Microsoft DRM - DMCA - Palladium and this..

And a cutesy little camera.. "WE SEE YOU!"

Microsoft will most likely change their slogan in 2005, from "Where do you want to be today?" to either
"We know where you live, and we'll be there soon", "Do you want to go to jail today? (if not - dont do anything we dont like)", "Which consumer fair use rights do you want to loose today?"

kool hey? that is actually the testing version, i designed it, too.....that is what a computer designer is like.....
roger mcfly
computer designer at dell

First glance, this is an integration of all communications tools. When you merge TV a telephone and a computer, you finally get George Jetson technology. Finally Microsoft has merged technologies to bring us a better home terminal to communicate with the outside. Now only if we could have Star Trek transporters!

Yea I know MS is a good target for comments that are not glowing as we have seen that they have done a few things shall we say not perfect with prior products however I prefer to wait until something more then a prototype (concept may not even be the final product for consumers. Remember what Win MW started out as and what the final release was not even close to it's concept(horrible I agree) I use that as an example on how products can and frequently do evolve adding or subtracting features as needed or budget allow3s. I have no idea how the product will perform and I shall withhold comments un til such time as I can test or read the final specs whenh available perhaps thats a wise choice lets hope it is a good design......

I think it looks pretty slick.

Gee, looks like a Mac. I wonder...can microsoft come up with their own ideas or are going rip-off Apple everytime they get a chance.

Gee, looks like a Mac. I wonder...can microsoft come up with their own ideas or are going rip-off Apple everytime they get a chance.

Gee, looks like a Mac. I wonder...can microsoft come up with their own ideas or are going rip-off Apple everytime they get a chance.

Gee...looks like another mac user that doesn't know how to use the Web and posts 3 duplicate comments...or is it the mac obsession with "WE MUST BE HEARD, SAY IT AGAIN!!".

Why is mac doing so poorly and MS so well then if mac "came up with it first"? Not because MS is brainwashing...I'm pretty sure people can think for themselves and buy what they need not what they're told to buy...it's because 80% of software people use don't work on macs...why pay twice the price of a PC for a mac that runs their own propietary software?

I like this new UPGRADED computer. I think we need to move ahead with the technology we have and work on bringing additional useful technology to our desktops. Again, this is a good step forward. Forget the mac/pc argument.It's as useless to debate as the linux/windows discussions, for how they relate to the future only time will tell. This hardware by MS and HP is NOW, and it's a great step forward.

probably the price will be like the high-end macs too..

very expensive.

Wow...Look mom...it's a Mac...The new MMac...by Microsoft

Except it runs all the windows software perfectly

the monitor looks like a refinement of the one they used for the HP Agora prototype (i suspect you could fit the Agora in perfectly at the bottom of the monitor stand).

as for the cube-like case...well, there is but so much you can do with a ultra-small form factor chassis. using the same logic, we should all argue that shuttle is ripping off apple as well.

that said, the apple cube looked much cooler than this. but for cubicle dwellers, who could use large screens and small boxes, i suspect this is a pretty reasonable solution.

curious, though: does the box have any drives at all? CD? floppy? doesn't look like it.

probably it does got CD drives.. (not floppy though, I haven't used a floppy for years now) you see those little USB(or IEEE maybe) things? maybe it got CD drives on the other side considering the thickness of the monitor

Don't be too sure. It requires longhorn which will be released in 2005 and will not be compatible with all Windows Apps. Forced obsolesence, remember this is MSFT. It will also be very very expensive.

tomshardware.com has a few negative things to say about longhorn in their winhec day 0 report.

Read Tom's article, and it wasn't negative, just said Microsoft should be doing more with the 3D interface.

The additional question from your post, why would Longhorn render applications incompatible? WindowsXP is the most compatible OS ever engineered, do you honestly think Microsoft is going to abandon this legacy of compatibility?

If you will hate everything Microsoft does, just say so, don't add FUD.

Geesh...

I'd prefer a rock solid, reliable INSTANT ON OS vs. a new PC...

although the above screen seems rendered to me (where is the VGA/DVI Cable from the box to the monitor ?, where are the IR Recievers for mouse/keyboard etc ??) the box does look nice indeed.

on Windows Longhorn & compatibility:

M$ will introduce the technology formerly known as TCPA/Palladium with Win Longhorn.

So most ppl have to do a upgrade with most of their programs to use Longhorn the way they used Win2k/XP before (just imagine this funny message box: "You need to have Office Longhorn to make use of feature XYZ"... or some "This feature works only with the new security enhanced Inet Explorer 7 "

M$ has found a way to soon force many enterprise customer to switch to Longhorn & Longhorn Office (Aka Office 11) when they bundle the new "security features" only when u have the new M$ Programs instead older versions as most ppl/enterprise admins do now.

If you get through some Usage charts you'll find most larger customers still using word2000 instead of XP...

2.nd thing.. XP beeing "most compatible" OS yet.. have you ever wondered why winXP couldn't use win2k drivers a long time and there are still many drivers for winXP missing...

my 2 C€nts

That is a pretty dumb 2 cents, I must say.

First, Palladium is not something you HAVE to use, it's completely voluntary, and it's not just DRM for software. Perhaps you should actually read what it is rather than drawing speculations based off of articles of people who draw speculations.

Palladium is not a way to force people to upgrade their Microsoft software.

Where the heck did you get 'Longhorn Offce' from? Office 11 (aka, Office System 2003) is due out later this year.

You will also find that the companies that actually extensively use Office have deployed OfficeXP out to the places where it would be helpful to have the main new feature, smart tags. While in other places theey have stayed with Office2000 simply because they didn't need OfficeXP in those areas.

