My friends in Microsoft have set it to me, finally
if you want a copy mail me at francesco@cyberotecnica.com

I have sat back and read everyone's articals for the past three months. For one, Windows ME is built on the 9x kernal, so anyone that thinks it is anything special is somewhat right but not. Second, you can go to microsoft.com and read all about windows 2000 and whistler so stop asking stupid questions and posting stupid remarks. Just go and find the d@MN information. Finally, the brain is a beautiful machine, considering we use very little of the brian in everyday life, but use you brain before posting a stupid comment like brainware 2000. You just insult everyone that truly knows something

I was wondering how does one become a beta tester for Microsoft specifically with the Operating Systems?
bevo@reject.org

This OS resides in the human brain. I use Brainware 2000 (BW200) and the best features include the ability to coordinate tasks between the two halves of your brain and being able to perform other complex tasks. Min system requiements are: One whole brain, and brain cells.
No command lines to worry about or a slow loading GUI. No messy partitions to worry about or chessy instruction books to read. Some people might need the instruction book on how to use their brain, but for the rest of us I think we can skip this. All you need to is to THINK and LEARN. Now, the things I need to do to my brain...get internet access for it and the ability to o/c it for mad processing power.

This OS resides in the human brain. I use Brainware 2000 (BW200) and the best features include the ability to coordinate tasks between the two halves of your brain and being able to perform other complex tasks. Min system requiements are: One whole brain, and brain cells.
No command lines to worry about or a slow loading GUI. No messy partitions to worry about or chessy instruction books to read. Some people might need the instruction book on how to use their brain, but for the rest of us I think we can skip this. All you need to is to THINK and LEARN. Now, the things I need to do to my brain...get internet access for it and the ability to o/c it for mad processing power.

What file systems it support - ntfs, fat, fat32, hpfs...?
What drivers does it support - win98, winnt, win2000...?
Is it 32 bit only (as windows 2000), or 16 bit (as windows 95 and 98)

It's an upgrade to Windows2000, the pro version is anyway.
It's still NT though, no matter what version you get. So why don't you go think about it?

lol

I think you are so typical of Windows users... they know nothing about their OS though they claim to. "Is it 16bit like Windows 95 and 98?" 98 is a 32bit OS in case you didn't know. Like the other guy told ya, as for the drivers go think about that... Upgrades to Windows2000 generally use the same things

"I think you are so typical of Windows users... they know nothing about their OS though they claim to."

He never claimed he knew anything.

""Is it 16bit like Windows 95 and 98?" 98 is a 32bit OS in case you didn't know."

I like how you put quotes around something he didn't write. It's easy to find problems with what people say whey you make up what they said huh? Anyway, he asked if it was 32bit ONLY or 16bit. I think he's asking if it supports 32bit programs ONLY or 16bit AS WELL. It's a good question if you aren't sure which kernel the O/S is based on. Still feel so smart buddy?

"Like the other guy told ya, as for the drivers go think about that... Upgrades to Windows2000 generally use the same things"

You are the very essence of the term 'waste of bandwidth.' Go home.

You know what the next version of Windows should do? Everything. Every F*cking Thing. I want it to boot instantly. I want it to go onto the Internet and get information for me. It should then put that information in my head through some sort of mind beam so I don't have to do anything. It should know what I think and post to message boards with my opinions. It should receive and respond to e-mails for me. When it goes on the Internet, it shouldn't use my phone line. It should spell-check my thoughts. It should play games for me, then tell me how they went (again with the mind beam, otherwise it takes too long). When I need to type a paper for school, it should type one for me, and fax it to the teacher.

until it does this, i goin to use Linux, cuz if ur 3133t enuff, linux will do all that 4 u. im a supercool 3l33t linux hacker.

j/k, Linux is a pain in the ass, Win2K rules my world!

funny post of the day for me

chuckle lasted about 20 seconds, in 4 spurts

hehe

All I have to say is that people like you don't give the operating system a chance. You do not work with it enough to fully understand it and actually learn to use it. As far as you saying its not advanced, well then that just tells me enough to call you stupid.

