A bit late as I've practically rid myself of the need for desktop email clients.

Ho hum...not really exciting either way. Half the folks I deal with could not tell me what email program they use without opening it and reading the title bar anyway. For those that know enough about the machine to be able to answer that question, it is probably a moot point anyway as they know enough to use Thunderbird, or TheBat, or something besides Outlook express. I recommend Outlook for those that use exchange server (as the open source alternatives for an exchange client are not quite there yet) but always recommend an after-market spam solution (I hate Spam by Sunbelt software is good).

As for the Live mail desktop, I am not warm and fuzzy about it but that is just because I am paranoid of the black helicopters coming to pick me up for thinking negative thoughts about the government.

I'll keep Kontact for now =)

Windows Mail feels very bulky, but it has potential.

Live needs serious help if it's going anywhere. Right now, in any incantation, it's immature and just not ready for business or personal use compared to the hundreds of other services that do essentially the same thing.

I hope it works better than IE Express, like importing saved ieXpress folders from a previous install. 9 times out of 10 the stupid program won't recognize or inport its own saved folders.

And I don't need anyone telling me I don't know how to use it, it doesn't know how to use itself.

Bring it on!

MS haters...p*iss off! And keep using Linux, Eudora, Opera, OpenOffice etc. Keep your mouth shut and don´t come here parading your c*rap!!!!

Or in my case, Thunderbird ;)

Someone hit a nerve?

Sounds like someone did more than hit a nerve. I'd guess brain injury.

Probably fatal.

Oh well.

Another brilliant troll from the Microspud lunatic fringe. BTW I use T-bird which has had spell check since it's inception, can you say that about Outlook (if you dont have Office installed) or Outlook Express? No? Perhaps you should be the one to close his pie hole.

There are people like you on either side of the Microsoft vs Linux thing. All of you make me sick. They are software programs for goodness sakes. I think there are much more important things to be arguing about....don't you?

Hrm where did we see this about a 2 weeks ago? :P

you failed to mention the adverts displayed in live Mail Desktop...

.. Pocket IE doesn't work with BN (comment moved)

Tons of people are getting confused here.

A program called "Windows Mail" will be included in Windows Vista.

"Windows Live Mail Desktop" will be a free BUT SEPARATE download. When installed on Vista, it will replace "Windows Mail" just like MSN Messenger replaces Windows Messenger today.

Windows Live Mail Desktop?

I really wish they would quit putting such long names on applications.

For crying out loud call it "Microsoft Mail" or "Outlook lite" or "Windows Mail".

Same with office applications.

The old name: Microsoft Word.
The new name: Microsoft Office Word 2003.

Why? Long names stink.

i agree.

Actually, I like the office products including Office in the name, since a lot of people seem to confuse Office and Windows all the time. Other than that I agree. -- I think Windows Mail would suffice.

will i be able to remove this from vista along with wmp and ie, like i did with my xp???

"Windows Mail in Vista will not be replaced before the new operating ships later this year". Read the whole article please.

read his question again please. He asked if he could remove the email client, not if it was going to be replaced. pay more attention. and in responce to the question asked i assume that like outlook in xp that you should be able to get rid of it.

Anybody used this?

I have Outlook, but I have always preferred to use Outlook Express, which I use to sweep several email accounts using POP3 and IMAP. This includes a Hotmail account, but that isn't my primary account.

Will the new email client be able to sweep other mail accounts? That's my main concern. Anybody tried it?

Well, Windows Mail in Vista is definately in improvement over OE, and it's still in Beta.

I just really wish I could find that option to "Thread" the emails. (Like a forum, or Google's Conversation style) I know it's gotta be in there somewhere....it just makes too much damn sense to leave out.

(Removed MS fanboy flamebait)

threading, you mean like journal in Outlook?

You want threading, use a real email client...

It hasn't been released to the public yet. I hope it's soon though. =)

Well, I'm just saying, I wouldn't mind if Windows mail became *gasp* a real email client.

Hey, I'm too lazy to look right now, how do you enable journaling in Outlook 2k3?

Sounds like a pretty good plan.

OH NO!!! I can't believe MS hasn't learned the lesson! Lawsuits will start spreading like cancer cells!

Should they be sued? IMO hel! no, not while Dell, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, and Acer continue to bundle Sun Microsystems, AOL, RealOne, Mcafee, Norton, and InterVideo continue to bundle software on Windows-based PC's. MS knows it will be sued by at least two of those companies, though, and MS will initially lose, as it always has. Sure, they will eventually win, but that's the point, wound MS into nearly bleeding to death, then courts will finally overturn in Microsoft's favor--but only after they nearly bled to death.

OK I'm biased. I'm sure Fewt will come flame me as he always does. I know you disagree with me Fewt, but from where I sit, it sure looks this way...

Why would this spark a lawsuit? Its an upgrade from OE. There isn't anything thats changed.

Anti-trust relationships won't stop MS, because they know, like I do, its just a witch hunt. People are jealous, and they will do ANYTHING to slow MS down, even it means being untruthful.

People arn't jealous, they just don't think its fair that microsoft gets to have there software on your computer without even giving you a choice of other software that has the same or better functionality.