XP could not use SOME Win2k drivers... in fact the only ones that come to mind are the Creative SB Live! Drivers. And no, I don't ever wonder about it, it's very simple, they changed the driver model slightly. No biggie... this has very little to do with compatability, other than the fact a few pieces of hardware were not supported out of the box (most were, however, more so than any other OS).

Sure it is nothing I HAVE to use. But you can be damn sure that M$ will implement some features in Office and some other software so you MUST run a TCPA/Palladium enabled OS. for example they could bind sending a word document via email only with enabled TCPA/Palladium, so your computer "is safe against spam" and stuff. or the much hyped Document Protection (no copy, no screenshots, no memDump etc) could be implemented that way so you have the choice on running a crippled version with many features missing. It's not the case that M$ is forcing you to install/enable TCPA/Palladium, but they'll just bind much needed features to TCPA enabled OS, which actually wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Longhorn Office was just an example. I'm sure that M$ will sooner or later release a office version which is Palladium only.

As another one (actual) example i could take the MediaPlayer 9.. a software limited to an OS now.

my infos were taken from www.antitcpa.org and linked pages, from the recent WinHEC articles and notes from M$ itself etc. (Gate's speach on the chinese market for example)

Office XP vs. 2k is (on my experience) also a problem of M$ License Policy. most companies don't switch to OfficeXP since they would then also have to switch to the new Licence Model 6, which is way too expensive for most companies.

My comment on the drivers was as an answer on the text above, where somebody said XP was the most compatible OS ever...

IMHO that still is Win2K, i had to wait half a year ! until HP released proper drivers for their ALL-in-one Office Jets.

Another hardware not (yet) working with XP are most of the cheap a** scanners sold by Medion in germany during the period of1996-2000.. i dunno if you're familiar with the german computer market.. but those ppl are now pissed since their half hardware isn't supported properly.

Old cheap printers don't work too etc.

So why did M$ then change anything if they didn't change that much to XP compared to 2k (some eyecandy, some more annoying install-wizzards etc).

Bill Gates, 98:
"As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours.
They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how
to collect sometime in the next decade."

http://news.com.com/2100...212942.html?legacy=cnet

today Steve Ballmer said:

http://www.microsoft.com...htsmanagement-print.asp

so here we go.. Gates said on WinHEC in an interview that they can just get rid of the illegal copied software by introducing TCPA/Palladium as a MUST USE, so M$ serverbased software-checking can block/disable copied software.

Therefore:

It's a Feature, you musn't use it. Same for weapons, they are not meant to kill, just to "protect" ;)

Funky

Yes, they can do that, Microsoft can also put loads of spyware into your system and monitor your every move, and Russia could launch a nuclear attack against the United States.

Does not mean it's going to happen.

But currently there doesn't appear to be any way to disable NGSCB, as it will be built into both a computer's hardware and its operating system. It's also possible that its protections would not work correctly or would prevent content from being viewed on non-NGSCB systems.

(taken from
http://www.wired.com/new...ss/0,1367,58748,00.html )

HeHeHe Don't say that...

It's been said time and time again that NGSCB will be voluntary.

Hmm, voluntary in that you can choose not to purchase the OS that includes it, or voluntary in that you will be able to disable it? I wonder.

from www.againsttcpa.org and intels website:

there are 2 ways of implementing TCPA/PAlladium/whateverit'snamed:

1.) before booting: you have the choice to boot into a safe, TCPA enabled OS, with certified kernel, certified drivers, certifed hardware. So it would be impossible to load unwanted/unauthorized hardware like vidgrabber cards or "fake drivers" like total recorder.

2.) on the other hand there will be the memory: 2 different memory spaces, one for noncertified, and one for certified applications, so no copy, no screenshots and similar.

So do you really M$ makes all of this to simply allow you safer chatting or doing small man's online banking ?

Do you really think that M$, Intel, AMD and all members of TCPA give so much money into research & production just for some businessmen to keep their emails unread by the press ??

no way. how can one be so naive that M$ just want's the ppl to feel a little more safe ?

M$ will start turing Palladium vs. the normal computer user as soon it is installed into all new computers (according to some laws in USA, i think DMCA, digital hardware has to have a DRM feature to be installed, some crazy senator even wants the analog hole to be fixed afaik).

my next 2 c€nts, hey a total amount of some 8 now :D

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Are you so naive as to think that a certain company wants to do nothing more than screw you over?

I'm sorry, but it's quite pathetic how you try and bash everything Microsoft does.

Micrsoft says Palladium is opt-in only, I will believe what they say until PROVEN otherwise. Conspiracy theories are not proof.

i don't think M$ or any1 in the comp. business wants to screw me over. the main goal of their behaviour is to gain control of DRM for all possible kind of media, documents, software and virtually anything one could claim as intelectual property.

Sure M$ doesn't do that just for themselves to gain total world domination, they are delivering large companies with tools to totally control their stuff, but doing this they sacrifice the fair use for normal computer users.

i don't bash M$ for beeing a world domination grabbing criminal mastermind, but the way they (and many other major software/hardware companies) change the use and creation of availlable public knowledge is quite alerting.

There was a funny comic in a larger german computer culture magazine: Einstein with a IBM s***, standing in front of a chalkboard with a part of his relativity formula.

e=mc

and saying: "The rest can be purchased online via micropayment, since we have the copyrights on it"

That's why I think any way of giving any major company really total control of all their digital data is quite dangerous for public knowledge and research. in combination with the DMCA any major can add some simple copy protection to it's stuff, so it is officially prohibited to bypass that protection.

there are already some university professors from europe who aren't allowed to travel to the USA, bec. they had proven in their research that some copy protections are breakable and therefore can be put to jail when entering USA.

Absolutely right funky .. keep on telling it like it is man ..