That's sad. I said nothing AGAINST Linux. It is not ADVANCED, and that's a fact. However, you can feel free to opnionate yourself to that belief. It is people like you who don't give it a chance. You obviously did not comprehend what I said. And your pretense to superior intellect is shown by your own uncultured statments. It seems you are incapable of containing your rage, and let it blind you yet again.

I ask you this, if it's so advanced, why do all the Linux companies seek to make it more like the supposedly inferior Windows platform? Linux is Unix based, we all know what both are about. They are no more advanced then Windows NT/2000, just merely different. What my Linux fan friends tell me of Linux though, interestingly enough, is that Linux lies between W95/98 and WinNT/2K. I use Linux occasionally as many other Windows users, I'm just not a fan, as many other people.

I and E

opinionate
statements

hehe

for some of you who don't quite seem to get it, eventhough you argue about it. Don't let your anger get the better of you.

For wnowak1 to contemplate: Linux is migrating towards a Windows like environment for one thing. To be easier to use. Windows was like Linux before, where you would compile and code in much the same ways. Why would anybody, given the choice, not want to make their work easier? Linux isn't advanced, it's crude. Why would anybody try to claim Linux as being too advanced? I'm not saying that's bad, but making that kind of claim is a bit far fetched.

On to the open source model: Nobody hates it. Nobody's really against it. But what some of you failed to miss is why most won't embrace it. As I looked at NXTwoThou and deelOts replies under yours, this is the reason why. Neither NXTwoThou or deelOts is incorrect in their assumptions but it is due to this opposition of ideas that can arise from an open source model. Though I feel deelOts is incorrect in saying NXT's way of open source is wrong, because that defeats the major aspect of open source. Compdoc used a quote that stated this idea clearly "Too many hands in the cookie jar". This quote can be applied to many things and it applies to the open source model perfectly.

Nobody's against Open Source models, but most are against the claim of its superiority and supposed benefits. The things I have observed that perplex me are that Linux users bash Windows but constantly request from the Linux companies for a GUI more like Windows. And that open source models tend to unnecessarily prolong the development of any given application.

Also, superiority complexes tend to make others not take you too seriously. And as anybody will know, for some reason, Linux advocates seem to display it a little too excessively.

Hey I'm a user of both Windows and Linux. Advanced in the sense it takes someone who has a vast knowledge of computers to use it is absolutely true but advanced in the sense of USB Support or GUI's is a complete lie. Although I should probably note that USB Support in Linux will be out by summer time. Maybe when someone is using advanced they may not mean in popular features but they may mean that it is for advanced computer users. Just thought that this may clarify things.

Linux is by far, superior to the Windows environmnent not in the desktop area (windows is better), but in the server area. Unless you're a pro and have ACTUALLY worked with Linux, you'll understand its power. There are things that are possible on Linux that Windows can only dream of. For example, remote manageability...almost everything can be done through telnet. Linux will also run faster on same hardware configs. Also, just because YOU don't know HOW TO USE Linux and its too advanced fo you, do not talk crap unless you REALLY know what you're talking about. Its funny how all you people bashed microsoft before...now that your little stocks have gone down you love microsoft.

Another thing, you bashers of open source are just ignorant idiots that have no clue what you're talking about. Programs are made by Programmers and the source code is by far the most important thing when writing the program. Open source allows for more stable and improved code among an array of other things (which you won't understand). I think a dummy could understand the importance of open source, but I guess not.

Heh, you need to put your last sentence in the bug reporting utility in Mozilla. So I can read it over and over again when I try and run any of the milestones.

Open Source != Reliability. In fact, usualy, it takes 2-3 times longer to produce a stable product with open source, because of how multiple source pools must be managed to produce a final product. In a closed source, company, project, the employees are under strict guidelines as to what needs to be written, when, and by whom, and then conformity to other source pools are maintained by managers. Open source, is "free-time" people who do what they can, when they can and have totaly different design philosophies(some are code stability, others are speed mongers, which don't tend to coexist well). Are you a programmer? Have you tried working in an open source project? I'm both, and I can tell you, open source is no piece of cake, the business model can get code written faster and with fewer bugs since its your job if the product doesn't get released, unlike an open source project where you wait forever for someone to get something done, you give up, you write it yourself, then their code comes in, and someone splices the two together making a hash of everything.

