gotta love beatanews form full of uneducated middle graders who think they know aht there talking about and who have nothing better to do than post a message about sony's rootkit everyday so they can think there funny. man this site is nothing but pure fanboys who just make up anything without knowinf squat.

amd executives have admitted that cell processor has been their wake-up call(and i think they know more about these things than most of us here), i have not seen such reactions from a rival company over a processor which is yet to be released.
as far as EE is concerned, ps2 has sold over 100 million units http://www.scei.co.jp/co...release/pdf/051130e.pdf and i will call that a success(compare that to 24 million units of xbox) and ps2 was around two year older than xbox.

but im sure about one thing that cell is going to more powerful compared to Xenon/Waternoose.

Wow. My the time Sony finally releases this thing MS will have a ZBOX and Nintendo will have an Insurrection.

The problem as always is marketing. I think they're confused in light of what market they're going to cater to. See, on one hand you're catering to ultra mega gamers and superstar's and their kids who can afford, and will buy a gaming system for over 700 dollars - on that same level, these are the people who have no issues with copy protection because they're not interested in pirating/stealing/sharing it and they don't care if it breaks 10 times because they can just go buy another copy (they'll also be the people who never ever, ever, ever buy used games).
On the other hand, you're losing millions of gamers who buy second hand products and extend the longevity of a devices selling life...the aftermarket per se, since when the PS3 is "old news", Sony still wants to be able to make money from it (like now where they're selling PS2s for 150 and good games for 10). So they're essentially between the devil and the deep blue sea.
MS went the way of, ok...upgrade some hardware but leave it affordable enough so any kid or game enthusiast can save up (at the least) and buy one, lets make some money but not overkill.
Now before you decide to flame me, know that I own a PS2 and I'm not on any sides. Sony is just that kind of company and it's catching up with them.

A ZBoX... :D

Me want Revolution, Me want Honeycomb!

damn..I just had an epiphany...it will be delayed after November too!...damnit. I hate it when this happens to me. =( Why me!?!..WHY!?! I WANT IT NOW DAMNIT!!

The PS3 isn't going to be delayed again.

You are a moron.

Now, now, now... there was Half-Life 2...

I don't know why people even bother buying the XBOX360, G4TV has called it the XBOX1.5 because its mostly small changes and not a whole lot of new technology being put into the machine. Furthermore, and here's the big one, out of all 3 next-gen consoles, the XOBX360 is the first to come out, and way earlier than the other 2. Thus, both the PS3 and revolution have more time to add and perfect. Buying the 360 in my opinion is a very bad idea because the other consoles are most likely going to be better.

MS only has the 360 to offer, the PS3 and Revolution both have handheld companions (PSP and DS), meaning even more inovative functionality. The original XBOX came out after the PS2, and doesn't anyone find it funny how fast they've released another system? I know Sony has had it delays, but to me it just seems like MS rushed it.

With two more consoles on the way, MS isn't going to have that big of an advantage, a lot of people are highly anticipating these consoles and are willing to wait, as it is well worth it.

You are exactly right, that's what I've been telling people.

Remember this:
There are only a little more than a million Xbox 360's sold in THE ENTIRE WORLD as of March 1st.
There aren't a lot of games, and even fewer good games for it.
Call it the Xbox 180, that's what I call it.
Microsoft said they wanted 2.5-3 Million by the end of the year, then they said 4.5-5 Million by May, then 5 Million by the end of June or July. They probably won't crack 3 Million by the time the PS3 comes out with 1 Million strong each month.
Microsoft said they would have 2 Million at launch, another company said 1.7 Million, it ended up 363,000.

Microsoft is a very stupid company.

That's it - Sony's Done in that market. MS already had a much stronger foothold on the strategic future of console gaming, namely the online market and now will cement that hold into a hammerlock. Sony will not be able to recover and while sales of PS3 will of course occur, the critical competitive advantage is now officially carved in stone as belonging to MS. In every race there is a critical moment when one side fades and another shines - this is that point in the console race.

I know there will be lots of screaming from the Sony fanbois but it matters not. Time will inevitably prove this out.

You are a moron.

The Xbox 360 has sold only a little over 1 million across THE WORLD!!!!!!!!! As of March 1st.

I think by the time the PS3 comes out, MS will have 2.5 million Xbox 360's with supplies stocked in store because everyone wants the PS3.

The PS3 is going to have at least 1 million at launch and at least 1 million each month after that.

The Xbox 360 is getting bad publicity every month and the PS3 is only getting good publicity.

In October 2006, 34% of people that wanted to get a next gen system said they wanted an Xbox 360 and 37% said they wanted a PS3.

I think it's now at 30% Xbox 360 and 45% PS3.

I don't know of any one of my friends who still want an Xbox 360. Seven (I only asked seven) of them wanted one when it came out, but now none of them want one.

All of those seven I've asked still want a PS3 and I am influencing more and more people every month.

Sale for 360's are well over 1.5 million, research first, then talk.

