maybe you dont' find a problem, because you happen to like those products, and they will never have a problem...noooooo..

Why? Because you DO hate M$. Just quit bashing to be the elite I hate MS club members, lamo.

You don't get it, because maybe you don't know what you are doing. I could throw a whole host of addons, upgrades, enhancements, and tweaks to my machine, and blame MS. If you change wheels tires, shocks, struts on your car, and it breaks, I suppose that's Kia's fault too huh?

There is no Firefox 2.0 final. I agree with your assessment on business though.

To me there's only 3 quality browsers for Windows - Opera, Mozilla, and Firefox. Opera is quite obviously the best coded - speed, stability, and efficient memory usage. Firefox comes close, and rivals Opera with features like extensions. It's also really easy to mess with the interface, which is nice. Mozilla is actually faster than Opera, which is creepy. It will suffer from the same exploits as Firefox though, and has that old NS4 style.

IE....bad engine, and isn't really optional. I don't care for IE at all. I don't mind Microsoft, but IMHO IE was the worst thing Microsoft could afflict computers with. It costs many sheeple thousands of dollars in cleaning out their computers, so I feel it should be removed permanently. It's also a major force in the sales of Antivirus products. If you remove IE and anything else that by default wants instructions from the internet, then you are left with...all ports closed just like a Mac.

Well, Macs don't seem to be hit by many worms. ;)

Toyotas are definitely cheap. Paired with lasting for decades, it makes them decent in many people's minds.

If you're wealthy enough not to keep the same car for decades, though, then you may opt for something else that suits you better. :P

You don't who I am nor how my computer is set so you're plainly talking bullsh*t when speaking about addons-upgrades blah blah.
Firefox 2 final doesn't exist, so you're talking bullsh*t here too. You (maybe) tested a beta, and if you don't even know it wasn't final, I can imagine how deep your test went, you dork.
When I write about minimum requirement I mean just to RENDER correctly a web page, no more no less. I can adapt how tabs are openned and other trivial aspect of a program. I don't even use skins (themes) with Windows.
I don't get how Microsoft keep doing businness and I already said why, don't need anybody to write for me, dork.
I did found problems in Opera (and other products), reported them and they solved pretty quick, I can't say the same for Microsoft.
Microsoft has 19 unpatched SECURITY bugs (secunia), some of them critical unpatched and reported YEARS ago. They continue patching month by month IE6 (for YEARS now) and the product still is a pain in the neck!
I have to give for support several companies which trust Microsoft and I'm not glad of it. But I still don't hate Microsoft, mind you!

Sorry, but this post is too reasonable to be allowed on Betanews.

I'm afraid you're going to have to leave. Only rabid flamebait from both camps, mixed with personal slurs are allowed on this forum...

;-)

(I'm joking, just in case anyone takes this without a pinch of salt)

Fine Firefox final version of whatever, ok so the version was off, so what. The point was, derelict , is that The Final version was good. Its you, despite what your computer is setup like, that has the problem. So don't go spouting some incomprehensible BS about something you can't fix, because you don't know what you are doing.

Rendering is a function of every browser. you are still talking simantics about how MS runs their business. Its THEIR business, so why are you even discussing it? Talk to MS Marketing, and tell them they don't know what they are doing, when they stop long enough to laugh at you, I will be very surprised if they don't tell you where you can get off.

Your statement is very generic, DORK. Maybe you could take an MBA class (after you finish the 6th grade and get a GED).

Microsoft has 19 bugs, unfixed. So what, so does Opera, so does Firefox. first of all, MS has bugs, they acknowledge, but they don't ACCEPT as bugs, that's why they are unfixed. They dispute whatever Secunia deems as a vulnerability.

Every dweeb with a computer, thinks they found a new bug or vulnerability, it takes time to investigate and find a fix, they can't fix every problem immediately, or whenever YOU want it done.

Firefox has like 12 employees, its easy to fix their stuff, that's ALL they do. MS, has many more products to worry about them some trivial lame bugs that people like you keep comlaining about..

