RSSMicrosoft Refocuses HailStorm Efforts
By Nate Mook | Published April 15, 2002, 11:14 PM
Redmond executives once had high hopes for the project dubbed HailStorm and later renamed to the less evil moniker, .NET My Services. But the change did nothing to convince partners, whose less than enthusiastic response to the idea of Microsoft-operated user services, such as an electronic wallet, has forced the company to shift its focus.
Originally slated for inclusion in HailStorm's initial offering were e-mail, a calendar, electronic wallet, Passport, .NET Alerts, and more. Although the company says it will remain committed to such Web services, Microsoft will only host Passport and Alerts in house. The platform behind the other planned services will instead be offered to third parties.
"Microsoft is shifting from a model in which MSN was the sole operator of these services to one where software to run user-centric services is available to multiple operators," a company spokesperson told BetaNews. "Don't confuse an expansion of the operator strategy with any kind of de-commitment from the idea of user-centric web services that help create a more personalized, more consistent experience across the different technologies in an individual's life."
.NET My Services was released in alpha form last October after the Professional Developer Conference in Los Angeles. Partners and testers were given access to an SDK that contained sample applications, along with the bits required to run a standalone .NET My Services server. Microsoft's largest partners seemingly were more interested in utilizing the technology themselves, rather than relying on Microsoft as a middle man between customers.
"Frankly, selling this stuff to people who build large data centers with our software is not a bad model," Microsoft's group manager of business development for Microsoft's Platform Strategy Group Charles Fitzgerald told the New York Times last week in an article that Microsoft claims overstates the decision to decentralize.
A beta release of .NET My Services was scheduled for earlier this year, but was postponed due to uncertainty in the marketplace. Although many large corporations have expressed support for .NET and Web services in general, few have actually implemented the new technology.
But Microsoft continues to push adoption of .NET despite any hesitation from businesses and consumers. The company recently posted the .NET Framework as a recommended update on Windows Update and just last week launched its first commercial Web service, MapPoint .NET.
Not sure where some of this came from, and am especially shocked with the qoute from the "company spokesperson"
At Technology Week 2000 (September 2000) Microsoft had already confirmed:
1. MapPoint and Alerts would be the inital target offerings (e-mail, calendar, wallet, passport, etc. were possibilites only)
2. Would NOT be a completely centralized model with MSN being the only provider.
3. MSN would probably offer e-mail, calendar, etc., but only as "one provider among many", not as the sole provider.
So the "decision to decentralize" seems surprising and confusing since this plan is the same one that has been in place for well over 18 months.
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I guess you know more than Microsoft executives themselves ;)
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ROTFLMFAO!
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Well, at least the person who put together the briefing materials for TechWeek 2000 did.
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No, it's just that people don't care to listen when MS says stuff...
Microsoft has said many times over that .NET My Services is just a sample .NET web service and that they expected other companies to build similar things.
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Of course. You can even go download the SDK from BetaPlace right now (if you have a login). Microsoft has always wanted people to utilize Web services themselves and build their own, but at the same time they wanted to build some core functionality to benefit consumers (such as wallet, calendar, etc.). That functionaly would be hosted from a central location - MSN. Companies would then use .NET to integrate their applications with Passport, Alerts, wallet, whatever they wanted. But the response since the PDC has been less than stellar and they decided to change course.
Belluzzo also told CNET in an interview recently that Microsoft was planning to narrow down the focus of HailStorm significantly. This was not the course of action from day one.
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This looks cool, I can't wait for this to come out.
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It will never happen...M$ is only attempting to tax the net...by the time the trust busters get through, it will be .Not...prepare by learning Unix and Linux
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Yeah, because the trust busters have already done so much by successfully breaking Microsoft up and forcing more competition in the market. They will undoubtedly win again!
Oh, wait...
Seriously though, the government isn't going to try to do anything to stop .NET. They are too busy trying to stop Microsoft from including IE with Windows, the same thing they've been trying to do for the last 5+ years. Plus, .NET is a completely open platform built on open standards. If you missed the news, Microsoft even released the source for FreeBSD. Sure competitors like Sun and Novell may not like it, but the government has no reason to complain about .NET. At least not yet.