I belive everyone figured this was going to happen. It is to be expected as the PS3 is compiled of nothing but revolutionary hardware. I don't belive the PS3 will fail when released, this delay just means it is going to be even more anticipated than before. The Playstation 3 has been the most anticipated console since the release of the PS2.

The Cell Processor hasn't been perfected yet, but STI is VERY close to doing so, hence the release of IBM's Beta Blade X Server being ran on a linux supported Cell. Blu-ray on the other hand is and has been having alot of anti-piracy issues, Not the drives and disc's themselves persay, just "Software" issues. For all you haters out there, no I'm not talking about a root kit.

I do belive that they will have a November release in Japan, and I agree with rijp below that we won't see it in the US until June of 07'. But I do have to say, I can't wait!

I just love how everyone is drooling over the cell processor, no one knows exactly how good it is, but they are willing to call it the second comming of christ.

Reminds me of another technology, hmm what was the name. Wasnt it the Emotion engine? Yeah that was it, was supposed to revolutionize graphics and games back in the late 90s. Was supposed to render Toy Story 1 in real time. Well ladies and gents that emotion engine is whats inside the PS2, and we all know how well the PS2 can render Toystory 1 in real time.

The emotion engine was not the second comming of christ, and neither is the Cell Processor. Face it, the PS3 as of right now is loosing the battle to the 360. With every day that goes by the margin gets larger.

Until we see REAL GamePlay footage, and not some cooked up pre render we really dont know which system is better. When i say real gameplay, I mean a reviewer actually moving the action.

amd executives have admitted that cell processor has been their wake-up call(and i think they know more about these things than most of us here), i have not seen such reactions from a rival company over a processor which is yet to be released.
as far as EE is concerned, ps2 has sold over 100 million units http://www.scei.co.jp/co...release/pdf/051130e.pdf and i will call that a success(compare that to 24 million units of xbox) and ps2 was around two year older than xbox.

but im sure about one thing that cell is going to more powerful compared to Xenon/Waternoose.

The PS3 is winning the battle, if you think about the consumer, and not a bunch of lies.

Although the Xbox 360 is in stores already, bad publicity for it and the lack of systems, a little over a million as of March 1st, has created many people that don't want to ever get one.

Even before it was released 34% of people who wanted to buy Next Gen systems wanted a 360 and 37% wanted a PS3.

I can only guess that it's 30% wants an Xbox 180 and 45% want a PS3.

It HAS BEEN CONFIRMED that Metal Gear Solid 4 was in Real Time!!!!!!! (According to OPM)
This doen't say much, because the people that make it are CRAZY!!!!!!! They try a lot to make good games are are rich because of it.

Lies hmm.. Like I said, show me a PS2 that can render Toy story in realtime, like the Sony execs CLAIMED.

PS3 atm = VAPORWARE. EA the largest gaming company in america doesnt have the freaking DEV KITS yet, if thats not something to be alarmed about I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.(i know this cause I have a friend who works at Tiburon aka MaddenFootball division of EA and they are still working with very out dated hardware and SDKs provided by Sony).

Xbox360 = actual hardware, with a big release comming out next week in the form of ElderScrolls.

Nintendo = The true underdog, but I gota put some money on them. They aint hyping the crap out of their system. They are just silently moving about the waters. Reminds me when the SuperNES was released and Sega got cought with their pants down.

I dont know were you are getting this information, but last time I checked there were over 2million units of the xbox360 sold.

"The PS3 is winning the battle" what are they winning, they aren't available...

I don't care how horrible it is--the PS3 will not be vaporware. It say Playstation on it, so will have at the very least a few million sold worldwide.

I won't buy one though. Never liked playstation that much. Well I kinda sorta liked the first one--Twisted Metal and Tekken II were loads of fun. Yeah, never really got into the Playstation :)

The prediction is this will be June 2007 before there will be ANY PS3 in America. It will NOT be november, I don't care what Sony says at the moment.

Mark it, Write it down, remember it. PS3 Will be available June 2007 in Retail stores, and NOT a day/month sooner.

well these things takes time.
amd has admitted that cell processor has been a wake up call, so we have a console with Blue ray , cell processor and other stuff . Sony SHOULD take time to polish off those rough.

i think it is wrong to compare PS3 with xbox360, why don't you guys compare the specs.

M$ came up with their console before Sony because Sony promised cutting edge CPU and optical drive.

and if ps3 fails at market, it is not going to be just Sony's failure, it is going to be failure for IBM and nvidia too, so we can expect IBM and nvida to work extra hard. If xbox360 or revolution fails it is not going to be as big deal compared to ps3's failure. Nvidia has lot to prove as their competitor's chip is going into TWO Seventh generation consoles.

all this makes me speculate that ps3 is going to be sucessful.

"all this makes me speculate that ps3 is going to be sucessful."

So....you think it's going to be successfull because sony, IBM and nvidia want it to be?

hm....interesting.

I remember the last time IMB wanted to make something successful. Oh ya that was OS/2.

Wait before that there was something. YEAH, Hardware > Software acording to them.. Hmm nope thats not it.

