Come on guys, does this deserve to be the headline now for a week, how about positing "MS Still holding up Windows 2000 andmins with lies about service pack one".. still for release on the 24'th right?

Come on BetaNews, you're losin it.

anyways

i don't have Whistler rite now cuz i'm not a beta tester and i don't intend to download it until a release candidate comes out or a later beta or when some pro-linux / pro-macintosh guy falls in love with it

which they probably wont.

the point is that i looked at the screenshots and i'm hoping they're not done with the User Interface

everyone here is goin crazy over this new UI, as much as i hate to say this, you guyz gotta check the Mac OS X screenshots, now that's a nice UI although it kinda looks ... well ... femalish

anyway, heres my point, i really like the new UI but i'm thinkin they should ditch the whole idea of making it look like win2k.

i like the new radio buttons and check boxes you see in the new UI but they gotta do something about the ICONS, they have got to go. They need new higher quality icons (not too big), have ANOTHER view where you can have an "animated" dock and what not.

Actually forget what i just said, they should make the THEMES section really customizable... here's what they should do...

1. allow developers to change the usual things you'd change with Stardock Windows Blinds

2. allow theme makers to change the look of the login screen

3. change menus and completely customize the UI FULLY

Microsoft should an extra theme themselves which makes it animated like the MAC OS X, the icons way better quality and change the user interface way more high quality clear, menus should be slightely transparent, and a few high quality features you see in the Mac OSX

now BEFORE YOU START USING @#%#$ at me and the @#$(# and the *#$)# and the #*#$ Microsoft should make this an option to install if you want, a window should pop up asking you if you want to install this option as it will take up disk space and run slowly on slower computers but are enhanced for certain processors yaddi yaddi yadda

tell me what ya think, oh ya and that guy who said

"I like cheese."

is the man.

An extremely early alpha or even pre-alpha of Chicago (Win95) that I tried. Things sure have changed since then :) It was quite a while ago, but ISTR the desktop wasn't there (or was broken) and there was only an explorer view of the start menu. It was the buggiest thing I ever saw and it hardly worked on anything :) It was less compatible with varying hardware than BeOS... hehe
From what I hear, Whistler is at a similar stage - therefore I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole just yet! Win2K works just fine.

Well, I'm suprised how many stupid people post about asking where Whistler is... How about you look around this page, as it contains I don't know how many working links to Whistler...

As for you Microsoft bashers: Whistler rocks and is rock-stable.
All of you complaining probably have crappy low-end systems... Heck, Whistler installed in 30 minutes! That's compared to the 2 hours + it takes to get Win2k running. Plus, it boots faster, hibernates faster, and runs faster. And it's stable - not a single crash for me, and I've been running it for days.

Yes, it takes forever to shut down and suspend, but that will be fixed. Also uses 128 MB of RAM when idle and has a lot of debugging apps and code... But for a developer preview, this is one heck of an OS. So stop complaining, download Whistler, get a 7200 RPM drive and shut up.

You're one of the lucky few. For a lot of us, Whistler won't even install -- it conks out with a KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED STOP error. 2 out of the 3 systems I tested Whistler on had this problem (each had vastly different configs).

And for me, the time it takes to install and boot is almost identical to Win2k. I think you're imagining things.

Well copland, i think you are really wrong here with you comments about whistler. I have downloaded the pre-beta and installed it without any problem. Booting time takes at lease twice as long as Win2K Pro. The damn thing pops up numerous application logs as it regularly dies - this log generation can take a minute + for each crash. The shut down takes an eternity too. In a real life use, this current version is almost unusable and i would definately recommend that anybody considering the pretty big download spends there time on some other activity.

There are NO features that i can recommend anyone bothering at the moment. It is just a less stable Win2k with a few features T.B.D to be decided. The start panel may develop into something quite tasty, but the "start page" that keeps being mentioned is a MOCK UP of something that might be!

I know its always great to get your hands on the lastest beta developments - its something i always do, but trust me on this.... Wait for a Beta 1,2 or preferably 3 before even bothering.

UKALFIE!

i think it really depends on the hardware specs you have to see if whistler actually works.

i agree with the akulfie guy or whatever his name is, stop complaining wait for a beta cuz remember this is a very early test version, they have atleast another year to tune it up. And they will the good thing about Microsoft is they listen to feedback...