Open sources strongest advantage(and the one I love the best) is that an individual, may take that code and change it until it is stable on their system. Usualy, making it unstable on others.

Linux still blows goats.

As far as remote management goes, there are a great many applications that allow you to accomplish this on the windows family of OS's... And hey! You can actually SEE what you're doing!

There's remote GUI managers for Linux, it's called XDM, and it's free, unlike anything for windows that used to cost $1500+ more to get. Now it's included in Windows2000, but it's still primitive and a direct copy of what has been available for linux and every unix for a long long time.

You're obviously not following the open source model, generally any proper open source project has a maintainer. This maintainer is responsible for submitted code clean ups, buffer checks, anything to do with the stability of the product if submitted patches compromise the stability of the product. Think of the open source "maintainer" as your manager who's maintaining the source pools. There is a temendous benefit to open source, if people practice it properly. You assume open source development is different from "the business" model you speak of. The point of open source is to allow everyone in the world to take a look at the code, discover things that YOU the developer did not see, to help out with new coding techniques. Everyone assumes that open source means free, it doesn't, it means better quality product.

You yourself as a developer for proprietary code have to have your code go through QA checks regularly, just think of how much better quality product you'd develop if your code was submitted to thousands of QA checks in the matter of a day, and you get back hundreds of fixes. And you say this isn't beneficial.. I scoff at you.

If open source doesn't work for you, you're doing it wrong!

Have you ever heard of Remote Administration Services?

Just read this... maybe you'll understand:

http://www.nauticom.net/www/secret/winlin.txt

This is nothing more but a biased essay that is poorly written with absolutely no support for their claims. Its garbage.

I’m so glad that you feel confident clicking an icon. Obviously you don't know what you're really doing. I can see everything that I'm doing through telnet. I don't need icons to click, and I do the same work faster...Besides, remote administration sucks when you have to wait for graphics to load.

that artcile is the biggest waste of time.

ever.

It may not take as long to process the commands, but it takes MUCH longer time to actually use an app in CLI mode.

And I bet you can see all those pixels you are drawing through telnet as well. You don't need a GUI or paint program because you can code all that crap by hand huh? Did it EVER occur to you that not everyone can get by with just using a command line interface? Pull your head out of your a** and stop thinking you and Linux are at the center of the universe.

got milk?

Thousands of QA checks in the matter of a day? I'd like to see a poll of open source projects to see how many of them actually get "thousands of QA checks" in a week even.

"Programs are made by Programmers and the source code is by far the most important thing when writing the program."
-wnowak1, 4.28.00

This may sound like the right answer, but it's wrong. I don't know what kind of crazy, closet programmers you know, but most of the programmers i know, including myself, know one very important thing: The most important thing to a programmer is the user. If the user is no the most important thing, then programmers would be as pathetic as is stereotypical. If that is truly the case, then let me quit programming this second.

hohlecow

So Microsoft wants to know what the consumer wants. Well lets spell it out for them once again. The user friendlyness of 95/98 and the stability and security of Windows NT. Make it so you can use both DOS, Windows, and Linux apps and games. Then get rid of all the stupid extra crap that nobody uses or wants. Last give it the ability to use and managed the hardware the OS is installed on. If I have over 128MB of memory. I want to beable to use all of it. Seal it up and call it the first OS microsoft ever got right.

good answer...applause

No DOS apps (get over it)
Windows 95/98 apps a must (this **is** the marketplace)
For God's sake no Linux apps (why would you bother with half baked nonsense when fully finished and polished Windows mainstays are already in place - besides, emulators are useless and create bloat as anyone who ever ran WINE or OS/2 would know)
Given that W2K uses your hardware and memory effectively as does 98, I surely can't see your point on those issues either.