Let me tell ya, that Nvidia is not lossing ANYTHING at all in this. It has been proven that the processor they used for the PS3 is just a hash of the G71 which is NV51 core just rehashed. So they didnt go to deep into their pockets. besides the dev costs are already payed for and they just need some royalties =)

imb ??

i dont think you understood what i was trying to say . if they have made mistakes in past that does not mean that they are going to do it again and they are not the only company that have made mistakes or experienced failure.

as far as nvidia is concerned if u have not read my post properly, i said that they SHOULD be working hard bcoz ati have got two consoles using their vpu(i guess this is what they call it), in order to keep up with ati their priority should be making a point that they have got a better gpu and they have time to do that. if ps3 fails then ati will be stronger in the race to win tenders for 8th gen consoles. all i have said is pure common sense.

God bles SONY!

"At issue is the copy protection technology used within the drive."

Sigh.... Always Sony & their overly zealous DRM technology, which eventually will cause more harm than good.

It's not Sony's copy protection you fool, it's a copy protection called AACS, developed by a independant body, and the exact same copy protection that will be in HD-DVD

I wish people posted educated comments, not just fanboy talk...

Just because they didn't make it that doesn't mean that the developer is forcing them to use it. It's Sony's choice to use it, just like using the rootkit was their choice even though they did not make it either. Another thing, AACS is NOT the only DRM Blu-Ray will have; there is going to be another even more strict protection running on top of AACS which will not be present in HD-DVD.

Blu-Ray will have MUCH stricter copy protection then HD-DVD...for one, blu-ray does not allow output over component cables (or any analog output, for that matter) simply because you can't encrypt the contents over an analog connection.

HD-DVD does not have this "limitation"....

Oh hell, I'm going straight-up HD-DVD.

Not that I plan on buying this, but isn't it funny that pretty much EVERY time, these console makers have some excuse to make the release exactly at Christmas. Then claim their is a shortage so they can jack prices up, due to the holiday and low supply.

They are just making up some fake excuse to do this.

Hmmm... I don't think it's an excuse. Why would they want to risk losing customers to a competing product?

First of all they don't have to fake anything. the fact that they have poor planning and can't meet deadlines is another story, but there is a shortage, and eveyrone knows Christmas time is the time for buying, so they dont' have to fake it.

Secondly, there is no guarantee they can even make christmas, even if they were faking, until they are completed, that's when they go on sale, they do not sit on units. that just isn't good business. They will get their money back At Christmas regardless of when they released the product during the year. Its actually easier to release products pre-christmas, because they can get an idea of how many will sell, stock the stores, get people interested, so on and so fourth.

They aren't baiting you with one month, then springing it on you for christmas, that's just not how its done. Christmas is one of the worst times to release a new product, because you have so much competition already.. its better (Like Microsoft did) to release the product before the main rush, to introduce the product, because people like to touch it before they buy.. you can't do it when there isn't anything to touch because they are out of stock..

christmas time is good for products people already know, not introducing new products.. Marketing wise, its better to give them at least a couple of months to let the market realize their value.

Here's the events after the PS3 was officially delayed:
Stock of game developers rose between 1.7 and 4.8 percent!!!
Sales of Xbox 360's on ebay.com went up between $75 and $100!!!!!!
Many people confused with the information that was already released by others unnoficially.

Here's why I think they pushed back the PS3 launch:

1. Cheaper to make (Merryl Linch reported the price of a PS3 would drop $320 each year to make)
2. Finalizing BD Drive
3. Finalizing Cell Processor
4. Allowing more time to make the launch titles
5. Allowing more time to make PlayStation Network Platform (for those of you who don't know, it's the Cadillac of Xbox Live.
Here's something from www.next-gen.biz

"The PS3's online service, dubbed "PlayStation Network Platform", will sport voice chat, matchmaking lobbies and Marketplace-type features that allow users to download content, including software, implying some sort of digital distribution for games. The online service will be available at launch. As reported, the service will be free."

Does anyone else agree?

This falls under the duh, category.

You aren't telling us anything we dont' already know..

The PS3 being out later means this:
Better quality in games (Not Rushed)
More Games (Probably)
99% Chance the PS3 will be cheaper ($300-$400, because each year the cost of making it should go down $320)(In October it costed $1,000, January it costed $800 to make.)
More HD movies available

And also, let's not forget that Microsoft has sold only a little over 1 million Xbox 360's as of March. (In the entire world)
250,000 were shipped January, and 161,000 were shipped February.

So, at this rate, Sony would have a million each month after launch and it would catch up very quickly to the Xbox 360 and beat it in sales.

Sony's failure to get the console into consumers' hands by its expected spring 2006 launch date has a lot to do with its Blu-ray drive, according to the Nikkei Keizai business daily. At issue is the copy protection technology used within the drive.

If thats the case i have to Agree with PC_Tool that they can get the quoted numbers out because that means that all they would have to do is make the consoles and put the Blu-Ray drives in after the issues are resolved and then send it out the door.

I plan on waiting to see how well the PS3 stacks up against the Xbox 360 and the prices come down a bit till then i will buy a Nintendo Revolution when it comes out.