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You've been repeating this for how long now? What will you preach about next?
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jlopez- I thought on your post about "M$ and .NOT", with you claming everyone needs to start learning Unix and Linux.
What about MAC/Apple? Do you not see the MAC as a viable platform at all?? I would say the Mac would be considered first, especially since you can already get MS Office for MAC.
Your thoughts?
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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Mac is a great platform. After all, many media things are done using mac. The new OS X IS unix though...
Jamwheat, what is your opinion on Unix/Linux both as Desktop and as server compared to MS. I use linux as both in many offices and school. your thoughts?
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You couldn't be more wrong. If Microsoft were somehow to die, the computer industry would be shafted and people wouldn't be going to *nix, they would use what they already have for a *LONG* time until a new Microsoft were to come along.
Face it *nix wh***s, *nix is meant for serving, IMO as well as many other people who don't want the BS in computers, Linux hasn't even reached the state that Windows95 was released at in terms of usability and speed.
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Very true! Microsoft are being as open as they can about .NET and now companies like Sun are getting worried because the pressure will soon be on them to make JAVA as open as .NET. As for Linux and Unix etc i think Mac would be the "next of kin" OS people would go to as it is alot faster and user friendly than any Linux/Unix system is. The user who posted about Linux not even beign as good as Windows 95 was right, although i would say Windows 3.1, even on a 700Mhz CPU Linux (KDE) runs slow and takes 2 or 3 seconds to open up a browser window. Windows XP does it faster with all of the extra (and i must admit a little bit pointless) effects such as shadows under menus. Linux/unix should have been purly a server OS and forget about fancy UI and home users, i dont know many regular home users who want to edit massive text files to sort out there mouse config when they can use windows and just use a little scroll bar and some buttons! just my opinion, i know people will disagree but at least THINK about the benifits windows has over other OS before calling it a piece of s#$t in your next post. infact do a little test... Get a Windows 2000 machine and whatever Linux version you want (RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE etc) and install them onto a 500MB P2 with 256MB RAM. then test which is the fastest at loads web/local browsers and which is easiest to increase the mouse calibration. I think you will find Windows 2000 wins without a doubt (but try anyways, just for fun!!) and before you say that isnt a test, it is as complex as a "normal" home user will do!
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typo was to install windows 2000 pro and any linux on a 500Mhz P2 not a 500MB ;)
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I'd rather use Win2k on a Pentium 200 MMX with 128MB RAM than Linux on a P2 500MHz with 256MB RAM
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wnowak1, you asked:
"what is your opinion on Unix/Linux both as Desktop and as server compared to MS"
I don't have much of an opinion on that, as I am still "new" to Linux, and have never used Unix. I have been playing with Linux off-and-on for a few years now, and although it *has* gotten more friendly, and easier to install, it still has a way to go befor being offered as a desktop sollution for "the average user". As a server? Like I said, I don't have any opinion on that, as I never messed with servers befor other than WindowsNT based.
Not many people are interested in Linux in my area; whenever I mention linux (like trying out the beta of RedHat 3, or using Lycoris) people lose interest, FAST. Guess it will be a while yet around here at least for Linux.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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Uhh I hate to break the news to you, but one of the existing OS companies would become the next Microsoft. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. What's up with calling people "*nix wh***s"? Had I done that biggots like yourself would have been up at arms to have me banned. Do yourself a favor, and educate yourself before you post Linus has by far surpast Win9x, and is at near the same level as XP. Even some of the die hard MS people here will admit that.
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Then you are a blind fool, but we already knew that.
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fewt says "What's up with calling people "*nix wh***s"? Had I done that biggots like yourself would have been up at arms to have me banned. "
Fewt, you've called people a heck of a lot worse than that. Pretty hypocitical of you to criticize him over that with your track record.
