RSSMicrosoft: Longhorn to Ship in 2005
By Nate Mook | Published May 7, 2003, 8:10 PM
In his WinHEC 2003 keynote Wednesday, Will Poole, senior vice president of the Windows Platforms Group, provided the first official insight into Microsoft's plans for delivering Longhorn.
As the first major Windows client release to follow Windows XP, Longhorn will serve as a substantial upgrade, bridging the gap between hardware and software.
Microsoft plans to truly kick off Longhorn at its Professional Developers Conference in October, likely releasing a pre-beta version at that point. Longhorn Beta 1 and Beta 2 will follow in 2004 and allow the company to hit a release to manufacturing in 2005.
"Over the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for Longhorn and we'll see that coming to market in 2005," said Poole.
Alpha builds of Longhorn have already been seeded to developers, allowing Microsoft to "understand what people want to see from a pure development perspective," according to Poole. Three of these releases have found their way on the Internet, offering an early glimpse of the future operating system.
Poole downplayed rumors that Microsoft would release an interim Windows upgrade before Longhorn. "That's something that I don't expect us to do," he said.
"The weight of all the people in the Windows client division and across the platform's division, the weight of that effort that we're doing is around Longhorn and that's what we're focused on and we hope to get you all really pulling the same way so we can come out with a huge wave of excitement for the industry when Longhorn ships in 2005."
Earlier this week at WinHEC 2003, Microsoft and HP unveiled a concept design for the next generation Windows PC. The prototype, dubbed Athens, is tailored specifically for Longhorn as an all-in-one communications center.
Microsoft aims to work closely with manufacturers to better integrate hardware and software functionality, and deliver on the company's concept of an immersive computing experience by "making it just work."
"This is a huge, big, bet-the-company move, and it's one that we are very enthusiastic about what we're able to do here," said Poole. "The breakthrough work that we're going to do in Longhorn is going to really change the landscape of what consumers, what businesspeople see when they look at a new PC."
I've read a rumor somewhere that longhorn will deal away with the registry. Is that true or someone's wishlist?
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|Microsoft is planning on getting rid of the registry, however, not with Longhorn.
With .NET apps, you don't actually need to have anything in the registry, just copy the files to your system, and it's installed.
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|ahh.. sort of like in unix
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|And the sooner the better. Hopefully no later than the next OS after longhorn. I am hoping 2007-2008
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|Sort of like most any OS.
You don't have to point out the obvious to show one of the downsides of Windows....
Get a damn life.
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|you know, you try really hard to sound smart, but you're not.
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|I'm sorry, but am I trying to sound smart?
You are the one with the snyde remarks.
I state something that was not know to the particular person, then you go off to state something that is completely obvious in order to spread FUD about Windows being an inferior OS just because of this one area where it is behind.
Try contributing something worthwhile rather than making stupid remakrs.
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|go **** yourself jagoff
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|Now we are resulting the name-calling and telling people off... that's mature.
By the way, that adds nothing worthwhile to the conversation.
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|I thought that wnowak1's comment about 'like unix' was pungent, pertinent and funny. By taking umbrage, CPUGuy, you have revealed yourself to be an ignorant, pompous jackass. But I guess most of us knew that already ...
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|And by the way, the word is spelled 'snide' not 'snyde' .. go get yourself a real dictionary, not a pretend one like Billyboy distributes.
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|Oh, I'm sorry, I do not consult a dictionary every time I write something.
And look more name calling, you somehow think you are better than me because you looked up a word in a dictionary?
His/Her comment was made only to bash, and is already very well known.
Heck, MacOS doesn't have a registry, neither does BeOS, Amiga, etc... everyone knows this, it's not adding anything of value to the conversation..... nor is your name-calling.
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|Gee, wonder if after 10000 programmers work for 4 years if they can yet open a window consistantly the same size and view. Ya know, like win3x did.
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|I really hate it in IE when a certain site resizes your window so it's almost completely maximized, but not really... in order to get IE to start opening windows back up in the same size you had before you have to close every single window down except the last, resize that one, and then it will work.
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|I have to say longhorn is just another OS from Microsoft But hey it is pretty. I like the file system way more stabler then some MAC OS's i have seen i mean LINUX Rip Off's. It is not that stable yet but by 2005 it will rock. It is to bad it is sooo easy to use even my Grandma could use this OS. I think Microsoft should stop thinking of themselves and give some of us the wealth or at least lets pay for our MSCE training first before changing everything.