"Sony's failure to get the console into consumers' hands by its expected spring 2006 launch date has a lot to do with its Blu-ray drive, according to the Nikkei Keizai business daily. At issue is the copy protection technology used within the drive."

At issue is a problem between the cell proc and the blu-ray drive...as well as blu-ray copy protection methods which prohibit output over component video.

In other words...you don't have HDMI on your tv then you don't get a PS3? That's not a small issue and a big fight for sony on top of the cell/blu-ray compatibility issue...

You can have a normal TV, one that doesn't have HDMI on it and play the PS3.

Haven't you seen any pictures of the back???
It's all labeled.

Here's why I think they pushed back the PS3 launch:

1. Cheaper to make (Merryl Linch reported the price of a PS3 would drop $320 each year to make)
2. Finalizing BD Drive
3. Finalizing Cell Processor
4. Allowing more time to make the launch titles
5. Allowing more time to make PlayStation Network Platform (for those of you who don't know, it's the Cadillac of Xbox Live.
Here's something from www.next-gen.biz

"The PS3's online service, dubbed "PlayStation Network Platform", will sport voice chat, matchmaking lobbies and Marketplace-type features that allow users to download content, including software, implying some sort of digital distribution for games. The online service will be available at launch. As reported, the service will be free."

Does anyone else agree?

" You can have a normal TV, one that doesn't have HDMI on it and play the PS3."

I'm sure when it's actually released you won't need HDMI....but Blu-Ray copy protection PROHIBITS (thanks to hollywood) output over component video because there's no way to encrypt the contents over an analog connection. That's one of the big reasons it is being delayed (and thank you hollywood for making blu-ray movies incompatible with all hdtv's that do not have a proper hdmi impementation!)...

I'll wait as long as it takes to get it right, it's just a games console.

Sony knew half a year ago that a Spring '06 launch was impossible. My friend works for Electronic Arts and the company's developers have yet to receive a R&D PS3. Sony waged a FUD campaign in order to slow down Xbox 360 sales. Now the smoke is clearing and the truth shines through.

Sony is seriously leaving the big publishing houses in a bind, too.

Sony hasn't done much name calling compared to Microsoft and Toshiba.

I don't even remember ever hearing them talk B.S. about the Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 sales are really small, not because of Sony, but because, as of MARCH, (according to NPD Group) There have been only a little more than 1MILLION Xbox 360's sold.
Approx. 800,000 in U.S., 100,000 in Asia(including Japan), and 100,000 in Europe.

This is all thanks to Microsoft's ONE Xbox 360 Manufacturer. Also, they shipped 250,000 Xbox 360's in January, and 161,000 in February.

I can't wait to see March's numbers.

They sold well over 1.5 million sets now, do an internet search before stating "facts"

Tri, you just sound like a Sony mouthpiece. Go back to the PS forums. Otherwise bring some game and some facts. You sound like you're trying to land a PR job.

Ladys and gents, just make sure you didnt promise little timmy that santa is getting him one.

They have 6 months. Production has yet to begin. Not only that, but that 1million unit per month quote should be taken by a very thin thread.

Lets be optimistic and say that they begin production in the next two months.

So say they have 4 months of manufacturing which yields them approximatly 2-3million units. I AM not going to accept the 1million unit per month deal till I see it. 2-3 million sounds more reasonable over the course of 4 months.

that means that each market will probably get less than 1 million units.

I AM BEING VERY optimistic with this prediction. Why? Because i dont think they will go into production till the end of summer giving them 3-2months to their nov launch.

All of this will depend on what happens with the BluRay specifications, and that they dont hit more road blocks.

I know i will be one of the guys sitting a compusa waiting to buy 3 machines. Then ill turn around and resell all of them on ebay and make a bundle =-p

Ebay opportunity! LOL

Something funny is that the Xbox 360 has only a little more than 1 million units shipped accross the world as of March.

If Sony makes a quarter of a million each month starting May, they will have 1.5 million at launch, so they defintely can do it.

They also ordered "mass quantities" of PS3's and PSP's from a Taiwanese company that also manufactures PS2's "by Christmas", so they definately are going to have at least 6 million by March 2007.

I'm all there, although F%#^ waiting in line, I'm pre-ordering all 3 of mine, then selling them on ebay

Oh the glorious eBay. :)

The last time a very expensive console that had multiple CPUs and was difficult to program for launched it didn't do very well at all. I believe it was called a Sega Saturn. The Dreamcast did much better but wasn't enough to save them; back then who could have imagined that the giants that were Sega and Nintendo would vanish from the market or become a third place runner. The same will happen to Sony; they've had a good run but I think this is the beginning of their downfall in the console wars.

"Sony will be facing availability issues"

They have 6 months to ramp up production @ 1 mil a month. This is an issue?

"Sony says at launch, PS3 consoles would be produced at the rate of one million per month. "

The key words being "at launch", not right now. So no they don't have 6 months and yes it will most certainly be an issue. When even Sony themselves admit there will be shortages you can bet on it.

Fron the Ars Article:

"Sony is targeting a production rate of 1 million units a month for each market, bringing available units up to 6 million worldwide through November and December 2006, Kutaragi said."