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Fewt, I love it how you ignore the comments that are true and love to kill the ones that are argueable, without reason. I also dont agree with mr a .. that i would like to run win 2k rather on a 200 mmx, but i do have a 233 mmx laptop and ive tried many flavors of unix on it and after a few, the brower taking ~10 seconds to start, i gave up, windows 2k starts it in ~2 secs. In all my experiance ( ive used dos 3.x+, windows 1,2,3,3.1,95 [a,b], 98, 98se, NT 3.x, ME, 2000 [ pro, server, adv. server ], xp pro, slackware lin., mandrake lin., solaris 2.x, 8.x, BeOS, mac 7,8,9,10, etc. I run a sun slackware server right now, without a GUI, simple ftp / http server. All my workstations run win 2k. I have nothing against linux, or any other os, but i think each OS has its place. I want you to comment, i want your opinion on what you think on a machine running the same specs, windows vs linux, ive done them and have found windows 2k to be faster, more compatible, more user friendly, and if you know what your doing, and get decent drivers it has NEVER crashed for me, security wise, you gotta know what you're doing to, but thats the same for linux. Please dont avaoid the question and start critzising anything in here (you seem to likie to do that alot), but rather I want you're opinion.
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From a useability standpoint, it most certainly is NOT.
Not only that, but Linux is outdated technology, the whole thing should be dropped, some move to BSD and others move to OpenBeOS.
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No, it's not. Have I? Yep.. Do you see me calling anyone names? Nope..
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I totally agree with your viewpoint.
I for one use both Win32 and *nix operating systems. Each have their own specific uses. Sure MS has a better desktop OS, Linux is still quite a way off for now. This might change, and most likely will change quite quickly, but it hasn't changed yet!
C'mon fewt, smell the cheese! :P
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Oh? I suggest you install KDE 3 and actually use it for a few days. Hey Jamwheat, what do YOU think?
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Some folks have gotten to the point where they don't deserve anyone's opinion, much less mine. :-P hahahaha
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The Mac OS X is the best operating system I have ever worked with. My wife uses at home and work. It's stable (I have never seen it crash), easy to use and should be be the number one OS. However, under current management, it will never get more than 5% of the market share. Apple should either allow other companies to make Macs or port it over to Intel/AMD platform. The prices are just too high for the average comsumer. Then when they get a hit like the iMac2, they can't meet demand. I wish they would get there act together...I even learn to love "the Dock"...lol
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Oh please do tell me what exactly is different from a useability standpoint between KDE 2.2 and 3.
And there is more to the usability equation than just the GUI. Linux has problems with things like failed dependencies, imcompatibility between distros, high latency, etc...
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I'm sorry, I'm not publishing a guide on the differences between KDE 2.2 and KDE 3.0 just because you are too lazy to use them and see for yourself. Failed dependencies? I haven't seen those in years, thanks for mentioning them though, helps to prove your lack of knowledge. Incompatability between distros? Name one app. "high latency" LOL That's pretty good, define "high latency".
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It's all dependent on your viewpoint, some argue Linux has a stronger desktop (In my mind it does..) and others argue that Windows has a stronger desktop (In my mind it's only strength is in it's marketshare..). ;-)
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What do I think of KDE 3.0? Well, it is a bit faster and friendlier than the older versions (linux as a whole is faster when you run a gig of DDR PC2100, and a 64meg gForce, though!).
Other than that, I haven't done enough with it to form a better opinion. I would *love* to see Redmond's "Lycoris" and RedHat 7.3 merge- that would be great!
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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jlopez, I do agree Apple Execs need to get their heads out of their asses, and open the Mac platform more. I would love to see how OSX would run on my machine, but there is no way Apple would every allow their proprietary OS to be run on anything other than their proprietary systems.
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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fewt says "Do you see me calling anyone names?"
Lets see, in this thread you called mrastudent a "blind fool"
In other threads you called:
CPUGuy "stupid and immature"
Rick7165 and his friends "idiots"
Compdoc "closed minded" and "arrogant" and "fool" and "forum troll" and "nuts" and "loser" and "simple minded" and "arrogant" and "idiot"
FunkyFred "a joke" and "a sad sad man" and "a bigot"
MisterRoger "a moron"
DigitalSin "idiot" and "chump"
mrastudent "a child" and "idiot" and "dumb"
Dravencove "a pathetic weasel"
diaphanein "a common thug"
chris_kabuki "a blind fool"
and that's the milder ones (since I'm not quoting your posts that got removed for personal attacks and profanity)
So yes, you are calling people names.