"Since publicizing the secret Start Panel in the Whistler Preview this week, I've been inundated with requests from beta testers who'd like to know how it works. Well, with the help of a resource editor, I was discovered that there is a third option on the Start pane of the Start and Taskbar Properties dialog, an option that was marked "hidden" when this build was created. The hidden option reads "Clicking on Start displays Start Panel," and the "d" is underlined, meaning that "d" is the accelerator key for that choice. So you can open this dialog and type ALT+D to toggle the Start Panel feature. When you type ALT+D, the Apply button will flicker. Click Apply, close the dialog, and the Start Panel will be enabled. To reverse things back to the original Start menu, simple do the same thing and the Start Panel option will be toggled off." =/\=

how about the start page?

I would really appreciate it if someone could please tell me where I ould get Whistler! I have been looking for it on the net for hours!!

Thanks,

ftp://cyberotecnica.dnsalias.com/whistler/whistlerpro2250.ace

try this :)

hey man, when i try to go to that site it asks for a user name and pass word any ideas? i want Whislter damn it..=)

Brian

to all you warez kiddies, wait until beta 1 before you DL this OS. its still too buggy and will crash for no reason every hour or so, and if a program locks up, it takes forever to write debugging info to the log file.. just hold off till its relatively useable.

Paul T really annoys me..sure he gets the latest news and stuff but the way he flames people in the Beta NGs really sux.

Anyhow...the latest build of whistler is b****in'! heheh make winme look a right POS.

Ross D.
Window Planet
"Window Planet 4: Vapourware Extrodinaire - Coming August 2000"

I got my copy of this build but I'm not sure how to enable these features discribed in the article, it saids it can be done easily. Can someone explain how this is done and point me in the right direction.

take a look at wininfo's screen shots of 2250. the user interface is great. microsoft should keep what it has offered in the pre-beta release.

Its also doing more, such as looking up how often you use each program.

Never loads that slow for me. And I have not changed it from the std. settings.

http://betaxtreme.virtua...et/winwhistlershots.htm

heres a ton more good shots of whistler i came across. considering its alpha/preview, im excited to see where they go before we see betas and the final

is it just me or does it seem like all the new integrated web stuff in Windows is slowing it down. Expample: In Win 98 or NT 4 the add/remove programs control panel loaded pretty quickly. However in Windows 2k, the add/remove programs control panel takes forever to load. Is this just me? My machine isn't the best, or the worst, its a PII 450 with plenty of RAM.

I had the same problem with Win2k but it was because of the pretty animation they put in their start menus (you know how it slides up) I can 't remember where I found the key to turning it off but when I did it ran beautifully.

Believe it or not, the Add/Remove Programs applet in Windows 2000 is actually a fancy web page. That explains why it loads a lot slower than previous Windows versions, where the list of programs was just a regular list box.

I realize that, and thats what is causing it to go so slow. Which is making me wonder whether going that path with everything is good idea or not. I don't want to have to wait 30 seconds for all that crap to come up. Whats next the Open/Save menu?

When i try to load the dell desktop it doesn`t load good anyone already have a solution to get the desktop good??

How about, try getting a geniune copy, instead of a warez copy. And no, you aren't a real tester. Real testers need a minimum requirement of being able to speak in full sentences.

That was rather amusing.

hehehehehehehe

awh you geeks are hilariouos

if it wasnt for the DOJ case, Im sure microsoft would have (or be about to) merge this desktop team and the team who are working on the digital dashboards, as they seem simular projects - both are basically designing simple html front ends to everything (informatio) the user should be able to access.

This is EXACTLY why the DOJ was wrong. You couldn't ask for more proof that the integration of IE and Windows was a move to beneift the user, not just crush Netscape. WHo knows, maybe Windows will allow you to swap the IE rendering engine with Gecko or at least a third party hack will come out that does the same thing.

CAN ANY OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE GUIDE ME TO AN FTP WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD WHISTLER? MY ICQ# 33033318.
TYIA

efnet or dalnet, I guarantee you'll find it there. If your cool enough you'll find the right warez site.

Looks interesting, except why would you want to have a photo of yourself on the desktop?? That sucks, looks kind of lame to me.

Other than that it looks nice, except I wonder how much of a resource hog this is going to be? Hopefully it's not as bad as the current active desktop.

who says the pic has to be of yourself?! It will probably default to a pic of bill in the release version :)

can you send it to Draz51280 on Aol IM

huh? send what? a pic of bill?!? hell no! if you have some messed up obsession with pics of bill you can go find pics of him for yourself!
(alternativly maybe you just replied to the wrong thread?!) - either way, I dont have whistler, and I dont have any pics of bill, so you are outa luck!

i recently downloaded whistler from here if anyone would like me to upload it to them i'm willing to upload it over icq or aim if just leave your on on this page or simply go to this ftp ftp://128.134.130.20/.tmp/.%7E/active/whistler.pro.2250.beta1 and hope its still there either way its definetly an improvement on 2000 and even now is showing signs of "goodness"

can you send it whistler to me my icq24893092

Hey John, Its not up at the ftp site anymore, can you send it on AIM? My screenname is IAboy20...thanks!