1 Million Units a Month. 6 Million Available for November-December.

Do the math.

So you think that they'll have ALL the issues ironed out, have a complete and ready system by MAY? Start production in May, wait six months before going on market and then release in three seperate countries (2 mill each)????

Ha...I'm willing to bet any amount of money sony will not be mass producing a finished product two months from now, no way...and then wait half year to go on market.

Ars article may have said so...but you gotta use common sense some times...can't believe everything you read, ya know? :)

EDIT:

BTW...even 6 mil across three country is going to cause mass shortages for the holidays...unless ofcourse nobody buys it :)

PC_Tool like i said above, take those estimates with a grain of salt.

Acording to that quote, you are assuming that Sony is beggining production asap. By assuming this u are also assuming that all the conflicts over content protection schemes for the Bluray drives have been resolved.

Neither of those are very likely.

Besides man, its sony we are talking about here. Sony Press Releases are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors to cover something up. Remember Rootkit?

No, using that quote, they havea ~2 month leeway. It's March. :)

lmao...

No, I don't believe everything I read. But when givent he choice between what I have read, and what people here *swrite*, well...

You'll have to excuse me if I lean towards the articles written by actual jounalists, and not comments pulled out of Jon Doe's ass. ;)

I'm just sayin'...

You actually think there will be 6mil sold in the first month of launch? I think Sony'd be mighty pleased to see that....

Across six countries? Japan will probably get the majority...I do think the US will have a hard time finding them....even if the US gets 2 mil...people will blow through that inventory within the first day or two....unless it's $1k.

You can trust the journalists and the sony marketing machine if you want...someone people are just gullible, I guess. We'll see what happens:)

I think you have to be more realistic on this. We're assuming they resolve the Blueray issues quickly, assume they have a functional production facility, assume parts are available in according quantities and assume that they don't hit any more road blocks.

Production issues for the mass product of the hardware haven't even been discovered yet.

If the developers don't even have the R&D kit, which sounds very bizzare to me, I'd be suprised if they can even reach an '06 launch on that alone.

And who else are you going to believe, might I ask?

Anyone here haver the ear of any Sony exec? No?

Didn't think so.

Anyone here have any information from a source closer to the product than Sony?

No? Didn't think so.

So, until I hear different from a realiable source, or care enough to dig myself, there you have it.

Now, if you have facts supporting a later launch, or an inability to meet goals, please produce them.

If you don't, well...

Sa would I, but what else have we to go on? Seriously.

Anyone have a clear indication of exactly what step they are on? Anyone know who will be producing the device and what their capacity and past history is like?

Well, if not, then I guess we really can't argue, can we?

Realistic is looking at the facts, or lack of them, and knowing you can't be any more right than the people from the company developing it. Saying you know better without knowing any of the facts is fantasy and arrogance.

That's fine, but the majority of comments on these websites are nothing more than ill informed guess work with typically very little research or cognative work.

In other words, whilst we can all try and "predict" and look at "exclusive insider infoz" with amazement (it must be true!), the reality is we can only guess, and to my view, with experience in PCB production, assume there will be problems. Comparing Microsoft's production success (or failure) really doesn't mean that much. It's different hardware with different production requirements.

"Comparing Microsoft's production success (or failure) really doesn't mean that much."

Who brought up MS?

"the majority of comments on these websites are nothing more than ill informed guess work"

My point exactly. I'm much more likely to believe Sony than a bunch of wanna-bes on some forum.

I don't have a more reliable source for you.

But keep in mind... Sony was saying they would have the PS3 out this quarter until just now, and they denied rumors about the delay.

Ok, and just HOW are they going to begin production right NOW?

Yah, um good quality games take a bit more time than 6 months to make usually(or alot more time).

You have to relize that PC_Tool is one of those unfortunite people who lack common sense and cant relize that there is not a way Sony could begin mass production in 2 months.

"My point exactly. I'm much more likely to believe Sony than a bunch of wanna-bes on some forum."

Sony: "Hey, our new CPU (not yet completed!) will be 100x faster then the fastest CPU available today!! It will be out in 2 months!!"

PC_Fool: "Wow!!! where do I sign up to preorder it?!?!"

Sony said it it must be true!

I guess paying alot of money on marketing actually DOES work:)

Where's that guy that kept bringing up SONY's study that the cell proc. did some calculation in 3 seconds while the fastest cpu on the market today did it in 20 minutes? What was his name...he swore by that study...I think he had an orgasm talking about it...do you have more then one name on here pc_fool?

LOL, I'm not even going to bother with him myself. PC_Tool is a Sony fanboy, you can't tell him anything. :)

Gotta get me one!

Heres a problem, it doesn't matter how fast they say they are going to pump these units out. The fact is that in any manufacturing environment there are always problems. I'd really be surprised if they hit their 1 million a month mark. I think realistically they wont be able to procude anymore than about 500,000 per month.