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LOL! Well, I'm not calling any of them "wh***s". ;-)
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btw, thanks for making my point for me.
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High Latency is clicking on crap and waiting a long a** time for it to come up, that's what "high latency" is. And Linux will remain that way until either computers are so fast that these delays are gone, or they put their drivers in kernel mode as well as X and just write their software well enough that it won't crash the system.
Windows2k/XP did it, and since Linux guys claim that Linux is more well written, they should do the same. At least make one distro like that, so it would be snappy enough to compete with Windows speed.
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"High Latency is clicking on crap and waiting a long a** time for it to come up, that's what "high latency" is. And Linux will remain that way until either computers are so fast that these delays are gone, or they put their drivers in kernel mode as well as X and just write their software well enough that it won't crash the system. "
Really, I don't have any "high latency" problems on any of my systems. Perhaps it's because I'm not an idiot? :-P
"Windows2k/XP did it, and since Linux guys claim that Linux is more well written, they should do the same. At least make one distro like that, so it would be snappy enough to compete with Windows speed. "
Again, My LNX desktop is much more responsive than my XP desktop, go figure.
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FYI, PII 400/320MB clicking galeon from a fresh boot: 3 seconds.. PIII 733/256MB running XP clicking IE from a fresh boot: 4 seconds.
I just don't get your "high latency" theory, perhaps it is because it's an outright lie?
Lets give you more..
LNX - AbiWord: 2 seconds
XP - Word: 2 seconds
LNX - Gnumeric: 1 second
XP - Excel: 1.5 seconds
LNX - Yahoo Messenger: 1 second
XP - Yahoo Messenger: 4 seconds
LNX - AIM: 1 second
XP - AIM: 3 seconds
Do tell kid, I'd like to know why I'm not having this problem. Perhaps you are referring to boot time? Linux takes what, 35-40 seconds to boot where XP takes 15? Whoopty..
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True. That's one you haven't used (you actually take affense to it when it's directed at you)
I just wanted to point out the actual answer to your question "Do you see me calling anyone names?"
The "innocent" act just looks real silly on you fewt.
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I never claimed to be innocent, I am simply stating the facts. I expect MRAStudent to be repramanded just as I was.
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I agree. He was out of line too.
Only difference (not that I think it makes it any better) is that he wasn't targeting a specific individual and calling that person names. He threw out a general category with an insulting name.
And just for the record, I'm as guilty (or more) than both of you of calling names. And as you have pointed out to me before, it was hypocritical of me to take offense when you called me names...when I was doing it too.
I was just returning the favor.
Wasn't trying to attack you, just making an observation along the lines of "People who live in glass houses shouldn't....well...walk around naked for one thing...probably shouldn't complain about their heating/cooling bills either....and..uh...did I have a point here?" ;-)
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grumble.. grumble.. putting grumble.. clothes.. grumble.. on.. grumble.. grumble..
haha!
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Well, IE opens pretty much instantaniously on my system. And it boots in about 15secs.
And it is very commonly known that Linux does have high latencies, not just something I pulled out of my ass.
You've had no failed dependencies my ass. Everytime I install a new version of Linux I get failed dependencies all over the place, don't give me that.
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You are pulling it completely out of your ass, if you set your system up correctly, and didn't leave it "default" you would not have any problems what so ever. The same can be said about "failed dependencies" I suggest you read up on either apt, or red-carpet because both of these tools make you look stupid. ;-)
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BTW, when you are testing from a clean boot IE does NOT open instantly on any system. Please try to have your facts in order before you post.
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*Cough* n00b setup on the XP box *cough*
Someone obviously didn't take the time to turn off some unnecessary stuff in XP
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Bulls***.. I know more about my XP box than you do about computers period, don't give me that crap. My XP boots into 60MB of ram, how about yours? Didn't think so.