Good, give your support, I am happy for you, but quit giving business advice for a company that makes more money in an hour, than your dumb a** will see in a lifetime.

All right, it seems you don't understand a thing. You are defending the impossible and even showing you don't know what are you talking about, you insist... Well, I'll try to explain a couple of things one more time, the last one:
Is not my work to make IE to correctly show a page, MS had +6 years to show a browser that work as it should, and their last beta is pathetic. Hundred of web pages that render ok on Firefox, ok on Opera and even on IE6 show problems in IE7.
Internet explorer (not Micro$oft) have 20 security bugs unpatched, Opera has 0 unpatched security bugs and firefox 4. You should check information before writing, but by now, YOU write BS, dork (this is not my style, but as you called me that way first... maybe you were looking at the mirror when you wrote).
Mozilla (the foundation that make firefox)don't have employees, is a open source project, which have a LOT of projects, you should (again) check what you write because you are showing extreme ignorance when trying to refuse me. Well, even if "Firefox" (Mozilla) have 12 employees, the Micro$oft Internet Explorer team must have at least 120 employees, and outstanding resources to patch the aging browser, and they don't. There is no valid excuse to leave unpatched security vulnerabilities for years in a Corporation like Microsoft.
About my education, you can rest in peace, I don't live in the U.S.A. and my brain works, pretty well. My education allows me to search for information for free on internet and not to write BS everytime.
Not everything is money in this world, little dork.

I am using XP SP2 (Chinese). I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know whether the latest public IE 7 Beta in ENGLISH could be installed atop my IE 6 in CHINESE (without causing any ill effects).

Microsoft has some news for you--read this: http://msdn.microsoft.co...leasenotes/default.aspx

Was using Preview Beta 2, working ok, now installed Public Beta 2, have lost all tabbed browsing.

Seems faster response than Preview release, but anyone moving from Preview release, be aware.

nope - the tabbs are working fine - for me at least. I'm a Firefox lover and will probably go back to it.... but i'm gona try this out for a while because it looks so cool and ...well, why couldn't they make mediaplayer as intuitive as this?
And I almost died when i saw they have google as default in the search-field!!! But i'm happy - gives me time to write this instead of customising... What i'm missing of course is my gmail manager, foxytunes, forecastfox, adblock, noscript and all my other foxy gadgets. Maybe there's ways around it - if you know so i'd love to hear what!

I'm in the same boat as you, went from Preview to Public and lost all tabbing.

You have to import the beta certificate file. The built in certificates are too old and a new official one is not issued. Tabbing is smth like an addin to the browser if not certified it is not allowed to run and you end up with no tabs.

Venimus, how do I import the beta certificate? Did I miss a step somewhere?

Just a dumb question, I'm at work and can't try it myslef until I get back home to update it on my home computer where I have it installed. Did you uninstall the preview version as stated in the instructions, and then install the Beta 2, or did you just install Beta 2 over the Preview version? That may explain why people are loosing thier tabs. Just a thought. If you did as instructed, and still lost your tabs, please forgive my intrusion. ;)

Steve

If you had read the installation instructions, you would have known that it can't be installed over previous beta versions. I completely removed the old version and reinstalled this one. Tabbed browsing works as it did previously. This is one of my complaints about the browser however, in order to get it to work properly, it required two restarts of my computer, one after removal of the previous beta, one after installation of the new version.

Been there. Done that. Everything good.

Read the newsgroups for help, or you can always, uninstall, reinstall. Maybe the uninstall didn't completely remove remnants before the new version was ready to install...

I like what they have done with IE 7.It is a tremendous improvement over IE 6 , whichever way you look at it.It's more standard compliant and , as MS says,secure by design.But Firefox is still my darling.

Can't wait for the final release. IE 6.x really causes hell for web developers.

crap
we are doomed :P
can i work for bill?

Nope. He doesn't hire losers, but maybe the UPS loading dock can use a new janitor...