Theres no way in hell the US will get 2 mill. I thinking more practically about 500,000. And the bulk of them will be shiped to fanboys in Japan.

and Jon Doe's a** has got to hurt after pulling the amount he pulls out!!

you arent justifing your lack of evidence by attacking one of the most inteligent members of this forum

or maybe the fact that sony has way larger production facs than you can imagine, as they have stockpiled loads of everything else they are already making

True.

Based on past history, things look bleak. I am not denying that.

I am simply trying to put into perspective some of the folks posting like they *know* it's not going to happen. They can't *know* anything of the sort.

Oh you got me where it hurts.

Here, have a cookie. :)

"there is not a way Sony could begin mass production in 2 months."

Why is it you feel the need to make claims you could not *possibly* ever hope to prove? Lack of common sense, or just blind idiocy?

Could *not* be farther from the truth.

I despise Sony.

But that does not mean I have to jump on your bandwagon and claim I have some secret insight on how badly they will fail.

Hell, I hope they do. But I'm not stupid enough to claim "Sony is going to screw this!" without havign at least some evidence to the fact in front of me.

You exhibit more fanboy traits in your blind belief than I ever have in arguing against it.

Wonderful.

Name-calling and rants. Very mature.

Let me know when you have something constructive or usefull to add.

Math, people! Math!

What month is it now?

When did they say they'd have 6mil units?

How many months, @ 1mil per month will that take to achieve.

Now... assuming these months are consecutive and they will not be stopping production once they begin, when would they be starting production of the PS3?

Did you skip 2nd grade?

Always?

Really?

Our plant here has been running for over 10 weeks without an unplanned shut-down, and the one prior to that was due to severe weather.

Glad you used the "I think" phrase to start your claim though, much better than most around here who apparently "know" it. ;P

Theres always problems, obvious from $onys delays since last year. Best thing to do is wait and see, but I'm sure I'm right.

Evidence...the only evidence I have is skeptisism towards a marketing machinet hat has not only been wrong, but outright lied in the past. You guys can continue to believe everything sony has to say...I'm not saying it WON'T be released by xmas with 6 million units...but I VERY MUCH DOUBT it will be released this year with that many units

PC_tool..looks like you have a worshipper on here...grats I'm sure that makes your day:)

no i ment that instead of providing evidence you brought yourself down by attacking someone (who is mostly right) about their opinions instead of actually keeping the chat civilised and only made yourself look bad in the process.

"(who is mostly right)"

He is mostly right because he believes sony? Ok everybody is entiteled to their opinion I guess...we'll see if sony comes through in 8 months with 6 million units...:)

BTW: How sensitive can people really be? I made an analogy to his faith in journalism and suddenly him (and you...for some unknown reason) start crying...I mean...it's actually funny that you guys were offended by that (right) analogy...ah well.

Hear hear!

I have a feeling the ps3 may come possibly by next year.....

That still remains my guess. lol

why cant they make a ps3 and a give a blu ray dvd player free????

Have you ever known Sony to do that?

Are you serious? The Blu-Ray player probably costs them nearly as much as the PS3 itself. They'd go out of business if they gave them away. Besides can you really picture Sony giving away Blu-Ray players, or anything else for free?

The rootkit was free with a CD purchase ;)

Why cant sony make the ps3 without bluray and then give a bluray dvd player separate?????

kekekekekekeke

Sony will come out with this about the time Microsoft comes out with the xBox540 (or will it be the 720, maybe even the 900!! - to much skateboarding when I was younger ;-)

I'm so getting a revolution...

How about a Phantom?

http://www.phantom.net

The website still has "see the E3 2004" photos up. What's that tell you?

It's appropriately named.

lol, I bet the Phantom comes out before the PS3. :D

It was a joke. :P

First Game for PS3?

Duke Nukem Forever, man!

Sorry. Looks funnier now that you say that...

Hahaha, that's rather ironic I think.

Actually the Revolution is not sounding too bad nowadays. Nintendo is in the dark, but have you noticed that they still haven't posted a picture of their input device. My understanding the input device is why they are calling it "Revolution". Who knows it might be something so good that it blows M$ and $ony away. Probably wont out sell them, but will be something worth buying.

Duke Nukem Forever, coooooooooooooooooool
extra o's for the years of anticipation.
aaah those duke nukem days , brings tears to my eyes.

"Boom Boom HEY!" x8

Me too. : )

well now that this mess is over (possibly for now) bring on the latest on the nintendo revolution. havent heard anything on that for moths

The are going to be so scarse, that you can be sure that they are "expensive". More scarse then the XBox360 was.

A lot of hype for the Xmas season. I will wait until 2007 when it has died down a bit.

The copy protection will be a joke. They put more emphasis on it than anyone else.

1 Million per region (US/Jap/EU), is what was stated by Sony. If that happens, then people stand a reasonable chance.

Anyone know what the initial deliveries of XBox360's were to each region, in comparision? I can't seem to find the data.

What Sony states and what actually happens are two very different things. I predict masses of fanboys camping out in front of stores, and a lot of fights and rioting. Maybe it will thin out the herd though, fanboys are becoming way overpopulated.

That could be fun! Fanboy beatdowns! Winner gets the 1 PS3 in stock that day.