Given your IQ, I don't think you should post any messages...

why would you have even wasted your time on this person, he want's to use Linux apps and games on Windows? What's the point of Linux if you want to use it's games and apps on Windows? Seems pointless to me. Plus the fact that Windows has everything Linux users dream of and a universe more.

It amazes me how linux users proclaim superior technical skills because they use linux and then want an easier Windows to use to work their linux apps and games. Amazing and....what's the word? Hypocritical.

And what's with rayoumand. So much anger in a kid. Or is that how kids are these days.

What's even more astonishing is how a guy like PointNClick would call non-linux users misinformed kids and teenagers, and yet here is rayoumand, who professess to be a teen linux genius. Perhaps PointNClick and rayoumand should form a company for linux hyprocrites. Or maybe not if PointNClick is a member of NAMBLA(is that correct?).

yipee! we teen linux kids need to make all these old people go away. Long live the pirating forever. Don't buy linux and make them corporate, make sure you pirate in the spirit of open source. Some companies want to start charging us for "pirating" linux stuff. We can't let that happen! Criminals everywhere unite! Pirating, murder, theft, rape! blah blah. Everything open source and free for us teens.

damn you old man! You stole my lines, you go to hell!

Firstly, you are missing the real question. Will it be stable? Windows 2000 has come a far way in putting Win9x features and hardware onto the good and now trusted NT kernel. Obviously driver support is lacking due to slow and often relunctant hardware manufacturers... (eg. Creative).

Well as for DOS support... well I suppose you live on Noah's Ark? How could anyone in their right mind want DOS support continued in a progressive new OS? If you want to use DOS... install DOS... duh!

Ok now Linux support is an interesting request and I am sure Microsoft have considered it. Just like I am sure they have considered including Mac OS support too. If you want to run a Linux app, install Linux - if you know how to do that!

I completely agree with rayoumand when it comes to what rramsey said. Windows 2000 can use over a gig of RAM, while windows 98 wont use any more then 128mb, it will recognize it, but will not use any of it. windows 95 had the same limit when it came to 64mb ram.

Win2000's core plus FULL multimedia and gaming functionality, would be lots better.
and definitly the ability to run dos and linux progs
and the improved memory usage
but the extra crap that noone uses, I tend to use, like the Active Desktop

Rayoumand, given your IQ, it should be illegal for you to have children.

Apart from the Linux (and who would want it?) Windows 2000 is everything you describe, and more.

they should allow the os to be skinnable, instead of having to get something like litestep, and there should also be Window Managers, the code for the themes, should be written in XML. It would be alot like linux.

Yes a skinnable OS would be quite cool :) I agree. But at the moment M$ isn't even sure what they're gonna do with the Whistler GUI... so skinning ideas would kinda be on hold at the moment.

Yes a skinnable OS would be quite cool :) I agree. But at the moment M$ isn't even sure what they're gonna do with the Whistler GUI... so skinning ideas would kinda be on hold at the moment.

They're allready looking for some good "skinners" to do that...

That is not correct. They were looking for skinners for Media Player

NO..
I don't think it's should be skinnable. I would agree with Xwindows to be skinable, but with the crazy programers at micorosft, I'm sure that there will be a huge need of system recources, which is a nother reason, that why no one like microsoft's products :-)

no, I seem to remember them advertising positions for ppl w/ window manager + skinning experience, hinting that the whole shell of a future os is going to be window manager based.

Yes, I believe that is correct.

Wait, hold ur pants.. No one likes Microsoft's product ? I dont think so.. Everyone like it except you and other loser linux users that has no life.

I didn't say that I don't like windows, I said that I'd like it better if it would hug less system recources, and I'm sure that every one would like that, besides I think that most teenagers my age, who have some experience using computers,like linux way better than windows, and since you're old and obsolete ("Stupid", I just didn't want to be rude) I think that you shouldn't post anything from now on. But I forgive your lack of knowledge of how crappy windows is.

What I don't understand is why Linux people are so anti-Microsoft and Windows people are so anti-linux. They are both good operating systems, so get over it!

