nice way to prove your propaganda free movement with propaganda.

Go back and read my last post regarding "New Alternative to DirectX?"

As for kcraig...you can lie all you want, but at least make it half-way believable. I could keep Win95 up for a week crash free. I'm not claiming anything. But you of course are claiming your own incompetence.

For all you MS opponents, it's okay to lie, just try to make it semi-credible or you'll just be laughed at...even the Betanews crew.

hehe

since you warrant this...try to show sensibility by at least staying on topic. Notice how you are everywhere with insubstantial postings, nipping at everyone's heels like the scrub dog you are? hehe

Didn't mean to lower myself to ataferner's level everybody, but he's all over the place.

Okay, call me dumb, but I can't seem to find info on Me from MS's web page. Does anyone have a link to a page that would give me the new features Me will have over Se?

because there is still significant time until release. All information is basically restricted to the betatesters, MSDN & MCSP audience. In conjunction to a few other industry types. As I'm sure you found out when you tried searching for the info on MS's site and hit this link: http://msdn.microsoft.co.../resources/subdwnld.asp.

Unless somebody has strayed from the inevitable NDA, you'll most likely not find any info.

i dont think so i put winme on 4 different machines and the longest they ran was 5 minutes! as for 2000 if you put 1 wrong driver in the thing the whole system goes AWOL they both still have a long way to go.

don't BS, and if you had it, you probably had a hacked version, same goes for Win2k, so it serves you right.

actually i get all of the beta's straight from microshaft so i dont think it is hacked. "think before you speak"

If you're on the legit beta team, then how come you're grammar is about as good as my 20 year old anesthesia-laden monkey? I don't think Microsoft would hire someone as their beta tester if they called it "Microshaft," either.

good point.

cool
Capuchin?

hehe

Sorry guys - Microsoft doesn't check for grammar, or "loyalty" in all web posts by someone before they are accepted as a beta tester. There are other ways to get legit copies of the software too - if you have the "Technet Plus" subscription, there are all sorts of betas included.

Take it from a LONG TIME MS beta tester - there are a BUNCH of (fill in the blank)'s out there beta testing the software!

Would he be breaking the ever-so-needed NDA? Just saying you are part of the team is a no no..... ;)

-GuANu

no it's not

Hi! It's my first post on this message-board. I've been reading it for a while though. And to start off i'd like to ask everyone to stop behaving like kids and use foul language and personal insults.

I am generally pro-microsoft, given the fact that i am MCSD (Microsoft Certified Developer) and my whole business (quite successful) is based around MS products. My position on Linux is neutral.

Back to the topic:

I don't see how the information you have posted is relevant to the article. Windows ME is not a server OS. It is not meant to run applications that require security of *nix. Home/entertainment OS primarily.

As for Win2000 i can testify that it is very stable. My development machine is a laptop that is running Win2K Server. It is very stable i don't recall having to reboot in recent history. And if you're familiar with software development you would know that reboots are often a necessity, due to the memory leaks and terminated processes during debugging. So i am pleasantly surprised.

Also i'd liek to say that our servers (Exchange, proxy, SQL, and others, such as file storage, DSN) are all running Windows NT 4.0 and are running 24/7 for a long time (around 2 years) and i can testify that they are stable as well. Again, reboots are sometimes a necessity. But from support standpoint it is much cheaper to have NT server farm because NT adminstrators are readily available on the market and cost less. *nux is more difficult to implement in the company of our size.

Hope that gives a "real life example"

WindowsMe may not be focussed on stability as much as the WindowsNT team is, but they are focussed on it. With the addition of System File Protection, among other things, the system has become nearly uncrashable. No, it's not as stable as WindowsNT, but it is solid, and to say the team has not been focussing on stability just a blatent misstatement.

I have ran a nix system, I have run Win2k systems, I know what nearly uncrashable means. I have also ran WinMe, and have ran every build of WinMe since beta2. Every time, I run it for the whole week (that is how long it takes for them to put a new build on the winbeta site) until I get a new build without a crash or reboot.

btw, don't BS, my Win2k server has never crashed, have I had to reboot it, yes, but that's because of installing things like a print server port and screwing around with networking stuff (which rarely takes a reboot but does once in awhile). True, you don't have to reboot a *nix system as often as a Win2k system, but rebooting and stability are two different things.

You are correct, a week isn't much time to evaluate it, but that doesn't mean that it is unstable.

As far as apps and drivers, let me put it this way. I install WinMe, it installs all my drivers except for my video and my sound, so I do those manually, installing the sound drivers doesn't take a reboot. As far as installing apps, it says that you need to reboot and crap, but you don't, all you have to do is log off and log back on and it finishes the install. Including apps like Office2000 Premium.