I love fanboys. I remember when the PS2 came out. I snatched on the day it came out and sold it for $500 the same day to a fanboy. Next week I bought another one...

Awesome news.

In Europe, we were slated to get PS3 in Jan 2007, now it's 3 months earlier. We also have specific details, like the console will have BD-ROM and built in HDD, Linux kit and dual HDMI connector, none of which the ex-box360 fanboys have in their "rushed to market" console..

OK, so it may cost a little more than ex-box360, but then if you want quality, you gotta pay for it.

The delay also means the developers have more time to add polish to the launch titles. You can bet PS3 final units (without Blu-Ray storage) will be in the hands of developers well before launch (if not already)...

He said quality. LMAO, retard.

Have you seen ex-box 360's "quality" games?

Was in NYC last weekend, and a Game Stop was trying to get rid of used Ex-box360 consoles. One can only assume ALL the current crop of games are as bad as the few I have seen, and owners are bringing their consoles back for refunds. Or perhaps they are consoles that overheated, and MS have refurbished them

Either way, the XB360 lauch has been nothing short of lack-lustre.

Whatever you're smoking, share it.

Sony may have a stronger console for hardware, but let's be honest here. Xbox 360 will have the market for a long time, have an established foothold, and what are Sony game publishers going to do?

Publish the same games for the PS3.

How much better is Madden 2008 going to look on a PS3 than a 360? Marginal; at least when I talked to EA's management. Their biggest concern is that the API's of both consoles are so divergent now, it's going to take more effort for them to write multi-platform. Why? Because MS went more PC-style, and Sony switched completely with its anticipated chipset.

All this means for consumers is fewer games on both systems. That bisects the market, and will hurt Sony, since when they come out, you can expect that the 360 will already be lower in cost by $100-250. Also, Sony won't have the Vista home networking connection. Finally, Xbox already has a smooth system with Live. They worked out the centralized "kinks" already. Sony will have to go through that as well, even with lessons learned.

So in comparison, is it "lack-lustre"? Maybe. But everyone will own one. You're going to see it's the upper crust and fanboys who shell out the $$ for PS3. No stopping them, and no sense trying. Just don't expect as many titles. Don't expect to be able to play the dominant HDDVD format.

Just expect that if they offer Linux-based home networking that you'll need to check for a rootkit.

I thought the developers are still waiting on final development hardware? It's a bit hard to give them finalised hardware if blueray is still causing issues.

And configure /etc/smb/smb.conf on your PS3.

Knowing Sony there'll be a rootkit on there to send stuff off to them, and it'll be burried somewhere in the EULA.

You started a with good points, but you lost all credability, with " Don't expect to be able to play the dominant HDDVD format."

It's virtually accepted that HD-DVD is losing the format war, previously exclusive media studios for HD-DVD have now also signed up for Blu-Ray, but very few Blu-Ray media companis have felt the need to licence HD-DVD. Unless somethin serious happens, it's all over for HD-DVD...

Finally, your assumption about sales of XBox360 between now and Nov are flawed, sales are very slim May - October, in the US and Europe, people have better things to do outside, than sit indoors with a game console! Any lead MS have, will not extend significantly between now and November.

HD DVD may lose and I will not argue that. I will, however, argue that Sony will not produce any kind of quality other than low. I am not saying that MS has or will do any better. Sony does have the better video company creating the chips, but I don't feel that Sony will put it together right.

uh.. no he didn't...

"My friend works for Electronic Arts and the company's developers have yet to receive a R&D PS3."

If you read my comments above you'd see I also said I'd be suprised if this was true.

Also, blueray is causing issues.

Retard?

Um, my reply had nothing to do with you!

WEll you can't compare HD DVD or blu-ray movies just yet. But the market with HD movies will be a critical point for $ony, if they are going to stay on top. Personally, there is no significant NOTICIBLE difference between stabdard DVD and HD movies, so it will be interesting to see if these two technologies even sell.

This is exactly what the system is going to do. Thats what the whole issue with blu-ray is about copy-pretection. You will have to connect to Sky-Net to authenticate your viewing pleasures. And if you don't all your movies will be down sampled to standard DVD format 780x420. So your getting back the PS2 player for $300+, have fun.

You'd have to be blind not to see the noticeable difference Blu-Ray high definition video provides over standard DVD.

AACS is the copy protection that does it. It's also part of the XBox360's HD-DVD bolt on.

Have Fun!!

Well my question to you would be what have you seen to compare the two? You can already see HD movies at home. Terminator 2 Extreme edition has it in HD, I hooked it up to my HDTV via the BUILT IN (so its directly from the PC to the TV, no extra cables that lower the quality) VGA to my TV (50" so you figure it be even better for HD). And swaped between the regular DVD and the HD version by simply switching inputs (the set comes with 2 CDs , standard on DVD player, and HD off PC). Unless your going to tell me I hooked it up incorrectly with my blind eyes you won't have me convinced. I didn't see any significant difference, not enough to rush out and buy HD movies when they come out in 2 weeks. Although let me point out that my DVD player up scales to 720p/1080i since its a $ony HDMI player, but then if HDMI is comparable to HD why bother with HD movies? . The new technology is good, but you can't say its jaw droping.