I'm a teen, i like windows nt, i hate the home operating systems, but nobody really cares who likes which operating system. How about you just shut your mouth and pretend to be educated.

No, I'd say it's quite accurate to say that no one likes Windows, ask anyone who works in a large corporation who has to deal with blue screens, downtime, and generally an interruption of work atleast 1ce a day (because of Windows.) However, there is no alternative, hence that keen anti-trust trial that's been going on for the past few years. Things just don't happen for no reason. Just every Windows supporter doesn't see any problems because their trust, that they so willingly sighned away to Microsoft, is with Windows.

And don't use the Linux trump card as an alternative for desktop/home users, because it isn't, and Linux users know it, they just know that given time it will be way better and Microsoft knows it. Why would they be so keen to know what their users want now, after many many years of "We know what's best" tactics?

I can assure you that I am one of the most educated people for my age, and you should go and stic with your windows NT...
If there is a person who is not eduacted, it's you. Go and use your windows NT, since that's probably what you deserve anyhow....

Check out www.windowblinds.net. Let's you use skins in Windows!

Geez... you said "no one likes Windows." That sounds like you don't like it (unless you're "no one"). And for claiming how "educated" you are, your writing skills sure suck.

Angry little boys like you need to work off that energy with some lubricant and a moist towelette...

"...I am one of the most educated people for my age...",
"...*stic* with your windows NT..."
"If there is a person who is not *eduacted*, it's you..."

I can spell, I'm hooked on phonics! Wee!!!

Rayoumand, truly educated people don't have to tell everybody how smart they are. If you have to convince people that you are, then you are NOT. You know this. So stop right now because we're all laughing at you.

Umm that link leads to Neptune, you dolt. Its the internal Microsoft project that died a month or so ago. You do know the difference between the words Whistler and Neptune, doncha now?

Neptune is basically Windows 2000 RC3 with the new logon screen and user manager that is now incorporated into Whistler... oh, and minus a load of services, which is why it loads so fast.

So if you want a dead OS that doesn't do much, sure go download it. If you want an operating system that can't yet even install WinAmp, find yourself the leaked build of Whistler. Personally I'm not gonna waste my time pining over heavily undeveloped operating systems.

The thing that people would really like to see us prioritize ... is the complexity

Ok, that's just sad if windows is too hard to use. I say we forget about security, typing in a password is too hard. Clicking on the start button is too hard, let's get rid of that. In fact, the whole idea of a desktop is too complicated, get rid of it. Instead, put on the screen like 2 buttons. Turn Off Computer, Write A Document (although i'm wary of this wording, document might be too long of a word).. Can't 'go on the internet' (and by that i mean use a web browser and go around on the web), that's too hard also.

Really tho, if Windows is too hard to learn, there's somethin wrong with you. MacOS everyone says is easier, but I think it's more difficult to run your programs, you have to *gasp* go on the hard drive.. or have a program good enough to put itself in at ease or on the launcher.. so, can't run MacOS.

Sigh.. what is the world coming to.

You have to keep in mind people like PointNClick. Who attempts to assume the identity of a linux developer and states that Linux is for more technical people. And yet he also says he needs documentation to operate Windows2K, a much easier OS to use.

So individuals like him are basically idiots who pose as intellectually sound people.

MS is just trying to facilitate those mental midgets with attitudes a simple enough OS, Windows.

I'll be awaiting my troll(s). Number 1 troll(PnC), where ya at? Where my trolls at, where dey at?

You really want to see how stupid the general populace is? Get a job with a help desk or, in some cases, just call a help desk.

I think Gates was refering to the complexity underneath Windows. Like making it less complicated so that Explorer doesn't crash evrytime you close a window. And perhaps getting rid of all the Windows 3.11 crap underneath too.

they need to change everyting about the gui

Ya..
I kinda agree with you. What they need is new ideas, and some people who know how to program properly...