Remeber we could all go back and use either UNIX or LINUX OS, maybe we should goback to BASIC. It was easier back in the day. And if i hear any more whinning from the MAC users remeber your OS is unix based and Steve Jobs is just as bad as Bill.
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|maybe they should delay it so its not another XP. Get all the bugs out so they dont have to put a service pack in Longhorn.
Until longhorn comes out, I'm happy in Windows ME!
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|Win ME was the one that was a flop. XP was stable out of the box when it first shipped. Every OS needs patches and fixes, its the nature of software. There will alwasy be service packs for windows.
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|Dude you still use ME ha ha. That is the worst OS from Microsoft ever relased. Win 98SE is way more stable. XP is built on NT and ME is FAT32. Is there a diff you bet ME crashes, and Progams only crash in XP. Since Longhorn is built on the same core a Windows 2003 server it will be better then XP. Since it will be client for Windows 2003 server and if you were any kind of computer user you would be using Linux or any flav of UNIX.
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|Wow, it's almost like you have no concept of what the different versions of Windows are.
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|Were you just baiting us with the remark that "if you're any kind of computer user you need to be using Linux or any other *nix"???
I just cannot believe you said that, wow! The brush you use to paint with uses some MIGHTY broad strokes!
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|You've GOT to be kidding!? WinMe you like? A perfect example of Microsoft's marketing dissservice to the consumer; WinMe was an unstable, disconcerted bit of eye candy released for the sole purpose of generating revenue to fuel other more priorty projects at the expense and ininconvenience of the consumer.
I'm still chugging away with my trusty Win98SE, may consider Longhorn when released but am passing on XP.
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|"Microsoft aims to work closely with manufacturers to better integrate hardware and software functionality, and deliver on the company's concept of an immersive computing experience by "making it just work.'"
Yeah that already exists... it's called an Apple PowerMac.
And only 20 years after Apple came out with it... sounds about right.
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|hey with all those billions in tech research...they finally figured it out...what do they spend this money on?
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|They actually spend it on marketing vaporware.
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|So what you're saying is that Microsoft should make it's own computers, with it's own hardware so that the number of conflicts is limited?
Yes, I know add-on devices are third party. But core items are made by Apple. It works, because they can concentrate on making their OS work with their hardware.
I'm not saying it's WRONG, but Apple is playing in a much smaller pond when it comes to programming their OS.
Try to be a little more fair and objective when comparing the two.
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|Why does every apple owner think that the world of computers revolves around them? I know that microsoft is the 'Great Satan' in your world, but I think it's time to let it go. It's obvious that microsoft has taken Apples OS and brought it to the masses. What's sad is that Apple missed the boat on this from the word go. To bad Apple was so busy trying to drive IBM out of the market, that they missed on an oppertunity that microsoft took advantage of. Good ideas are not exclusive to only Apple.
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|I am more apt to be supportive of integration monopoly be damned. MS has got the avg user by the throat and if they can use their pc's w/o problems I don't care who delivers.....but ms needs to prove it first so far they have not
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|The problem with that statement is that you're totally nullifying the MILLIONS of users that have no problems with their windows machines. I have VERY few problems, if any, with my personal machines or any in my company. If there are issues, it's usually with a piece of software a user installs that doesn't get along with Windows (yes, I know I shouldn't let them install things, but I'm trying to treat them like adults).
Of course, I'm using all name brand hardware with commonly accepted software packages. Thats the test-bed and target consumer for the MS developers. Step outside the boundaries and you WILL have isses. That is the case with ANY Apple or Linux OS as well.
There are some laptop issues that are well documented. But do you realize the number of different laptop configurations and proprietary hardware installed in those things??
I'm not saying MS is perfect, but look at the MASSIVE number of Windows users and give me the percent that are having problems. There is a percentage of Apple users, Linux users, BSD users, HP-UX users, and so on that have issues as well. I don't know the numbers, I don't think anyone does. But I'd be willing to bet that the windows installations vs. problems percentage is not as high as everyone makes it out to be.
I really sound like I'm biased toward Windows. I just don't like to see such broad sweeping statements that are always made in the "great OS debate". ALL OS's have their place and reasons for existence. Some are better at doing things than others. I just wish both sides would see how narrow-minded they sound.
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|I work with all those o/s plus I have two Macs at home. The Windows systems are the worse because M$ tries to be many things to all people but usually fails to all. Thats probably what made Windows the monopology that is. My critique of M$ is that they should drop all the extra crap they force us to use whatever we want. That way people won't blame them for everything. Hope you see my point.