Here Here CPUGuy!!!!!!!

what the hell do you call loging off on *nix machines? It's the same as rebooting. The only time I need to do a full boot on my 98se machine is when that intellieye mouse gets annoying and I shutdown for the night. Other than that, you do the same things as restarting fvwm (openbsd) with Windows.

logging off is nothing like rebooting. Rebooting means the computer's services get shutdown and are no longer accessible, because the computer restarts itself. Logging off means that you are no longer on the computer, but the computer is still there to service requests (login, webpage if you're running that kind of server, etc.)..

I didn't say they didn't focus on stability AT ALL, I simply stated they focused more of the development towards home use, rather than trying to fix every bug.

here's an insider tip for you...

The feature list is now locked in, as well as driver list.

stop me if im wrong but didnt microsoft messup the names since shouldnt 2000 be the upgrade to 98..........and ME be the upgrade to NT...makes sence letters with letters numbers with numbers.??????????
anyways well just have to see bug reports on ME just like we saw on 98 bak in da dayz

win95--win98--winME
winNT4--win2000

http://www.h8teiris.com

Windows 2000(NT5) was meant to be the path for both but it failed.

It didn't "fail". To my knowledge, Win2000 was always meant to be a business-oriented OS, not a joint business-home OS. While Microsoft planned on going to the NT kernel for quite some time, I don't think they planned on doing it with Win2K, that's the reasoning behind Whistler, which was, itself, originally 2 different projects.
(Neptune was the Win2001 for Business, and Oddysey was the Consumer NT OS.)

Win2K didn't fail. It wasn't designed to try, it's just a step along the way.

Well actually Win 2k was supposed to be the only new release for the Software giant. Microsoft had decided not to continue with the Win98 kernel. But they changed their mind.

Erm.........Thats NOT True, M$ always statesd there would be ONE more OS based on the Win (x Kernal (Not the Win98 kernal) and will THEN begin the new OS Codenamed Whistler (Win2k 01) Please Please get your Facts straight. The only guys i have seen who KNOW what they are on about in more or less great degree is me and CPUGuy!

So, Please, learn the FACTS, not the Fiction

Please get _your_ facts straight, Chris :-) He was right; MS, sometime around late '98 (IIRC), said there would be no more Win9x-kernel releases after Windows 98. Then they changed their mind and said there would be one more.

It's not a failed upgrade. Its a decsion on the part of M$ to milk the average SHMOE one more time. Sell a new OS which is basically a SP on top of W95

you have it backwards, Neptune was for consumer, Oddysey was for buisness.

yes, this is true, MS realized that they weren't going to be able to pull off mixing buisness and home without more delays, so instead, it served as a bridge, for lack of a better term.

CPUGuy, i have a question for you: why do you continually serve as a lap-dog for Microsoft? (& before you even start, i'm not some nutball Linux user; i use Win98\2000 on my computer, as well as Linux.) I like Windows; it's quite user-friendly, & stable enough, if you know how to use it. What i DO have a problem with is Microsoft. There are simply shady businessmen, trying to get a dollar. I mean, hats off to practially putting a computer in almost every home, but the price?! Dear lord, no wonder Bill Gates is so rich- it's because he makes the rest of us poor. The have good business sense, yes. but ethics? Very lacking.

lap-dog? I'm no "lap-dog".

It's not MS's goal to "get your dollar", well, it is, but that's a thing for every business. Bill Gates does what he does because that what he loves to do, and in case you didn't know this, Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of MS to take the position for Chief Software Architect, so he has literally very little to do with anything other than the actually product now.

MS's prices, I think, are pretty resonable, they continue to put out a quality product that is easy enough for someone dumber than the average joe to use, and nice for more knowledgable people to use.

What's unethical about practicing standard buisness behavior? Almost any company practices the same buisness, it's just that since MS is the big guy, they get flamed for it. Are they agressive? yes, definatly, but it's buisness, if you aren't aggressive, you won't make it. MS has been aggressive from day1, and since then, they have grown to one of the biggest companies in the world.

CPUGuy, I fully agree with what you are saying, MS is the Leader in innovation, if it wasn't for MS. I wonder what we will be using for Computer software, OS, and computers, Use Linux? I wonder If Linux would've been born, *nix? what home computer Uses it? I have linux on my computer and Uses it, it is so cryptic, Gnome Interface pretty, but try to change the com. port and see if it allows you, always crashes, and to the Guy who said MS getting Rich, and we are getting poor, MS doesn't force us to buy their products, who else out there has a better Product? so we can get richer on.

i still think they screwd up the names !!!!!!!!!

YEh CPUGuy....but it was VERY soon after they changed thseir minds, so really it was always slated...tho i'm not one to argue with a fellow Professional....r u MCSE too?