You don't have to use media player, IE, etc. Try Linux. Download FreeBSD. Go for OS/2 just for kicks if you want.

are you blind? it says it will be a free download. why would it spark a lawsuit when its not being bundled?

Anyone who claims they have no choice isn't really looking for a choice, but instead they're looking for a complaint.

"Fewt will come flame me as he always does"

Whatever, I only reply to your comments when you are wrong which well is quite frequent.

There is nothing wrong with Microsoft updating their email client. I wouldn't consider this a problem unless it gets bolted to the OS with no uninstaller.

Honestly, go to Best Buy, CompUSA, or anywhere the average consumer shops and find some choices.

There are only two.

Microsoft, and Apple.

There's only choice if you are a geek.

"Sounds" wonderful and I'll definitely try it, but it won't tear me away from Gmail.

I guess you like a company that sends you ads depending what is written in your e-mail. I don't like it when a company reads my e-mail, that is why I don't use gmail any more.

Gmail isn't a client, its a web email. this is a client that sits on Vista, so its portable email, rather than web accessible. You can still use Gmail, you can simply make a copy of your gmail via pop3, and download to your machine.

You are right: there's a employee at Google who reads the messages you get from your secret Russian bride and insert relevant ads next to it. Be afraid!

Even though that was a stupid response. Google does read and store your e-mail (even if you delete it). Look at there desktop search they keep your data on their server for 2 months

Gmail is a client. That it lacks local storage does nothing to negate this.

Man, google must have ALOT of employees to read all the email that come over on gmail. I didn't know they did that.....thanks, i guess i will start using monopolysofts hotmail.

Actually it was pretty funny LOL

Read:

WAAH WAAH WAAH

BIG BROTHER

WAAH WAAH WAAH

no matter what email service you use, your email is going to be read. for instance did you know that if your email service offers spam blocking, such as peoplepc, they are "reading" your email to see if it contains key words that usually indicate spam?

Ummm... Gmail isn't a client. The mail and interface are both hosted on the server. Ergo... no client.

I thought I would be able to get away from spam and junk mail. Then google goes ahead and puts ads and junk right into my e-mail from people I know. Thank about feed you spam.

Part of the interface and functionality is processed locally with Javascript. However, this isn't a requirement to be regarded a "client."

In computing, a client is a system that accesses a (remote) service on another computer by some kind of network. The term was first applied to devices that were not capable of running their own stand-alone programs, but could interact with remote computers via a network. These dumb terminals were clients of the time-sharing mainframe computer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_(computing)

lol

If you want to argue that Gmail is a client, then you would have to believe that every single web-accessible service is a "client."

You are confused.

Gmail is not the client. Your browser is.

Thanks for the history lesson, though.

Both Microsoft and Google refer to their AJAX interfaces, codename "Kahuna" and Gmail, respectively, as clients. Golly, these new-fangled web-apps are so cutting-edge.

I'll opt for the "confusion" of computer engineers to the semi-literate ramblings of Betanews goofballs.

Ok. Let me try to explain:

Using Gmail as an example:
There's a server and a PC (the user).

On the server, we have the the mail and the Gmail interface. Both are stored on and accessed from the server.

On the PC, all we have is the browser, which upon user request, dynamically loads the GMail interface to display the information. The interface itself is not stored on the computer, it disappears as soon as that browser is closed. I'm sorry. That is not a client.

Of course Microsoft and Google want to call it a client. They're trying to make it sound like they did something revolutionary, which arguably, they did.

Be that as it may, the client is still the browser.

I don't mean to ramble in a semi-literate fashion. I don't see any spelling errors, but I guess that's because I'm semi-literate. I'll take the goofball comment as a compliment, though. I always try to be up-beat. =p

"Google does read and store your e-mail"

You, sir, are an idiot.

They do not read your email. Please refer to their privacy policy for more information reagrding that.

As far as storing your email after it is deleted, you are correct, but only insofar as your harddrive stores deleted material after you remove it from the recycle bin. It's still there, just marked by the file-system to be overwritten.

Think of it this way:

Data is stored on your drive in a series of 1s and 0s. Every sector contains either a 1 or a 0, even if nothing is "written" to it. Now, when you delete a file, the file system can simply mark the sectors in question as "able to be written over with a new pattern of 1s and 0s", or it can go and rewrite every bit to either a 1 or a 0.

Now, which would you rather have your computer do? Take 2 seconds to delete a 1GB file, or 5 minutes?

Seriously, if Google or your hard drive did that, we'd still be in the dark-ages of personal computing.

You want to get rid of ads then use a paid email service. Any free email service has ads otherwise they are not fools to offer you a free service. Google places text ads that are less obstructive than graphical ads and also require less time to load.

I don't get text ads I get Flash ads(that take even longer to load)

OE has a spellchecker. why is that news?

OE's spell checker only works if you have a word processor (MS Word) installed on the computer. OE does not contain a database of words for the spell check.

It's news because OE has never had a spell checker. The only way you could've had a spell checker in OE is if you had somthing such as Microsoft Word installed on the computer, which only supplied the spell checker rather than OE having it's Own integrated Spell checker