I have tryed both builds, the 1st one didnt wana install, but the second one setup fine, (Build 2223). I dont like what they did to the task bar though, removing the boxes around the programs, and adding fading afects as compared to the "..." although I suppose I can get use to it.(it also pops up like file, edit, view, etc at the top of ie). I hope they give it neptune's features, I realy liked that os, whistler is supposedly going to be the same thing neptune was gona be, although neptune was expected to be released in 2005, I think.

Hey if you have that last build still I would like to check it out if you can tell me where to get it or if you can give it to me. I do software support and sometimes we don't get to see the new software till it's already out and that sucks since we get calls on it and then don't know anything about it. If you can help that would be great. Please reply to this message and let me know. Thank you

You are way off about everything :P

Neptune's release date was planned for middle 2001

i thought that Neptune was cancel ??

-Better multimedia support/games
-No need to reboot when installing a driver or re-configuring.
-Ability to automaticley start after a crash/BSOD using an
earlier configuration
(like Windows ME is suposed to be able to)
-Faster/speed - optimized code
-smaller size on harddrive

-Native RealMedia, Quicktime and VQF support (mediaplayer)
-include TweakUI :o)

Any comments??

I think you're pretty much nailed it the head...I might add...

* A spellchecker for online forms larger than a certain size in IE [like this one]
* A better Internet Connection Wizard, like the one in Redhat 6.1. All you need is a phone
* One word. *OpenGL* It's more popular than Direct3D. Microsoft, deal with it. Put it in Windows and make our livess easier.
* Windows Update should update drivers as well

Mike

ms should buy beinc and the beos. compared to win2k/whistler its like a bat out of hell.......

I think instant boot would be a great idea.

mmaccana, is OpenGL is so popular, why is it that people are trying to creat OpenML(I think), a dirivitive of DirectX. And why is it that every game out there uses DirectX? The only game that uses OpenGL is Quake3 and a *few* others. So tell me, whats your proof that OpenGL is SOO popular? OpenGL is going the Glide route, no where.

exactly

standard ligh sabre or double ended?

Where can i download whistler, and actually be able to download it... or can someone send me a copy on a cd?

Neptune was combined with Oddysey to form Whistlor...

Notice I said WAS, not IS in my last post

Because BeOS is a load of crap if you want to do anything productive.

GL is not as popular on Win* machines, but GL is prefered by many developers. If Win* had better GL support, you'd see more applications being written for it. DirectX encompasses Direct3D, which I think is what you really meant. DirectX provides a greater number of devices that you can control. It is possible to use DirectX for sound and input, and still use GL for video. Half-Life, Quake III, Unreal... all of these games are GL, but use an intermediate layer to translate to Direct3D if your video card doesn't have an OpenGL ICD.

you cant be productive in bos, your full of s***. get a life. beos is the best os ever, without a doubt.

Ok The question is where can I get a copy of WHISLTER!
If some one can tell me where to get it that would be nice.....But if someone makes me a copy of it I'll pay $10 for it!!!!!!!!~~~~~

I thought WindowsUpdate offered room for driver updates? I know on the earlier releases, you had to specify that you wanted driver updates, but now it's incorperated on the main screen. Although, I've only ever seen 1 update on there (was for my matrox video card) and it was a different version number than what was currently released by matrox. Their tech support said:
"DO NOT INSTALL MICROSOFTS DRIVERS"... I think it's kinda a useless feature right now though... you'd have to get all the companies of many different hardware products to agree on submitting drivers, and I think that'd be kinda hard, but then MS could come back and say something to the effect of "if you want to put works with windows on your hardware, you must conform to these standards (ie: submitting drivers for windowsupdate)". I just don't think that'll ever happen.

I could really care less about what standard is used. What I'd like to see is driver updates for older cards. For example, my Sound Blaster PCI 128 still is on Direct X 5 (maybe 6...) and my Pure 3D II is on Direct X 6. No upgrades to 7, or 8 even planned. Well, at least I have the latest version of glide. ;) hehe

Oh ya..
But then again, I'm sure that the programers will add lots of craps to it, so it wont be instant anymore!
Go with linux, and you'll be happy :-)

Ummm if you want a copy you might want to leave a way to contact you ;)

langod.1@email.com I would love a copy. I like to keep up.