Finally, Macs are better because it's a closed system. Everything is more or less approved by Apple. That lets them make great machines. The reason that they dont have a larder market share is because of this closed system. If they opened up or dropped their standards maybe they would gain more market share. Then they would also be crap.
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|Thank you for reiterrating my point for me.
I dont' think MS is CRAP though. I think it has some issues for some people. It fills the needs of the vast majority of its users without problems.
Apple chooses to have their "closed" system which isn't the worst business model either.
I only make my comments to point out that not everything MS is evil or bad. More power to the Mac users or any other OS for that matter. But MS products aren't all just crap.. THAT is what I've been trying to say all along.
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|The last time apple 'opened' their system, they almost went bankrupt... then they ultimately closed them, so the few companies selling macs couldnt build them anymore.
Plus, as said before, you always hear about pc users having issues because, there are simply so many more of them, plus, there is so much more software and hardware for them.
Last, i work as a lab admin here at my school and in all my labs, i never have any problems with my pcs, but the macs always have some issue on my s***.
Personally, since the latest benchmarking shows that pcs are now also faster in graphics, the only reason i still somewhat support macs, is OS X.
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|Too bad your closed system won't work with 80% of the software I run...I've never had a problem with Windows XP. And I don't remember having anything forced on me....anything XP has built in that you don't want to use, there's third party software you can buy or download. You can't say the same for mac (you could to a very limited extent).
Please don't tell me I can run a virtual OS on mac...why would I do that when I can run windows natively on my PC that's half the price of the propietary hardware you have.
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|nexIT.
i dont know where you got your info, but you should take a look at these benchmarks and reconcider your statement... and for the person who said apple tried to run out ibm... rumors have ibm is making new and improved PPC 970 chip for apple...go figure
http://www.macbidouille....hp?date=2003-05-05#5440
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|The thing is, Macs are worse because they are closed.
15-20 engineers (a la Mac) working on a problem will find the solution a lot slower than a few thousand engineers (a la x86). Its the same concept as the open vs closed source software battles. It is accepted, by the genuinely educated few, that "given enough eyeballs, all problems are shallow".
So, on the Apple side, you have a small group of hardware engineers working for ONE company, building this stupid box, that takes them years and years to develop, so Mac users can go buy overpriced, underpowered boxes so that tey can tell all their friends and neighbors how much better their computer is. Or, on the x86 side of things, you've got thousands of engineers, working for hundreds of companies, developing a platform for people to actually use, and produce with, rather than just be snooty about. Sure, PC's have been uglier and more brutish than Apple. Mack trucks are a lot uglier than Ferraris. Mack trucks are useful, ugly, productive, and cheap. Ferraris are useless, pretty, wasteful, and overpriced. Such is the PC/Mac battle.
Ive never met a Mac person that didnt have a chip on their shoulder about being a better user by virtue of using a Mac.
As far as the Microsoft "problem", it is only a problem for people that refuse to accept the fact that Microsoft isnt going away. You people that think all of your griping and moaning about Microsoft "stealing" technology from everyone else are wasting your breath.
You accept Apple as a great company, yet they restrict development for their platform FAR more than Microsoft ever has.
I've worked on many many Macs and many many PCs in the past 6 years, and I can attest to the fact that, proportionately speaking, the PCs running newer OS's have had far less compatability and operational problems than the Mac's, regardless of the OS Version of the Macs in question.
When one looks at the millions of support calls, logged every day by PC makers, compared to the relatively few logged at Appl, one might be forced into thinking that Macs have less problems. This is folly. When you look at the 80/5 % market split between them, that comparison tells a different story entirely.
-HMH
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|Uhm...not only is that site german so nobody knows what parts they used or anything....but it looks like a dual G4 from the graph....must of taken you a long time to find a site comparing the two with the mac actually winning, otherwise you would of shown us an english site with a non-dual mac proc. ;)
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|Ok that's my fault...I didn't see the english translation (I admit I skimmed it real quick the first time)...but still, you're comparing a dual G4 proc (that's not even released yet?) with a single P4.
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|ALSO....this doesn't talk about how AMD's 3200+ blows away the P4 3ghz...so a single amd 3200+ probably matches a DUAL mac proc...pretty sad ;)
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|Sorry I hate fanboys....
http://www.tomshardware....cpu/20030513/index.html
AMD's 3200+ doesn't blow anything away. Neither does their 3000+! The P4 3G HT and especially the 800FSB version puts AMD's ratings to shame!
