Errderr, your arrogance clearly outweighs your flattery. I clearly stated that "fun" is not my only computing desire..well actually I have fun programming and designing...etc so I take that back. Linux/Unix/BSD...etc are great operating systems, but none offer the multimedia usability of windows and dare I say it Macintosh..."shudders". Anyhow, of course Unix/Linux based systems are more stable more advanced in many ways. But current marketing has directed all mainstream graphics creation towards windows and Mac, Sure theres GIMP, which is a great program..But it cannot touch Photoshop. Errderr you seem as if you are one of those Linux fan boy's who doesn't really know WHY you like the system, you just know that it is what "techie's" use...and you try sooo hard to be all teched out. I question how long you have been computing because I was cookin motherboards back when you probably were still playing the old 8 bit NES system (Which I also played the hell out of, but thats beside the point). My main uses for BSD include a wide array of things but there is NOTHING wrong with using a PC for entertainment purposes also. I am sorry your life is so emotionally blocked that you are unable to participate in the emotion of happiness. Damn all that for a 25 word post, but just look at errderrs other comments on here and you will see his "true" intentions on betanews. Slander and "digital bullying"...all behind the safety of a monitor....Probably running MACOSX while he figures out how to partition his drives on that Packard Bell his grandma bought him for his NIX installation. Maybe you can write a nice shell script to tell you on a daily basis not to have fun.:))Oh ya don't use any Gui's, especially Gnome...it looks a bit too "fun". The sad thing about the digital generation is those guys who claim to know everything there is to know about computer's and have never even seen a command promt...aside from that crap on a windows machine...another sad thing is the guy's who b**** about everything microsoft...where do you fit in errderr. Lighten up.

Wow. I'm truly flattered that you would spend so much time writing an entire page, devoted just to me! I'm all warm and tingly. I actually had to shut the door on my office. I had been getting a good laugh the whole way through, but the last line -- "Lighten up." -- pushed me over the edge. I nearly wet myself.

It seems to me that you need to actually read people's statements before hopping up and ranting left and right. I never commented to anything you said saying anything about which systems I use, why, and for what purpose. If you're curious, I use Win2K because I need to (no major complaints), Linux because I like to (since around 1997), but don't have an OS X machine. I'd like to, but can't justify the price. The first system I learned on was a Sun workstation and liked it. Sue me. I worked on a mainframe in tangent and hated it. Sue me. Does that offer up enough for you? I think that more than covers enough detail regarding any of my posts to you. Anything beyond, which you choose to throw out there, you're just making up.

Good ridance. The MS VM is a built in module for IE, which I don't use. It is insecure and useless because you will need the sun plugin for programs that use java anyway.

Jesus, MSJVM is one of the reasons I've refused to code in Java and would gladly use Flash or some other alternative to make a web-based app. Maybe this is a good step in the right direction for things... Many swear by Java cause it is so similar to C/C++ and is multi-platform but my personal experiences have that Java apps are FAR more bloated than your average C/C++ apps but, hey, that's just my opinion (that means that I will kindly ignore any "real-life" benchmarks or specs that someone may show me to argue my points herein). 8)

In short, good riddens to bad rubbish! I still see .NET as a cheesy marketing ploy, above all. "Conveniently, Microsoft has access to all the spiffy Windows libraries and, as so, can provide a tighter development environment as well as ready-to-use components for those looking to make Windows applications - wait, I see no unfair assertion of .NET over Java here! Erm... That was *SARCASM*, BTW! =oP

Java is outdated whether from sun or m$ anyway. Sun's java VM has gotten a lot faster though so I gotta give them credit for improving. MS java VM is blazing fast but is insecure and less compatible. One thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is the fact that computer novices running XP have no idea what java even is or how to obtain it. I cant even count how many people I have had to help obtain a copy of java vm. M$ needs to hurry and make it available on windows update for the less savvy computer users. It still is a sad day for capitalism when a company cant even bundle what they want in their own software package. Doesn't this kinda make sun microsystems a monopoly now...or hey what about apple computer??? It's all BS politics. I am not trying to coin M$ as some innocent victim here but we do live in a capitalistic society..I am intelligent enough to choose what I want on my PC, some are not...that's where the beauty of capitalism comes in, convince the masses that you are the best and you will succeed. IE is buggy and security flawed, as is MS java and that joke of an email program Outlook...yet they are the most used apps...why, MARKETING baby. You gotta respect someone who can take a crap in a paper bag and sell one to nearly every American. Rock on Satan...ehem I mean Bill.

Also, I don't care who does not like this comment but WindowsXP is the best operating system on the market. I have used MANY different OS's and I have the most fun with XP. I personally prefer MozillaFirebird over IE and Pegasus Mail over Outlook but as far as having a computer that I can get some damn amusement out of I am sticking with XP, I got my BSD machine for kicks but Windows is for entertainment. Sure MS programs may not be the most stable but I have not seen many if any stability issues with XP. Windows Media Player 9 is great for video, though I use Foobar for music and occasionaly winamp2. Everyone who bashes Satan...I mean Bill is jealous, plain and simple.

And we all know that "the most fun" is how we all benchmark our purchasing decisions. Are you sure you wouldn't be happier with a Nintendo?

"And we all know that "the most fun" is how we all benchmark our purchasing decisions. Are you sure you wouldn't be happier with a Nintendo?"

LOL! That's pretty funny! Bill DID cover his arse by saying that his criteria for enjoying WinXP is the entertainment value whereas his BSD box is for productivity; fair enough, m8! Personally, those are the very reasons that I use Win2K: productivity AND entertainment in one place. I have my alternative operating systems but, meh, I don't have time to play with NIX with all the coding projects I have on the table.

Don't get me wrong: ANY NIX distribution blows Windows out of the water in terms of stability, flexibility, and overall geek value BUT I think some people just use Linux/Unix for the geek value of it alone, or just cause they REALLY hate Microsoft. I started off my IT career with NIX and I think Windows lacks a lot of innovation but, in the end, I stick with what works and, like bill said, Windows is not giving me any problems. 8)

In any case, back to the topic, I will reiterate that I dislike Java and I stick to C++ and none of this fad technology. For smaller applications and scripting purposes, I use JS, Perl, PHP, and the likes. Sun may arguably have a monopoly in the Java market as a result of this whol thing but, in all honesty, it's not exactly a HUGE market with Macromedia, Allaire, Borland, IBM, and others competing in that little market I like to call "web-based crapola". Nah, web-based stuff rules but it's like everyone is trying to coin their own technologies so the lack of standardization makes really has split up the market significantly, IMHO.. Java is one of many ways to get the job done and I feel that the main advantage there is compatability. Performance, on the other hand, is okay.. But nothing to really get all excited about. =oP

Anywho, you guys got me rambling.. Java needs a major over-haul and I think it's far better for Sun to handle it over Microsoft. That's all. Don't crucify me for my opinions; I have my reasons for them, as I'm sure you have yours. If someone wants to explain why they'd choose Java as a programming language, ESPECIALLY beyond the scope of web-based applications, I'd certainly been open-minded enough to hear you out; even if the arguments have been made time and again. (o=

Funny how my comments were deleted but that rotting crotch errderr gets to have his slanderous crap remain on betanews. Screw you and your communistic practices.

Hey Bill you need to relax. You are going to pop a blood vessel.