Hi
I would like to have a copy of it also (my email = fa18_super_hornet@yahoo.com)

As for the OpenGL, OGL is origin from Unix. If u really wanted to compare OpenGL to Glide or DirectX, OpenGL graphics are much better looking (it support 32bits). Glide only support 16bits (I not sure the latest version support 32 bits or not) More bits means more color..more richnest enviroment.
DirectX is a middleman or Interpretor (Something like Java Virtual Machine). Because of that, it is easier to develop game or use directx in graphic as compare to OpenGL. Some more u don't really bother about the End-user hardware. The interpreting is done by DirectX.
Glide is very easy to use BUT it is limited to 3Dfx graphic processor chip. DirectX is currently limited to Windows and x86 computer. That is why S3 and some other group wanted to come out OpenML (suck..can't remember the name) so it can be use in other CPU enviroment or OS envirment.

That is all
Hornet

I'll pay $10 For a copy!!!! JnCoKiLLa@Hotmail.com

Mail me here

hey i want it too... my email: francesco@cyberotecnica.com

I want it too... my email: cybear@mail.bip.net

Personally, I dont want a copy. Yet. When its stable, maybe RC0 or RC1, then I'll consider putting it on my secondary drive. Until then, I'd rather have a working system, and upgrade when the new OS is ready.

Fire every programmer. Or a whole bunch to get the rest of them 'fired up'. Hire some good, fresh programmers. Then, lock them in a room with a dos boot disk and food for 6 months and tell them to build an O/S better than Win2k starting from scratch. THAT, my friends, would fix so many problems in Win98/ME/2K, etc. There are just too many bugs in the current Windows. *Since each version builds on another version (including the bugs) with bug fixes for bugs, but with bugs in the bug fixes.. Not to mention the new bugs. :)
That's just what I think they should do..

wouldn't mind a copy either. ill pay $10
david@bigdeal.com

OpenGL may not be the most popular interface for games, but NOT everyone plays games.
What you are forgetting is there are a lot of us out here who do work with their computers, and with the Animation and rendering work I do, I *need* OpenGL.
Offical OpenGL support will soon be available under Linux, which rocks, as I will then be able to migrate across to Linux completely (my Linux box currently runs the stuff I need using mesa, but I need certified OpenGL for a few things...), in the mean time I have to use NT4.0...as I refuse to use Win2000, as last time I tried it, on a non critical machine, thank god, it managed to lose the ntkrnlOS file so it couldn't boot :-(
and the partition was done using encrypted NTFS, so it couldn't be recovered either...
(that was with the final release btw)...

so all I am trying to say, is DirectX may be a more popular game API, but for real work it sucks!
:-)

later

cpufreak

If you have it, mail it for 10$
effy_t@hotmail.com

I want it too (why not) my email: zeev70@hotmail.com

i want it too my email is abb23@dr.com

can i get one? romeo45@home.com

you people are idiots.
oh, yes, let's all talk about our pirating so everyone can see?
get an FTP program, & do the work yourself; or just get a cd burner.
:-}
(& yes, i'm two-faced)

Me too. Agsystemss@aol.com

Are you nuts?!! You actually think that Direct3d is easier to develop on than OpenGL? You've obviously NEVER touched either.

I agree. CPUGuy, have you ever used Be? After all of the BIOS stuff, my computer boots BeOS up in about twelve seconds. Not even Linux can claim that. And with the easy to use GUI and powerful BASH shell command-line, how could you not be productive?

Me too. Billgates@microsoft.com

Oh dear. Do some people never learn?

OpenGL *is* in Windows. What do you think Quake III runs on?

"Half-Life, Quake III, Unreal... all of these games are GL, but use an intermediate layer to translate to Direct3D if your video card doesn't have an OpenGL ICD."

Er... no, they don't. Half-Life and Q3 both *require* OpenGL. You can get OpenGL 'wrappers' for Direct3D, but there's none in the base product.

Unreal, on the other hand, has several engines which can be selected. There is no 'translation' from OpenGL to anything else going on.