Yes please, send me Whistler too. My AIM username is kam1kaz33.

Cheers

I got to the FTP site, and got the first file, but then the rest were "access denied".

Can you please send them to me via AIM at user "Menkalos"? Thanks a lot.

can you send me a copy of whistler, my ICQ number is,

25730950

My AIM is troedom, please send it to me...

please send me whistler over icq 24893092

Never the less, does anyone know where I can download it?

Hey John, Its not up at the ftp site anymore, can you send it on AIM? My screenname is IAboy20...thanks!

I like cheese.

Me Too

really cuz i hate cheeze

thas really interesting anyway we don't really care moron

How do you get these features to work??

Whistler is not in Beta yet! its still alpha or earlyer, the build# 2250 is a devolper preview! and is much less stable then a beta. plus it is extreamly filled with memory leaks everywere, I cannot begin to describe, I wouldn't recommend anyone using any version of whistler yet.

thanks :)

I agree. I tried it and found it was EXTREMELY slow and sluggish. I have Win2k Pro (which is what this release is built on, the setup program even SAYS Windows 2000 Professional)... and Win2k has NEVER run this poorly for me.

Final version will probably be nice, but downloading this release just isn't worth the trouble.

Just so everyone knows, Paul "Kiss Ass" Thurrott did NOT 'discover' this feature. It was originally found out by someone on an IRC channel that decided to search through the Whistler 2250 directories the very day Whistler 2250 and he let a few of the news sites know about it. Besides its not like it was espically hidden waiting to be 'found' by the shameless Paul Thurrott.

Why does everyone treat him like some sort of Windows god when he has his lips pressed so tightly to Microsoft's ass? Go ahead and read through his site. Everything is "I did..." or "I found..." or "Read MY review..." etc etc etc. He's a kiss a** and this will not change. He claims he invented and found things he really didn't just so he can further his pathetic little career running a hack Windows information site that really isn't worth a damn.

Open your eyes people.

Man, you need to get a life.

haha, yes people can be idiots. have you seen the windows .net setup screenshots that started the Whistler sends info to Microsoft rumors? well thouse shots were completely fake, They were made by a guy going by the name of adi, I know him not alot, but fairly well. he has a website full of doctored pictures of non real products, he posted a link to those shots on irc, and some news sites claimed they had an exclusize and posted them. Adi hopes for microsoft to recognize his work, so that he may work for them some day.

"Neptune, the aborted consumer Windows project that was merged into Whistler late last year"
WTF is this guy smoking? Whistler was built from scratch upon Windows 2000 because Neptune was built on Win2k Beta3, and all special features were Neptune oriented and would need to be redone anyway.

Errr... now this WAS true. Neptune was originally supposed to be the next version of Windows (Windows NT 5.1), but Neptune and Mars (a program that does all kinds of nifty stuff, it's used in the new MSN software for example) were merged into one, creating Whistler. This was confirmed by MS officals during the Me beta.

haha! Way off buddy...

Neptune was to be the next consumer Windows, and the first to be based off of the NT kernel. However, that was scrapped, merged with a project called Oddyssey, which was to be the first upgrade from Windows2000 for buisnesses, and then called it Whistler...

Mars is the internet browser that was prettied up for Hotmail users (it was originally thought of to be IE6, but ppl were mistaken)

You can see more of Paul at http://www.thurrott.com/ .

I can fully customize the backgrounds/positions of shortcuts/ etc. I'll be happy. Maybe Microsoft will include a small program that allows you to create your own schemes and redesign everything. Well..maybe not small, but it'd be cool all the same. What's another 100MB if you can fully customize it? =)

Three words

"ITS ABOUT TIME"

This will be a very impressive improvement, to say the least.

Is the beta still open? If so where?

Next windows will have a 'startX'

-rm125

Does anyone know where 2250 is still downloadable?

Yes,its downloadable on some public FTP's.

Do you have the address??

Yes, try http://reliz.ru/search

where is a good site that works where i can get whislter, or can someone contact me im at bdepew99 on AIM, thanks alot,,,,peace

brian

how do you enable the start panel / start page? they look kinda cool...