This article is VERY FUNNY. BEfore I post it, let me say do your F$*%K&N research before opening your mouth. Anyhoots, you'll love this article because its PRO-Blu-ray (for all you $ony fanboys ... Mark). Whats even funnier about it, is that it states these facts as a positive thing for blu-ray, I don't think an uplink to Sky-Net is a good thing, you decide.

Heres the site.

http://arstechnica.com/n...post/20050810-5194.html

Of particular interest is this "Blu-ray's latest additions in the security department build upon AACS, and give Blu-ray the appearance of being more secure. BD+ is a dynamic encryption scheme that allows for changing encryption schemes midstream."

The midstream changes occur through your link to Sky-Net. Yes, like you said its AACS approved, but this is in ADDITION to AACS standards

Word of advice to any of you taking this blu-crap technology seriously. Do some research on "ROM-Mark" and BD+, and concider twice the lack of privacy to the consumer that it requires. As flanque stated above $ony did the same thing with "rootkit" so look into it as well.

So I'll say it again. PS3 owners are going to get the same PS2 player (after down scaling) if they dont link to Sky-Net and have an HDMI connection to their HDTV (seperate issue that affects both HD DVD and blu-ray).

HAVE FUN!!!

Your 50" TV is 1080p HDTV compliant, perhaps ?
Terminator 2 EE has WMV9 HD AFAIK which is far from good and surely worse than H.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10) Codec.

it will be hacked soon after. as well as suffering from compatability issues/ overheating/ bad capacitor issues.

Ofcourse my TV is 1028p, otherwise I wouldn't bother posting this.

With Terminator 2 Extreme Edition if you don't download every single patch that the Windows Media HD disc asks you to then you will only get standard definition video. One of these patches requires you to have Internet Explorer set as your default browser to download an ActiveX control. If you have another browser set as your default browser, such as Mozilla Firefox, you won't get this update and you will get standard definition video.

... I got the patches, and also used the interactive player that the HD movie came with. When you run the program, it promps you for the patches.

Big deal...

More Sony implosion. This is like gawking at a roadside accident... you have to watch.

I'll wait for the product before deciding it's an "implosion." It better be a helluva product, tho.

Why is it an implosion? They are launching their console in all regions before Xmas, that's not an implosion.

Japan was scheduled for June 2006, USA was scheduled for Nov 2006, Europe was Jan 2007.

Only Japan release has bee put back, everyone else's are the same as before, or in the case of Europe, sooner.

except...good luck trying to get one anytime before mid 2007...:)

Um, we were suppose to get it in MAY 2006 not NOV.

LOL, yeah try getting one though. Even if they do make the November date (which I doubt) they will be in very short supply.

Exactly, this is a delay and many sites and all the fanboys are trying to put a positive spin on it, like this is fantastic news or something.

May/June was Japan, USA was later (Nov), Finally Europe early 2007.

How much you want to bet it won't be out until on or after Christmas?

According to Ars, they will be putting out ~1 mil units a month. They have more than 6 months to build up their stockpile.

How does this equate to a short supply in your world?

How do you get 6 months when it won't even be launching until November (if there are no more delays). Read the article again and this time read it more carefully. The 1 million units a month will be at launch time, not starting now.

"Sony is targeting a production rate of 1 million units a month for each market, bringing available units up to 6 million worldwide through November and December 2006, Kutaragi said.

6 million units. 1 million a month. hmm....

Sorry I did the math.

Sony is targeting != Sony will have

Sorry, I did the reality.

And you know this based on concrete knowledge no-one else has, or wild guesses?

Though so.

You have an interesting definition of reality.

It is very common place for the production prediction to be greater than the production reality.

He's got history to back him while you have the sony marketing machine to back you...hm...who will be right

How do Japans dates get put back, and not the rest of the world? Don't they start production at the same time, regardless of which region they are going to?

Production has started?

Well lets do simple math then as fanboy Tool stated above. Lets say ...

Nov/Dec is Japan, USA is later (May) 2007, Finally Europe late 2007.

And we are to assume there wont be any more delays? Somehow I'm doubting this, push all the dates over atleast a month and $ony wont have a good market for the holiday season, and this will hurt them bad.

Whats funny is that fanboys proclaim that PS3 is not being rushed (therfore more stability, better games, blah, blah) , and to me it looks like it is. I won't be surprised if these systems are glitched just like 360 FIRST gen was.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. All I am saying, is that right now, no-one can predict that they will do better or worse than they claim they can do.

Of course, that does not mean that they *will* do better or worse, just that we cann't sit here saying, "Oh, it'll be delayed until after Christmas, you idiots!", because the information to back up such a claim simply isn't there.

I never said it wasn't. I just don't claim to have information discounting their claims in front of me, and thus am not willing to discount it quite yet.

It's March.

We're talking available units for November December.

Please try and keep up.

Duh, what else would I be talking about? Your talking about 6 million units by that time, and obviously if you did the math thats asuming production has started. So i ask again, has production started?