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|Because I think the AMD is faster then the P4...I'm a fanboy?
http://firingsquad.gamer...thlon_xp_3200/page7.asp
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|"Because I think the AMD is faster then the P4...I'm a fanboy?"
No, that just makes you wrong. Your comment in regards to the AMD 3200+ "blowing away" the P4 3G is what makes you a fanboy as only a fan boy would come out with such FUD. Both CPU's excel in different areas, e.g. I would put a AMD cpu into a system if you want to do any video encoding for instance.
Look through the rest of the benchmarks on the link you gave me, and look through several other sites to get a more accurate overall picture:
http://www.tomshardware....cpu/20030513/index.html
http://www.hothardware.c...CAM/amd_axp_3200+.shtml
http://www.bit-tech.net/review/213/
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=550
http://www.tech-report.c...lonxp-3200/index.x?pg=1
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_xp3200new/
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=379
Let's be honest here, the 3200+ label is pushing it a LITTLE bit! Most reviews reach the same conclusion that the 3200+ is what the 3000+ should have been.
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|hey niro,
take a look at this site again.
http://www.macbidouille....hp?date=2003-05-05#5440
the SINGLE 1.4GHz PPC 970 processor is faster than the p4 3.0GHz processor, not by much but faster. and you also have to consider they are comparing a P4 3.0GHz to a PPC 970 1.4GHz which is nearly half and still faster. now, i know the new processors are not on the market yet, but they are supposed to ship in june with speeds up to 2.0MHz. WE( the mac heads) HOPE!!!
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|...suppose to ship in june with the speeds up to 2.0Ghz..
this is what i meant
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|"which is nearly half and still faster."
It's not faster and nearly half of what? Nearly half the Mhz? What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China on a warm sunny day? You can't compare two completely different architectures... the Mhz rating is irrelevant, meaningless! So it's not nearly half of anything, it just is 1.4Mhz. You can't even compare two identical architectures on Mhz alone (e.g. AMD and Intel).
The 'best'? tests that have been done to date is to compare application's such as Adobe's running on the Mac vs running on a PC. Whilst these tests aren't in anyway perfect since the code base isn't the same it gives you a better view of how the mac runs compared to a pc doing the same thing.
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|Why is MAC trying to copy LINUX. Ahhhh Let's see no vision they would reather copy some one elses OS then make there own since Steve Jobs stole there OS from XEROX I think MAC is the one coping here don't you. Oh and let see did Bill bail out MAC? Hmmmmm I think so.
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|Read most of those and agree that AMD is pushing it.
But the ultimate point to this thread is that we have a CHOICE of those processors using MS products.
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|sorry look inthe real world, amd 3200 is faster.
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|sorry look inthe real world, amd 3200 is faster.
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|sorry look inthe real world, amd 3200 is faster.
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|How about Microsoft making a game like .hack /SIGN ?
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how about .hack /SIGN people making a Windows Os , as in have the .hack /sign people work with the microsoft people to make the newest windows a anime gui windows desktop?
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how about the .hack /SIGN people ports those ps2 .hack /SIGN games to the pc? and make them better with the 3d by using ati technogle or something like that
.hack /SIGN can be found at www.dothack.com
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|Wow, nice advertising.
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|Did you read all of those reviews or are you just going on what the rest of the amd fanboys are saying? Honestly, repeating the same untruth is not going to convince anyone otherwise. The real world truth is this:
1) If you only play games and run office applications then amd is good enough. Below 3000 it's definetely the one to go with not only based on performance but also on price. With the 3000 and 3200 the choice isn't as clear anymore with the introduction of Canterwood and the 800Mhz FSB.
2) If you do things other than play games, mainly in the domain of audio/video encoding, 3d rendering, anything like that, then you are shooting yourself in the foot getting an amd. P4's rule these sorts of applications regardless of your amd fanboy FUD.
So keep your fanboy'ism to the AMD forums where it might be appreciated.
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|Looks like Linux could get a foothold on the home market soon as microsoft will aim for takeing on Apple in the Power buisness PC, I just hope Games devlopers can make the trasaction just as well.
I for one will not be getting a longhorn XP PC as i doubt it will be set at a nice neet price for home users and as i can only afford to buy my PC in parts this will be a main consern of mine
[i miss spell a lot of words dont knock me on it]
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