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(Still trying to get THAT scary image out of my mind)
Now accepting donations for the "Buy window blinds for fewt's house" fund.
:P
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how about thick black tar to cover it all with?
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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Cover the house with? or cover fewt with?
Because if you're going to cover fewt with tar then I get to add the feathers. (and the liitle penguin logo)
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LOL!
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Haha that was a riot.
If you knew as much about Windows as me you wouldn't be using Linux.
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If you knew as much about Windows as I do, you wouldn't be using Windows. Don't try to be smart kid, you aren't very good at it.
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Something for you to drool over..
http://www.geocities.com...dl34dm4n/taskman_xp.bmp
Fully loaded production XP PRO desktop sitting on my desk in my office loaded with every service necessary to do my job. Little kids like yourself should just keep your mouth shut, you just make it way too easy to make you look like an idiot.
One would think you would have learned not to talk back to your elders after all this time. heh heh
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Have you ever used Linux before ? If so, I bet you where doing something stupid like running windows on like a p2-450, and then comparing linux speed on least say a 386. Yeah the p2 is going to be faster then the 386, no matter what OS your using. I want you to prove to use, you have infact used linux.
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Are you saying, You don't think its possible to run any form of windows on less then 60megs ? I've got NT workstation running on 24megs usage. Hell, I bet you don't even know how to disable the explorer interface.
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You're kidding right? I've gotten that down to ~46 after a boot.
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In my mind elder means someone who is both old and wiser that oneself. Congradulations, you are older than me.
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Haha Windows95 will run in far less than that much RAM :)
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LOL! Well William, when you get out of high school, and gain some real computer experience, come and talk to me.
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As can I if it weren't for the fact that I use tools that protect my computer from little punk kids like you. I also seem to have this odd need to have tools on my computer to manage computers, oh wait I'm an SA. What's your current title William? (LOL!)
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Yep, it'll run in 4MB on a 386DX if you install it, and tune it right. I'm sure a smart little person like you already knew that though. Lemme do the math.. I386's release was when, ~1988? That would have made you .. *3* ROTFLMFAO. Get a life kid.
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Little tip to add to his post CPUGuy, after you install the O/S disable some services, and do all of the same things you do to tweak Windows before you post lies about it. FYI, add this to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local if you are running IDE disks, and have UDMA/33 or better.
/sbin/hdparm -c3 -d1 -u1 /dev/hda
You should start seeing performance very similar to what I've posted. If not, feel free to IM me, it's time to get your facts straight. You have my IM, I'm sure of it. ;-)
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You do realize that when you properly set up a Windows box it IS NOT hackable, right. Of course you do, but that still leaves the quuestion: how do you "protect" a Windows machine from little "kids" like me when there is nothing to protect?
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Could do both, hehehe! >;)
James Wheat
http://belprecomputerwizard.com
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One could say you're the one without the life, sitting here and arguing with a "kid" with "no experience"
Seems to me you're the one that needs a life, not I
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Actually it says that I have a great life with lots of free time. That's a good thing considering my position in life. Had you actually been out on your own for even a week or two, you'd understand. LOL
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Kid, you need to just stop right there, turn your computer off and look for employment in the hamburger field. A CS major you will never be with that attitude.
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Actually, I don't have it....
But anyway, no, I'm running Linux on the same exact system as my XP install.... and I hate to tell you this, but I don't do much tweaking to my Windows box these days as it's pretty speed, now, back when I was running 98SE on a P133 and 32mb of RAM, I used to tweak the hell out of it, I just don't have the time to mess around too much anymore, sadly.
fubar, I've run Linux off and on since RedHat 5.1 (which was one shiity distro, actually, 5.2 was a lot better though).
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yes it does.
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3947763/ICQ || ph3W7/AIM
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s*** man, you guys posted like 50 things on whether *nix was better than M$...man you guys need to light a spliff and just chill to Mac System 6...shaded buttons? That was the s***...
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